Hey everyone! *EDIT: I say in the video "we only meet the dragons [Ran, Shaw, and Druk]." My bad - we, of course, meet Fang, Roku's dragon, who is clearly addressed in the video around the ****8:00**** mark.* This was a *really* fun theory to research. There was just so much to it! QotD: which conspiracy theory do you *kind of* believe, even if just a little? Best theory gets ten points and a blessing from supreme leader Mishka. ~ Tim
Hello Future Me I hate how LoK spat on ATLA's tribute to Eastern culture. The best conspiracy theory is the Illuminati. They control a lot but live in the shadows. People joke about them and don't believe in them and they exploit that.
The World Trade Center building 7. It wasn't hit by a plane, it was brought down by "fires" caused my ash coming from the Twin Towers across the street. If the official story is to be true, WTC 7 is the only concrete building *EVER!!* to be brought down by fires. So this conspiracy theory is justified due to the US government making an impossible claim...
A conspiracy theory I really like and kinda believe actually has to do with today's topic: in a lot of cultures, eastern, western, african, latin american and even some myths in oceania, contain dragons. i don't know if this counts as a conspiracy theory, but there are rumours of them actually having existed, or even still exist. I very much like to believe it. there's also the rumour that they are hidden somewhere, and like gods controlling the most important stuff. but I'm not sure about that. haven't found anything online (maybe the dragons remove everything revolving around that conspiracy)
The conspiracy conspiracy! The US government deliberately creates stupid/crazy conspiracies (i.e. moon landings faked, 9/11 was an inside job...) in order to make people less believing of the genuine conspiracies that go on like, say, that the NSA is spying on everyone.
Also, Iroh probably discovered that if he killed the last remaining dragons, something similar to the northern attack would happen. The sun would probably black out, and that may be the reason he decided to spare them. Or he was simply taught at some point the "ways of the sun" and therefore started to really respect the dragons.
I like the thinking but how would he know without trying? Maybe he saw a spirit? But he could only see spirits because he was spiritually enlightened, or so I choose to believe. Idk just a lot of interesting questions that come with that outlook
They took the form of a existing species. For example, koi fish already existed in that universe and it just happened that the spirits took that form but not every koi is spiritual. So the spirits took the form of those two opposite colored dragons just like the moon spirits took the form of the opposite colored koi fish and then just hid among the rest of the species
What if one's like the sun and one's like the void. Like how Tui and La are the Moon and Ocean Spirit. If there are two of them they should be two different things, right? And I also thought that those two are the spirits but the rest of the dragons are non spirits directly, but I thought perhaps they were all like semi-spiritual descendents.
I assume the blue one represents lightning, if fire bending at it's core is about energy then that would make sense. And lightning benders are a type of fire benders.
I like to think Ren and Shaw represent not just the sun, but rather the sunrise and sunset. Since the sun turns the sky into a beautiful vibrant color during those moments, just as their fire-breathing did :).
@@alzhanvoid I feel like that'd be an airbending spirit, because the sky is air. Edit: I suppose this would also mean it's ground and sky, which is better because sea is somewhat between. (Between solid and gas is liquid, and the sea can have a murky brown colour, be transparent, be blue or green. It's a mix.)
I believe that maybe one Dragon is the embodiment of the Sun. The other Dragon maybe lesser Sun Spirits. Like how the Earth Spirits guard the Earth but none of them are the Earth itself. Edit: So the Koi fish are the Moon and Ocean so what if Ren is the Sun and Shaw is the Sky? Just a thought.
Local Bus Driver Cause 1. He is wrong? And 2. Refer No.1 and also 3. How can one be the “lesser” spirit if they’re both essentially the same “species”. Logic yo
maniacram The existence of the lesser spirits is not vital to the existence of the sun. Hence why once the dragons were driven to near extinction the sun went essentially unaffected. Mind you this is all just head-cannon meant to justify the op’s speculation, so all-in-all it doesn’t really matter.
You know maybe the spirits of the sun just are Ran and Shaw because they just seem taller than any other dragons we saw in the show and all other dragons you see breathing fire just have red and normal fire. So all other dragons were/are just simmilar spirits or even just descendants of the two first dragons (I hope it makes sence 😅)
“You rise with the moon; I rise with the sun!” -Zuko I also can’t help but notice the symmetry of bending sources: Water, celestial bodyEarth, animalFire, celestial body,Air, animal Winter, spring, summer, and fall. The solstice season elements use their respective celestial objects, the elements of equinoxes use animals. It all fits extraordinarily neatly.
