Kohberger + BTK: Serial Killer’s Daughter Speaks to Mindhunter Dr. Ann Burgess & Dr. Gary Brucato
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- Опубликовано: 7 фев 2025
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Welcome to a very special edition of Surviving The Survivor …we bring you the #BestGuests in all of True Crime…
And then there are days we out do ourselves and go a level higher.
This is one of them … introducing BTK's daughter ... Kerri Rawson.
Please know the conversation you’re about to hear comes against the backdrop of the recent arrest of Bryan Christopher Kohberger who police say is responsible for the gruesome quadruple homicide of the so called Idaho 4 …
Let us never forget those young lives lost way too soon: Madison Mogen, 21, Kaylee Goncalves, 21, Xana Kernodle, 20, and Ethan Chapin, 20.
WE WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT BRYAN KOHBERGER IS PRESUMED INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY IN A COURT OF LAW
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In 2005, Kerri Rawson heard a knock on the door of her apartment. When she opened it, an FBI agent informed her that her father had been arrested for murdering ten people, including two children.
It was then that she learned her father was the notorious serial killer known as BTK, a name he’d given himself that described the horrific way he committed his crimes: bind, torture, kill.
As news of his capture spread, Wichita celebrated the end of a thirty-one-year nightmare.
For Kerri Rawson, another was just beginning.
She was plunged into a black hole of horror and disbelief. The same man who had been a loving father, a devoted husband, church president, Boy Scout leader, and a public servant had been using their family as a cover for his heinous crimes since before she was born.
Everything she had believed about her life had been a lie.
Written with candor and extraordinary courage, A Serial Killer's Daughter is an unflinching exploration of life with one of America’s most infamous killers and an astonishing tale of personal and spiritual transformation.
For all who suffer from unhealed wounds or the crippling effects of violence, betrayal, and anger, Kerri Rawson’s story offers the hope of reclaiming sanity in the midst of madness, rebuilding a life in the shadow of death, and learning to forgive the unforgivable.
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The interview is moderated by Ann Wolbert Burgess an internationally recognized pioneer in the assessment and treatment of victims of trauma and abuse.
You know the super successful Netflix show Mindhunters about the FBIs first days of criminal profiling - she worked with the real-life agents the show is based on.
Dr. Burgess is author of A Killer by Design: Murderers, Mindhunters, and My Quest to Decipher the Criminal Mind.
Dr. Gary Brucato is the other moderator and is presently a Visiting Scholar at Boston College, where he collaborates with Drs. Ann W. Burgess and Victor Petreca on forensic research.
They have examined crimes, such as murder, including serial killing; sex offenses; mutilation and dismemberment; and the insanity defense.
Dr. Brucato is a member of Dr. Burgess’ Super Sleuths group, in which experts from diverse forensic disciplines convene to provide consultation on various cold cases.
He’s the co-author of The New Evil: Understanding the Emergence of Modern Violent Crime
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The first thing that blew me away is that Dr. Burgess is 86 years old! Unbelievable! Thank you Joel for having Kerri on your show. Not only is she intelligent and interesting to listen to, but in a way she's the teacher teaching the teachers.
I thought she was around my age…im 60!
She is 96? There is no way. Lovely woman.
@@kelcritcarroll I know! I Looked her up. I want whatever facial cream she’s using!
@@angelaconner3131 I couldn’t believe it either!
Sorry, made a mistake. Dr. Burgess is 86 not 96.
I was a victim of an attempted murder by my military husband November 4, 1989. He pushed me off a balcony at an Embassy Suites hotel in Kansas. I have PTSD, and will always have it.
I admire you so much for speaking about this. I found that when I tried to speak about it, people didn’t want to hear it. I’m finally in a good place that I’m writing a book about my experience.
Love your show.
Hello. Thank you for sharing that. I wish you the best with your journey and your book.
So glad you survived! How absolutely terrifying. Hugs to you, strong woman!
Please share. Our ears are open.
I’m so sorry for what happened to you.. I can’t even imagine what you have overcome.. thank you for sharing your experience and hopefully you can help others in their journey to healing from trauma ❤
Another deeply courageous woman.
Love & admiration from me, my dear.❤️
Kerri has given me a fuller understanding of the family members of a perpetrator, as well as the perpetrator himself. She is pulling back the proverbial curtain on this type of horrifically tragic deaths and educating the public in the process. I applaud her vulnerability and courage. Kerri's an incredible young woman❣️
Beautifully stated.
