Playing Wagner's Piano from 1855! | Tiffany Vlogs #39
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- Опубликовано: 18 дек 2024
- Ever wondered how a piano from 1855 sounds like? Special thanks to Richard Wagner Museum in Luzern for letting me play on Wagner's piano! Do you like Liszt Liebestraum No.3 on this Erard piano? Compare with this recording on a modern piano: • Tiffany Poon (2018) - ...
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My Piano teacher was a WWII vet. At some point he got into Wagner’s house and played his piano during the war. There is a photograph too.
Cool!
amazing :D
Tony that is totally cool....
man that is like so incredible to imagine, a soldier stopping by to play the piano man that’s like some next level shit
your piano teacher just said “I will serenade you” to the enemy 😎
That lucky receptionist sure got a wonderful mini concert.
I know, and NO ONE ELSE WAS THERE!!!!!
Yess!!
I mean, I’m sure she gets plenty of private concerts, she works at the Wagner museum
I’m sure she has fun to play this instrument herself sometimes 😅
The thing is: This is actually how the great composers intended their pieces to sound. This is THE sound Liszt heard when he performed that piece.
No Liszt was in the romantic era and the modern piano as we know it today had been invented then
@skularatna8136 at the end of his life yeah, but he was born in 1811, the piano he grew up playing would have still had leather hammers and been entirely wood framed.
a piano that was actually touched, played on, used to compose masterpieces, by one of the greatest composers ever? this made my day.
Gee, you must not have had much going on that day lol
@@prometheusrex1 , bad day that day....real bad day.
Puertecitos68 and Liszt who is probably the greatest pianist who ever lived, would have played that piano as well (being the father-in-law of Wagner).
@@donna25871 , i'll be darned. love Liszt . i didnt know that. since Liszt was good friends with my favorite composer (Chopin) maybe Chopin played that piano as well? interesting.
@@puertecitos6888 nope. Chopin didn't visit Switzerland that much and definitely not at the time that wagner was turning into a composer.
Surely the older piano does not sound as bright as the modern day grand pianos, but the mellow sound really gives the music a different character!! Especially the bass line is singing out sooo much more and the top voices are more gentle even at the really intense part when it's normally very dead loud and sharp. must be fun trying on an artifact haha
KMPZ I lived in London and I tell you as an American I was so happy to get back and kiss the ground here. There really isn’t hatred for Americans like it seemed Brits have for the French, but there’s a real lack of freedom. It’s an odd feeling. Could’ve just been my experience, I could be totally wrong. I also can’t think of a more diverse country than the USA, actually more than ever!
@Epic Rant Guy no you
I agree..when one hears the piano of Tchiakovsky, for example, the listening experience is similar..I happen to love it
@@MadMinstrel I personally know that. .beside this the tambre is different
keep in mind that this is not at all how the piano sounded in it's day
The mellow sound of the piano is so beautiful. It's almost I can almost hear it saying thank you for it has not been played in decades.
Lol ok.
Yeah, I get that feeling too
I don't get why modern grand piano's have such heavy key touch compared to these older versions.. It makes it so much easier to play, I totally agree. You could actually play those fast ass Liszt and Alkan pieces on this nicely
They depend on the size and how the manufacturer makes the hammers feel the way they wanted. Usually longer grand pianos like the Steinway D require heavier force whereas shorter grand pianos don't require as much force. You can easily hit triple "F" on a baby grand whereas on a concert grand you may have to exert more force.
Though I may be wrong on all of this. These are just from my experience on playing different pianos from a hotel's upright to getting a chance to play on a Steinway D.
alkan ftw
Almost 200 years ago, people were quite shorter and had smaller hands than today. Pianists with small hands love the old pianos:)
@@andream.464 tell that to Liszt, why the fuck was he not like anyone else from 200 years ago. The gap in his pieces are just %¨*£
Ikr
🥰🥰🥰 Tiffany, you are very charming. Your talking is mesmerizing me. Thank you very much. Keep going strong ! 🥰🥰🥰
My mother was a classical piano student and teacher all her life, she passed away in March this year, listening to you play so beautifully reminds me how much i miss hearing my mother play. Thank you.