@12:08 Conspiracy I kinda believe: Aang is Suyin Beifong's Father. Exhibit "A" Opal Beifong. Now before you say that Aang wouldn't do that to Katara, or that she wouldn't allow it... consider this... Blood bending is a thing that Katara knows. If Toph wanted another child and asked Katara, the water bender could have easily just bent Aang's dna into her.(Think on it clinically, don't make it weird) It would make sense that Toph refused to tell them who their parents were believing that it shouldn't matter to THEM if one was the child of the Avatar, but not willing to outright lie to them about it. Aang of course would respect her choice on how to raise them especially given that Suyin wasn't an airbender. We have heard of his failings as a parent in both Korra season 2 and the Legacy's book describing their family history. Naturally, Toph's Earth nature would be more dominant, and thus their child would be an earth bender too, however she would still be able to pass it on. Especially if we look at the theory that all the "New" airbenders were actually just recessive descendants, awakened by the spiritual density of the harmonic convergence. On a side note, it is said that women often choose the same types of men that they see their mothers choose. Lin Beifong got along "Great" with Aang, and even romantically pursued Tenzin. presumably after Suyin was sent to live with her grandmother. As we've seen in flashbacks. Suyin was always difficult to control and refused to follow the rules, choosing FUN over responsibility. (Does this reminder us of any penguin sledders?) We learned that during her childhood and young adult life, Suyin had several different adventures including sailing on a pirate ship, joining a traveling circus, and living in a sandbender commune. Traveling the world just like a nomad. She is shown to be more accepting of pretty much any other culture or way of life, just as the air nomads were described as by Kya in the comics. When we first see Zoufu, we see that she has made metal bending far more versatile than either Lin or their mother. Using it even as a form of dancing. (Anyone remember Aang's day in the fire nation education system?) Then, Suyin's youngest child Opal, is revealed to be an airbender. In Korra, it is said that she is a natural. Korra's tone even implying almost disbelievingly so. What if she had her air bending longer than everyone thought? And her mother only made it public when the other airbenders began popping up? They could have kept the secret in Zoufu the entire time, and it would explain why Opal was never allowed to leave. As well as why no one else seemed too excited about the revelation. Further, this would also explain how and why Toph and Suyin made up. This was only said to have been "Years ago" not how many... But definitely AFTER she settled down and built Zoufu. One day her daughter begins airbending and Suyin finally figures out who her dad is. In doing so realizing WHY neither of them were told. So she goes to Toph for confirmation and they work things out. It also explains why Toph was willing to just drop Lin's dad's name on Bolin so easily, and why Opal didn't seem curious in the slightest about her mom's dad when she did so. Please let me know what you think.
I suddenly have an idea: maybe because Ran and Shaw deemed Zuko worthy they began to being back the dragons into the world. That's why Zuko ends up with his own dragon in the LoK. Or maybe they managed to find more dragons like they did with the sky bison, but I like to think that deeming Zuko, and the avatar, worthy was an important step. There's speculation that Zuko's dragon is the child of Ren and Shaw, but maybe like other dragon eggs in mythos it either takes a lot of time for an egg to batch or the 'right sorta hero' needs to appear for that egg to finally hatch
That could be why Iroh told everyone he killed the last dragon, so no one took out the sun spirit and therefore killed the sun and all life on the planet. It would also mean that Iroh would turn on anyone who tried to kill similar spirits, such as the moon spirit at the end of the first season.
Discovered your channel only recently, you make awesome content and I've binge watched a ton - then just realised you're from NZ! As a fellow NZer, greetings from Dunedin :D
Are you sure you're from NZ? Dunedin totally sounds like a place in Middle Earth, although I guess there's a thin line between the two... :D Also, always glad when new people discover this awesome channel. Not that I'm the oldest viewer, but welcome anyway :)
I'd like to think that the red dragon is the spirit of the sun, while the blue dragon is the spirit of the sky. Just to make a parallel with the moon and ocean.
I remembee you saying you were goint to make a video about "How Spirits reproduce" And a "Greek Mythology Family Tree" As well. Awesome video as always, keep it up, and all hail Mishka 😸😸👑👑
So, two things: The dragons are numerous. We assume that there were once hundreds of dragons, before they were hunted. So does this mean they are sun spirits, emphasize it being plural. The moon spirit was apparently unique, contrary to this theory of dragons. Secondly: Does this mean the Fire Nation tamed and subdued spirits? That's pretty hardcore.
It's weird how the Origin of Avatar was supposed to clear things up but instead it messes the lore. I guess they shouldn't have explained the magic and allowed us to guess and maybe left hints throughout the comics.
My surmising is that the Lion Turtles are and were the original ones capable of giving and taking away bending from mortals, but when the spirit world and the mortal world were separated, the Lion Turtles' job no longer held meaning, and as such, gave passed on the process of teaching to the "original" benders; the Bison, Moles, Moon, and Sun. And over time, when more and more Avatars were born the fewer and fewer people remembered the Turtles and their power.
I can see the dragon could strong spirtual connection, my be the decendants of the sun spirt after it took physical form. Just one simple to why i cant see them as the sun spirits as i should see only one spirt per aspect. We see two spirits that deal with faces, however one only steal faces while the other can change them
*sees new Avatar video on Hello Future me* Me: WOOHOO! more avatar theories! This video was super interesting. Tim you still need to remember to do that video on the Greek Gods' family tree from the poll two months ago. ALL HAIL MISHKA!!!!!
In the Avatar Legends ttrpg (which has canon lore) actually does hint at dragons have a connection to the spirit world. Killing a dragon causes an imbalance with the spirit world drawing spirits to that location and cause strange occurrences around the area. The imbalance created even caught the attention of the water tribes who sensed it and even sent envoys to investigate the death sites.
I think what the creators mean by the four animals being the original benders, is that they the humans learn how to use their respective bending ability from those animal's habits and their related abilities. So the Lion Turtles gave the abilities to bend the elements, while the four original benders taught humans the original basics, understandings, and fundamentals of the marital art to use that kind of bending. Then all other styles came after and were based off the original martial art forms. (Long winded, yeah, but I love avatar)
In avatar tla, the fortuneteller episode, aunt woo (the fortuneteller) tells Katara that she will have her 3rd grandchild and die quietly but in lok, she has four?!
I really like the thought because one thing never added up: There are three elements whose original masters are animals (fire, earth and air) and only one whose is a celestial object (the moon) eventhough that imbalance is already weird in itself the conversation between katara and zuko at the seige of the north made it even more weird. As the sun rises and zuko escapes katara he says “you rise with the moon and i with the sun“ (or something in that direction xD) but still. That would mean we have two same working elements (fire and water) but still one of them learned from the moon and the other from dragons? That just didn't make sense. But with your theory everything works out! Thanks i really enjoyed that video!