People want to blame the family by association, but just the smallest bit of empathy can reveal the horror they experience, not just the murder victims' families. Their belief in the goodness and love of their family member has been brutally ripped from them. The other families although losing their loved one, can forever belief in their innocence and beauty.
A&E has a series on RUclips with the children of serial killers really good give it a watch
I agree! Thank you for speaking out kerri. We thank you and i feel for what you have been through. God bless you.
T.y for expressing all that you did in your comment ...couldn't have been stated better❤
Dr. Ann B didnt speak much here, but when she did, she asked precisely THE RIGHT QUESTIONS. Wow. What a mind! We need to figure out how to help people who have gone through things Kerri has been through, and the only way to do that is through listening to them. Keep talking, Kerri! I know you dont see it-- heros are the last to know-- but you ARE a pioneering hero!
Couldn’t have said it any better
Yes, Mrs. Rawson, YOU ARE A HERO!
The moderator kept interrupting one of the leading figures on this issue to ask a viewer question. WOW. How does that make any sense?
This channel is excellent! Kerri is a priceless gem to have as a guest, revealing that forgiveness is necessary. Dr. Burgess & Dr Brucato are super guests with great empathy to fuel this difficult discussion in a positive way.
Zen, that was so well said. My thoughts exactly. 🩷
@Zen Amen That was my thoughts exactly!!? Beautifully Written!
It really is, I was going to post the same thing
I find the host and guests extremely compassionate, insightful and interesting. Love that he starts each show about this by naming the victims and reminding us about their precious lives lost.
@@BasedTexans Love your Kitty!
I read Kerri’s book and I have wished that I could tell her that I wish I could be her friend. It breaks my heart that she has had to endure the trauma of knowing her father is BTK. Thank you for giving her a voice on your channel. I can feel the hurt in her voice. She is also a victim of her father’s crimes, as her mother and brother are. I pray that healing will continue in their hearts and lives.
Yet she still loves the monster she even said on a podcast recently she was a victim of abuse, what an insult to the real victim's the victim's who were abused, tortured and killed by the monster, by her own testimony he was a great father to her.
@@sugarsundae3400 You obviously have not read her book and don’t understand forgiveness. She is a Christian and she knows that if she doesn’t forgive, she can’t be forgiven. It’s complicated because before this, all her life he was just Dad. Now she has to learn how to compartmentalize her relationship with her Dad, and the person of BTK. She has quit having any kind of relationship with him.
She loves the father she knew before she found out what he was , imagine finding out the father you thought you knew was a monster . It’s not her fault she is his victim too .
When the FBI comes to the door to tell you your Dad is a serial killer, there should be an experienced psychologist/trauma expert there right next to the FBI agent, on the spot. That person should be responsible for keeping in touch with the family and provide services and recommendations for as long as the family needs or wants it. That need really came through in Kerris story.
In the UK we have Family Liaison Officers. They are not psychologists but they are there to support the family, to liaise as necessary and to keep the family in the loop as much as it's possible/ appropriate
My heart aches for her, but I also sincerely wish that she realises how inspiring she is. Most of us are surviving some sort of trauma and her bravery is giving hope to so many of us.
Kerri's input is so valuable. Bit short sighted of the cop who said her whole life was a lie. Her experiences with her father were real and their relationship from her perspective was real. So much can be learned from Kerri speaking up. Thanks Kerri!
This is literally one of the best interviews I have ever seen. Kerri is an amazing person and the compassion shown to her by everyone on panel was extremely heartwarming. So many terrific questions and points made. What a great idea to include Kerri as a partner in future work with Dr Garry and Dr Burgess as she has so much to offer and a huge asset. Prayers to all families. 🕊️
PLEASE give her our thanks. Kerri is an incredible woman who is helping others understand trauma and heal. Thank you! - O. in Northern California
Agree,what a brave woman👏❤️👏God bless her❤️❤️
I'm only minutes in and am already so impressed.
Joel, ur killin it bro
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What an extraordinary, honest, powerful person she is. It's so unfair that her father burdened his own daughter with the life she's had to live. So much respect for her.
I also admire her a very kind sweet person who through no fault of her own has the burden of what her father did.
She’s great at speaking and she knows the truth of it and doesn’t make excuses. She is an amazing person! Breaks my heart for her that people were so cruel when she is A victim & innocent in this. I can’t imagine what she endures everyday. Bless her!
@@isabella6206 Kerri described herself as a abuse victim on a podcast recently, she's not a victim she was never abused by her own testimony he was a great father to her, it's a insult to the real victim's the victim's who were abused, tortured and murdered by the monster. Oh and she isn't giving a penny of the profits from her book to the victim's family's.