Very late of a reply but, I am sorry about to hear about that
This is one of the best (if not the best) Liebestraum I've ever heard. The piece fits that piano so well it's insane, and your playing is incredible as always.
might be because it is the piano they used to write this stuff.
@@RevoltingRudi yeah, and it's a shame we don't get to hear those kind of pianos more often
@@lore6341 lowkey got a piano that sounds like this but its hidden my garage 😞
I don"t comment on videos at all. But i really enjoyed the video. The playing and your personality really make for a interesting combination and a nice time watching this video. Thank you!
Modern piano's have more volume. A deeper key gives more energy to the hammer. I guess the modern hammer strikes a thicker and therefore more tensed string which results in a more stretched out sound, 'thicker'. Today there is so much noise in the word and our ears seem to be wanting more volume in music. This is what i think. By the way in Amsterdam there's a guy who restores and sells erard piano's. He's called Frits Janmaat.
Wow, Tiffany. Your performance and artistry of that piece leaves me almost speechless. I’m simply blown away. Keep striving.
That particular Erard sounds so dreamy and beautiful. It really captures romantic period piano music perfectly, and dare i say it, more authentically than many modern grands do.
Tiffany, Wagner would be so proud of you playing his piano. You have such a talent. I love listening to your playing.
@R. V. Datmir *smacks desk* THANK YOU!
R. V. Datmir, On wagner being an unpleasant human being there are lots of sources indeed. But on him being a bad pianist? I heard it mentioned before but I find no reliable source on this. Given his own pianoworks I have trouble believing that he couldn’t play, at least, his own works which would mean he was certainly a decent pianist.
I'm not sure he would be too pleased with someone like tiffany playing his piano. He was kind of a proto nazi.
@@yaboi-km2qnnot a jew, so its ok
I used to be able to recite this whole piece when I was 16. I have heard many versions by modern pianists, but Tiffany's version is, by far, the most romantic and really befits the title of the piece which is, Dream of Love. Good work Tiffany !
I keep coming back to this Liebestraum performance even years after it's so good ! Truly touching. Keep doing what you are doing Tiffany
You are my favorite modern day pianist and you've inspired me to start taking piano lessons at my university ❤ Im hoping being a musician on a different instrument already will give me a head start and I think it has because I'm already loving it so much. Thank you for doing RUclips and inspiring people like me!!!!
So moving, so beautiful, to play a piece on the piano it was created...it’s almost magical...I’ve got chills, and tears....just breathtaking ❤️
Erard was a French piano maker. There were three well known French piano makers over the years: Erard, Pleyel, and Gaveau. There are several reasons why the treble sustain on pianos of that era is so short. First, modern pianos use an overstrung design where the treble and bass strings pass over each other. This allows for longer strings in a piano of the same length. The Erard piano in this video is a straight strung piano, an older design with shorter strings. Second, modern pianos use duplex scaling where the secondary parts of the strings contribute to the sound of the notes. And third, soundboard and bridge design has greatly improved in the last eighty years or so. It is much more difficult to make a soundboard that will project high frequency treble sounds than a soundboard that projects low frequency bass sounds. Even today the major piano makers are still improving their soundboards. Last year, in 2017, Fazioli introduced a new improved soundboard design. It makes their pianos sound even better than Fazioli pianos from just a few years ago.
frazzledude don't forget Boisselot et Fils, the French piano manufacturer who introduced the sostenuto pedal in 1844 at the French Industrial Exhibition in Paris. Boisselot was Lizst's favorite maker in France.
mevans4715 You are right. Thanks for reminding me. Boisselot changed their name in the early 1900s and then went completely out of business when world war 1 began. So they are rare and obscure today. But at the peak of their business Boisselot produced between 300 and 400 hundred pianos per year -- a large production volume in a time when pianos were built and crafted entirely by hand without power tools.