Waterbender #1: Those are some nice koi fish in this oasis pond Waterbender #2: Yeah they've been here a while 1: How long? 2: Idk. As long as my Gran Gran can remember 1: Oh nice
I can’t remember which comic it was but we see a spirit take on a human form for her love and when she dies he thinks he killed the spirit but we later find out from the spirit herself that she didn’t die but took on a new form. Idk how well that works in the the moon and ocean spirits but just a thought
You also forgot the Mysyery Class dragons being sorted. Here are some I thought of, along with the Unknown Class. - Armorwing- Stoker, Boulder Boneknapper- Fear Buffalord- Stoker, Ancient (Possible for older, rarer dragons) Cavern Crasher- Stoker, Toxic(Possible class for those with gas or acid) Changewing- Fear, Toxic Death Song- Fear Dramillion- Stoker Flightmare- Fear, Strikes, Toxic Foreverwing- Boulder, Ancient Gobsucker- Toxic Hideous Zippleback- Fear, Toxic Sandbuster- Boulder Slithersong- Fear Slitherwing- Toxic Smothering Smokebreath- Stoker, Fear Snaptrapper- Fear, Toxic Sweet Death- Boulder, Fear, Toxic Sword Stealer- Stoker, Boulder Lycanwing- Strike, Fear, Ancient Shadow Wing- Strike Silkspanner- Fear Small Shadow- Stoker, Strike Stinger-Sharp
Another neat point is that the Dragon we see in Beginnings that's training Avatar Wan has no wings, whereas the Dragons in Avatar and in Korra's time do. Maybe they didn't need wings to fly as spiritual creatures, but as physical beings they needed the wings to defy the laws of physics and fly?
On the importance of the Sun and culture, the Fire Nation takes most it's inspiration from Japan, which also holds a great importance to the Sun and holds the belief that the Japanese people are descendants of Ametarasu, Goddess of the Sun, and they're called "the Land of the Rising Sun".
Just a thought since the Koi fish were the moon and ocean! Push and Pull what if the red dragon was the sun and the blue dragon was wind (air). We all know how air plays a role in the push and pull of fire 🔥 as well. I don't know just a thought. Also Zuko and Aang fire and air!
ok but what if the flying bison are the spirits of the sky and the sky is what taught airbenders how to airbend? makes sense that they'd learn from the sky itself because its wind flows dynamically around resistance like the airbender's philosophy and what about badgermoles being the spirits of the ground and the ground taught earthbenders how to earthbend? makes sense that they'd learn from the ground itself because it's unchanging and largely immovable like the earthbender's philosophy
The image you put to describe the Mayan Sun God Kinich Ahau actually corresponds to the Aztec God Tonatiuh. Hope this information be helpful for you. :)
Theory: working under the assumption that the sun spirit(and perhaps another firebending-related spirit) became dragons, and they had offspring that spread through the world, what if that's how all the original benders came to be? Like a sky spirit became a sky bison or a mountain spirit became badgermoles? And now to split off from this, what if the moon and ocean spirits actually had offspring as well, only these offspring evolved over the many millenia that followed? *tldr: elephant koi are waterbending masters*
I kind of wish that Korra could have had a dragon spirit guide. It would have truly been an incredible aspect of the show, having a dragon teach her the true ways of fire! Also... ALL HAIL MISHKA!
Here in the beginning of the video, I always thought Agni didn't just mean fire but was also the name of the spirit of the Sun or at least the spirit of fire itself
I honestly think that the dragons ren and Shaw are the sun and star spirits, and that when they reproduce they birth regular dragons, and that would explain why ren and Shaw have survived for so long, and that’s why the sun never went out while the dragons were being killed, and that the golden jewel was the last dragon born to ten and Shaw, and they have it to sulk as a gift for restoring balance.
I think that the sun spirit took the form of a dragon, and granted all other dragons the ability to fire bend. Then, as with the bison and moles, the humans learned to fire bend from the dragons- so, the sun IS the original fire bender, but it taught the dragons who then taught the humans who were gifted fire bending from the lion turtles. That was complicated lol. 🔥🐉⚡️
I noticed a tiny detail in your video. That the dragon that Wan learns firebending from has no wings, yet the 4 other dragons we do see do have wings. So maybe the physical form of dragons have wings while the spirit forms have no wings.
I just realized another connection...in Japanese mythology, the koi and teh dragon are linked. There's a legend that if a koi can swim all the way up a waterfall, it will turn into a dragon. How did it take me this long to notice this?!
If only one dragon is the sun spirit, then what’s the other? Mine is that it’s something like the Volcano/lava/magma spirit. This sun and volcano relation is pretty close to the moon and ocean relation. But it could be the lightning spirit! Since the one dragon is blue and lightning is too, it makes sense. This would also avoid the weird earth bending connection that volcanos/lava/magma have.
If you haven't done this topic yet, I'm curious about the difference between spirits like Lady Tienhai and General old Iron vs spirits like Raava and Vaatu, Tui and La, Koh, Mother of Faces, etc when it comes to having a "human form". Tienhai and Old Iron are already humanoid, which allows an easier "transition" I suppose, but if humans can ascend to become spirits (ie Painted Lady) and Tui and La are koi fish, and there are the dragons possibly being a mortal form tied to the sun spirit, can any spirit assume a human/mortal form?
i think the spirits are in essence a living being, therefore they are able to adapt to their surroundings. just because the spirits comes from the spirit world does not mean they are unable to be a material world creature. we see some attractions between spirit and their material environment in both avatar series.
