Chyron 4044 keyboard review (Key Tronic vintage foam and foil Butterfly, linear)
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- Опубликовано: 14 июл 2017
- Skip to 9:34 for a typing demonstration.
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I'm Thomas and I do keyboard videos and reviews. Today we look at one of the most over the top things I've ever reviewed, the enormous all-steel Chyron Telesystems Model 4044. What a keyboard!
The practice sentence was: "Hello my name is Thomas and I'm typing on a Chyron 4044 keyboard right now. Holy shitballs, this thing is gargantuan! One of the most over the top keyboards I've ever seen!" 
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"A transfer button with VERY bad spelling."
"An Obama button."
This is what makes your channel great.
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Damn, wish the visual style of those keycaps would come back... They look great
There's really nothing exactly like that available these days - but Signature Plastics' SA sets are about as close as I've seen. Here's a render of a set to be manufactured late this year - already sold out I'm afraid, but I bet a few will show up on r/mechmarket if you're vigilant: i.imgur.com/Gtn6VdH.jpg
What about the MT3 Custom Keyset? There's a lot of potential there
thats a render?
As an addition to this, there's a new company called Maxkeys in China manufacturing SA profile caps. Currently the kerning on a few legends isn't amazing, and they don't support ISO, but you can get sets instantly and for fairly cheap(
FernFox 3D rendering tech is impressive af these days, so I believe it when he says it's a render.
I suspect it's for onscreen text on TV programs, since that's what Chyron is known for.
1:04 and now I know why we had a small earthquake some days ago.
Why don't they make keycaps like this any more? I've seen people say "oh, yeah, those are just SA Profile' but they're really not - or at least every modern implementation I've seen pales in comparison with these
What's up shrimp, fancy seeing you here mate.
I'd say mostly because people in the market for keycaps on their own either prefer Cherry Profile or just buy keycaps for the colors.
I'd say the closest we have to caps like these are MT3 keycaps.
@@saxwastaken Interestingly, I just bought the MT3 Dasher set!
@@AtomicShrimp are they good
@@claymoresteel yeah, they're lovely, but only abs not pbt
My first "real" tech job was using one of these at a TV station in the early 90s. I still miss it. Spent hours creating scoreboards and horizontal gradient backgrounds (it could only do horizontal gradients on it's own ... full graphics had to be imported from other sources). Then getting to be "on the air" and the one who either made or broke sports casts and news was just a plain rush. And working directly next to the director with their Grass Valley switcher (the same panel used in the first Star Wars movie for the death star controls) ... oh yeah.
If I could get a keyboard with that weight, but without the height needed to hold all the graphics components I would so love to have one again. The feel of the keys *for it's purpose*, especially on a completely immovable mass, was just fun.
those keycaps look incredible
also just out of interest, what does the blank key in the middle of the nav cluster do?
It doesn't do anything. It doesn't move; there's a plastic blocker underneath it.
@@Chyrosran22 fucking hilarious
Finally - a keyboard that ages like fine wine!
Those key caps are absolutely gorgeous
I love the glossy spherical keycaps. I wish SOMEONE would make those. No one makes glossy ones anymore.
I’d rather have rounded glossy keys than RGB.
Those keycaps are amazing! I even love the layout too with the NEXTLINE (enter) button being below the main keys.
If someone made kaycaps like that it would the push I need to invest in making my own keyboard
Millimiles LOL. You're the man, man.
This guy never misses a chance to crack a joke at 'Muricas expense haha
Do you realize the only reason we drive on the right is because after the revolution, people wanted to distance themselves from "Europeanism" so much that they changed the driving side purely out of spite?
Bahaha you gotta love it
I agree with a lot of the other commenters, your comic style has really come into its own! And this video in particular is an excellent highlight of that! Keep making great videos, Sir. We surely appreciate you!
Chyrosran you really has a good voice for Radio i mean my god man your voice is smooth as butter with some bass to it i can listen to you talk all day :)
These were the standard for TV production in the 80's replaced later by the ifinit!
The main frame was wire wrap, a real pain in the ass in a TV production truck.
Use that on Windows for a week.... Such Layout.
I like your trademarked knock tests to check the sturdiness of keyboards in your videos!
Brilliant review, thank you!
You know he's in a good mood when he actually says pounds when comparing to kilos
Whatever competition you attended, you won it with this keyboard. Oh my god … I want one!
I think this was actually used for _television_ production. I think this was probably used to throw text up on video like during the end credits, things like news tickers, closed captioning, subtitles, and other such things. It _could_ have been part of the control panel for live TV, but I actually think it's more likely to have been used for part of an editing station.