@@caseymead8368 explain how she's a victim ? Where's the sympathy for the real victim's, think about what thier families indure everyday think of that little 10yr boy who came home from school to find both his parents and 9yr old brother and 11yr old sister torchered, murdered and abused at the hands of her father for his own sadistic,sexaual needs, throughout this whole thread no one's given them a thought.
@@sugarsundae3400 She, her mother, and brother are all victims of his as well. If you can’t understand that, I don’t know what to tell you. It’s not a difficult or abstract concept except for someone with no empathy 🤷♀️
Hearing Kerri describe the incident with the table breaking is exactly how I describe my father’s temper. The darkness of the eyes is spot on. In my childhood we all knew that the rage was coming because he literally looked like a different person. We always said “he’s getting ready to go into one,” and typically it was a few days after the exploding rage would happen. It was almost worse in the days before because we were terrified of being the target. Then afterwards he would act like nothing happened. So disturbing and impossible for me to explain to anyone who has never been in a family like that.
My dad's eyes literally changed colors. If his eyes turned a sickly yellow or black (normally had brown eyes), look out, all hell was about to break loose. In the last about 7 years of my life under his roof (from age 11 to 18), we lived in literal hell every single day. I'm not kidding. His rage was so unleashed that one or the other of us was the target of extreme violence every day. It got so bad that when I was 15 and my little sister was 7, she tried to kill herself by slitting her own wrists. At age 7. She probably would have succeeded but stupid me took the razor blade away from her. I have felt guilty about that my whole life. It's just that I loved her and didn't want to lose her, and that was the most selfish thing I've ever done in my life. I think she would have been happier to be in Heaven instead of here on Earth. Sigh.
@matthewsbrrful This is terrible and no one deserves this. Hopefully with therapy you can both move past the hurt. This kind of stuff traumatizes kids and makes adulthood very challenging. God bless and hang in there.
@@Radmxray yeah, I went to therapy for a few years, and every once in a while, I touch base with a therapist if I feel like old wounds are dredging up again. I wanted a better life, different direction for myself, so I have worked hard to become a better person than him. My sister and I are doing well these days. Both of us are single with decent careers. We still visit each other, talk on the phone, share ups and downs, go out together (dinner, movies, outings, etc). She also went to therapy and both of us have come far. But you're right about one thing, those memories and experiences definitely impacted our lives, for our whole life. We will never truly "get over it," and there will always be that dull and distant, ominous thunder in the bellies of our souls, but for the most part, we've reached the sunshine, and breathe fresh air. We are also each other's support system if we start to slide back into despair. We're good now.
This makes complete sense, this cycle of abuse, the cooling off period then the growing rage. When I was physically abused, the abusers eyes would turn black (it's the only way I can describe it) and then it began. Very interesting to me that I'm not the only person who sees that too.
God Bless you, young lady. I DATED the nephew of the man who murdered my husband, unbeknownst to us. I got an insight to his uncle's mental illness and ot helped me SO much. That is your purpose. You are an angel. You have helped me cry, something I haven't been able to do as I had to be strong for our girls. You've saved MY life! Keep up your vital work, Carrie!!!
Kerri was so powerful to me! I could feel her pain and struggle. I think we all should be grateful that she’s trying to be so strong and help other while dealing with her own trauma. I’m baffle when I hear that people want to attack her. Thank you Kerri for telling us your side as a survivor of your father bad deeds. I can tell she really cared about the people lived her dad took away!
Is it amazing how Kerri Rawson has turned an unspeakably horrible event at great cost to herself to good for other “co-victims” of psychopaths?
I think Kerri is making such a difference and it will continue exponentially!! She is balancing the scales against serial killers effects. Kinda taking the steam off of their infamy. She’s gifted, honest, and definitely helping the world. I’m sure she is an amazing mom, daughter, sister, wife and friend. Her emotional intelligence is off the charts. Hugs to her mama who must also be a tremendous empath. Prayers and love. ❤
Obsessed with this show. I wait every morning to see a new show posted. Such amazing guests, topics, and Joel is a class act!
Thanks, Lindsay. This interview gets very, very profound as it progresses.
Agree 😁
Me too.... I am home alot nowadays and find that in old age there is still so much to learn
Couldn't agree more. The best thing on RUclips, or even the BIG News and current events channels
@@catherinecrow5662 absolutely
As an abuse survivor Kerri, may your light continue to shine into the dark corners. You inspire, motivate and impart hope. Thank you.