If the water bending could be disturbed by the death of the koi fishes, could the sun disappear if the last two dragons (probably the only ones that are really a spiritual manifestation of the fire bending) result in the same effect? As the two coifishes, it seems plausible that the only primordial spirits are the two dragons in the mountain, and that other dragon were descents or something like it.
One thing that i noticed was that the dragon that taught Wan didn't have wings unlike Ren Shaw and Druk who all had wings. I dont know what that means lol but it was an observation
Has anyone noticed an increase of A:TLA videos everywhere on RUclips? I'm not complaining, I love it. Just strange how the show first aired about 13 years ago now and suddenly everyone's making videos on it.
I have to admit, I was talking about this with a friend the other day. When I started making them, nobody was doing ATLA videos. But over the last few months especially, I've noticed a lot more people doing them. ~ Tim
In the seige of the North Zuko said his bending gets stronger with the sun so it seems the sun is the source of fire, it may be that the dragons a bit like the truth seekers of wan shi tong. They are not the sun itself but assist the sun.
the reason you know that dragon teaching wan is more spirit then just animal is the way it flies most dragons have wings being what helps them fly but that dragon flew without wings at all something only a sky bison could do or even a spirit
I think the lion turtles were the creators of the avatar world, they are completely neutral beings that doesn´t represent anything, then the other spirits were created, and as the spirits of moon and ocean had the form of koi fish when they went to the material world and as Tim says probably the dragons are the sun spirits, the badgers that can bend the earth and the sky bisons are the physical representations of air and earth spirits, that´s my theory, kind of a little expansion of Tim´s one.
Tim, do a video on what happened to Sokka, I was wondering so much about it when watching Legend of Korra, but can’t quite put my finger on what happened. -All Hail Mishka!!!!!!
Man, I wish avatar was still around as a series on Netflix or something. There's still so much more potential left in it, and I definitely think the M Night Shyamalan movie didn't help it's reputation!
The animals were the original benders because they were born with the bending. The lion turtles had to give the bending to the people which gave them the ability to bend but the animals taught them.
also zuko says that katara rises with the moon, he rises with the sun, and all the fire benders loose there bending on the solar eclips showing its connected like the water benders connection to the moon
I have an interesting question kind of related (not really), what if Lu Ten (Iroh's son) never died. Avatar critic did a video about it but I don't think his conclusions were as plausible as they could have been.
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Hey everyone! *EDIT: I say in the video "we only meet the dragons [Ran, Shaw, and Druk]." My bad - we, of course, meet Fang, Roku's dragon, who is clearly addressed in the video around the ****8:00**** mark.* This was a *really* fun theory to research. There was just so much to it! QotD: which conspiracy theory do you *kind of* believe, even if just a little? Best theory gets ten points and a blessing from supreme leader Mishka.
~ Tim
Hello Future Me
I hate how LoK spat on ATLA's tribute to Eastern culture.
The best conspiracy theory is the Illuminati. They control a lot but live in the shadows. People joke about them and don't believe in them and they exploit that.
The World Trade Center building 7. It wasn't hit by a plane, it was brought down by "fires" caused my ash coming from the Twin Towers across the street. If the official story is to be true, WTC 7 is the only concrete building *EVER!!* to be brought down by fires. So this conspiracy theory is justified due to the US government making an impossible claim...
A conspiracy theory I really like and kinda believe actually has to do with today's topic: in a lot of cultures, eastern, western, african, latin american and even some myths in oceania, contain dragons. i don't know if this counts as a conspiracy theory, but there are rumours of them actually having existed, or even still exist. I very much like to believe it. there's also the rumour that they are hidden somewhere, and like gods controlling the most important stuff. but I'm not sure about that. haven't found anything online (maybe the dragons remove everything revolving around that conspiracy)
Could you do a video over the earth kindom civil wars ?
The conspiracy conspiracy! The US government deliberately creates stupid/crazy conspiracies (i.e. moon landings faked, 9/11 was an inside job...) in order to make people less believing of the genuine conspiracies that go on like, say, that the NSA is spying on everyone.
Also, Iroh probably discovered that if he killed the last remaining dragons, something similar to the northern attack would happen. The sun would probably black out, and that may be the reason he decided to spare them. Or he was simply taught at some point the "ways of the sun" and therefore started to really respect the dragons.
I like the thinking but how would he know without trying? Maybe he saw a spirit? But he could only see spirits because he was spiritually enlightened, or so I choose to believe. Idk just a lot of interesting questions that come with that outlook
They took the form of a existing species. For example, koi fish already existed in that universe and it just happened that the spirits took that form but not every koi is spiritual. So the spirits took the form of those two opposite colored dragons just like the moon spirits took the form of the opposite colored koi fish and then just hid among the rest of the species
This is a really good thought to add!
~ Tim
What if one's like the sun and one's like the void. Like how Tui and La are the Moon and Ocean Spirit. If there are two of them they should be two different things, right?
And I also thought that those two are the spirits but the rest of the dragons are non spirits directly, but I thought perhaps they were all like semi-spiritual descendents.
fludduck maybe one is the sun and the other is lava ? Idk, I feel like the blue dragon symbolizes something but im not sure what it could be.
The sky maybe? Possibly too much overlap with air though...
I assume the blue one represents lightning, if fire bending at it's core is about energy then that would make sense. And lightning benders are a type of fire benders.
I like to think Ren and Shaw represent not just the sun, but rather the sunrise and sunset. Since the sun turns the sky into a beautiful vibrant color during those moments, just as their fire-breathing did :).
