Cobray Terminator 12ga Shotgun

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    The Cobray Terminator is an unusual - and unusually impractical - single-shot 12 gauge shotgun. It uses a sort of open bolt system in which the barrel is under spring pressure, and slams backwards into a fixed firing pin when the trigger is pulled. Only about 1500 of these were made before they were discontinued due to poor sales (not because of ATF intervention, as some people believe).
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  • @Synergy7Studios
    @Synergy7Studios 4 года назад +446

    "Questionably legal and thoroughly impractical" is the best category of firearm.

    • @lordbarristertimsh8050
      @lordbarristertimsh8050 11 месяцев назад

      Are you sure about that? Because that sounds precisely like the exact opposite of best to me!

    • @Synergy7Studios
      @Synergy7Studios 11 месяцев назад +8

      @@lordbarristertimsh8050 then you don't know how to have fun.

    • @lordbarristertimsh8050
      @lordbarristertimsh8050 11 месяцев назад

      @@Synergy7Studios I know perfectly well how to have fun, I also know that questionably legality, clunky and dysfunctional firearms, as well as a gun like this that is unpleasant to shoot, don't factor into it very well.

    • @Synergy7Studios
      @Synergy7Studios 11 месяцев назад +4

      @@lordbarristertimsh8050 bro it is a youtube comment and I am very obviously joking, relax.

    • @lordbarristertimsh8050
      @lordbarristertimsh8050 11 месяцев назад

      @@Synergy7Studios I was just trying to be a good sport and play along.

  • @JeanMarceaux
    @JeanMarceaux 3 года назад +175

    Truly a marvel of firearm technology, a weapon that adds more recoil instead of subtracting it.

    • @rigen97
      @rigen97 Год назад +16

      it's the terminator because it terminates the user

  • @PavarottiAardvark
    @PavarottiAardvark 5 лет назад +927

    I went to a gun show once and asked a guy "Hey, can you give me a sling swivel for a Cobray Terminator?"
    He thought for a moment and said "Ok, that sounds like a fair trade"

  • @ThungStudios
    @ThungStudios 7 лет назад +923

    So, it's a slam-fire shotgun with extra steps.

    • @safetygroup240
      @safetygroup240 7 лет назад +19

      pretty much... but a neat one...

    • @dosbox907
      @dosbox907 7 лет назад +7

      Aiden is all Knowing slam fire 12ga zip gun id think is accurate

    • @AtlasJotun
      @AtlasJotun 5 лет назад +1

      IKR?! I'll take two!

    • @FelipeJaquez
      @FelipeJaquez 4 года назад +11

      Da roachdog

    • @peterharmon7852
      @peterharmon7852 4 года назад

      Aiden Studios this comment has me squirming in my pants

  • @treyblack5633
    @treyblack5633 7 лет назад +1903

    Don't stop reviewing junk, Ian. Your reviews of junk firearms are just as entertaining as masterpiece historical weapons.

    • @McRocket
      @McRocket 5 лет назад +18

      Hear hear.

    • @achillebelanger9866
      @achillebelanger9866 4 года назад +13

      Agreed about egregiously Abominable Arms.

    • @peterharmon7852
      @peterharmon7852 4 года назад +2

      This comment has me squirming in my pants hahah that was a big whip it

    • @billysmith5409
      @billysmith5409 4 года назад +23

      Personally I think his reviews on junk weapons are more entertaining than the reviews of the really good stuff. I get a kick out of seeing what kind of crazy shenanigans gun makers get up to when left to their own devices. And Cobray came up with some real doozies.

    • @michaelharris679
      @michaelharris679 4 года назад +7

      @@billysmith5409 I also love how he covers mechanical design in general. You don't learn much if nothing goes wrong, but the total institutional meltdown that creates terrible weapons is fascinating.

  • @JohnnyUtah488
    @JohnnyUtah488 Год назад +75

    The heat shroud on the barrel tells me they were quite optimistic about the rate of fire you could get out of this thing.