It seems to have two different key clusters for "rolling" and "advancing/ stepping" makes me thing that the "auto display" bit was for moving the tape back and forth, with the "steps" for moving frame by frame. Then the "roll/ crawl speed" section was for putting in things like _credits scrolling up screen_ at the end of the program. This would explain why that one seems more suited for setting a speed and then leaving it, meanwhile the "auto display" looks like it's for manually scrubbing back and forth to choose where to drop that text.
This would also explain why it has all these settings for things like fonts, colors, italics, "flash", and all these fine positioning controls for choosing where to drop the text in on the frame.
I thought _maybe_ it could be for something like Teletex, Teletext (similar but distinct), Minitel, or any of these other early, pre-internet computer networks/ protocols, but the text options and scrolling and all that seem too advanced for something like that, I don't think those systems had anything that fancy. I skimmed through the character sets and I didn't see anything like that, and I certainly didn't see different fonts. It also wouldn't really explain why there are so many different controls for changing positions on screen. Those systems just shot text data out either line by line or as a sort of "page" request. Television makes more sense to me, it's the only thing of the era that would need X and Y positioning (arrows) as well as a backwards and forwards.
I assume that you would edit the video with placeholder, computer-y block console text and maybe some editing marks to indicate what you were going to make, and then once you were done you would "execute", which would render prettier text on screen than the system could handle displaying on the fly. A bit like rendering 3D video is done with shit placeholder models, then you render the scene with all the fancy shaders, high-poly models, physics simulations, etc... for the final product.
It does also remind me of a much older version of the printing press control panel I saw when I was a pressman. I assume that these sorts of control panel layouts were a common base that got re-worked for different industries and then later became standards that were build upon. There's not enough other controls for aligning the different colors and pressure and speeds and the like, but it is relatively similar.
EDIT: I scrolled down and it looks like my hunch was right. Too bad it only took me 6 months to realize that other people had already answered this question 5 or 6 years ago...
Man this is beautiful. I'm in tears.
In awe at the size of this lad. Absolute unit.
Great vídeo! Keep The great job man! I say Hi from Venezuela!
I wasn't convinced that the keyboard was particularly nice until I heard the beautiful sound of the keys.
I used these keyboards for about a decade in short-form video post-production... they were one of the nicest keyboards I’ve ever used in any context.
I love the beige on brown colours. Wish there was a modern key cap colour scheme available in a similar profile resembling this.
That's a gorgeous looking keyboard. Now to get it working...
I don't know why,but I find your reviews relaxing and very satisfying. You made me buy a keyboard with cherry blue switches. Therapy for me, but annoying for everyone.
Those keycaps are very impressive!
great
now you cant flip the keyboard when you get angry
the keyboard FLIPS YOU
xD
This video is precious.
Keycaps looks absolutely gorgeous
Those keycaps... They almost look ceramic in the light as if you could flip them over and drink a sip of coffee from them.
the best keyboard i ever used came with the kurzweil i. c. r. (ocr) scanning system. in the 1980's.
the deep stroke key action was amazing! with a subtle "hard" slide sound. only way to describe it is, the keystroke sound seemed to lag slightly as i typed keys. maybe...a letter or two.
the effect was unlike any other keyboard in my experience. it was like, i would hear the returning action of a key after my finger was pressing the next key.
the solid slide feel of the downward keys was unreal. my fingers were very pleased with those keys. and the stroke sound wasn't "click". it was "ssslllliiidddeee". somewhat similar to the sound a telescope makes when you open it. a slight hissing sound.
and the keys were round. full alpha keyboard.
Awsome looking beast.
This is epic. I would build my office around this behemoth
That moment when you realize this keyboard is so heavy that even Chyro can't make a jab about the imperial system when taking about its sheer *_thiccnesse_*
Yes We Can! #CHNG
oh fucken hell
I love that "New Line" Key
Ah yes... this chyron generator was used in broadcast television back in the 70's and 80's. You would find these in the master control room next to the news set. My dad was in television for many years. They used these for graphics generators and the crawler at the bottom of your crt television.
Those keys are gorgeous.
I wonder if anyone watches Chyrosan22 just because his voice is ASMR-friendly.
Well. And here I thought my Tandem NonStop keyboard was big! It's also a Keytronic Foam 'n' Foil w/tall slider and also made of plate metal, although the top cover is a big plastic casting, so it's not quite so ridiculous. Instead, if you unscrew the screws, the plastic top piece comes off to reveal that it surmounts a plate-metal enclosure which itself has to be disassembled to actually see the insides! But it DOES have the main typing block in that delicious brown shade!
this is a shield that doubles as a keyboard, brilliant design!