Your vulnerability is absolutely astounding, Kerri. You will always remain a light in my heart. Thank, YOU! ❤
I agree. As a survivor of different trauma I remember making a choice to stay true to my vulnerability rather than change who I am. But definitely with a new sense of self, stronger in knowledge than I was before. I’ve had to do my own therapy with books and podcasts and continue to as I keep myself functional and healthy and helpful to others.
Intense, she has his eyebrows. BTK was a Boy Scout leader, President of the Church and family man. Shows how hard it would be to catch the seemingly normal people that are SK's. Zodiac killer, who was never caught, was definitely someone like this, Police officer or high standing in society, Creepy.
Kerri’s sarcastic “thanks, dad!” makes me laugh every time, sometimes humor is the only way to deal with things
Thank-you to Kerri for speaking out. We appreciate you
Thank you Kerri, we appreciate you and never stay silent. Evil festers in the dark so keep speaking up.
I’ve had 2 sadistic men in my life who enjoyed seeing my pain. One tried to strangle & beat me and I still struggle to heal from that trauma so I can’t even imagine how you get through, I think you are amazingly resilient and brave. I still hope for my abuser to find some humanity but deep down I know he will hurt someone else and I can’t stop it, I had him convicted just so it’s on record but it won’t stop him. I struggle with knowing that.
I wish for you to find peace ❤ so much love, empathy, compassion & learning on this podcast. The holes may never heal but you can make it through because you are such a beautiful person. So grateful.
You’re here for a reason Kerri ❤️
Can only say a heartfelt thank you to Kerri . .. . She is making a difference I think..... insightful to say the least .... thank you Kerri
This was a grand slam for me ! I am very impressed how the host sat back and let it flow. Kerri is a warrior and a teacher. The panel had me hanging on their questions and her answer. Her side stories were similar to how I grew up. Gave me chills when she talked about the table and manicotti on the floor. My father got so unhinged over something little he took pushed my brother against the wall and slid his body up that wall with his hand under his neck. He was maybe 10. Then made my sister and I watch him and spanked with his pants pulled down until his butt was sun burn red. He slap my sister in the face for not wanting to eat a slice of bologna b/c it had skin on it. He was Irish 6ft tall and miserable. If I did not address him the right way he punched me in the arm. The mail had to be in the right place . He rationed few pieces tiolet paper to my mom , sister and me. I hated when he got home from work. Miserable! We managed to deal with him with humor between my siblings. I have so many anxieties to this day. Your never normal b/c you don't know what normal is. You just know your different. It was all about him!
This channel knocks it out the park every time, you certainly do outdo yourself. Thank you for remembering those young lives
Kerri, you talking about this and chronic PTSD is pretty powerful. As someone who is very familiar with Complex PTSD and the shock of life altering moments where you discover who the people you knew your whole life are actually very different than you could ever imagine, it takes a lot to talk about this. Such a personal thing!
Thank you Kerri. As a survivor of childhood SA, I was diagnosed with CPTSD. The only therapy that finally helped was EMDR. I commend you for your bravery and please do not stop the work you’re doing 🙏🏻
You are your own soul. Your own beautiful person and you are very empathetic and I wish you well Kerri. 🥰
Thank you Kerri for coming on this show! It must be very hard dealing with having a Father that’s become a notorious Murderer.Your suggestion to get therapy has probably helped so many family members of criminals.
Sorry I had hit the wrong button, but did hit like! That’s great you had EMDR, my close friend is a therapist that uses this therapy. I can’t remember all she has told me about it , but she sees many people in the military get relief from their traumatic experiences . She works at a Naval Hospital . EMDR is somewhat new, right ?
@@susanhawkins7435 , yes, stumbled upon in the early 90s. It's a fascinating story. We have EMDR because one woman was thoughtful enough not to dismiss something she didn't understand.
I had EMDR too for finding my friend dead by 5uicide. It helped a lot. I had it done a few times over the years.
This should make everyone understand that family of perpetrators are victims as well. She is turning her mess into a message ! Praying for her and her strength to continue to be a light shining thru the darkness!
Thank you so much to Ms. Rawson for her willingness to come on and open up about her father. I want to buy her book and read it. I am so very sorry for all she has had to go through and continues to experience. She will be in my thoughts and prayers. One of my professors years ago told us that we could write to BTK and he would likely write back. I was fascinated with the criminal mind and considered it. I am really glad I didn’t! Thank you for having a such powerful guests. Blessings!