    • @itsdabees
      @itsdabees 10 месяцев назад +3

      Nah, they just wanted you to think it shoots real quick like

  • @RaDeus87
    @RaDeus87 9 лет назад +520

    I was totally expecting there to be a magazineswell on the other side of that gun... I was disappointed.
    It's basically an overengineered single-shot pipegun.

    • @Jesses001
      @Jesses001 9 лет назад +41

      Basically yes. It is a pipe gun with a spring and trigger release. I think a normal pipe gun would be a better design.

    • @Trigunnie45
      @Trigunnie45 9 лет назад +8

      Jesse Sisolack
      This would at least allow you a better aimed shot than a pipe gun. It does what it was designed to do, and would serve better than none.

    • @Jesses001
      @Jesses001 9 лет назад +11

      Trigunnie45 If you build a stock into it, a pipe gun is not too hard to aim...I mean for a shotgun at least. Yes this sure does beat nothing. I would say it beats a sharp stick as well. I think a pipe gun is better though, and an H&R style single shot better yet.

    • @Trigunnie45
      @Trigunnie45 9 лет назад

      Jesse Sisolack
      Well there are always better options out there mate. =]

    • @Jesses001
      @Jesses001 9 лет назад +2

      Trigunnie45 And in this case, that better option cost less when they were both new. Buy the better weapon for less money (talking about the H&R single shot).

  • @TheRogueWolf
    @TheRogueWolf 8 лет назад +1930

    In which we learn that it is indeed quite possible to oversimplify a firearm.

    • @tranq45
      @tranq45 8 лет назад +38

      Heh! Truth.

    • @JoeWalker98
      @JoeWalker98 5 лет назад +36

      Idk, the same thing but spring pushing the firing pin forward must be better

    • @rainmaker6217
      @rainmaker6217 5 лет назад +67

      Well, in al honesty this thing isn't all that simple either. It's just a bad concept with the barrell essentially punching your shoulder at the same time as the explosive load does.
      The simplest guns would likely be a hammer fired bolt action or rolling block type of gun, or just a break action rifle/shotgun for that matter. None of these concepts really have a whole lot of parts in it to start with and it's a lot safer and better to use than whatever this thing is. The sad fact is that most "simple" firearms concepts were already invented 100-200 years ago, and the only thing we really can do to simplify things these days is to tweak the manufacturing process.

    • @bavarianpotato
      @bavarianpotato 5 лет назад +49

      @@rainmaker6217 the simplest firearm would be a pipe shotgun. All you have is two pipes, one of which has a fixed firing pin. It does not get simpler than that.

    • @acidwizzardbastard
      @acidwizzardbastard 5 лет назад +6

      And when Ian fired this, his shoulder was punished severely.

  • @brucebaxter6923
    @brucebaxter6923 8 лет назад +1664

    A commercially produced pipe gun.

    • @812558
      @812558 6 лет назад +93

      Yep: Was thinking it had more in common with something I'd get sketchy plans for from a .txt with ASCII diagrams than anything I'd buy from a store...

    • @56bturn
      @56bturn 6 лет назад +46

      This definitely seems like the kind of gun that one could make a crude version of with basic materials.

    • @gratuitouslurking8610
      @gratuitouslurking8610 6 лет назад +34

      Honestly that basically is a two-piece garage gun, was my thought. The entire barrel going back with the trigger pull, that's just weird man...

    • @UndefinedBailiwick
      @UndefinedBailiwick 4 года назад +8

      Look at the Czech Sa vz. 26 SMG, it's even more akin to a pipe gun.

    • @dacoobob
      @dacoobob 4 года назад +5

      @@56bturn yes, but nobody would because the design is terrible.

  • @spigotsandcogs
    @spigotsandcogs 8 лет назад +1274

    An old fashioned break-action shotgun seems way more practical than this... thing.

