When I was a Jehovah's Witness, I remember thinking how us reading magazines every Sunday did not feel like enough and that it was something i could simply do at home. It was not worship. Becoming Catholic made me realize what true worship is
Ex-JW, now a Catholic here as well. It was the Eucharist that made me convert. Like you, the "worship" of the JWs and their subsequent theology was far too surface-layer and empty. Not to mention quite blasphemous when looking into their "Memorial" version of the Last Supper
@@Thedisciplemike Yes! And realizing they changed the scripture to say "this means my body" instead of "this IS my body". It's dishonest on their part
@@marcinraczkowski963 when death comes, after comes the judgement! the soul leaves the body, and the dead await their resurection! They're no longer in this world and can not communicate with the living nor the living with them, so what can they do for you? Only Jesus can do what the dead can't not, even the church, or your religion, acts 4:12! Salvation is about life, eternal life, not about death or the dead, some of which allready reached that promise and have moved on from this world! That's why there is but, one life, one death and after death, one judgement? there is no such thing as pergatory, since that is a catholic delusion invented by who else but a catholic? Catholic idols show a dead Christ, and if you see a (so called) protestant cross, there is no dead Christ on there, but an empty cross signifying a risen Christ! Big difference between death and worshiping death, and worshiping the living Christ?
Requiem Aeternam dona eis, Domine: et Lux Perpetua luceat eis. Libera animas omnium fidelium defunctorum de poenis inferni, et de profundo lacu: sed signifer Sanctus Michael repraesentet eas in lucem sanctam. Amen
The Sacrifice of the Mass was, from my research, one of the most universal beliefs of the Early Church, even more than Infant Baptism. When one would assert the Eucharist, they would always call it a Sacrifice, one specifically offering the Elements to God. Saint Paul even taught this isln 1st Corinthians when comparing the Lord's Supper as our equivalent to the Sacrifice of Idols. It's a subtly powerful argument, and doesn't really have the 'well this one Father didn't, so it's okay' and neither can it really be interpreted in any manner other than the offering of the Transubstantiated elements, unless you want to try Martin Luther's whole crap about 'ERRM ACTUALLY, the Sacrifice is the stuff we put into making the Mass possible, not the Mass itself.' It's ridiculous.
No, this is the content that brings people who live amongst Protestants to the Catholic Church. Protestant here, I admire the Catholics as they are the first church. But to pretend that Protestants are lost sheep is a silly thought. What about your brothers in Eastern Orthodoxy?
@@brycesakal3717 I was raised Protestant and yes, I was a lost sheep. And the EO are also in schism, and have abandoned some Apostolic truths that are found in the Catholic Church alone. The Filioque for example, which the EO deny, is all over the early Church, and I mean EVERYWHERE.
@@matthewoburke7202 I know. But the EO don’t deny the Filioque for no reason. They have very specific theological arguments against it. That at this time I cannot quite recall. Same with Protestants. They have deep theological disagreements with Catholics it isn’t on a whim. But I stand by my original comment. Protestants and EO are not lost sheep. Nor, in my mind, are Catholics lost sheep or misguided by Protestant standards. I just stand on the side of, if Jesus is the lord of your life and you deeply care for your relationship with God, he will call you to the denomination he sees fit. No one is called to be Catholic, Protestant, or Orthodox, we are called to be Christ’s followers.
Fantastic video!! I'd love to see a follow up video that explains how we laity can better/properly participate in the Sacrifice of the Mass for the good of our souls and intentions.
Not op, but the most basic way is to look up the rubrics for the laity! Paying attention to and following along with the “Catholic calisthenics” (funny nickname for the standing, sitting, kneeling routine), the laity’s responses, singing along with any hymns being used, etc. But you can also whisper or mentally pray your own private prayers at any point, and there are also usually devotional prayers in your missal for before or after Mass/receiving Our Lord, for thanksgiving and adoration and penance, etc. You can also make it a habit to intentionally offer yourself in spirit to the Father alongside the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, alongside Christ.
For from the rising of the sun to its setting my name is great among the nations. Everywhere incense and a pure sacrifice are offered to my name. For my name is great among the nations, says the Lord of hosts.
This is a clear and excellent presentation of the Mass. Please don’t detract from the overall effect by misspelling appearance, separation, and several other words which could have been rectified by using your spell-checker or a dictionary.
If the Eucharist is merely a Thanksgiving, It is a rather strange and complicated way to say, “Thank you, Lord.” When I want to thank my friend for giving me something, I don’t make a sacrifice to him. Where? In the back yard?
Great video!! Sometimes your videos are over my head, but I found this one perfectly understandable!! There are two topics I'd really like to see you cover. Firstly, this was sort of mentioned in the video, but I'd like more detail explaining why the mass is not re-crucifying Christ but re-offering the same sacrifice (so I have some more ammunition in arguments against anti-Catholics). Secondly, I'd like to know at what point media becomes unacceptable for a Catholic to partake in, for example there are many songs that I'm unsure cross the line in terms of lyrics and I haven't been able to quite figure it out. Or what about a video game or story where a church obviously based on the Catholic Church is the enemy but it's not actually the Catholic Church. I think this would be a topic that would help a lot of people, but it doesn't seem to be a concern for many I have talked to.
Are you able to supply the text for Venerable Pius XII's condemnation of the Immolation being the eating of the Elements? Modern scholars will often try and use this argument (Brant Pitre does in his book on the Jewish Roots of the Eucharist). This would be helpful for us laymen who may enter into these discussions, such as myself.
The Holy Eucharist is a presence sacrament, a communion sacrament, and a scarfice sacrament. Teaching of Pope St. John Paul 11. Seat of Wisdom, pray for us.
Hi brother. I'm a college student who converted to Roman Catholicism after studying some theology. How do you respond to the protestant defense of Sola Scriptura which says you don't need the church to determine the canon of the scripture because people in the old testament didn't have the magisterium yet aggreed aupon the scripture?
