A friend of mine had a DVD player that let you play NES Contra. It ran at like 20fps, but we did almost beat it. Clearly, it was just some random brand DVD player that included a bootleg copy of Contra.
It's obviously a dead end in hindsight, but it's kind of a shame this didn't take off. Imagine getting the Doom movie on DVD and it comes with the game and you can play it right from the same disk! Tomb Raider came out in 2001, that could also have been a contender for movie/game on the same disk. Fun to imagine how things played out just one or two universes over!
The obvious comparison, and the reason this didn't take off, was the PlayStation 2, which was capable of DVD playback (Xbox did it also but not as well, and you have to buy a separate remote). A few PS2 games had movies on them (I'm thinking of Hyper Street Fighter 2 which had the animated movie on it). I think a few DVDs might have had PS2 game demos on them as well, but I might just be imagining it. The 'mixed media' concept was quite a thing with audio CDs in the 90s having stuff for PCs on track 1 or a hidden track, I'm guessing a lack of storage space prevented this happening more often with DVDs
One problem the Nuon had was what killed a lot of the competition over the years - lack of distribution. I am in Arkansas, not exactly the tech hotspot of the world, and only Best Buy carried the Nuon here. I am sure some of the various Nuon DVD players were available at other stores but only Best Buy had a dedicated "play area" to try it out and they had all 3 or 4 games available for play on 8 or 9 units. No other stores carried the games, accessories, etc and I am not even sure they carried the Nuon enhanced DVD players themselves. Merlin Racing was actually pretty decent, it shows what the Nuon can do with 3D if given enough development time. It is still low frame rate but much better than what we are seeing here in this fan port of Doom. If someone with the knowledge took on this port I am pretty sure they could get it running decently enough. It would never be 30 or even 60 FPS though.
nuon was a cool idea, i wanted to believe in it but waaaay out of my price range out of the time. cool to see doom running on it, choppy but still impressive. Thanks for making this video!
@@Blas4ublasphemy right, but only a handful of collectors have them since they never released retail. It's never really going to get a homebrew scene in that regard
@@archive3do769 That's a shame IMO. I'd like to see what it would have been capable of beyond the racing game, fighting game and tech demo. It seemed between N64 and DC in terms of graphical power. Neo Geo 64 is another that would be really cool to see attempted ports to.
It was a quad core processor but where its really interesting is that the architecture is 128bit VLIW so it had instruction level parallelism of 32bit words. With that it could theoretically process 16 instructions per clock cycle. This is why the single 54mhz chip could handle pretty much everything on the system including GPU related tasks.
"Long before it was popular"... the website *it plays doom* was active around then, with a long list of home appliances that could play it. A year later i had it on my phone (Nokia 7650).
It's so funny to me that games that were once technical powerhouses can now be played on literally everything. See ya in 2050 when we can play Cyberpunk 2077 on max settings with RTX on a microwave
Sólo tengo una pregunta, el hardware para reproducir VÍDEO en un dvd player, ¿no debería suficiente para MOSTRAR a DOOM a 30fps? Ya que un DVD Player mayoritariamente es una GPU dedicada a REPRODUCIR Y MOSTRAR audio/vídeo o me equivoco? Saludos.
The closest we have gotten is someone making a game called Atlantis that uses Doom elements. I believe the closest we could get is a Doom like rather than a port of Doom to the CD-i. Even that may be a stretch.
Considering the NUON was a quad core processor it would be interesting to see if they could multithread the renderer across the other cores and get the performance up. Heck even run the game code and BSP tree on a single core and just have the other three do the pixel grunt work. I don't know, there might be some limit to the engine that would make that difficult to achieve.
@Jabjabs most likely, this code was just running on a single 54mhz core, and by my limited understanding, you could kind of go any which way that you liked with the chip - so potentially there were several ways that you could get it to work better. Now I also wonder about Doom 64...
Yeah it can run better, even with this port. You need to increase the boarder size to get a decent frame rate. Is there no options menu? Edit: Yes, there is an options menu. (Saw it in a different youtube video.) Try increasing the boarder size. I'm curious, as is this might run just as good as the 32x port as is.
It's too bad the fallout from Nuon's failure were drawn out lawsuits and secret settlements to never utter the name again or their involvement. It's so cursed nobody who worked on it can talk about it basically.
Dunno why you get to angrily declare that the Aries 3 isn't 4 core? The PDF for the Aries 3 is available. At the heart of the NUON architecture are four processors, known as MPEs (or NUON Media Processor Elements). These are VLIW processors with five function units, and each processor has its own private program and instruction memory. They run at up to 108 MHz, and can execute a maximum of five instructions per clock cycle...
They were, but the NUON was sold first and foremost as a high-end DVD player that could also play video games, as opposed to the other way around like consoles were with the PS2.
@@ThePhobos100 it wasn't actually running on the pregnancy testers hardware itself, it was only using the screen, and most of the shots we seen was not even using the testers screen as the screen used in tester is entirely monochrome. the game was running on something like a raspberry pico that was connected to the screen and put into the testers case.