I think that the blue dragon is the spirit of the storm, from witch lightning bending is derived.
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Or the sky. I dont think we ever get a sky spirit. The sun and the moon. The sea and sky.
@@alzhanvoid I feel like that'd be an airbending spirit, because the sky is air.
Edit: I suppose this would also mean it's ground and sky, which is better because sea is somewhat between. (Between solid and gas is liquid, and the sea can have a murky brown colour, be transparent, be blue or green. It's a mix.)
I believe that maybe one Dragon is the embodiment of the Sun. The other Dragon maybe lesser Sun Spirits. Like how the Earth Spirits guard the Earth but none of them are the Earth itself.
Edit: So the Koi fish are the Moon and Ocean so what if Ren is the Sun and Shaw is the Sky? Just a thought.
Your edit is what I was thinking, if the fish were the moon and ocean, maybe Ren and Shaw are the sun and fire?
Silent_Cheddar why do you HAVE to say lesser?
maniacram Why do you HAVE to take issue with that?
Local Bus Driver Cause 1. He is wrong? And 2. Refer No.1 and also 3. How can one be the “lesser” spirit if they’re both essentially the same “species”. Logic yo
maniacram The existence of the lesser spirits is not vital to the existence of the sun. Hence why once the dragons were driven to near extinction the sun went essentially unaffected. Mind you this is all just head-cannon meant to justify the op’s speculation, so all-in-all it doesn’t really matter.
You know maybe the spirits of the sun just are Ran and Shaw because they just seem taller than any other dragons we saw in the show and all other dragons you see breathing fire just have red and normal fire. So all other dragons were/are just simmilar spirits or even just descendants of the two first dragons (I hope it makes sence 😅)
borkenhaut Gollum it does and you’re very very smart good job 👏
“You rise with the moon; I rise with the sun!” -Zuko
I also can’t help but notice the symmetry of bending sources: Water, celestial bodyEarth, animalFire, celestial body,Air, animal
Winter, spring, summer, and fall. The solstice season elements use their respective celestial objects, the elements of equinoxes use animals. It all fits extraordinarily neatly.
I also kept thinking about that line !!! thank God.
But I think that it's because while the Moon was the 1st water bender, the source of the bending is the moon spirit...
I also can’t help but notice the symmetry of bending sources: Water: celestial body, Earth: animal, Fire: celestial body, Air: animal.
@@JoahTheThread5ive Yeah I couldn’t read what he said either. Thanks for rewriting it :)
Winter, spring
Summer and fall 🎶 🎶 🎶
4 seasons, fou-our love 🎶 🎶 🎶
-Uncle Iroh
Recently found your your channel and i love your respect for the shows you do and the cultures behind them
There's so much outside the show we need to think about, and the lore of Avatar is so well-founded, it's really helpful to reference them.
~ Tim
Hello Future Me any other shows deep rooted with easten culture that you might dive into
* Sees Hello Future Me uploaded an Avatar video *
Me: *WAIT!!!!!!!*
* Grabs popcorn and sacrifice for Lord Mishka *
Me: okay.... continue...
My cousin is off fighting dragons, and I'm on guard duty
Wtf
@@colenault3541 skyrim
Kevin Vu thanks I thought he was stupid
Damn, it’s because you took that arrow to the knee.
I had a guard say this immediately after he helped me kill a dragon in one of the cities and i????? The skeleton is right there broski
0:08 Beter CGI lips than Justice League
Could it be possible Fang was able to go into the Spirit World because his soul was linked to Roku's?
@12:08 Conspiracy I kinda believe: Aang is Suyin Beifong's Father. Exhibit "A" Opal Beifong.
Now before you say that Aang wouldn't do that to Katara, or that she wouldn't allow it... consider this... Blood bending is a thing that Katara knows. If Toph wanted another child and asked Katara, the water bender could have easily just bent Aang's dna into her.(Think on it clinically, don't make it weird)
It would make sense that Toph refused to tell them who their parents were believing that it shouldn't matter to THEM if one was the child of the Avatar, but not willing to outright lie to them about it. Aang of course would respect her choice on how to raise them especially given that Suyin wasn't an airbender. We have heard of his failings as a parent in both Korra season 2 and the Legacy's book describing their family history.
Naturally, Toph's Earth nature would be more dominant, and thus their child would be an earth bender too, however she would still be able to pass it on. Especially if we look at the theory that all the "New" airbenders were actually just recessive descendants, awakened by the spiritual density of the harmonic convergence.
On a side note, it is said that women often choose the same types of men that they see their mothers choose. Lin Beifong got along "Great" with Aang, and even romantically pursued Tenzin. presumably after Suyin was sent to live with her grandmother.
As we've seen in flashbacks. Suyin was always difficult to control and refused to follow the rules, choosing FUN over responsibility. (Does this reminder us of any penguin sledders?)
We learned that during her childhood and young adult life, Suyin had several different adventures including sailing on a pirate ship, joining a traveling circus, and living in a sandbender commune. Traveling the world just like a nomad. She is shown to be more accepting of pretty much any other culture or way of life, just as the air nomads were described as by Kya in the comics.
When we first see Zoufu, we see that she has made metal bending far more versatile than either Lin or their mother. Using it even as a form of dancing. (Anyone remember Aang's day in the fire nation education system?)
Then, Suyin's youngest child Opal, is revealed to be an airbender. In Korra, it is said that she is a natural. Korra's tone even implying almost disbelievingly so. What if she had her air bending longer than everyone thought? And her mother only made it public when the other airbenders began popping up? They could have kept the secret in Zoufu the entire time, and it would explain why Opal was never allowed to leave. As well as why no one else seemed too excited about the revelation.