Simple. Just ask them where scripture in the sola scriptura came from. God didn't magically hand bible down to anyone. Many members of early catholic Church compiled the bible. So if bible was created by the church and bible is considered true, then what is the point in telling that church rules are false. That would make their argument self contradicting
THE JEWS DID NOT AGREE ON SCEIPTURE. That is where this Protestant argument went wrong. There were several groups of Jewish people that disagreed on which books were scripture. You have samartians who broke off pf the Jewish people, you have Pharisees with oral tradition, sadducees who only accept a few books, and Essenes who likely accepted the deuterocanonical books.
I learned most of this when I was a child from the Baltimore catechism well before the council. One cannot blame today’s Catholics for a lack of knowledge of either transubstantiation or the sacrificial nature of the Mass. Most Masses ( Novus Ordo Missae) emulate protestant communion services in which the community is celebrated, and people eat bread and drink wine in remembrance of Jesus.
So this is the accommodation in NOVIS ORDO masses were every Tom Dick and Harry are handing out bread and wine under the pretence of it being the consecrated EUCHARIST??
what does separation of body and blood mean? Does it mean that if you just beat a sheep to death with no bleeding and put it on the altar that no sacrifice occurred?
At 16:00 the infant Christ is laid down. Is that Christ in the scriptures? If so, that is pretty remarkable, because, if I recall, St. Martin Luther called scriptures the manger in which Christ is laid.
There is the single consecration mentioned for the host, where Christ is present with or without the precious blood. If there is no consecration of the wine/blood, and there is no mystical sacrifice, is the host still a sacrament?
I’ve been thinking about the mass as a sacrifice a bit lately… that Jesus’s one sacrifice is perpetually available to us as a guilt or peace offering without every needing to be re-sacrificed. Protestants think of this as a one and done for all the things they did or will ever do… but it seems Catholics treat it as something we can continually offer as our needs require. Is this what this theology is getting at?
Gen. 14:18 - this is the first time that the word “priest” is used in Old Testament. Melchizedek is both a priest and a king and he offers a bread and wine sacrifice to God. Psalm 76:2 - Melchizedek is the king of Salem. Salem is the future Jeru-salem where Jesus, the eternal priest and king, established his new Kingdom and the Eucharistic sacrifice which He offered under the appearance of bread and wine
20:57 Spelling error at the second instance of the word 'Mediation', misspelled as 'Mediaiton'. 23:45 Sacrament not SacrEment. 28:14, 28:42 Separation not SepEration. Ok I'll stop now, there's more but I don't want to imply that I've negated the very good work you've done.
I just went over with my freshmen class the difference between prayer and worship, and how worship really comes down to sacrifice. Def wasn’t something I learned in Catholic high school so I’m trying to bring it up with my students. This video will help
Although is a good explanation of Catholic theology of the Mass, it appears to fall short in undercuting worship as practiced in a Protestant church (going off the provocative thumbnail). Catholic theology does not limit worship to only the sacrifice of the mass. “When the Church prays, whether the Mass or Liturgy of the Hours, it makes an offering in imitation of Christ. As St. Paul reminds us, “Offer yourselves as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God-this is your true and proper worship” (Rom. 12:1). All worship, therefore, has a sacrificial element, whether overt or not. Though sacrifice can be expressed in different ways, worship is participation in the sacrifice of Christ.” - Father David Endres Professor of Church history and historical theology at Mount St. Mary’s Seminary & School of Theology
I don't know. Is the word "cognitive dissonance," I feel? I went to high school back in the 1960s, and you remind me of some football guys I knew. One in particular had your type of hair and he was beefy, popular with the girls, and guys looked up to him. I was on the football team but I was out of place, scrawny-thin, a running back. But actually I was bookish. I was not a sports type and only joined the team to impress a girl. Did not exactly get her. I read my way to covert to Catholicism. My years in high school were lonely and I was subject to depressions. Anyway, what I mean is, for my personal experience, you don't have the look of someone who would be interested in religion. But of course that is nonsense for me to say. Throughout my high school I can't recall any student interested in religion (other than a Jehovah's Witness). I'm sorry if I say wrong, but I very much admire your knowledge. God bless you through your life! Good video!
@@carsonianthegreat4672 it is though, God commanded it as worship in the OT. And St Thomas affirms this It satisfies the criteria laid out in the video. Not trying to be antagonistic but that is the truth. I appreciate you trying to answer I have asked before and been told this is done in a sacramental nature not as a sacrifice. But I still feel discontent with this response without better defense/explanation of it tbh
@@RedRoosterRomanyou make good points. You could try asking it in the next livestream? Clearly incense to saints is not idolatry, because it was done licitly in both the old and new testaments. (Also things like pouring wine on graves was done licitly, or creating ex voto offerings for saints). So clearly something must distinguish these acts from true sacrifice to God. I just don’t know what it is.
Thank you for this interesting video. I donot think that you mentioned, that Christ in the Mass is a Living Sacrifice, He does not die, noe suffer, for He is risen, ascended, glorified. Secondly, Christ is not only Offerer and Victim, He is also - as God The Son - Receiver of the Sacrifice, together with the Father and the Holy Ghost. When you say that the Sacrifice placates the wrath of God, i hope that you do not mean this in the heretical protestant sense of Penal Substitution. For on the Cross God the Son gave up the life of his assumed human body, yes, as a Sacrifice, but not to appease the Fathers anger towards Him. God gave up His Life most of all out of love for mankind ("no greater love has a man than to give his life for his friends") in order to defeat the power of Death and Sin, which He literally did by descending into Hades to free the Souls there and bring them to Heaven, amongst other things.
How do we understand a mystical immolation even though the body and blood of Christ is fully present in the bread and the wine? Does this mean we have to take communion in both kinds to feast on both Christ’s body and blood?