    • @sonicknuckleswomble8927
      @sonicknuckleswomble8927 6 лет назад +71

      spigotsandcogs I've heard that 12 gauge pipe guns are fairly alright for guerilla fighters for how cheap and easy they are to produce, so I suppose this is an attempt on improving that whilst being potentially cheaper and simpler than a break action
      If I made this I feel I'd want a normal bolt though, keep the barrel fixed so you can lob pipebombs and sharpened legos out of it or something lol

    • @chemistryofquestionablequa6252
      @chemistryofquestionablequa6252 6 лет назад +15

      Sonic&Knuckles &Womble lower the powder charge correctly and use a wood dowel as basically a piston from the shell to what you want to launch and you can fire pretty heavy objects pretty far. Don't try to fire from the shoulder or hip for obvious reasons. Shotguns in guerrilla warfare can be incredibly versatile.

    • @happyjohn354
      @happyjohn354 6 лет назад

      ya i want to make a tubegun shotgun that fires from open bolt... make it semi or full auto...

    • @Klaaism
      @Klaaism 5 лет назад +17

      muzzleloaders seem more practical than this... thing.

    • @juliusfaller5585
      @juliusfaller5585 5 лет назад +6

      spigotsandcogs literally anything that is vaguely weaponlike is more practical than this

  • @inversion66
    @inversion66 9 лет назад +536

    Looks like someone took some leftover bits of a Sterling, a STEN, and a FAL and welded them together.

    • @ohohlund
      @ohohlund 9 лет назад +6

      +Tim Gueguen it really is

    • @blackore64
      @blackore64 9 лет назад +51

      +Tim Gueguen And deciced to make it a shotgun for some reason.

    • @noble9864
      @noble9864 8 лет назад +6

      +Tim Gueguen I too thought is was Sten-like when I saw it.

    • @paullytle4943
      @paullytle4943 8 лет назад +37

      and a piece of a tractor

    • @ollilehtonen6351
      @ollilehtonen6351 8 лет назад +1

      lol:D

  • @gorncaptain5287
    @gorncaptain5287 8 лет назад +791

    So......it's a fancy pipe shotgun?

    • @ForgottenWeapons
      @ForgottenWeapons  8 лет назад +673

      +Gorn Captain No, it's not fancy at all.

    • @gorncaptain5287
      @gorncaptain5287 8 лет назад +68

      Forgotten Weapons Well I mean it's not made of wood and pipe, so I guess it's more like a professional pipe shotgun. It's nicer than the one I made using TM31-210.

    • @gorncaptain5287
      @gorncaptain5287 8 лет назад +24

      Bob Bowie His shitty cannon only stunned me temporarily with the level of shit quality in his build.

    • @MrPoogly
      @MrPoogly 8 лет назад +22

      +Gorn Captain I was going to say the same thing. The reason no one was buying this for 90 USD was because they would have paid less getting the parts at Home Depot :P

    • @thedoggoes4519
      @thedoggoes4519 8 лет назад +4

      +Forgotten Weapons It's an angry looking slam-fire rig, bout it

  • @CrescentGuard
    @CrescentGuard 9 лет назад +398

    I think I've figured out the design process goes for Cobray. "Hey Steve." "Yeah Bill?" "Let's make a shotgun?" "Great idea Bill!" "Alright! Let's get to work." "Hey Bill..." "Yeah Steve?" "Do you know how to make a shotgun?" "No idea." ........... "What about one of those water guns where you pull the water out of the pool?" "Steve... YOU'RE A GENIUS!"

    • @hugoperez9114
      @hugoperez9114 6 лет назад +34

      AardvarkLord i feel it was more of a "Hey Bill" "yeah Steve?" "You know how companies make guns kind of pleasent and comfortable to shoot?" "Yeah" "What if we made them not like that?" "Jesus Steve! You're a genius!"

    • @CruelestChris
      @CruelestChris 6 лет назад +5

      "Hey Bill, you know how most companies make planes that have, you know...wings?" "YOU'RE WORKING AT CONVAIR NOW, STEVE."

