Operation Cinder makes no sense for Palpatine to create because his arrogance didn't allow for him to think he could lose, and dying of old age wasn't something he planned on doing either as established in RotS
Actually operation cinder was meant to root out and destroy the weak and the defiant, only leaving those who would do anything for the emperor. It’s ingenious from a villains point of view. Then in the rise of skywalker he should have used his star destroyer fleet to destroy every core city in every planet, heavy bombardment. those who survive will submit to him, or perish with the rest. Truly what a waste of a good story.
@@albertomartins4409you’re giving far too much credit to Disney, they clearly just wanted Palpatine to do something evil that also explains as to how there’s basically no Imperial presence in the sequel trilogy
He’s arrogant not stupid he knew that there could be a possibility that he could be killed because he knew of the chosen one but he actually didn’t know when or who it was
@@danstalter seriously!!! Like why is he so amazing ?? I love his on screen acting almost everytime i see him. Cant think of once i didnt enjoy his characters/roles
I still say this was a dumb plot device, EU Palps was far smarter, why burn it if you're just gona respawn a few years later. edit: about the only point behind Cinder was to drive out any without blind loyality, which was left the imperial remaint far weaker so noone could claim the throne.... which was stupid because it just wasted resources and hastened the new republics growth.
The way I see it; operation cinder was a contingency to benefit palpatine in the long term with a couple of objectives. In the event of palpatines death, he would retreat to exegol to regenerate himself (another contingency) but he figured that the empire would continue to exist without him or that his death would be as a result of a coup to seize power. Operation cinder was conducted to not only select troops/officers fiercely loyal to him, but also fracture what’s left of the empire, cause panic for the new rulers and undermine core imperial worlds that would stand a chance of bringing order or a succession to the empire. This is so that when Palpatine rises again with a new empire (like the one he built on Exegol) whatever galactic republic/empire that confronts him would be weaker.
Stupid Disney... they went from creating the best cartoons, especially during the 90's, to creating bad plots that need to be explained and still make no sense... LEGENDS seems the way to go. RIP.
I never liked this arc in the story, I'm a pro imperialist. I enjoy killing rebel scum. But I'm always disliked how willing some of the higher ups of the empire are to kill their own people and I don't see this as a good move nor something that palpatine would do it's too short-sighted.
This is all fine and dandy but why are not people talking about Ad Astra? A sequel must be made. I am so mad of the pandemic. A group of us would go to the cheap theatre every Saturday and pay $4 to watch the movie. The theatre kept it running for us every weekend since there was 20-25 of us. We actually broke a record being the longest theatre Ad Astra was played in across the entire planet by a huge margin! We ran almost 2 years longer in the theatre than when it was commercially released! What an accomplishment and COVID ruined that. Now I want an Ad Astra 2. Comon folks!!! It only costs $15 bucks for a movie, if we are all willing to pay that, we can make this dream come true! Ad Astra 2 would be amazing,! Ad Astra is the best movie since Star Trek the Voyage Home and I want it to keep being successful. An Ad Astra video game would be sweet too where you can fight pirates on the moon and lazer blast those dam chimps! Think about it, who is with me?
For anyone who thinks Operation Cinder was stupid of Palpatine, I have a counter. First, it determines who are the right people to join the First Order. The successor to the Empire was in a sense a purer and more fanatic version of the Empire, not filled with people who would grow a conscience and betray or spill secrets of the Empire. This was rooting out dissent before the First Order was born. Secondly about destroying worlds he have to conquer again. The plan involves the First Order forming in the Unknown Regions, so these worlds aren’t their problem for years. And the New Republic will have to spend time repairing these worlds, which is bound to be a drain on the economy. And while Operation Cinder turned the galaxy off of the Empire, the First Order planned to just make the New Republic look bad by showing the government bring unable to fight back against small threats. Basically the First Order uses the playbook of Palpatine when he was forming the CIS.
And to think this was merely half of Palpatine's final contingency plan. While, the Imperials were prepping for the Empire's return, their Emperor were preparing for the Sith's return.
what was stupid of palpatine was trying to control the whole galaxy with military instead of manipulation. He could've ruled for eternity if only he actually focused on developing the worlds and caring for imperial citizens more than just in the core worlds. Himself being the sole ruler the emperor could've ignored all politics and create decrees that improve the galaxy as a whole and make it better than what it was during the corrupt republic, making everyone a loyalist and securing his reign, and painting the jedi as the bad ones far more efficiently therefore this whole operation cinder and its potential benefits are irrelevant at its core as the whole ideology is flawed palpatine being the skilled manipulator and politican already knows all that but star wars needs a villain it seems
Operation Cinder makes no sense for Palpatine to create because his arrogance didn't allow for him to think he could lose, and dying of old age wasn't something he planned on doing either as established in RotS
Actually operation cinder was meant to root out and destroy the weak and the defiant, only leaving those who would do anything for the emperor. It’s ingenious from a villains point of view.
Then in the rise of skywalker he should have used his star destroyer fleet to destroy every core city in every planet, heavy bombardment. those who survive will submit to him, or perish with the rest.