I'm Catholic. I don’t understand the sacrificial action. How does our belief that the bread is the "body, BLOOD, soul and divinity" of Jesus square with your explanation of separation of the blood from the body, in the sacrificial action? Remember at the NO mass, only the 'dry' wafer is distributed to the laity is most instances. The transubstantiated wine is consumed exclusively by the priest. I've understood that the bread and wine both individually consist of the "body, blood, soul and divinity" of Christ. So perhaps, my understanding here is wrong. Please correct me. This question could easily be weaponised by a cluey and knowledgeable objector.
Depends on the Church. We at the Catedral get both Eucharist (bread) and Blood (wine). But I have been to small churches that also have the wine also. Most people receive just the host... So optional
@@richardcastro1276 Based on my current understanding, it doesn't matter if the transubstantiated bread alone is presented for consumption. However, based on Wagner's explanation, it could be a theological problem.
@@okj9060 Thank you, for both understanding my question and providing the perfect response. I hope Wagner takes the time and makes the effort to clarify and confirm this to be his understanding.
Yeah I was wondering the same thing a few months ago and this is the only explanation I found so far (on sensum fidelium). Another thing that’s also confusing is how we receive the resurrected Christ in communion. I suggest you look into that as well.
No, because they do not have a valid priesthood. Except in cases where a validly ordained priest apostasizes and becomes an Anglo-Catholic, as long as he uses proper form and matter, HIS Masses would be valid
Can someone clear something up for me? If immolation occours because the body and blood are seperated, then how can we be said to receive the Body and Blood when receiving under one species?
@@trinxty6099 Pretty sure that was answered in the video. He mentions the mystical immolation of Body and Blood (maybe the specific term used was different, I haven't watched the video in a while, but iirc he addressed that).
Is the celebration of mass and eucharist for the forgiveness of sins? So like, a replacement of yom kippur? We no longer have to be Jewish and attend yom kippur with a Jewish high priest in Jerusalem temple and slaughter lambs for the forgiveness of sins. We get the best sacrifice/worship in any mass any place on the planet? It's now made available to every nation, tribe and tongue? If someone rejects the mass, are they not also rejecting the forgiveness that it provides? Matthew 26:27-28 NRSV-CI [27] Then he took a cup, and after giving thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you; [28] for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins." Drink from this cup of my blood for the forgiveness of sins! In the Old Covenant Jews would have to bring an animal for sacrifice to the temple priest to shed blood and cover sins. In the New Covenant Jesus is the priest and offering by combining his self as the pascal lamb and the bread and wine of the Melchizedechian order at the Christian altar. So how do we participate in that cup of the blood of the New Covenant ? How do we get it applied to us to cover sin? Just believe...thinking about it in our minds? Or John 6 and Last Supper commands?
To me, the Mystical Immolation being the consecration seems minimalistic, and strange when one would also hold to concomitance. Firstly, Christ's Blood and Body were separated prior to the completion of his Immolation on the Cross at the ninth hour, as early as the Scourging. The Consecration would be more likely the mystical beginning of his passion, when the Body and Blood have begun to be separated, with the raising of the Elements with the invocation 'Per ipsum, et cum ipso, et in ipso, est tibi Deo Patri omnipoténti, in unitáte Spíritus Sancti, omnis honor et glória per ómnia sǽcula sæculórum' being the point of Christ's rising of the Cross, and the Breaking of the Bread being the Mystical 'breaking' of Christ's Heart as it was pierced by Longinus, completing the Immolation of his Body by the splitting in half of his Most Sacred Heart. Secondly, by concomitance, isn't the Blood of Christ Present in the Bread, and likewise the Bread in the Blood? How can the Mystical Immolation be at the point of the Consecration, if the Consecrated host has both the Body and Blood? How can there then be a Sacramental separation, if the Accidents, the Body and Blood, are present in both? Of course, by Sacrament we mean there is a sign of the separation, but we also confess that there is a Unity in the Sign, by the fact that under the Sign both the body and blood are present. Ultimately, yes, because Saint Thomas held it, it is most definitely the safest position to hold in terms of when the Immolation happens, but seems to be Mystical incoherent. How can the Immolation happen prior to what is seen by many to be the Mystical raising of Christ on the Cross, that being at the Elevation of the Elements before the Our Father. Do we have any other Holy Doctors who believed this to be the case? Scotus? Saint Bonaventure? Saint Anselm? Hugh of Saint Victor? Even if they just inferred "hey, I agree with Aquinas," or their position aligning best with Saint Thomas'? Or do we see that any other Schools held to this? Suarez and the Jesuits? The Scotist? Augustinians? Saint Thomas Aquinas is the Common Doctor, and so it is safe to hold all things he posited, but Science of Theology is not simply found in saying "Aquinas said so, so thus its true" but understanding the Scholastic process, of which Saint Thomas often provides to be a powerful mind within, peering ever so deep into the Theology that few minds have peered so far. And I find his argument for the Immolation being at the Consecration lacking.
This isn’t “just the teaching of St. Thomas,” it’s the teaching of Pius XII. As I explained in the video, the “mystical” element refers to the proper signs being sacramentally shown forth with the presence of the realities…so, there is not “trouble with concomitance,” since it is about the proper signs (remember the analogy I gave with the movie?). It seems like you’ve completely missed the point on this one and then pontificated about your preferred theological method, which was strange…
@@MilitantThomist My argument wasn't solely of concomitance, and rewatching and reading your comment shows me that its a misunderstanding on my part. That's my mistake. However, just because Venerable Pius XII excluded the position of the Immolation being at the point of communion does not mean that it is at the point of Consecration, just as the asserting that Christ isn't the Father doesn't then follow that he isn't God. A exclusion of Theological position does not lead to the asserting of one of the alternatives. However, he did assert within the Encyclical Mediator Dei that: " The unbloody immolation at the words of consecration, when Christ is made present upon the altar in the state of a victim, is performed by the priest and by him alone, as the representative of Christ and not as the representative of the faithful." While one could argue that this is not itself the assertion of Doctrine, it is proper instead to not poke holes and give Religious Assent to the Holy Pontiff. While would like to find out more from my own research to gather a more informed position, I publicly dissent from my former position.
