A few days later… Dejounte Murray trade
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- Опубликовано: 1 июл 2024
- It’s been a few days since Dejounte Murray was traded from the Atlanta Hawks to the New Orleans Pelicans.
A move that makes a ton of sense for one side and leave a big question mark for the other…
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Little to no mention of Dyson Daniels is a major oversight. Coming into his 3rd year and ranked top 3 in most stats as a POA defender. He’s going to be a difference maker
Thats a valid criticism. I like him as a prospect. But he’s just that. A prospect. He played 20 mins a game last year and was out of the rotation come playoff time. My thoughts on the hawks are simply that it feels incomplete. If they’re going for a youth movement. Then I like it more. But I feel like I need to see what they do next to gauge how I feel about adding a prospect and picks in this deal.
I believe the desire is to take hard core lanky wings and improve their shooting ability with Kyle Korver as the shooting development coach. It worked with JJ, Murray, and OO last season. The last of which being his first time making 3's int he NBA. I thin Dyson Daniels is being eyed to enter this program and possibly make him scary as a 3and D wing over time.
What you need to consider about the Hawks is that we're not contending next season. There's no point in making a splash to fight for a playoff position, so it makes perfect sense to take a step back and see what you have in Risacher, Jalen, Bufkin, etc.
In reality, we're probably a better team next season than we were last season just by moving Murray. Trae/Murray lineups were the worst lineups we had, we were much worse than the sum of our parts.
The path forward is pretty simple: build around Trae (which we are doing by getting Daniels and Risacher), and try to develop Jalen Johnson into an all-star.
Win-win trade imo.
I can’t argue with anything you said. But if that’s the direction they are indeed moving then I expect more moves are coming. Hunter, Bogey, Capela if they can finally make that happen. Doesn’t have to be all of them. It just doesn’t feel like they’re done. So I’m not going to judge a process that I believe is incomplete.
@@who.won.sports Yeah, I also would be pretty underwhelmed if this is all they do. Keep up the good work btw, really liked your channel
if hawks wanted to spend money we could be contenders next year 😂😂. hawks are cheap
Really like the Murray fit in New Orleans.
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I bet you do. My Hawks just accept anything. 😢
I actually think the Hawks need to add a stretch 4. The Hawks were successful when they had Gallanari at the four position, because it gave Trae shooters around the perimeter when he penetrated. Trae has taken a step back and seems like he’s abandoned his inside the paint floaters which made him very dangerous early in his career.
This starting lineup still doesn’t give him the outside presence to allow him to create. Risacher seems like a high percentage 3 point shooter with decent handles. I would actually play him at the 2. I would bring Jalen Johnson to the 3 and this lineup would mirror the early Warriors (Steph,Klay, Iggy). If you add a stretch 4, the Hawks would be cooking. Again, think players such Gallanari type player. KAT, Should be perfect but too risky with the amount of value he’d command in a trade. They could look for a cheaper version in Kyle Kuzma, Bobby Portis or Jeremiah Grant, but that would still put them around a 5-7 seed in the east until Risacher develops.
If you go back to the 2021 Hawks run at the ECF, Trae made the Hawks dangerous by confusing the defenses . He would penetrate almost 60 percent of the possessions and either hit a floater, make a pass to Huerter,Gallanari,Collins, Tony Snell or Bogi. He was surrounded with shooters which allowed him to create.If Risacher is as deadly from 3 as anticipated, acquiring one of the players above might be all Trae needs as a facilitator. Bufkin, Bogi, Dyson, Hunter, Nance would come off the bench which would bring scoring and elite defense to keep leads close
Is Jalen enough of a shooter? 35.5% on 3.6 attempts during a breakout year. Seems to me that he’s the stretch 4 you’re describing and you’d be hoping to find a shooter at the 3.
@@who.won.sports Perhaps he could. If we leave him at the 4 as a stretch then the Hawks should go get someone like Harrison Barnes.
Murray should be better defensively in Nola because he shouldn’t have as much offensive responsibility.
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Won't have as much defensive responsibility either. He'll now defend the 2nd best perimeter player bc of Herb.
@@whitewolf288 which should also make him better on defense
@@corbin1150 Absolutely. Which in turn will help herb too. Very excited to watch them two work. They're number 1&2 in steals the last 3 seasons.
Herb jones will start over Cj sooner than later.
Sooner might honestly be now. They have to figure out the Ingram piece. But Murray, Herb, Murphy, Zion and a center might be the way they go. But even if so, CJ would play starter minutes of the bench.
Trae / Daniels / Risacher / Johnson / Capela is a pretty interesting starting 5 around Trae. That's a lot of length, and hopefully defense, with a bench of Bufkin / Bogi / Hunter / Nance / OO it could be fairly deep too . . . with defense. It'll be interesting to see if Kobe can develop and if Trae can be the modern day AI.