Further, this would also explain how and why Toph and Suyin made up. This was only said to have been "Years ago" not how many... But definitely AFTER she settled down and built Zoufu. One day her daughter begins airbending and Suyin finally figures out who her dad is. In doing so realizing WHY neither of them were told. So she goes to Toph for confirmation and they work things out. It also explains why Toph was willing to just drop Lin's dad's name on Bolin so easily, and why Opal didn't seem curious in the slightest about her mom's dad when she did so.
Please let me know what you think.
Aang and Toph both have lighter skin than Suyin.
Also when katara and Zuke were battling in the North Pole while katara was getting strong thanks to the moon Zuko gets stronger when the sun rises
I suddenly have an idea: maybe because Ran and Shaw deemed Zuko worthy they began to being back the dragons into the world. That's why Zuko ends up with his own dragon in the LoK.
Or maybe they managed to find more dragons like they did with the sky bison, but I like to think that deeming Zuko, and the avatar, worthy was an important step. There's speculation that Zuko's dragon is the child of Ren and Shaw, but maybe like other dragon eggs in mythos it either takes a lot of time for an egg to batch or the 'right sorta hero' needs to appear for that egg to finally hatch
That could be why Iroh told everyone he killed the last dragon, so no one took out the sun spirit and therefore killed the sun and all life on the planet. It would also mean that Iroh would turn on anyone who tried to kill similar spirits, such as the moon spirit at the end of the first season.
Discovered your channel only recently, you make awesome content and I've binge watched a ton - then just realised you're from NZ! As a fellow NZer, greetings from Dunedin :D
Greetings from Christchurch!
~ Tim
Are you sure you're from NZ? Dunedin totally sounds like a place in Middle Earth, although I guess there's a thin line between the two... :D
Also, always glad when new people discover this awesome channel. Not that I'm the oldest viewer, but welcome anyway :)
Hello Future Me Oh thats where your accent comes from! I always wondered :D
Lol I didn't know this hi from Chch
Omg hes a kiwi!
That little “oh” after the pond of primordial koi fish bit killed me.
Makes sense to me. I take it.
I'd like to think that the red dragon is the spirit of the sun, while the blue dragon is the spirit of the sky. Just to make a parallel with the moon and ocean.
Hai bai turned into a panda when he wasn't angry anymore
So dragons might be regular fire bending animals while some of them can be spirits
"Finally, i have found it... there you are, my own sun, hahahahhahahahahahaha"
"Praise the Sun!!!!!"
I remembee you saying you were goint to make a video about "How Spirits reproduce" And a "Greek Mythology Family Tree" As well. Awesome video as always, keep it up, and all hail Mishka 😸😸👑👑
"WHAT ABOUT DRAGONS" #Shadiversity
MACHICOLATION!!!
SWORDS!!!!!!
ye i had to think about him as well :)
"But what about dragons?!" - Shadiversity
Love that guy too. Thanks for the awesome video!
also iroh is talking about positiv and negative energy to create lighning so the two dragons could represent the two kind of energies
The intro is so adorable cx
0:13 did he forget about Roku and Sozin’s dragon 🐉
You should do a video on Aangs parents.
00:06
Shadiversity wants his shirt print back
+ We also meet Fang, though he is dead of course.
So, two things: The dragons are numerous. We assume that there were once hundreds of dragons, before they were hunted. So does this mean they are sun spirits, emphasize it being plural. The moon spirit was apparently unique, contrary to this theory of dragons.
Secondly: Does this mean the Fire Nation tamed and subdued spirits? That's pretty hardcore.
11:12 “As you know, I conducted a raid on the Great Library, which most said didn’t even exist.”
YES! i love that my favorite you tubers watch each other's vids
But what the crap are Lion Turtles?
It's weird how the Origin of Avatar was supposed to clear things up but instead it messes the lore.
I guess they shouldn't have explained the magic and allowed us to guess and maybe left hints throughout the comics.
My surmising is that the Lion Turtles are and were the original ones capable of giving and taking away bending from mortals, but when the spirit world and the mortal world were separated, the Lion Turtles' job no longer held meaning, and as such, gave passed on the process of teaching to the "original" benders; the Bison, Moles, Moon, and Sun.
And over time, when more and more Avatars were born the fewer and fewer people remembered the Turtles and their power.
I actually made a video about that: Are Lion Turtles Gods? One of my favourite videos. ruclips.net/video/79Sc3sSRGco/видео.html
~ Tim
Gods
Awesome
Awesome video, with lots of love and detail in it :)
Thank you! :)
~ Tim
No need to thank for praise that is deserved!
How about you do a video on why the dragons were hunted?
I can see the dragon could strong spirtual connection, my be the decendants of the sun spirt after it took physical form. Just one simple to why i cant see them as the sun spirits as i should see only one spirt per aspect. We see two spirits that deal with faces, however one only steal faces while the other can change them
*sees new Avatar video on Hello Future me*
Me: WOOHOO! more avatar theories!
This video was super interesting. Tim you still need to remember to do that video on the Greek Gods' family tree from the poll two months ago. ALL HAIL MISHKA!!!!!
It's coming, I promise!
~ Tim
In the Avatar Legends ttrpg (which has canon lore) actually does hint at dragons have a connection to the spirit world. Killing a dragon causes an imbalance with the spirit world drawing spirits to that location and cause strange occurrences around the area. The imbalance created even caught the attention of the water tribes who sensed it and even sent envoys to investigate the death sites.