Subscribed already, nice channel
0.684 millimiles! xD
Harambe's Ghost maybe bananas for scale
Harambe's Ghost, actually, “length of a football field” is a bit different for Americans
wouldn't it be the same because for football it's a "pitch" rather than a field?
He isn't imperializing right!
That is 17/25ths millimiles!
I think I'm in love . . . the perfect KB.
I love how the switch housings are actually labeled Spokane, which is where they were most likely made. I love that because it's my home town :) Also, kudos to you for pronouncing Spokane correctly. So many people pronounce it Spo-Cane.
How would you explain them if they aren't made in Spokane? Obviously that's where they're made! Nothing else makes the slightest bit of sense! 😝🥰
Watched up to 1:37 and already seriously, someone somehow should promote this to Hollywood and assorted entertainment execs. The combination of your voice and the script are over the effin top.
Edit: "An Obama button". Well. Seriously, why aren't you working in the entertainment industry?
I'm quite happy with my normal job, but thanks for the compliment ;) .
that's one awesome voice you got there, you would play an epic Bond villan.
I've been told even the way I say "hi" sounds villanous :p .
the keycap look beautifull :D
Oh wow, a Chyron titler! These things cost about $50k+, not adjusted. They created the titles and some special effects for video, but based on the date, I'd guess this was used on 1" video for broadcast. I can't recall if Chyron started with digital-optical printing for film, or not. Possibly, considering the simple XLR ports at the back, so this is only part of the whole system.
Those are the most beautiful keycaps I've ever seen. I think you can similar chocolate keycaps today for Cherry.
BTW, have you seen the IBM Type F kickstarter?
Damn, never knew these things were so expensive at the time xD . If you mean Ellipse's recreation Kishsavers, yes, I know them, but he seems reluctant for me to review them.
Hahaha bring back fuses on keyboards xD So glad I found your channel
"An Obama button" Oml I can't breathe
If you read it like "Ching", it's almost a Trump button too. Or is that the Ctrl button?
I prefer the Hillary button ("DELET MSG")
@@MrEdrftgyuji I prefer the Trump facts and reasoning button (‘SPACE’)
@@MrEdrftgyuji LMAO
those keycaps are looking delicious
Those keycaps though. They look absolutely gorgeous.
Wish they'd make modern full-sized and larger keyboards with these kind of keycaps.
Not a whole keyboard, but I believe there are kits out there that come with these. Behold! pimpmykeyboard.com/sa-1976-keyset/
I don't like the teal. Yes there was a lot of it, and a lot of brown, but they weren't paired together like that! Maybe the "nuclear green" would work.
That must be be an old production keyboard for a Telecine system. Telecine was the standard back in the day to transfer 16mm or 35mm film to VHS, Laserdisc, DVD, Blu-Ray, etc. Now of course there are much higher resolution scanners which can scan film all the way up to 12K resolution and we have advanced, easy-to-use tools to color grade built right into software. Before that, there were these keyboards which actually controlled a physical red, green, and blue light aimed at the film with which you could change the intensity of each light to create any color tint you wanted. I never got to use one of these as I was born in the 90s and got into filmmaking in the age of digital, however I shoot on 16mm, send it to be developed and scanned, then grade it myself. Now I want one of these to hook up to my Mac while I grade! I'm jealous!
It would be really interesting if you could create a video to demo the process of connecting this keyboard to a rasberry pi and create an interpreter to decode the signals from the keyboard.
Interesting idea, but I'm pretty sure it would be machine code that was of no use unless you wanted to get another keyboard to work with the Chyron Terminal.
I need those keycaps!!
I rebuilt the "tall" foam and foil switches in my Apple Lisa with a new set of foams from a vendor in Germany - they're slightly shorter than the original foams, so the switch bottoms out right at the point it actuates. It makes for a fairly good, non mushy feel.
Amazing how different the keys with lights on them are!
Do you think that replacing the foam with a piece of rubber, silicone, or maybe a foam that is closer to a rubberized type of craft foam might help make the next gen of foam and foil boards that most people hate be less shit? Would be kind of neat if some of these vintage boards could be made more useable by modern standards just by replacing the original style of foam with newer materials. Sounds like a little lithium or graphite grease might also make a big difference in fixing the "scratchy" feel I hear about...