Why would anyone take on this challenge, firstly you'd have to own the hardware and secondly you'd expect people out in the wild to own one and be able to try it out. Otherwise what would be the point. You're probably one of the only people in the world who would want it, and even if a coder spent a weekend or two optimising it for you, you'd make a single video on it and never touch it again.
There's a small NUON community out there and a couple of new games are launching at the end of this year. Around 6 or 7 NUON-enhanced DVD players were made back in the day that could support it, which is far more production numbers than I've seen on some devices that DOOM has been ported to. Otherwise, it's just saying it in good fun to the NUON community. Relax.
For those curious if changing the screen size affects anything, here you go: ruclips.net/video/q9xQV4ne-DQ/видео.html
A friend of mine had a DVD player that let you play NES Contra. It ran at like 20fps, but we did almost beat it. Clearly, it was just some random brand DVD player that included a bootleg copy of Contra.
I had a portable player, like the foldable one with a 7 inch screen, that had a dedicated joystick and was able to run NES games at around 25~30 FPS.
What model were you two using
It's obviously a dead end in hindsight, but it's kind of a shame this didn't take off. Imagine getting the Doom movie on DVD and it comes with the game and you can play it right from the same disk! Tomb Raider came out in 2001, that could also have been a contender for movie/game on the same disk. Fun to imagine how things played out just one or two universes over!
The obvious comparison, and the reason this didn't take off, was the PlayStation 2, which was capable of DVD playback (Xbox did it also but not as well, and you have to buy a separate remote). A few PS2 games had movies on them (I'm thinking of Hyper Street Fighter 2 which had the animated movie on it). I think a few DVDs might have had PS2 game demos on them as well, but I might just be imagining it. The 'mixed media' concept was quite a thing with audio CDs in the 90s having stuff for PCs on track 1 or a hidden track, I'm guessing a lack of storage space prevented this happening more often with DVDs
One problem the Nuon had was what killed a lot of the competition over the years - lack of distribution. I am in Arkansas, not exactly the tech hotspot of the world, and only Best Buy carried the Nuon here. I am sure some of the various Nuon DVD players were available at other stores but only Best Buy had a dedicated "play area" to try it out and they had all 3 or 4 games available for play on 8 or 9 units. No other stores carried the games, accessories, etc and I am not even sure they carried the Nuon enhanced DVD players themselves.
Merlin Racing was actually pretty decent, it shows what the Nuon can do with 3D if given enough development time. It is still low frame rate but much better than what we are seeing here in this fan port of Doom.
If someone with the knowledge took on this port I am pretty sure they could get it running decently enough. It would never be 30 or even 60 FPS though.
nuon was a cool idea, i wanted to believe in it but waaaay out of my price range out of the time. cool to see doom running on it, choppy but still impressive. Thanks for making this video!
Here's your chance to learn coding and become known as the guy who did Doom on the Nuon justice.
Too busy
@@iratanongrata5973edison never was "too busy"
@jizzmoat6520 that's great, but I'm not Edison. Guess that makes me a disappointment to the world, oh well.
@@iratanongrata5973 Don't let your memes be dreams.
This, the Pippin and the 3DO hardware sequel (M2?) need some homebrew love IMO. Maybe Tomb Raider on all three using openlara?
3do has a fair amount of homebrew
@@archive3do769 Yeah but not the Panasonic M2.
@@Blas4ublasphemy right, but only a handful of collectors have them since they never released retail. It's never really going to get a homebrew scene in that regard
@@archive3do769 That's a shame IMO. I'd like to see what it would have been capable of beyond the racing game, fighting game and tech demo. It seemed between N64 and DC in terms of graphical power. Neo Geo 64 is another that would be really cool to see attempted ports to.
It was a quad core processor but where its really interesting is that the architecture is 128bit VLIW so it had instruction level parallelism of 32bit words. With that it could theoretically process 16 instructions per clock cycle. This is why the single 54mhz chip could handle pretty much everything on the system including GPU related tasks.
"Long before it was popular"... the website *it plays doom* was active around then, with a long list of home appliances that could play it. A year later i had it on my phone (Nokia 7650).
A lot of people here are claiming that they ran emulators or NES emulators on their DVD player and yet they hadn't named the model
I mean, if it had a little bit more time put into this port, it'd indeed probably be WAY better
Interesting, I sometimes wonder what DVD players or "digi-boxes" like we have in the UK (for getting Freeview TV) can run. Thanks for the video.
It's so funny to me that games that were once technical powerhouses can now be played on literally everything. See ya in 2050 when we can play Cyberpunk 2077 on max settings with RTX on a microwave
In a way we kind of ended up with what Nuon was trying to do with things like the fire stick. Watch movies and play simple games
This makes Saturn Doom look like it’s running on a 4090
Sólo tengo una pregunta, el hardware para reproducir VÍDEO en un dvd player, ¿no debería suficiente para MOSTRAR a DOOM a 30fps? Ya que un DVD Player mayoritariamente es una GPU dedicada a REPRODUCIR Y MOSTRAR audio/vídeo o me equivoco?