Would you mind defining "better"?
I recently had the occasion to visit the Collezione Laura Alvini in the Parma Conservatory, where I could hear several historic pianos from XVIII c. fortepiani to mid XIX Erard's and, to my (surely distorted) ear, the sound was getting worse and worse (murkier and duller) with the passing of time... So, "better" is highly relative.
@@MaurizioMGavioli I think the age of the piano has something to do with it as well. You can't engineer the effects of thousands of hours of music played through a soundboard. My old piano is a 1966 Janssen baby grand I picked up for a song. (Ha!) It rivals new Steinways in tone, if not necessarily build quality. You can't engineer 52 years of use into a new piano!
frazzledude yeah, I think people know how to google...
This vlog was so peaceful and wholesome. I cried listening to you play that piano.
This young lady brought me to tears.
When Wagner was in Lucerne he was in exile and a wanted man: he had been one of the ring-leaders of the Dresden uprising and at least one of his close associates in the event was behind bars.
The Wesendoncks were business people with interests in the USA and they were great in kindness to Wagner allowing him to live in this little house next to theirs. Mathilde was a simple, kind, and deep soul, and appealed to the very depths of Wagner’s being, and the unconsummatable love that was suspended between them inspired the Tristan and Isolde drama to be written.
Thanks Tiffany for your lovely playing and observations.
That's interesting. I knew that Wagner was Htiler's favorite composer and a vicious Jew-hater. Didn't know he was a participant in terrorism and thuggery himself.
@@NSResponder
There’s a world of difference outside ‘what people say’ - read Ernest Newman’s biography and you’ll come to put a strange perspective over your remark as well as entertaining yourself with knowledge of a life which was as extraordinary as his music.
@@markhughes7927 His music is crap. Hitler had no taste.
Amazing! Just purchased a 1922 Steinway and love it. Love the personality of the older pianos.
I have never gotten tears in my eyes from someone playing music before! I loved it!!
Do you even realise that you are
playing in a piano where Wagner played, Liszt probably played and NIETZSCHE probably played!!!!! How lucky
Liszt definitely played this piano. Incredible. The legend that no one will or have ever gotten close to.
Oh, wow, Nietzsche, wonderful. Getting to play on a piano a madman played. Sooo lucky. #sarcasm
@@Galantski lol you seem to know him personally
@@Galantski A Famous madman that is. Nietzsche was a philosopher and Tiffany happens to study philosophy, so the circle comes round for her, which is especially amazing. Genius people often borderlines madness, thats why they can think of innovative things that normal people cannot, so be glad that mad people exist. It is very stigmatizing and discriminating when you depict someone out of the ordinary as not normal, and everybody who do act within the same norm are sane people, who says? Are people who act the same as anyone else, is that not mad concept in itself? We need to stop stereotyping people who supposedly have a handicap as not normal, for they too have their value. I am amazed that concert pianists like Tiffany are able to play the difficult classical pieces. You can say they are mad to put so much time into learning such pieces, its torture for some to endure such training. But aren't we glad that these mad people exist, as we "normal" people don't have that ability to do what they do.
@@BingDwenDwen i think you didnt get it... Nietzsche acctually went mad in the last years of his life. In hes last 10 years he had a mental collapse.He ended up just drewling in a chair in his last years. Maybe because of siffilis...maybe not...we will never know but dont make this into a social criticism about stereotypes and what not
tears came down hearing you play that music, such emotion in the sound. thank you for that
this is fun in much the same way that the recent Chopin competition on period Instruments was fun, super fun experience
As a piano technician I can tell you what you are experiencing is a difference in action geometry on modern grand pianos vs. historical grand pianos. A standard measurement with action geometry is the distance a key moves vs. the distance a hammer moves when striking a key.