@@Kevin-jb2pv The "overtravel foam" needs to be somewhat soft, otherwise the key won't activate with a light press. But not too soft! I got some NOS foams that are somewhat firmer, and they also give a good feel IMHO.
Look at those keycaps. *Look at them* !
The aesthetics of freshly baked biscuits with symbols & letters painted on with fresh honey.
Then finished off with a sugar gloss! Ahh i have to sit down, this is too much for my youthful buttocks.
Great - I worked on the same in the eighties :)
This has to be the funniest video about vintage keyboards ever made. "The Obama Key" ROTFL
:D
I didn't vote for it.
Lighted switches! What a flashback!
The color scheme on the keycaps is beautiful! A MassDrop designer should take note.
Is there a keyboard that has a mechanism for the key press, as a simple click, like a power button?
I want a keycap set like this.
1:06 reminded me of your HHKB review...
"I mean, it's not exactly... *THUD!*"
Its an old keyboard from a television character generator
So all this massive keyboard did was put text on people's television screens...I love it.
Faidzah Morad r u ok
Talk about a blunt instrument, this thing is a beast! The definitely don't make 'em like that anymore
yes, I'm hoping that one of the new custom keyboard companies bring this style of Key Switch back, it sounds so satisfying when these keyes are pressed.
I would love to see some new SA set in these colors....
Those fucking keycaps... Probably the nicest I've ever seen!
i have both an older and a newer keyboard with those old, tall and slightly less old foam and foil switches. both are linear
the older one is from an very old Tandberg Data Terminal with a DB25 connector, dated 11th week of 1973, and a newer Keytronic 2402-41 for IBM PC with RJ11 from '84.
do you have any idea what kind of pinout a DB25 keyboard connector could have? or the RJ11?
Awesome. That looks like it's from a video titling system.
I have a Nortel IWS operator keyboard. You should see if you could source one for a review. Mine has tons of "strangely" legened keys. Used it for 7 years when I worked for the telco. Cherry MX black.
HAHAHAHAHA OMAHGED I LOVE THIS DUDE. I'm glad I found your channel bro LOL
i saw one of these before but i couldn't get the keycap off...figured it was just too big anyway and moved on
might be cool to stick a raspberry pi in there and a screen on top
What a monster
Millimiles killed me. Nothing makes me happier then the imperimetric system.
It looks very similar to the Tandberg DTV terminals from the 70s
I need those keycaps in a normal sized keyboard.
@Chyrosran22, if you ever make it to Los Angeles, you need to check out Apex Electronics. It’s an electronics junkyard just full of (among other things) old broadcast gear, much of it with keyboards and buttons. Sadly, much of it is stored outdoors exposed to the elements, so many would need extensive restoration before their key feel could even distantly be judged. (If you decide to go, lemme know a year in advance and we’ll plan a trip to LA together, LOL!)
can you get cables so this kinda keyboard to work ? i am just looking around for one
OMG that sound when you press the keys. I just came.
We want to see the 10cm table drop!! How is that missing here?
Also, how about a drop (sound) compilation with all the keybs, or at least the more interesting ones?
He probably didn't want to buy a new table and repair the floor underneath it.
well haven't seen one of these before
Oh my god I need keycaps like that
They should do a Chyron-themed custom keycap run xD .
Chyrosran22 SA Chyron? I'm in
Right Dude Here I'm not sure SP has that gorgeous maroon / brown available :-( The profile looks a lot like the one mat3o just launched however..
Hey, I have a *very* important question if you don't mind. Where is a good place to buy Black tactile ALPS switches in small quantities? For example, I have a Dell AT101W which has been sitting, in parts, on my desk for a month now, and I desperately need to replace two switches. If you can provide a link or even a name to or of where you have purchased these types of switches before that would be infinitely appreciated!
You can buy them off eBay, Orihalcon sells them apiece.
8:30 Everyone gangsta until your keyboard has an Obama button
3:18 Bless you.
that keycap profile looks gorgeous. Anyone know anything equivalent to that i can find nowaday?
How do you clean your keyboards? I have a keyboard with similar vintage keycaps but mine aren't nearly as shiny!
Imagine if a friend asks
"Send me a picture of your setup"
And then they see this monstrosity on the desk
Holy crap
the 'enter' near the bottom under the shift is quite odd.
And there seem to be quite a few empty keys in the top right of the characters next to the P. Any idea what they would be for?
Yes, the layout is rather odd. The blank keys probably didn't do anything; blank keys were not uncommon sights on old terminal keyboards.
OMG, those keycaps are delicious