Great video. If St Robert Bellarmine thought the immolation of the sacrifice of the Mass was eating the Eucharist, did he think we couldn't keep the Eucharist in the Tabernacle after Mass for Adoration?
Jesus is our high priest, ordained priests the ordinary priesthood & the people are the universal priesthood. Only the Catholic & Orthodox Churches have validly ordained priests in the unbroken line of apostolic succession
No we just had this in the mass readings a while ago. CCC 1240-1241 1240 In the Latin Church this triple infusion is accompanied by the minister's words: "N., I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." In the Eastern liturgies the catechumen turns toward the East and the priest says: "The servant of God, N., is baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." At the invocation of each person of the Most Holy Trinity, the priest immerses the candidate in the water and raises him up again. 1241 The anointing with sacred chrism, perfumed oil consecrated by the bishop, signifies the gift of the Holy Spirit to the newly baptized, who has become a Christian, that is, one "anointed" by the Holy Spirit, incorporated into Christ who is anointed priest, prophet, and king. [Cf. RBC 62] [1294, 1574, 783] www.ncronline.org/blogs/peace-pulpit/we-are-priests-prophets-and-kings We take on a very small portion as the article states of being a priest by participating in the mass. Of being a prophet by sharing our Catholic life and the Word... etc. The way the Protestants use these words, is in the negative sense. Like see we are all priests, so you don't need to confess your sins to a priest. Listen to their objections they vary of course. We Catholics know we cannot be priest in the sense we can confess anyone or consecrate bread & wine. Hopefully, I am explaining myself somewhat we are to follow Jesus in our limited ways. But we must contribute to the Church by doing our own individual Priest, Prophet and King part. Not like Jesus obviously, not the our priest, not like a real prophet and not like a real king. Let me give maybe like more practical examples. We act like priest by encouraging others to go to confession (by the way go to confession, if you haven't); remember God loves you; go to mass... see I did my priestly bit. Now let me do my Prophet bit... we really shouldn't judge others or we will be judge Matthew 7 : 1-5, so stop judging your cousin. See just did my Prophety duty... by quoting something appropriate... and this is the hard one for some of us doing the Kingly bit. And it is typically, when we are fighting with others because of how they hurted us. The way we do our kingly duty is by showing them mercy and forgiving them for what they did to us. See we do those within our human limits. Like some Protestants might see this, but they typically don't think like that at all. You know they got rid of the sacraments, so they don't need priest. You know some of them consider their pastors the prophets ( some pastors think they are prophets, specicially the ones on TV, I prayed to God and he told me the money will be there to buy _____ and I needed to do was ask. Anyways, you get the picture. Very different type of thinking.
You said that the act of immolation is the separation of the Body and Blood. I am unsure what you mean by this. Don't both the bread and wine both become Body and Blood?
Its a sacramental, not a real, division of body and blood. Just as we dont actually kill Him in every Mass. The substance of the victim is wholly contained under each species.
Martin Luther would not agree. His famous 'The Babylonian Captivity of the Church' would denounce the view that the Mass is a Sacrifice Offered, in any manner.
@@TheRecapitulaitionist bro, i know how you guys believe, you know how we guys believe… i was just saying that evangelicals need to come back to the assurance of the sacrament of the altar.
When I was a Jehovah's Witness, I remember thinking how us reading magazines every Sunday did not feel like enough and that it was something i could simply do at home. It was not worship. Becoming Catholic made me realize what true worship is
Ex-JW, now a Catholic here as well. It was the Eucharist that made me convert. Like you, the "worship" of the JWs and their subsequent theology was far too surface-layer and empty. Not to mention quite blasphemous when looking into their "Memorial" version of the Last Supper
@@Thedisciplemike Yes! And realizing they changed the scripture to say "this means my body" instead of "this IS my body". It's dishonest on their part
My dad used to tell me I had to make a bigger deal of prereading the magazine, otherwise people might think I was lukewarm.
@marvalice3455 awe man i remember that.
I'm glad you came home.
This one’s gonna be so fire, i can feel it
You weren't wrong!
this is easily the best youtube apostolate. No bs. Just good, solid, holy, Thomistic theology
your channel is heavily underrated tbh
so true
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Pray for the souls of people who passed away recently
Pray to only God, the dead are dead, and awaitting the resurection of the dead!
@@louisvega-oe2sc keep coping
@@marcinraczkowski963 when death comes, after comes the judgement! the soul leaves the body, and the dead await their resurection! They're no longer in this world and can not communicate with the living nor the living with them, so what can they do for you? Only Jesus can do what the dead can't not, even the church, or your religion, acts 4:12! Salvation is about life, eternal life, not about death or the dead, some of which allready reached that promise and have moved on from this world! That's why there is but, one life, one death and after death, one judgement? there is no such thing as pergatory, since that is a catholic delusion invented by who else but a catholic? Catholic idols show a dead Christ, and if you see a (so called) protestant cross, there is no dead Christ on there, but an empty cross signifying a risen Christ! Big difference between death and worshiping death, and worshiping the living Christ?
Requiem Aeternam dona eis, Domine: et Lux Perpetua luceat eis.
Libera animas omnium fidelium defunctorum de poenis inferni, et de profundo lacu: sed signifer Sanctus Michael repraesentet eas in lucem sanctam. Amen
@@john-paulgies4313 too bad that the majority of Americans understand English and not gibberish?
This is so sigma
Thank you!
Go watch Allen parr if you want sigma
This is Alpha and Omega.😎
What is sigma??
Sigma is skibidi slicers 💯
Truly doing the Lord’s work, God bless you and your kin Christian.
Gratias tibi pro hoc video. Benefaciat vobis Deus et Domina nostra custodiat te. Amen.
Dominus noster 😂
Pray for all people who suffer
Incredible. Simply incredible.
Credible, not Incredible
The Sacrifice of the Mass was, from my research, one of the most universal beliefs of the Early Church, even more than Infant Baptism. When one would assert the Eucharist, they would always call it a Sacrifice, one specifically offering the Elements to God. Saint Paul even taught this isln 1st Corinthians when comparing the Lord's Supper as our equivalent to the Sacrifice of Idols.