I've read it, you will be surprised at how her father was able to be the loving, doting father (he cried when he gave her away at her wedding) then turn around and murder 10 innocent people including children, she did an excellent job writing her story.
@@justelleslife507 Thank you for the review. Can’t wait to get her book.
Kerri, I'm moved to tears by your courage and intelligence. Your love for your father is so natural and should never be confused with anything other than a daughter loving her father. I'm sure you have so many wonderful memories with him, and you have every right to love the man who provided that for you. You are teaching us so much. I'm heartbroken for your struggle. You are a beautiful, intelligent, compassionate woman. Please take care of yourself, and when you're able, continue to share your incredible story. You are a blessing to us all. And, your father gave you to us. Much love to you ❤️!
Very nicely said. 😥
Kerrie is an emotional woman for me to listen to.
Her courage to voice her feelings for her dad is so inspirational to me having lost my own mom to suicide. I can relate to some of her feelings in my own story.
I guess loving our parents regardless of their shortcomings....with appropriate healing. ( I def do not undermine feelings of all victims and families in saying this💜)
It's as well as.
There are many feelings and perspectives unexplored till now with victims and perpetrators. So greatful for Kerries clear and compassionate voice.🩵💚🩵
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Right. I have good memories of my abusive mother and ex. Those good days are not theirs to take. That would be even worse.
Kerri, I’m so very sorry for your pain! I cannot imagine what you have been through! As a victim myself, I can identify with so many of the points you vocalized! It literally brought up emotions! 35 years ago my mother shot and killed my father, while he was in bed with another woman. Thank the Lord she was spared! I wouldn’t have been able to handle the life taken from another family. I had to call the police on her. That day though, I lost both my mother and father. It has changed me in so many ways. My mother still lives and is incarcerated ( she has never taken responsibility for the murder of my father). She actually was scheduled to be released last fall, which surprisingly gave me immediate anxiety, because she wanted to stay with me, ( she thinks that she can be around firearms, won’t have a parole officer (she was given life, even though she thinks she’s done her time), can tell me what I need to do for her…). Recently, I just realized what a definition of a narcissist is and had an AHA moment, which freaked me out! This pushed me to finally put myself on the victim’s list…after 35 years! This spun me into another grieving process, because I was cutting her off, I realized who she had always been and I grieved for what relationship we could of had and the good times. I loved and love her still. Like you said, “ I can’t cut that emotion off.” I had always made excuses for her behavior growing up or I passed it off as hormones. Anyhow, due to her narcissistic controlling behavior she messed up her release and will be in there for another 2 years at minimum. She is 80. I understand the stalking and using others to get ahold of me to guilt me into talking to her, to visit her or to do her bidding, blaming me for not showing up at parole hearings, that she thought she would of been released sooner if I did. (I actually did attend one hearing in her support, but it was so traumatic for me I didn’t want to attend another. ) She would have 3 way conversations with me, without my knowledge and the other person would tape it so she could use any info against me later. The list goes on! I understand being the last to let go…I have 3 other siblings, who cut her off immediately and went to other states. I’m the oldest, the nurturer and she knows that and I stayed in the same town. I’m sorry this is so scattered. Forgiveness is very important… for my mental healing! I just wanted to say thank you for your transparency! I hope your life continues to heal!
Your mom stole many years of your life. I hope you will find peace and perhaps can find comfort with your siblings now that your mom is out of your life. Maybe writing your story will help both yourself and others ... in time, when you're ready. Thanks for sharing and best wishes.
Thanks for sharing your story, it resonated deeply with me. Going the no contact is hard, but I agree once forgiving happens, the letting go comes. Hang in there girl, you are not alone. It was so nice to hear someone else say that they didn’t see themselves on the victims list for decades too. So thank you for giving me that moment, it’s rare that someone else understands what that’s like. I appreciate you sharing, and I’m sending so much love & good juju your way ♥️
I didn't realize it either. I just left the minute that I could and moved far away. Far enough away that she couldn't get in her car and come to my house whenever she felt the need to torture me. My life is peaceful.
Being the eldest but specifically the eldest daughter brings its own set of expectations and sometimes burden
Kerri articulates her story so well. Dr. 86, unbelievable. Dr. Burgess is a walking encyclopedia. Thank you. Survivor. This video discussion is so informative.
Fascinating show this morning! My heart goes out to this courageous woman facing her father's evil head on. ❤️
This helps us all remember that human beings are complicated. No one is all good or all bad. Even serial killers can be regular people at times. Regular fathers with issues of control, and or narcissism, but also, protective, dutiful, and able to make his daughter feel special at times.