Modern standards are going to create a piano in which the key moves farther as the hammer rises, a ratio typically 5 to 1, while earlier pianos are likely to have keys that don't move as far to raise the hammer to "let-off," a word I am reluctant to use. It is more understandable if I say the hammer raises to the string.
On earlier pianos, we are looking at action ratios closer to 7 to 1, 8:1, 9:1. That is the difference you felt.
Oh yeah, and that is the best I ever heard you play.
It´s hard to play grand pianos with such a long ratio. I once worked on an old Pleyel where originally a self playing mechanic (don´t know the english term) was installed and if my memory is right it was a ratio 9:1 but that was in 2012 so maybe I´m wrong but the keys were very long. The sound was incredible (maybe because of the extra resonance)! Not that Pleyel was a bad manufacturer in the first place.
Sorry english bad mothertounge not
@@rhythmsteve Of course, but you have to play different from what you're used to.
And this was from a piano technician perspective and for us these things are very interesting. And two piano technicians are worse than 3 teachers XD We love to talk about these things ;)
They should sell pianos with the older action. Many pianists would prefer it.
@MarfMagic I see what you did there
"Luck" had nothing to do with this performance! Tiffany, you have graced the genius of the Masters with your own genius, and I'll wager they would have loved to have been present! God has blessed you abundantly!
So enchanting!!! SO beautiful, and mesmerizing! Liebestraum is my favorite piece of all time, and to hear you playing in Wagner's piano, just amazing, you left me speechless
The Piano has come a long way. They sound so much more beautiful than they used to
Thanks for playing my favorite piece Liebestraum.
You play with emotion and love on the piano!
it’s playing like this that keeps motivating me to learn piano
Beautiful, clear tone, love the Erard sound!
I recall being in Poland looking at Chopin's piano - would LOVED to have played that one.
Beautiful music from a beautiful piano. Thank you. I loved it almost to tears.
When you first started to strike the keys to test the piano I thought that the tone was very hard and I expected to not like it. You then started to play Liebestraum 3 with such delicacy and sensitivity that I have never heard it played more beautifully. Thank you.
Tiffany this was so cool I know having you compose for us will be great you are a very smart lady.
You just lightend up my day. Beautiful, just beautiful!
Hello, Mister Chopin
I've finishrd Chopin Nocturne in C Sharp Minor, are you proud of me now?
+Nina Peralta finished* pardon
@@ninaperalta847 Not yet. Try my ballade no. 1, then I'll be proud of you.
+Frederic Chopin I'm not even done with Clair de Lune yet. Wait 3-5 years, mister.
Nuanced and beautifully spoken, thank you for this information, piano music is on the rise!
You flew all the way to Switzerland to
Play a piano? Wow that’s dedication!!
She was there for the Geneva Competition as well I believe
@Cold German Beer pathetic. Both your comments
@Cold German Beer still pathetic
You would be surprised how many pianists travel around the world to do that, lol...😉 Sorry, I couldn't resist to jest a little!
Andres Gunther ;)
Thank you Tiffany, I loved your playing and I learned something new! Have great stay!
Just beautiful, your playing brings a tear, a happy tear to my eyes. Would have loved to see that receptionist reaction to your playing. You have so much talent.
This was a very special vlog for me as I have a passion for all that is musical history-musical scores from composers, the period pianos used, the dwelling-it’s as close as it gets to imagining what it was like to be alive at the time of these composers! I enjoyed the observations made on the Wagner piano, such as the shorter white key length, the quicker action and the different lengths of the strings and their relationship to the decay time-fascinating! What a great unexpected trip you took us to! Liebestraum sounded beautiful by the way. Loved the scenery, laughed at your comment about the yellow glow of the lamps making you appear “ghastly.” 😂. Really had so much fun. Thank you for making and sharing this vlog! Safe journey back!
ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL..... Your 'touch' is .....words fail me.