It's a subtly powerful argument, and doesn't really have the 'well this one Father didn't, so it's okay' and neither can it really be interpreted in any manner other than the offering of the Transubstantiated elements, unless you want to try Martin Luther's whole crap about 'ERRM ACTUALLY, the Sacrifice is the stuff we put into making the Mass possible, not the Mass itself.' It's ridiculous.
Pray for a baby named Bozhidar
Just systematically go in depth through all the aspects one by one please sir
Yessir
Great video, this is the content that converts Protestants and brings them back home
No, this is the content that brings people who live amongst Protestants to the Catholic Church. Protestant here, I admire the Catholics as they are the first church. But to pretend that Protestants are lost sheep is a silly thought. What about your brothers in Eastern Orthodoxy?
@@brycesakal3717 lost sheep
@@SaltAndLight1027 lol okay. Have you ever been to a Protestant church?
@@brycesakal3717 I was raised Protestant and yes, I was a lost sheep. And the EO are also in schism, and have abandoned some Apostolic truths that are found in the Catholic Church alone. The Filioque for example, which the EO deny, is all over the early Church, and I mean EVERYWHERE.
@@matthewoburke7202 I know. But the EO don’t deny the Filioque for no reason. They have very specific theological arguments against it. That at this time I cannot quite recall. Same with Protestants. They have deep theological disagreements with Catholics it isn’t on a whim. But I stand by my original comment. Protestants and EO are not lost sheep. Nor, in my mind, are Catholics lost sheep or misguided by Protestant standards. I just stand on the side of, if Jesus is the lord of your life and you deeply care for your relationship with God, he will call you to the denomination he sees fit. No one is called to be Catholic, Protestant, or Orthodox, we are called to be Christ’s followers.
W Skyrim soundtrack
It’s Morrowind cuh
Thank you for the videos you make. May God bless you and your loved ones
Fantastic video!! I'd love to see a follow up video that explains how we laity can better/properly participate in the Sacrifice of the Mass for the good of our souls and intentions.
Not op, but the most basic way is to look up the rubrics for the laity! Paying attention to and following along with the “Catholic calisthenics” (funny nickname for the standing, sitting, kneeling routine), the laity’s responses, singing along with any hymns being used, etc. But you can also whisper or mentally pray your own private prayers at any point, and there are also usually devotional prayers in your missal for before or after Mass/receiving Our Lord, for thanksgiving and adoration and penance, etc. You can also make it a habit to intentionally offer yourself in spirit to the Father alongside the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, alongside Christ.
As soon as you mention the word "sacrifice" Protestants go "ballistic".
W Video (haven’t seen yet but bro doesn’t miss)
Catholics colloquially call the Mass "The Sacrifice of the Mass", but there's definitely a lot of Catholics who don't know what that mean.
Informed and helpful perspective
Thank you for getting into the weeds of Eucharistic theology. It was something I loved mare the more I tried to understand it. I have a lot to learn.
Skyrim music? I'm here for it!
haha I immediately noticed it too. The ambience of Skyrim is great for calming the mind for these kind of theological videos.
This will be superb.
For from the rising of the sun to its setting
my name is great among the nations.
Everywhere incense and a pure sacrifice
are offered to my name.
For my name is great among the nations,
says the Lord of hosts.
Thank you for providing further reading 🙏🙏
real ( I haven't seen the video yet, but i know it's going to be another W Wagner vid).
W Saturday morning premiere 🫖🗿🧏♂️
Waiter,Waiter! More good documentaries on important subjects with good sources please!
Really appreciate this video.
Just dropping by to say great thumbnail!
THANK YOU MR. WAGNER !!!!!
The fact this man isn’t massive on RUclips is a shame
Aspect to go over: the completion of the Sacrifice at the reception of the chalice by the presiding priest.
This video is really going to help me understand the Mass so much better now
Oh my goodness thank you for this video it’s a great explanation super precise, I thank you for this as I share with many ❤️❤️🙏
This is a clear and excellent presentation of the Mass. Please don’t detract from the overall effect by misspelling appearance, separation, and several other words which could have been rectified by using your spell-checker or a dictionary.
Epic production quality
Much better production. Keep it up
SO TRVE (haven't watched yet)
Superb video
If the Eucharist is merely a Thanksgiving, It is a rather strange and complicated way to say, “Thank you, Lord.” When I want to thank my friend for giving me something, I don’t make a sacrifice to him. Where? In the back yard?
Eucharist means thanksgiving, but the Holy Mass is much more including a propitiatory sacrifice.
Great video!! Sometimes your videos are over my head, but I found this one perfectly understandable!! There are two topics I'd really like to see you cover. Firstly, this was sort of mentioned in the video, but I'd like more detail explaining why the mass is not re-crucifying Christ but re-offering the same sacrifice (so I have some more ammunition in arguments against anti-Catholics). Secondly, I'd like to know at what point media becomes unacceptable for a Catholic to partake in, for example there are many songs that I'm unsure cross the line in terms of lyrics and I haven't been able to quite figure it out. Or what about a video game or story where a church obviously based on the Catholic Church is the enemy but it's not actually the Catholic Church. I think this would be a topic that would help a lot of people, but it doesn't seem to be a concern for many I have talked to.
I second this pls
Best video you've done imo
Can you make a documentary on what the Catholic view is on the Law/ Gospel Distinction? What the difference is and how each interact with the other!
the title has changed four times since this was streamed
Great video
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Excellent
W music. Takes me back
81 likes but only 13 comments? Curious.
1.4 billion Catholics but only 15 thousand subscribers? Curious.
great video! little spelling mistake: 28:05 separation!
Absolute banger
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Are you able to supply the text for Venerable Pius XII's condemnation of the Immolation being the eating of the Elements? Modern scholars will often try and use this argument (Brant Pitre does in his book on the Jewish Roots of the Eucharist). This would be helpful for us laymen who may enter into these discussions, such as myself.