I love how grounded, intelligent, frank and logical Kerri is, she is surely the good that has come from such evil.. It must be so hard for her, she remembers a good father and that was her reality, but she also knows who her father really is.. God bless her and her family. 🙏
She is all those things. Finally, she’s not alone anymore.
Kerri is truly a beautiful soul. ❤
how easily you succumb to a psychopath
@@lilylabelle5499 yeah no kidding. They look for the weakness in people. God will have The final say.
True. Unlike the latest Murdaugh murder where the son Buster denies the evil of his father.
I think Ann and Gary are important to criminology because they actually care about the victims. They don't mythologize the killer or try to build them up. So it's not exploitive. They truly just want to learn from these killers so future victims are prevented.
This was the best interview I've ever seen. It was compassionate and informative. Kerri is so brave and is helping future generations with her work.
Perhaps Kerri can work with Gary and Ann in the future as they are in this for the right reasons. Often the media and crime experts lean too much into sensationalism. But that isn't the case with them or this show.
I truly learned so much from this discussion and will think twice before judging the family of a killer. It's made me realize how much they are victims too and little support we give them. This absolutely needs to change.
This comment was a wonderful one. You totally grasp the entire reason Ann and I do any of this.
I too grew up with a family member who was a sociopath. The struggle to stay sane and live life at all is an uphill climb everyday. I so appreciate this young woman sharing with us. My hope is one day we will find a way to prevent the damage caused by these people by identifying them early and containing their effect on our society.
They should interview the siblings more they know more than the parents .I had two totally different brothers they were the same basic personalities when they grew up my mother was clueless......
God Bless you.
Kerri’s dad is a psychopath
@@kathybishop6623sounds like my sociopathic brother. Only problem is my narcissistic mother babies him and enabled his violence, even sexual torture and abuse to me and my all my siblings, except one idk if he was abused or not. He tortured animals including killing my sisters bunny with his bare hands. I could go on, but you get my point. My brother is/was so manipulative. He should be in prison right now.
Thank you for letting her speak despite the pressure of live show and all. I am sensing that it was therapeutic for her to speak and be heard. I hope that she realizes how much of a gift it was for listeners to have her on a show. Our host, Dr Gary and Dr Ann were all rock stars as usual ❤
What a great interview, Joel. Great panel as always! Thank you to Ann and Gary with a special thanks to Kerri for allowing us to hear her personal stories. Fascinating. 💯
Kerri, YOU ARE MAKING A DIFFERENCE! But you were never your father’s keeper! You are not responsible for his horrible actions, and you do NOT OWE for his sins! However, I do feel your projection of needing to do something to make this better, and by golly you’re doing it. Thank you for this. Thank you for becoming a beautiful, caring, tortured & MEASURED woman. I admire your grit, your calmness (in what must be a cyclone of emotions), and your generosity. May you & your family have peace. 🥰
This was amazing. You rarely get the chance to hear a victim talk so openly without someone trying to control the narrative. Very good work, guys. This was more like being in a therapy session than a true crime show. Bless you Kerri and all the victims who struggle to go on through no fault of their own.
Joel, You've knocked it out of the ballpark and I just have no words, what an amazing interview. And thanks so much for Kerri sharing her story. She is so strong and I believe will help so many people by sharing her story.
She is so strong 💪 and so smart! She is amazing with how she is dealing! I love that she is so aware
Kerri's observations are so intelligent and what struck me was her comment of post WWII parenting and people who may have survived a war. My father barely survived WWII as a young 16 year old Austrian boy and I am just figuring out my childhood and I am 58.
My heart goes out to her every time she wells up, even after all this time, when she talks about her father.
Kerri, your humanity is astonishing. People with great suffering have a megaphone with which to address the world. You are using it well. Bless you 💕🌹
She is so eloquent and insightful. And very, very brave.
Dr Ricardo is such a kind man. Such empathy toward Kerri.
Thank you, I appreciate the kind words.
I'm in tears right along with Kerri. My God I just want to hug her. Keep doing this good work. Please don't stop speaking. I have found this to be the most educational podcast. Kerri you are a beautiful soul & don't let anyone dull your shine. F them !!
Wow I’ve never thought of the all the trauma and logistics of how this would effect the rest of the family and the ripples for generations
This panel is incredible. Love the analysis from Dr. Anne and Dr. Gary.
I have watched a ton of true crime interviews and videos and this hands down is the best. Wow. Thank you very much.