Saludos.
DVD players kind of were what Philips wanted the CDI to be. I wonder if anyone ever made a port for Doom on the CDI.
The closest we have gotten is someone making a game called Atlantis that uses Doom elements. I believe the closest we could get is a Doom like rather than a port of Doom to the CD-i. Even that may be a stretch.
I love the NUON! :)
i love how you just gave up on the second secret, that fps really does look unplayable. Did it have the screen size options?
I think so but didn't remember to try to see if it plays better in Stamp View mode ;)
Damn that thing is more choppy than my old 75mhz rig
After seeing this, I wanna see _Doom_ on a Philips CD-i.
It will probably be a slideshow with the underpowered CPU it has.
With a 15 MHz CPU that'll be a challenge.
Considering the NUON was a quad core processor it would be interesting to see if they could multithread the renderer across the other cores and get the performance up. Heck even run the game code and BSP tree on a single core and just have the other three do the pixel grunt work. I don't know, there might be some limit to the engine that would make that difficult to achieve.
@Jabjabs most likely, this code was just running on a single 54mhz core, and by my limited understanding, you could kind of go any which way that you liked with the chip - so potentially there were several ways that you could get it to work better. Now I also wonder about Doom 64...
@@iratanongrata5973 I didn't realize this was on the 54Mhz variant, there is a lot of room to move on both multi threading and clock rate.
Still better than SNES port
Yeah it can run better, even with this port. You need to increase the boarder size to get a decent frame rate. Is there no options menu? Edit: Yes, there is an options menu. (Saw it in a different youtube video.) Try increasing the boarder size. I'm curious, as is this might run just as good as the 32x port as is.
I got Doom running on a pair of socks last night
Noice!
It's too bad the fallout from Nuon's failure were drawn out lawsuits and secret settlements to never utter the name again or their involvement. It's so cursed nobody who worked on it can talk about it basically.
The frame rate is on its death bed
This reminds me of those DVD players that tried to sell themselves as game consoles. And yes, they all suck.
That's exactly what the NUON was
Better then the snes version🤣
I think it’s safe to say it runs at a base framerate of ~8 fps?
2:00 NOT QUAD CORE! Most likely. It's like calling the Pentium 3 quad core because of SSE. The 128 bit part is probably SIMD.
That's why I said "basically" as it isn't quite that but at the same time it is. VML never was super clear on that
Dunno why you get to angrily declare that the Aries 3 isn't 4 core? The PDF for the Aries 3 is available.
At the heart of the NUON architecture are four processors, known as MPEs (or NUON Media Processor
Elements). These are VLIW processors with five function units, and each processor has its own private program and instruction memory. They run at up to 108 MHz, and can execute a maximum of five
instructions per clock cycle...
@@whickervision742 Oh, so it IS quad core all along. Interesting indeed. Surprised they didn't make it SIMD instead of VLIW.
Xbox 360 games were also DVD's.
They were, but the NUON was sold first and foremost as a high-end DVD player that could also play video games, as opposed to the other way around like consoles were with the PS2.
Cool
3:39 It showed the mega armor message again. Did DOOM have a key to show the most recent message again? Did you trigger that here, or is this a bug?
Yeah it could be a bug - I noticed there was no in-game music either.
How do you play it? Using the remote controller?
Supposedly you could do that, although I didn't try that, lol. I just used a NUON controller (the Logitech one)
They do have standard controllers (they even say what they was using in the video).
You got this idea from scott the woz's video didn't you?
@@HammMann no clue which video that is, so no
could it run on a digital radio?
Well, if the digital radio is set up like a low end tablet then yeah
@@madmax2069 Apparently someone ran it on a cash machine and a pregnacy test thing.
@@ThePhobos100 it wasn't actually running on the pregnancy testers hardware itself, it was only using the screen, and most of the shots we seen was not even using the testers screen as the screen used in tester is entirely monochrome. the game was running on something like a raspberry pico that was connected to the screen and put into the testers case.
@@ThePhobos100 most cash machines are just using mini PCs running windows.
@@madmax2069 yeah on the screen
When I played DOOM on 3DO it gave me visual motion sickness.
And here I thought nothing would top Where's The Cheat
Why would anyone take on this challenge, firstly you'd have to own the hardware and secondly you'd expect people out in the wild to own one and be able to try it out. Otherwise what would be the point. You're probably one of the only people in the world who would want it, and even if a coder spent a weekend or two optimising it for you, you'd make a single video on it and never touch it again.
There's a small NUON community out there and a couple of new games are launching at the end of this year. Around 6 or 7 NUON-enhanced DVD players were made back in the day that could support it, which is far more production numbers than I've seen on some devices that DOOM has been ported to.
Otherwise, it's just saying it in good fun to the NUON community. Relax.
You talk way too much
You can always push that magical mute button and Enjoy The Silence.
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