3:39 Starts playing Liebesträume No. 3
i just found you yesterday and immediately began binge watching. I found your vlogs to be informative, and engaging. You are charming and extremely talented. You play with your heart on your keys. I love it.
I want one.🌺🌺🌺
The Liebestraume sounded beautiful.
The Melody floats and is mellow.
Less forced than modern instruments.
With time everything had to be louder higher and brighter in synch with the development of the “Industrial Age”.
This older sound is more sensual and intimate and caresses the soul.
I loved this time journey.
Thank you and yes please do some more.
Love your playing always.
That was so brilliant. As much as you were able to take away from this beautiful experience, you most definitely left something of yourself there as well. That fine instrument is in good hands.
Sometimes a less dynamic sound gives way to more richness and sole of an aged instrument. Very nicely played!
After listening to Tiffany play, I think that Wagner and Liszt are the ones who would feel complimented. What a wonderful pianist! (Anything said about her has to come out an understatement.)
This is 100% my favourite vlog that i have seen of you! SO COOL!
It’s obviously the composition and the pianist that are most important. It sounded just as lovely when you played it on this old piano as it did on the Steinway! Thank you Tiffany.
Tiffany, you are very, very special. You have a fantastic future ahead of you!
I am really blown away by this young womans talent. It is mind blowing. I am totally impressed by her abilities and her incite into what is going on with the mechanics of the piano. AND, she's cute.
You played beautifully the Liszt's composition. Thank you!
Hello Tiffany. Thank you for this first impression to play on the Erard piano. Your explanations are clear and those of experience. There are certainly more technical reasons. Yours are those of a talented player and have in my eyes more values. I really appreciate your videos for this reason.
Your playing is beautiful and exquisite! You really bring the music to life. I feel so many different emotions when I listen to you play ❤️❤️❤️❤️
I recently found your channel and love it and you. Your up beat, happy demeanor is inspiring. I love that you show us something as awesome as playing on such an important piano as that one. The history is great. Thank you 🙏🏿
Hi Tiffany😊. I always enjoy watching your vlog so much.
In fact, I don't understand what you say😅. But this vlog is very interesting. I like it very much!
I heard your performance by from 1855 piano. It sounds So So impressive! I love sounds of old piano too.
Thank you Tiffany🌼🎶. See you next time! Take care🍀😊.
P.S. I learn English hard, because I want to be able to hear your English!
Bye Bye Tiffany😊
congratulations keep up the hard work
THAT'S REAL DEDICATION!! I LOVE TIFF TOO!!
This is adorable
Beautiful place, piano and piece. I cried. Thanks for sharing
Simply lovely. 🎼🎶🎶🎵👌
Wow this brought tears to my eyes. Thank you for sharing
That's so nice of them to let you play it.
The piano is kept in wonderful conditions.
Ms. Tiffany Poon's is an outstanding pianist.
Just stumbled across your channel. Loved your playing. I am always intrigued how playing on a different instrument can be inspirational and bring something out of our talents that is new.
This was my fav piece u played never heard it on a piano like that
I'm amazed at pianists ability to remember large pieces! Also, love your explanation of the piano and how it impacts your performance, Nerd heaven!
That was beautiful. Thanks for sharing such an incredible instrument and music.
I enjoyed hearing your playing on the Wagner piano. It was interesting hearing your impressions about the piano too💕
Marvelous voyage. It feels so warm at heart when you play List Liebestraum on this Wagner's Erard flugel. Beautiful sound. So thankful for this unexpected gift, dear romantic pianist.
You had me entrance. Fascinating conversation about the pianoforte
Thank you Tiffany Poon 💕 I love the sound of old pianos.
Yours are the only vlogs where I can be laughing at your cute awkwardness in one moment, then within 5 seconds be crying when you start playing the piano....and then learn things I never knew! 👍
I started crying to your Liebestraum... you are SOOO good.
Loved the Vlog. Interesting piano sound, yes not deep. It did need tuning! The keyboard looked newer. Beautiful scenery. Thanks for sharing!