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Wish this was taught during the homily
What about the consummation of the sacrifice? Isn’t that communion? How does communion have to do with this?
Thanks so much for this
Please tell about how our death relates to Sacrifice, and the Eucharist. Thanks!
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When you play grammar policeman to your superchatters but then say, “We’ve went…”🙄
Make small videos on all of these topics PLEASE! Priests need this.
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The Holy Eucharist is a presence sacrament, a communion sacrament, and a scarfice sacrament. Teaching of Pope St. John Paul 11.
Seat of Wisdom, pray for us.
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Hi brother. I'm a college student who converted to Roman Catholicism after studying some theology. How do you respond to the protestant defense of Sola Scriptura which says you don't need the church to determine the canon of the scripture because people in the old testament didn't have the magisterium yet aggreed aupon the scripture?
Simple. Just ask them where scripture in the sola scriptura came from. God didn't magically hand bible down to anyone. Many members of early catholic Church compiled the bible. So if bible was created by the church and bible is considered true, then what is the point in telling that church rules are false. That would make their argument self contradicting
THE JEWS DID NOT AGREE ON SCEIPTURE. That is where this Protestant argument went wrong. There were several groups of Jewish people that disagreed on which books were scripture. You have samartians who broke off pf the Jewish people, you have Pharisees with oral tradition, sadducees who only accept a few books, and Essenes who likely accepted the deuterocanonical books.
@@okj9060 yes but ultimately they agreed?
I learned most of this when I was a child from the Baltimore catechism well before the council. One cannot blame today’s Catholics for a lack of knowledge of either transubstantiation or the sacrificial nature of the Mass. Most Masses ( Novus Ordo Missae) emulate protestant communion services in which the community is celebrated, and people eat bread and drink wine in remembrance of Jesus.
So this is the accommodation in NOVIS ORDO masses were every Tom Dick and Harry are handing out bread and wine under the pretence of it being the consecrated EUCHARIST??
what does separation of body and blood mean? Does it mean that if you just beat a sheep to death with no bleeding and put it on the altar that no sacrifice occurred?
At 16:00 the infant Christ is laid down. Is that Christ in the scriptures? If so, that is pretty remarkable, because, if I recall, St. Martin Luther called scriptures the manger in which Christ is laid.
There is the single consecration mentioned for the host, where Christ is present with or without the precious blood. If there is no consecration of the wine/blood, and there is no mystical sacrifice, is the host still a sacrament?
I have a question guys, can be Christ be present in protestantism? Like Lutheranism,
Anglicanism.
I’ve been thinking about the mass as a sacrifice a bit lately… that Jesus’s one sacrifice is perpetually available to us as a guilt or peace offering without every needing to be re-sacrificed. Protestants think of this as a one and done for all the things they did or will ever do… but it seems Catholics treat it as something we can continually offer as our needs require. Is this what this theology is getting at?
Gen. 14:18 - this is the first time that the word “priest” is used in Old Testament. Melchizedek is both a priest and a king and he offers a bread and wine sacrifice to God.
Psalm 76:2 - Melchizedek is the king of Salem. Salem is the future Jeru-salem where Jesus, the eternal priest and king, established his new Kingdom and the Eucharistic sacrifice which He offered under the appearance of bread and wine
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Spelling error at the second instance of the word 'Mediation', misspelled as 'Mediaiton'.
23:45 Sacrament not SacrEment.
28:14, 28:42 Separation not SepEration.
Ok I'll stop now, there's more but I don't want to imply that I've negated the very good work you've done.
I just went over with my freshmen class the difference between prayer and worship, and how worship really comes down to sacrifice. Def wasn’t something I learned in Catholic high school so I’m trying to bring it up with my students. This video will help
Although is a good explanation of Catholic theology of the Mass, it appears to fall short in undercuting worship as practiced in a Protestant church (going off the provocative thumbnail). Catholic theology does not limit worship to only the sacrifice of the mass.
“When the Church prays, whether the Mass or Liturgy of the Hours, it makes an offering in imitation of Christ. As St. Paul reminds us, “Offer yourselves as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God-this is your true and proper worship” (Rom. 12:1). All worship, therefore, has a sacrificial element, whether overt or not. Though sacrifice can be expressed in different ways, worship is participation in the sacrifice of Christ.”
- Father David Endres Professor of Church history and historical theology at Mount St. Mary’s Seminary & School of Theology
Yes, I mention this point when going over the various analogues of sacrifice.
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What is the difference between a god and a ghost?
A god is given divine honors; the immolation of sacrifice.
No sacrifice, no god, no worship.
Is that a Pennsylvania or Maryland accent?
I don't know. Is the word "cognitive dissonance," I feel? I went to high school back in the 1960s, and you remind me of some football guys I knew. One in particular had your type of hair and he was beefy, popular with the girls, and guys looked up to him. I was on the football team but I was out of place, scrawny-thin, a running back. But actually I was bookish. I was not a sports type and only joined the team to impress a girl. Did not exactly get her. I read my way to covert to Catholicism. My years in high school were lonely and I was subject to depressions. Anyway, what I mean is, for my personal experience, you don't have the look of someone who would be interested in religion. But of course that is nonsense for me to say. Throughout my high school I can't recall any student interested in religion (other than a Jehovah's Witness). I'm sorry if I say wrong, but I very much admire your knowledge. God bless you through your life! Good video!
How does "Summa Theologica, II-II, Question 84, Article 3," and this theology square with Nicea II supporting "offering incense to icons"?
@@RedRoosterRoman because incense is not a divinely commanded sacrifice to deity, if I had to venture a guess
@@carsonianthegreat4672 it is though, God commanded it as worship in the OT.
And St Thomas affirms this
It satisfies the criteria laid out in the video.
Not trying to be antagonistic but that is the truth. I appreciate you trying to answer
I have asked before and been told this is done in a sacramental nature not as a sacrifice.
But I still feel discontent with this response without better defense/explanation of it tbh
@@RedRoosterRomanyou make good points. You could try asking it in the next livestream?