I just don’t have a handle on it. It feels two timeline-y to me right now and incomplete.
Some moves support a youth movement. Others are cutting youth.
Splitting up Murray and Trae was a necessary first step, but I think this is more like a 12 step program than a 1 and done.
@@who.won.sports I'd expect Hunter and Capela to get moved at some point, but after that it feels like a 1-timeline projection to me.
I would add Bogey to that trio. And what they prioritize for the return is. But I agree. I would lean toward this being a youth movement around Trae but TBD.
@@who.won.sports I'm not so sure about Bogi. He's had a lot of moments next to Trae, and he's been able to lead the offense at time. I kind of thing one of the big things the Hawks have been missing is a vet who's willing to get a little dirty when teams get rough with Trae. That's not been Bogi's role, but I could see him taking it on a bit, while also being the offensive focal point off the bench.
We need a high assist in nola
9 per game his last year in San Antonio. Still managed 6+ per game in Atlanta next to one of the most ball dominant guards in the league. For context CJ’s best assist year ever was under 6.
Hawks win. We got the lakers pick , cleared cap , and we simply gave up on a fit that wasn’t it . Dyson Daniel’s and nance are good trade pieces if need be as well . Yes dj helps the pelicans . But I don’t think they win more than 1 round in the really good west.
If this thing is heading for a youth movement I’d say they did well particularly considering getting off that fit as you said. I think it’s going to take another move or two to really make this one come into focus for me.
@@who.won.sports I get that
A few days later, everyone think Dyson Daniels is THAT Guy. Fee days ago, ppl thought the hawks got a bag trail mix and that actor named Tyson beckford
He’s a good prospect. Good defender. Has to learn to shoot. Long way to go to become THAT GUY
No one thinks Daniels is going to do it all by himself in the but with what he bring’s added to no 1 R,JJ, healthy O,and T’ distribution / scoring ability already they are better than last year, if they can relatively healthy
Run Herb at the 2 and ship CJ and BI for Lauri.
I’d have to look. Utah would have to find a TON of money to send back to the Pels in that deal I think. John Collins could probably do it. But regardless I don’t see why Utah would have any interest. They’re clearly rebuilding, they wouldn’t want to pay BI and CJ is just another small scoring guard to add to their back court of small scoring guards except he’s much older.
Dj on ball defense is not what anyone thinks but having Herb and Murphy will help a lot but Dj doesn't navigate screens well at all
I’m not going to pretend that I’m spending every night crunching hawks defensive tape. I just imagine in a better defense he’ll look better, be a disrupter and have more to offer on that end because he will have more talent around him.
Murray defense didn't slip cut it out.. Murray was playing beside Trae who didn't play no defense & Murray was trying to help him on his man
Naw MURRY defense slipped but that’s because he was asked to be the primary defender against shooting guards and he is too small to do that full time
Why can't it be the coach? Four players defensively fill off. I think it the coach 🤔
I don’t know where the fall off really was. This team has only been better than a bottom 3-5 defense (usually bottom 3) twice in Trae Young’s career. And they were 18th and 22nd those years.
Watch the game, and Shaquille said, "Why are the Hawks pushing the pace? They have yong players? I thought for a second. 🤔 🤔He is white. You speed up the game. Is it a type of defense ? Some teams take bad shots, or they get tired? That's why I think it is the coaching? He has a type of system he wants to play. Don't have the players to play it?
Zion will be hurt when it matters, so who cares?
Murray defense didn't slip cut it out.. Murray was playing beside Trae who didn't play no defense & Murray was trying to help him on his man
I didn’t say it slipped. It just hasn’t been what we thought it could be when he was coming up in San Antonio. That guy looked like he could become a perennial All Defensive team guy on the perimeter. He hasn’t been that and probably won’t reach that level. That doesn’t mean he’s a bad defender. And as I said in the video, nobody looked good in that ATL defense. I’m predicting that he’ll be a good defender in New Orleans even if he isn’t in the “best defenders in the league” category.
@@who.won.sports how can you play real defense, when the other guy you playing beside taking logo shots that's leading to long rebounds & run outs.. not caring about possessions affects defensive rating.. playing with Trae affected his defensive game
@@chadalexander292man please Murray was getting spun around all year. He’ll definitely be better now that he can guard point guards and other guard size players instead of bigger wings. Bad fit in Atlanta
@@geraldsmith1916 Murray wasn't a bad fit dude, Trae just can't play without the ball & couldn't evolve his game.. if Trae not dribbling he can't help in no other way.. Murray wasn't the problem.
@@chadalexander292 Trae is the guy you building around then trading for Murray makes no sense. You can dislike like Trae and admit this was a poor decision to trade for another ball dominate PG. wasted 2 years of time and 3 first on something that was destined to fail, it’s not Murray or Trae fault, this was just bad business, was never going to work with a small backcourt on defense smh