Truly what a waste of a good story.
@@albertomartins4409you’re giving far too much credit to Disney, they clearly just wanted Palpatine to do something evil that also explains as to how there’s basically no Imperial presence in the sequel trilogy
@@justadummy8076 it’s basically lazy writing
Imagine if this and the Imperial Warlords happened at the same time??
He’s arrogant not stupid he knew that there could be a possibility that he could be killed because he knew of the chosen one but he actually didn’t know when or who it was
Loved Bill Burr in the mandalorian mentioning this 👍🏻
If Breaking Bad and The Mandalorian taught us anything, it's that fans enjoy seeing Bill Burr in unexpected scenarios 💪🔥😎💯💥
@@danstalter seriously!!! Like why is he so amazing ?? I love his on screen acting almost everytime i see him. Cant think of once i didnt enjoy his characters/roles
Palp seemed to do better in legends
love this stuff bro fills the gaps between the movies/ games
I still say this was a dumb plot device, EU Palps was far smarter, why burn it if you're just gona respawn a few years later.
edit: about the only point behind Cinder was to drive out any without blind loyality, which was left the imperial remaint far weaker so noone could claim the throne.... which was stupid because it just wasted resources and hastened the new republics growth.
The same new Republic that demilitarized.........
The way I see it; operation cinder was a contingency to benefit palpatine in the long term with a couple of objectives.
In the event of palpatines death, he would retreat to exegol to regenerate himself (another contingency) but he figured that the empire would continue to exist without him or that his death would be as a result of a coup to seize power.
Operation cinder was conducted to not only select troops/officers fiercely loyal to him, but also fracture what’s left of the empire, cause panic for the new rulers and undermine core imperial worlds that would stand a chance of bringing order or a succession to the empire.
This is so that when Palpatine rises again with a new empire (like the one he built on Exegol) whatever galactic republic/empire that confronts him would be weaker.
Stupid Disney... they went from creating the best cartoons, especially during the 90's, to creating bad plots that need to be explained and still make no sense... LEGENDS seems the way to go. RIP.
Disney’s bad writing.
Nah, it's dumb anyway
I dont understand the point of destroying vardos
LONG LIVE THE EMPIRE
The empire did nothing wrong.
Long live the empire!!!!
I never liked this arc in the story, I'm a pro imperialist. I enjoy killing rebel scum.
But I'm always disliked how willing some of the higher ups of the empire are to kill their own people and I don't see this as a good move nor something that palpatine would do it's too short-sighted.
So edgy lol
Thisis such dumb lore
This is all fine and dandy but why are not people talking about Ad Astra? A sequel must be made. I am so mad of the pandemic. A group of us would go to the cheap theatre every Saturday and pay $4 to watch the movie. The theatre kept it running for us every weekend since there was 20-25 of us. We actually broke a record being the longest theatre Ad Astra was played in across the entire planet by a huge margin! We ran almost 2 years longer in the theatre than when it was commercially released! What an accomplishment and COVID ruined that. Now I want an Ad Astra 2. Comon folks!!! It only costs $15 bucks for a movie, if we are all willing to pay that, we can make this dream come true! Ad Astra 2 would be amazing,! Ad Astra is the best movie since Star Trek the Voyage Home and I want it to keep being successful. An Ad Astra video game would be sweet too where you can fight pirates on the moon and lazer blast those dam chimps! Think about it, who is with me?
This is a Star Wars video. Who cares about ad astra?
What if Operation Cinder and the Imperial Warlords happened at the same time??
For anyone who thinks Operation Cinder was stupid of Palpatine, I have a counter.
First, it determines who are the right people to join the First Order. The successor to the Empire was in a sense a purer and more fanatic version of the Empire, not filled with people who would grow a conscience and betray or spill secrets of the Empire. This was rooting out dissent before the First Order was born.
Secondly about destroying worlds he have to conquer again. The plan involves the First Order forming in the Unknown Regions, so these worlds aren’t their problem for years. And the New Republic will have to spend time repairing these worlds, which is bound to be a drain on the economy. And while Operation Cinder turned the galaxy off of the Empire, the First Order planned to just make the New Republic look bad by showing the government bring unable to fight back against small threats. Basically the First Order uses the playbook of Palpatine when he was forming the CIS.
Oh snap
And to think this was merely half of Palpatine's final contingency plan. While, the Imperials were prepping for the Empire's return, their Emperor were preparing for the Sith's return.
what was stupid of palpatine was trying to control the whole galaxy with military instead of manipulation. He could've ruled for eternity if only he actually focused on developing the worlds and caring for imperial citizens more than just in the core worlds. Himself being the sole ruler the emperor could've ignored all politics and create decrees that improve the galaxy as a whole and make it better than what it was during the corrupt republic, making everyone a loyalist and securing his reign, and painting the jedi as the bad ones far more efficiently
therefore this whole operation cinder and its potential benefits are irrelevant at its core as the whole ideology is flawed
palpatine being the skilled manipulator and politican already knows all that but star wars needs a villain it seems