I think what the creators mean by the four animals being the original benders, is that they the humans learn how to use their respective bending ability from those animal's habits and their related abilities. So the Lion Turtles gave the abilities to bend the elements, while the four original benders taught humans the original basics, understandings, and fundamentals of the marital art to use that kind of bending. Then all other styles came after and were based off the original martial art forms. (Long winded, yeah, but I love avatar)
I've ever needed his channel forever
In avatar tla, the fortuneteller episode, aunt woo (the fortuneteller) tells Katara that she will have her 3rd grandchild and die quietly but in lok, she has four?!
Atomshapeshifter And you know that she was wrong about the clouds
Bumi, Kya and Tenzin ... who exactly is the fourth?
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So cool that you still research avatar!!
I really like the thought because one thing never added up:
There are three elements whose original masters are animals (fire, earth and air) and only one whose is a celestial object (the moon) eventhough that imbalance is already weird in itself the conversation between katara and zuko at the seige of the north made it even more weird. As the sun rises and zuko escapes katara he says “you rise with the moon and i with the sun“ (or something in that direction xD) but still. That would mean we have two same working elements (fire and water) but still one of them learned from the moon and the other from dragons? That just didn't make sense. But with your theory everything works out! Thanks i really enjoyed that video!
I think having the associated with stars makes more sense because then there can be multiple but it's just a minor detail but great theory
Waterbender #1: Those are some nice koi fish in this oasis pond
Waterbender #2: Yeah they've been here a while
1: How long?
2: Idk. As long as my Gran Gran can remember
1: Oh nice
I can’t remember which comic it was but we see a spirit take on a human form for her love and when she dies he thinks he killed the spirit but we later find out from the spirit herself that she didn’t die but took on a new form. Idk how well that works in the the moon and ocean spirits but just a thought
Ooh! Ooh! I know! I know where they are from! The Hidden World! You know, like the light fury!
You also forgot the Mysyery Class dragons being sorted. Here are some I thought of, along with the Unknown Class. -
Armorwing- Stoker, Boulder
Boneknapper- Fear
Buffalord- Stoker, Ancient (Possible for older, rarer dragons)
Cavern Crasher- Stoker, Toxic(Possible class for those with gas or acid)
Changewing- Fear, Toxic
Death Song- Fear
Dramillion- Stoker
Flightmare- Fear, Strikes, Toxic
Foreverwing- Boulder, Ancient
Gobsucker- Toxic
Hideous Zippleback- Fear, Toxic
Sandbuster- Boulder
Slithersong- Fear
Slitherwing- Toxic
Smothering Smokebreath- Stoker, Fear
Snaptrapper- Fear, Toxic
Sweet Death- Boulder, Fear, Toxic
Sword Stealer- Stoker, Boulder
Lycanwing- Strike, Fear, Ancient
Shadow Wing- Strike
Silkspanner- Fear
Small Shadow- Stoker, Strike
Stinger-Sharp
I know what you are talking about for that spirit video, do I get a gold star 🌟
Another neat point is that the Dragon we see in Beginnings that's training Avatar Wan has no wings, whereas the Dragons in Avatar and in Korra's time do. Maybe they didn't need wings to fly as spiritual creatures, but as physical beings they needed the wings to defy the laws of physics and fly?
On the importance of the Sun and culture, the Fire Nation takes most it's inspiration from Japan, which also holds a great importance to the Sun and holds the belief that the Japanese people are descendants of Ametarasu, Goddess of the Sun, and they're called "the Land of the Rising Sun".
I GOT THE WHAT ABOUT DRAGONS REFERENCE!!!!!!
I love this video because I can tell you did a lot of work into the video.
Just a thought since the Koi fish were the moon and ocean! Push and Pull what if the red dragon was the sun and the blue dragon was wind (air). We all know how air plays a role in the push and pull of fire 🔥 as well. I don't know just a thought. Also Zuko and Aang fire and air!
You never fail to surprise us, Tim. Iroh, I mean.
ok but what if the flying bison are the spirits of the sky and the sky is what taught airbenders how to airbend? makes sense that they'd learn from the sky itself because its wind flows dynamically around resistance like the airbender's philosophy
and what about badgermoles being the spirits of the ground and the ground taught earthbenders how to earthbend? makes sense that they'd learn from the ground itself because it's unchanging and largely immovable like the earthbender's philosophy
The image you put to describe the Mayan Sun God Kinich Ahau actually corresponds to the Aztec God Tonatiuh.
Hope this information be helpful for you. :)
Mishka is so cute right at the end. I hope his reign lasts forever! ALL HAIL MISHKA!
Im not lost anymore. Love you tim.
Ran Ran Shaw from Shaw Brothers, the Hong Kong film studio.
Theory: working under the assumption that the sun spirit(and perhaps another firebending-related spirit) became dragons, and they had offspring that spread through the world, what if that's how all the original benders came to be? Like a sky spirit became a sky bison or a mountain spirit became badgermoles? And now to split off from this, what if the moon and ocean spirits actually had offspring as well, only these offspring evolved over the many millenia that followed? *tldr: elephant koi are waterbending masters*
Not only the pronunciation but the picture isn't a Mayan god, but the Aztec god Tonatiuh (or probably the Earth Monster Tlaltecuhtli)
I kind of wish that Korra could have had a dragon spirit guide. It would have truly been an incredible aspect of the show, having a dragon teach her the true ways of fire! Also...
ALL HAIL MISHKA!
Here in the beginning of the video, I always thought Agni didn't just mean fire but was also the name of the spirit of the Sun or at least the spirit of fire itself
Maybe Ran (the red dragon) is the sun and Shaw (the blue dragon) represents the sky. Similar to how Tui and La represent the moon and ocean.