Clearly incense to saints is not idolatry, because it was done licitly in both the old and new testaments. (Also things like pouring wine on graves was done licitly, or creating ex voto offerings for saints).
So clearly something must distinguish these acts from true sacrifice to God. I just don’t know what it is.
@@carsonianthegreat4672 yeah.
I was thinking it could be akin to oil anointing a pillar, or blood sprinkled on things.
Will do :)
@@RedRoosterRoman he answered the question at the very end of his most recent stream
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Thank you for this interesting video. I donot think that you mentioned, that Christ in the Mass is a Living Sacrifice, He does not die, noe suffer, for He is risen, ascended, glorified. Secondly, Christ is not only Offerer and Victim, He is also - as God The Son - Receiver of the Sacrifice, together with the Father and the Holy Ghost. When you say that the Sacrifice placates the wrath of God, i hope that you do not mean this in the heretical protestant sense of Penal Substitution. For on the Cross God the Son gave up the life of his assumed human body, yes, as a Sacrifice, but not to appease the Fathers anger towards Him. God gave up His Life most of all out of love for mankind ("no greater love has a man than to give his life for his friends") in order to defeat the power of Death and Sin, which He literally did by descending into Hades to free the Souls there and bring them to Heaven, amongst other things.
So true
What in the Hawktober is this introduction song!?
How do we understand a mystical immolation even though the body and blood of Christ is fully present in the bread and the wine? Does this mean we have to take communion in both kinds to feast on both Christ’s body and blood?
Not at all! His Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity are fully present, whole and entire, in both species of the Eucharist
I'm Catholic. I don’t understand the sacrificial action.
How does our belief that the bread is the "body, BLOOD, soul and divinity" of Jesus square with your explanation of separation of the blood from the body, in the sacrificial action? Remember at the NO mass, only the 'dry' wafer is distributed to the laity is most instances. The transubstantiated wine is consumed exclusively by the priest.
I've understood that the bread and wine both individually consist of the "body, blood, soul and divinity" of Christ. So perhaps, my understanding here is wrong. Please correct me.
This question could easily be weaponised by a cluey and knowledgeable objector.
Depends on the Church. We at the Catedral get both Eucharist (bread) and Blood (wine). But I have been to small churches that also have the wine also. Most people receive just the host...
So optional
@@richardcastro1276 Based on my current understanding, it doesn't matter if the transubstantiated bread alone is presented for consumption.
However, based on Wagner's explanation, it could be a theological problem.
The species are separated into body (with blood soul and divinity) and blood (with body soul and divinity).
@@okj9060 Thank you, for both understanding my question and providing the perfect response.
I hope Wagner takes the time and makes the effort to clarify and confirm this to be his understanding.
Yeah I was wondering the same thing a few months ago and this is the only explanation I found so far (on sensum fidelium).
Another thing that’s also confusing is how we receive the resurrected Christ in communion. I suggest you look into that as well.
Can Anglo-Catholics have a valid sacrifice?
No, because they do not have a valid priesthood. Except in cases where a validly ordained priest apostasizes and becomes an Anglo-Catholic, as long as he uses proper form and matter, HIS Masses would be valid
Can someone clear something up for me? If immolation occours because the body and blood are seperated, then how can we be said to receive the Body and Blood when receiving under one species?
Because in the Eucharist, Christ's Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity are fully present.
@garfieldodie3106 but if in the host Body and Blood remain united then where is the immolation?
@@trinxty6099 Pretty sure that was answered in the video. He mentions the mystical immolation of Body and Blood (maybe the specific term used was different, I haven't watched the video in a while, but iirc he addressed that).
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Is the celebration of mass and eucharist for the forgiveness of sins? So like, a replacement of yom kippur? We no longer have to be Jewish and attend yom kippur with a Jewish high priest in Jerusalem temple and slaughter lambs for the forgiveness of sins. We get the best sacrifice/worship in any mass any place on the planet? It's now made available to every nation, tribe and tongue?
If someone rejects the mass, are they not also rejecting the forgiveness that it provides? Matthew 26:27-28 NRSV-CI [27] Then he took a cup, and after giving thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you; [28] for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins."
Drink from this cup of my blood for the forgiveness of sins!
In the Old Covenant Jews would have to bring an animal for sacrifice to the temple priest to shed blood and cover sins. In the New Covenant Jesus is the priest and offering by combining his self as the pascal lamb and the bread and wine of the Melchizedechian order at the Christian altar. So how do we participate in that cup of the blood of the New Covenant ? How do we get it applied to us to cover sin? Just believe...thinking about it in our minds? Or John 6 and Last Supper commands?
To me, the Mystical Immolation being the consecration seems minimalistic, and strange when one would also hold to concomitance.
Firstly, Christ's Blood and Body were separated prior to the completion of his Immolation on the Cross at the ninth hour, as early as the Scourging. The Consecration would be more likely the mystical beginning of his passion, when the Body and Blood have begun to be separated, with the raising of the Elements with the invocation 'Per ipsum, et cum ipso, et in ipso, est tibi Deo Patri omnipoténti, in unitáte Spíritus Sancti, omnis honor et glória per ómnia sǽcula sæculórum' being the point of Christ's rising of the Cross, and the Breaking of the Bread being the Mystical 'breaking' of Christ's Heart as it was pierced by Longinus, completing the Immolation of his Body by the splitting in half of his Most Sacred Heart.
Secondly, by concomitance, isn't the Blood of Christ Present in the Bread, and likewise the Bread in the Blood? How can the Mystical Immolation be at the point of the Consecration, if the Consecrated host has both the Body and Blood? How can there then be a Sacramental separation, if the Accidents, the Body and Blood, are present in both? Of course, by Sacrament we mean there is a sign of the separation, but we also confess that there is a Unity in the Sign, by the fact that under the Sign both the body and blood are present.