I am so glad there is discussion on how victims of murder include the murderer's family. I am still ashamed that my brother was involved in armed robbery. Although no one was killed, I feel the terror the robbery victim went through.
Thank you Kerri, I am a strong believer that beauty comes of all things, your story is a profound example of how darkness can turn to light. I want you to know how powerful you are, humanity will learn from your experience. I wish you enduring strength and courage. 🙏💕
Kerri is great and such a huge asset to the research, prevention and support needed. Thank you Kerri.
Gary Brucato is becoming a Rockstar! Always fascinating.
Kerri is such a beautiful soul. If BTK could have created something noble and compassionate, that is Kerri.
The strength that Kerri has, is just mindblowing. She's endured so much, and I admire her bravery. God bless her!
This is one of the best interviews I have ever seen. I have nothing but love and admiration for Kerri. She does an incredible job of describing trauma that most people cannot express or even begin to understand. Lots of respect for Dr. Burgess and Dr Brucato, as well, who delicately helped her discuss such a difficult topic with grace and gentleness. We NEED to know these things, but dang, they're hard and dirty and messy and uncomfortable to talk about. I'm all for pushing through the uncomfortable and I'm encouraged that there ARE people who are talking about these things and not just leaving them to fester in the darkness. Depravity loves darkness. Thank you, Kerri, for sharing your pain with us. You are an amazing human!
The strength and insight of this woman…lord, it is indescribable. I am awestruck, Kerri. May you find peace in your journey helping others. Bless you.
Kerri’s father committed such heinous murders, but this in no way detracts from the beautiful and amazing person she is. This was fascinating and I’m thankful she spoke about the complex impact her fathers crimes had and still have on her. I hope she finds long- lasting inner peace ❤
I’m proud of you for speaking. I hope it’s therapeutic. I know it helps other family members of men who commit such heinous crimes. There is such a void of families speaking out and I hope this helps stop the stigma attached to them. I’m so tired of the general public blaming the parents and loved ones for not knowing ahead of time this could happen.
Her self awareness, empathy and insight is awe inspiring
Wow! This was an amazing episode..all 3 guests were articulate and fascinating, but Kerry, oh my gosh, you are simply a gem. I wish you all good things. You have taken an horrific life experience and turned it on its head. Thank you♥️
Very informative. Kerri’s willingness to be open with the trauma she is daily dealing with will be like medicine on someone else’s broken life.
Thank you for bringing us this excellent episode. Kerri is just so strong and brave. and the discussion facilitated by Dr Burgess and Dr Brucato was brilliant. Thank you all again.
This was the most profound true crime discussion I have heard for quite some time…and I devote a great deal of time examining the topic.
It wasn't our interviewing that made it so-- It was Kerri's amazing honesty and insight.
Kerri is of incredible strength. ❤ cannot imagine the deep trauma and identity crisis she experiences still.
I wish we could all take Kerri's pain away. I remember my mom telling me that my dad cheated on her and how devastating (and inappropriate that was). He was a good dad too.
Good morning, Miss Kerri. Thank you for being here. 💛
Absolutely one of the most powerful and impactful conversations I’ve witnessed.
One takeaway for me was Post WW2 Trauma so many came home with. This had a ripple effect in families and our society that, potentially has never stopped. It’s generational and is why we should avoid War as humans at all costs. A War is the initial physical act, the psychological war that ensues manifests for generations.
Also, in addition to Kerri, I want to acknowledge Joel, Ann Burgess, and Gary Brucato. It was both moving and intellectually satisfying to listen to your insights and the sensitivity and respect you all brought to the interaction.
Wow, wow, wow, Joel! Every true crime fan should listen to this session and gain some empathy and insight. Something meaningful unfolded before us in this session!! Thank you for facilitating this conversation.
kerri- you are not responsible for your father's crimes!!! thankyou for sharing just a little of what u have gone through and opening us up to be more compassionate not only to the victim's families but to the suspect/ killer's families and how much they go through when their loved one kills others!!! u r extraordinary with a huge purpose here on earth! ❣❣❣
Thank you Kerri, for opening up and for teaching us about something that is so difficult to talk about. The world is a better place because of you.
Kerri is an incredible woman..... This was riveting
I cannot imagine how she feels it must be a daily struggle, I'm thankful for you and channel holders like you for giving Kerri a place to feel safe
Excellent job 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽🙏🏽
The end of this video had me in tears. God bless this brave girl.
It was very powerful to interview her.
@@drgaryb13 Gary, is there a place that we can support your work? Like a website or Patreon or something? ❤
Save your tears for the real victim's who actually deserve your sympathy FFS.