I honestly think that the dragons ren and Shaw are the sun and star spirits, and that when they reproduce they birth regular dragons, and that would explain why ren and Shaw have survived for so long, and that’s why the sun never went out while the dragons were being killed, and that the golden jewel was the last dragon born to ten and Shaw, and they have it to sulk as a gift for restoring balance.
I think that the sun spirit took the form of a dragon, and granted all other dragons the ability to fire bend. Then, as with the bison and moles, the humans learned to fire bend from the dragons- so, the sun IS the original fire bender, but it taught the dragons who then taught the humans who were gifted fire bending from the lion turtles.
That was complicated lol. 🔥🐉⚡️
I noticed a tiny detail in your video. That the dragon that Wan learns firebending from has no wings, yet the 4 other dragons we do see do have wings. So maybe the physical form of dragons have wings while the spirit forms have no wings.
Got an idea for a "On writing:" video, ways to invoke the 'Power of friendship' trope without making it obvious that you are invoking it.
I just realized another connection...in Japanese mythology, the koi and teh dragon are linked. There's a legend that if a koi can swim all the way up a waterfall, it will turn into a dragon. How did it take me this long to notice this?!
Excellent theory on the origins of Dragons in the Avatar world Tim! It is freaky brilliant! :)
If only one dragon is the sun spirit, then what’s the other? Mine is that it’s something like the Volcano/lava/magma spirit. This sun and volcano relation is pretty close to the moon and ocean relation. But it could be the lightning spirit! Since the one dragon is blue and lightning is too, it makes sense. This would also avoid the weird earth bending connection that volcanos/lava/magma have.
If you haven't done this topic yet, I'm curious about the difference between spirits like Lady Tienhai and General old Iron vs spirits like Raava and Vaatu, Tui and La, Koh, Mother of Faces, etc when it comes to having a "human form". Tienhai and Old Iron are already humanoid, which allows an easier "transition" I suppose, but if humans can ascend to become spirits (ie Painted Lady) and Tui and La are koi fish, and there are the dragons possibly being a mortal form tied to the sun spirit, can any spirit assume a human/mortal form?
I think the panda from the spirit world is one of the avatars pets
Dragons was the first thing I thought of on how Iroh got to the spirit world
i think the spirits are in essence a living being, therefore they are able to adapt to their surroundings. just because the spirits comes from the spirit world does not mean they are unable to be a material world creature. we see some attractions between spirit and their material environment in both avatar series.
Only thing that would have made this better would be if he was wearing a "but what about dragons?!" t-shirt from Shadiversity.
If the water bending could be disturbed by the death of the koi fishes, could the sun disappear if the last two dragons (probably the only ones that are really a spiritual manifestation of the fire bending) result in the same effect? As the two coifishes, it seems plausible that the only primordial spirits are the two dragons in the mountain, and that other dragon were descents or something like it.
One thing that i noticed was that the dragon that taught Wan didn't have wings unlike Ren Shaw and Druk who all had wings. I dont know what that means lol but it was an observation
The picture you show of a "Mayan sun god" was actually the Aztec calendar. Just thought you should know.
What about the white dragon from the original avatar flashbacks in LoK
But what about dragons?!!!
Find Shadiversity quick
Omg this reference to shadvserity
Has anyone noticed an increase of A:TLA videos everywhere on RUclips? I'm not complaining, I love it. Just strange how the show first aired about 13 years ago now and suddenly everyone's making videos on it.
I have to admit, I was talking about this with a friend the other day. When I started making them, nobody was doing ATLA videos. But over the last few months especially, I've noticed a lot more people doing them.
~ Tim
In the seige of the North Zuko said his bending gets stronger with the sun so it seems the sun is the source of fire, it may be that the dragons a bit like the truth seekers of wan shi tong. They are not the sun itself but assist the sun.
I usually find your humor in funny and cringe, that gag with the cat and the mouths edited over your mouth and the cats mouth was hilarious!
the reason you know that dragon teaching wan is more spirit then just animal is the way it flies most dragons have wings being what helps them fly but that dragon flew without wings at all something only a sky bison could do or even a spirit
Awesome detail
I love your avatar videos
OMG I LOVE YOUR AVATAR VIDS !!!!!!
I think the lion turtles were the creators of the avatar world, they are completely neutral beings that doesn´t represent anything, then the other spirits were created, and as the spirits of moon and ocean had the form of koi fish when they went to the material world and as Tim says probably the dragons are the sun spirits, the badgers that can bend the earth and the sky bisons are the physical representations of air and earth spirits, that´s my theory, kind of a little expansion of Tim´s one.
Tim, do a video on what happened to Sokka, I was wondering so much about it when watching Legend of Korra, but can’t quite put my finger on what happened. -All Hail Mishka!!!!!!
Sokka married Suki and had a son called Hakoda who is a waterbender. At this is what is what I have read somewhere.
Man, I wish avatar was still around as a series on Netflix or something. There's still so much more potential left in it, and I definitely think the M Night Shyamalan movie didn't help it's reputation!
The animals were the original benders because they were born with the bending. The lion turtles had to give the bending to the people which gave them the ability to bend but the animals taught them.
also zuko says that katara rises with the moon, he rises with the sun, and all the fire benders loose there bending on the solar eclips showing its connected like the water benders connection to the moon
I have an interesting question kind of related (not really), what if Lu Ten (Iroh's son) never died. Avatar critic did a video about it but I don't think his conclusions were as plausible as they could have been.
So then if all the dragons die then so dus the firebending ?
All hail lord MISHKA may he forever more be beautiful and Devine