Ultimately, yes, because Saint Thomas held it, it is most definitely the safest position to hold in terms of when the Immolation happens, but seems to be Mystical incoherent. How can the Immolation happen prior to what is seen by many to be the Mystical raising of Christ on the Cross, that being at the Elevation of the Elements before the Our Father. Do we have any other Holy Doctors who believed this to be the case? Scotus? Saint Bonaventure? Saint Anselm? Hugh of Saint Victor? Even if they just inferred "hey, I agree with Aquinas," or their position aligning best with Saint Thomas'? Or do we see that any other Schools held to this? Suarez and the Jesuits? The Scotist? Augustinians? Saint Thomas Aquinas is the Common Doctor, and so it is safe to hold all things he posited, but Science of Theology is not simply found in saying "Aquinas said so, so thus its true" but understanding the Scholastic process, of which Saint Thomas often provides to be a powerful mind within, peering ever so deep into the Theology that few minds have peered so far. And I find his argument for the Immolation being at the Consecration lacking.
This isn’t “just the teaching of St. Thomas,” it’s the teaching of Pius XII. As I explained in the video, the “mystical” element refers to the proper signs being sacramentally shown forth with the presence of the realities…so, there is not “trouble with concomitance,” since it is about the proper signs (remember the analogy I gave with the movie?). It seems like you’ve completely missed the point on this one and then pontificated about your preferred theological method, which was strange…
@@MilitantThomist My argument wasn't solely of concomitance, and rewatching and reading your comment shows me that its a misunderstanding on my part. That's my mistake. However, just because Venerable Pius XII excluded the position of the Immolation being at the point of communion does not mean that it is at the point of Consecration, just as the asserting that Christ isn't the Father doesn't then follow that he isn't God. A exclusion of Theological position does not lead to the asserting of one of the alternatives. However, he did assert within the Encyclical Mediator Dei that: " The unbloody immolation at the words of consecration, when Christ is made present upon the altar in the state of a victim, is performed by the priest and by him alone, as the representative of Christ and not as the representative of the faithful." While one could argue that this is not itself the assertion of Doctrine, it is proper instead to not poke holes and give Religious Assent to the Holy Pontiff. While would like to find out more from my own research to gather a more informed position, I publicly dissent from my former position.
Great video. If St Robert Bellarmine thought the immolation of the sacrifice of the Mass was eating the Eucharist, did he think we couldn't keep the Eucharist in the Tabernacle after Mass for Adoration?
I thought Matt Fradd was in this video.
erm wagner you are obviously wrong the universal priesthood is a protestant idea
Uh, no
so true.
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Jesus is our high priest, ordained priests the ordinary priesthood & the people are the universal priesthood. Only the Catholic & Orthodox Churches have validly ordained priests in the unbroken line of apostolic succession
No we just had this in the mass readings a while ago.
CCC 1240-1241
1240 In the Latin Church this triple infusion is accompanied by the minister's words: "N., I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." In the Eastern liturgies the catechumen turns toward the East and the priest says: "The servant of God, N., is baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." At the invocation of each person of the Most Holy Trinity, the priest immerses the candidate in the water and raises him up again.
1241 The anointing with sacred chrism, perfumed oil consecrated by the bishop, signifies the gift of the Holy Spirit to the newly baptized, who has become a Christian, that is, one "anointed" by the Holy Spirit, incorporated into Christ who is anointed priest, prophet, and king. [Cf. RBC 62] [1294, 1574, 783]
www.ncronline.org/blogs/peace-pulpit/we-are-priests-prophets-and-kings
We take on a very small portion as the article states of being a priest by participating in the mass. Of being a prophet by sharing our Catholic life and the Word... etc.
The way the Protestants use these words, is in the negative sense. Like see we are all priests, so you don't need to confess your sins to a priest. Listen to their objections they vary of course. We Catholics know we cannot be priest in the sense we can confess anyone or consecrate bread & wine.
Hopefully, I am explaining myself somewhat we are to follow Jesus in our limited ways. But we must contribute to the Church by doing our own individual Priest, Prophet and King part. Not like Jesus obviously, not the our priest, not like a real prophet and not like a real king.
Let me give maybe like more practical examples. We act like priest by encouraging others to go to confession (by the way go to confession, if you haven't); remember God loves you; go to mass... see I did my priestly bit. Now let me do my Prophet bit... we really shouldn't judge others or we will be judge Matthew 7 : 1-5, so stop judging your cousin. See just did my Prophety duty... by quoting something appropriate... and this is the hard one for some of us doing the Kingly bit. And it is typically, when we are fighting with others because of how they hurted us. The way we do our kingly duty is by showing them mercy and forgiving them for what they did to us.
See we do those within our human limits. Like some Protestants might see this, but they typically don't think like that at all. You know they got rid of the sacraments, so they don't need priest. You know some of them consider their pastors the prophets ( some pastors think they are prophets, specicially the ones on TV, I prayed to God and he told me the money will be there to buy _____ and I needed to do was ask. Anyways, you get the picture. Very different type of thinking.
You said that the act of immolation is the separation of the Body and Blood. I am unsure what you mean by this. Don't both the bread and wine both become Body and Blood?
Its a sacramental, not a real, division of body and blood. Just as we dont actually kill Him in every Mass. The substance of the victim is wholly contained under each species.
My precise question, in another post.
The other thumbnail was better, tell unionist initiative to stop picking the worst one
As a Lutheran i can very much agree with the essence of this video. To be honest.
Although just for the record: i, obviously, disagree with your specific RC views
Martin Luther would not agree. His famous 'The Babylonian Captivity of the Church' would denounce the view that the Mass is a Sacrifice Offered, in any manner.
@@TheRecapitulaitionist that is the prt i do not agree, it is important tho to remember the sacrifice of Christ that we obtain through the sacrament
@@FILIPEBERTOLUCCI So then is the Mass a Sacrifice?
@@TheRecapitulaitionist bro, i know how you guys believe, you know how we guys believe… i was just saying that evangelicals need to come back to the assurance of the sacrament of the altar.
Scotist position seems a bit Protestant.