What a thrill for you and a treat for the rest of us, thank you Tiffany.
I always get very emotional when I hear Liebestraum; no matter how many times. Now you need to get your hands on one of the few pianos left that Chopin used and of course Liszt :-)
I'm supposed to be busy with my Psychology year module assignment right now but instead I am watching all these awesome Tiffany Poon vlogs. Piano is addictive.
Wonderful playing. Great video, very interesting Tiffany. They have a certain resonance to them, the old pianos don’t they? The touch on my 80 yrs old one is very light too. Like putting on an old familiar slipper, very comfortable! Mine doesn’t have the pedigree of an Erard though! Just a random old one. I adopted it when my friends couldn’t keep it any longer. I love the history in these old instruments and wonder what music they have had ring out from them in the past from different hands.
What a great experience! Thanks for playing and sharing all of that with us!
the straight stringing (the strings doesn't overlap as on today's pianos) of the piano accounts for the big difference between treble and bass. On todays "overstrung" piano this difference is more or less cancelled out.
Just a small addendum in case anyone finds it interesting, in Belgium Chris Maene is building grands that use the old straight stringing.
Yes, isn't too, Daniel Barenboim involved in some sort of revisit, development and building of new models and use of straight-strung grands? I'm sure I saw on RUclips something like that a couple of years ago.
@@stuartylad Absolutely, he commissioned the first one. Maene had been considering this project but Barenboim provided the initial funding.
@@SleutelbosMusic sounds wonderful ! I had no idea they got rid of that in pianos on purpose ! Cellos can some times sound sooo wonderful because a string or even a few of them will have very unique characteristics compared to the rest of the range. Imagining a piano which sounds similar now ... just wow! A bit like two-voicing on a synth I guess... but way way cooler sounding.
I will relearn Liebestraum with my 1903 Steinway. This video has officially inspired me and filled me with a strong desire and motivation.
You play Liebestraume extremely well, I love that piece so much and really glad you played it lol. Keep up these vlogs, I love them. 😁
I had the fortune, at the Conservatoire in Chichester, to play on Wagner's 1876 patented Steinway piano, it has such a pure and oratory sound. Nothing could be confused but music when you were allowed to play it once in a while!
This was fun! Baroque music on a harpsichord would be another fun adventure to watch :) Or maybe even the same Liszt Liebestraum on a harpsichord hahaha
Period music on period instruments is always a treat.
Keep on having fun in your quest to pefection while slowly distilling your thirst for more discovery. Your talent grows along with your passion. Keep moving young Lady, keep moving.
Wow an interesting ‘today I learned’ moment. Wagner and Liszt were related in a way. Awesome video Tiffany!
Wow, what a treat and such a special piano! I think you did it justice! Thank you for sharing
10:24 rip headphone user
Fuck that scared me
F
damn.
Haha I am wearing headphones yeah it was a bit jarring...
+1 frag
What an amazing opportunity, he would be proud of you and honored to have you bring the piano to life!!
I much prefer this polite sound to today's pianos, which sound too bell-like and bass-heavy, like a dreadnought guitar.
That piano out of tune... Like unplayable
Thank you Theodor Wesendonck.....lovely building lovely view - inspirational...............
I guess they don't keep it tuned since it's mostly a visual object in that museum? Would love to hear you play on it again, when it's in concert condition.
The treble/bass balance _is_ interesting. The top end sounds almost intimate & gentle; not the bottom!
I am deeply in awe, this is something very special, thank you very much for sharing this with us.
*Tocar en el instrumento que fue propiedad de una leyenda de la historia musical de la humanidad. Una oportunidad única en la vida.*
So enjoyed this vlog! The information about pianos, the actual video of your playing and of the the beautiful piece you played so beautifully... all of these and more just made watching this vlog such an enjoyable experience. Thank you Tiffany!
I like how the piano is from the same decade as Liszt's Liebesträume