Oh my goodness, Dr. Anne and Gary I've been following you on other channels and you're amazing and offering so much education - thank you. But Kerri, thank you so much. On a smaller scale I relate to your experience and am so thankful for someone like you speaking out -- you really are making a difference and you're an inspirational role model. 😘 Thank you all.
I'll stop commenting so much after this thought. Thank you Joel for putting together such a powerful group of people here. This has been one of the most moving, tear-jerking and powerful videos I've ever seen and I see them all.
Thank you, Kerri Rawson. You're a blessing to more people than you know. No one would blame you for not sharing your story but thank God you are. You're bringing light to dark places & facilitating understanding where it is needed.
Kerri, I lived in western Kansas when serial killer, Donald Nemechek, murdered 5 people, including one of whom was from my neighborhood, Carla Baker. We were terrified. I then lived in Wichita in '04. It was absolutely terrifying. I didn't realize I had PTSD until then. You are not to blame. You are just as much a victim as the others. I don't blame you for any terror I felt. God bless you in your journey of healing. You have a beautiful soul.
Oh my what a show! I feel so privileged to hear Kerri's story. Thank you to everyone on the panel, your all stars ❤️⭐
God Bless Kerri Rawson. Kerri, you are doing a great service to humanity. God love you.
Kerri deserves a wonderful life for her and her children . She deserves some peace from the pain caused by her father .
The victim's deserved a wonderful life too....
The victim's deserved to have a wonderful life where's your thoughts for them ? Her mother was a control freak and Rader took his anger and frustration out on the innocent victims.
@@sugarsundae3400I'm sure she has thoughts for the victims too. Kerri was oblivious to the fact that her dad was a psycho killer. Now she has to live with that knowledge and being the offspring of such a despicable, disgusting person. I can't imagine. So people feel bad for her too as they should. He used his family as a cover to appear normal. He used them. She's been traumatized by all of this. The victims families deserve peace and prayers, but so does the family of that monster.
Kerri, I remember when your father was arrested. I’ve often thought about you over the years, and how your doing. Thank you for sharing your story. So sorry for all your pain. Continue to take care of yourself, God Bless You❤️🙏🏼❤️
So glad that these doctors have reached out in such a genuine and heartfelt way to support and befriend Kerri. She needs people in her life that understand the horror that she has lived. Joel, you were fabulous as well. Kerri, you travelled down such a difficult path but your healing powers are remarkable and your capacity for love is ginormous. This is your light, your gift and your strength. Thank you Kerri.
I'm so glad that you speak out. Your life is seperate from your fathers and you have a very powerful voice that I could listen to all day. Thank you!
All 4 today, have such big, caring hearts!! Such wisdom, non-judgment & insight into human behavior & needs. Ty for this educational, emotional & professional discussion.
Crying my eyes out for your pain Kerri. You are so brave. Love to you and your family. ❤
Kerri is a very brave, bright young woman. I believe she has much to offer the world with her experience with trauma, and now through her recovery. I am going to order her book now!
In all the interviews I've seen with Kerri, she is absolutely honest and open. A very strong woman that has found her way to a great life beyond what has passed. Talking about things is one of the best ways of healing. The pain and confusion are still present 30 years later, but she is THRIVING, not just surviving. She's turning her experience into something GOOD.
This interview was so helpful to hear for so many reasons. Thank you to this lady for sharing so many details - I deeply appreciate it.
Kerri thank you for sharing with us. You are so brave and such a beautiful person. I support you in your recovery. Incredible insight today from you and the whole panel!
So powerful! Kerri, you are a bright , insightful and very articulate woman. Thank You so much for sharing your life with us.
Kerri Rawson, I have so much respect and love for u . You are truly amazing . Your personal insight is stunning and brilliant .. I wish you and the families of the 4 univ students, as well as Brians Family some healing . I cant even imagine how hard this is for all of you. I hope the Kohberger family gets help now.
Such a fascinating and riveting episode. Well done STS for another amazing episode with amazing guests and Joel for the excellently skilful and compassionate moderation🙏
Dear Kerri, thank you for allowing us to listen to you. You're a sweet girl. Thank you ☺️
Thank you for having Kerri on. She has dealt with a lot and so well. She is so insightful and well spoken. Thank you Kerri. May your life get easier each day. Peace and hugs.
Kerri is a blessing as well as this cast! Thanks again!!
This is one of the most profound panel interviews I've ever watched. I am incredibly awed Kerri and want only the best for her and her family. Thank you.