    • @milkwater1204
      @milkwater1204 5 лет назад +3

      "Hey, Steve." "Yeah, Bill?" "You know pipe shotguns?" "Yeah?" "What if we made one but worse." "Fucking inspired, man! "

    • @tylerjames5482
      @tylerjames5482 4 года назад

      it's a reverse open bolt system the lower on that gun could be modified to fire full auto I think that was the point of this gun

    • @thesturm8686
      @thesturm8686 4 года назад

      @@tylerjames5482 so, a blow-forward machine shotgun? I suppose the magazine have to go to the left side of it

  • @thecynic75
    @thecynic75 7 лет назад +87

    Other names for Cobray firearms include:
    School scanner
    Mall masher
    Courthouse clearer
    and
    Post office "protector"

  • @aaronstone6502
    @aaronstone6502 9 лет назад +464

    Probably one of the coolest gun related channels on RUclips. Keep up the good work!

    • @ForgottenWeapons
      @ForgottenWeapons  9 лет назад +38

      Thanks!

    • @F3LDK0CH
      @F3LDK0CH 9 лет назад

      michael cote Wait, are you THE Michael Cote?
      I am a Big Fan !

    • @WurledPeas
      @WurledPeas 9 лет назад

      F3LDK0CH Historican + is really are? Google translate?

    • @F3LDK0CH
      @F3LDK0CH 9 лет назад

      *****
      ?

    • @WurledPeas
      @WurledPeas 9 лет назад

      F3LDK0CH ??????

  • @americanpatriot542
    @americanpatriot542 8 лет назад +174

    I want one of these all aged up as a wasteland gun. looks like something out of the metro games.

    • @genericusername4596
      @genericusername4596 5 лет назад +23

      Glockcamole the true bastard gun.

    • @Brandelwyn
      @Brandelwyn 2 года назад +1

      Not even nomadic inbred cannibals would use this garbage

    • @joshuahadams
      @joshuahadams Год назад

      The pipe guns from Fallout 4 look more comfortable than this, and they’re sat in a 2x2 with a plain pipe for a stock and handle.

    • @1nvderZim
      @1nvderZim Год назад

      6 years later and now we have it in Diesel-Punk Space Pirate game "Marauders"

    • @anon9469
      @anon9469 Год назад +1

      Would make a good starting weapon... the kind you want to immediately replace and never touch again.

  • @DaytonaRoadster
    @DaytonaRoadster 9 лет назад +805

    easily converted to machine gun...single shot shotgun...riiiight...

    • @Snandra66
      @Snandra66 9 лет назад +7

      Brass 'n Barrels Firearms Channel Yeah... About that...

    • @readman010
      @readman010 5 лет назад +88

      All it needs is a fully semi automatically bump stock 🤣

    • @Klaaism
      @Klaaism 5 лет назад +116

      I strongly suspect that rumor was started by the company's marketing department.

    • @598bryce
      @598bryce 4 года назад +3

      @@readman010 it kinda technically has that already

    • @vulekv93
      @vulekv93 4 года назад +34

      *easily converted to single shot machine gun.

  • @remmus64
    @remmus64 8 лет назад +632

    looks like something a thug in a post apocalypse movie would use.

    • @jvanasselberg
      @jvanasselberg 6 лет назад +21

      remmus64- hence the name Terminator. LOL

    • @AndyREDDSON
      @AndyREDDSON 6 лет назад +6

      Because it was. 😟

    • @fuzzythoughts8020
      @fuzzythoughts8020 4 года назад +7

      The kinda movie where he also immediately dies because the black guy always dies first

    • @larrywhalen127
      @larrywhalen127 4 года назад +3

      Hopefully, because if they're armed with this piece of crap you will have time to find a tree limb to beat their brain out before they can cock it.

    • @Etherion195
      @Etherion195 4 года назад

      even then, it's probably only used as a hammer anyway.

  • @Zarke3
    @Zarke3 9 лет назад +64

    I have a feeling the guys at Cobray were more concerned with whether they could do it that they didn't stop to think about whether they should do it.

    • @jeremiahdillard9201
      @jeremiahdillard9201 9 лет назад +2

      Ha! I see what ya did there! ;)

    • @sergeantbigmac
      @sergeantbigmac 9 лет назад +1

      Zarke void LOL! As a huge movie buff, I love when people integrate movie quotes into everyday speech/text. Makes me all warm and fuzzy inside ;)

    • @ThePandoraGuy
      @ThePandoraGuy 3 месяца назад

      It was the 80s. Snort a line and then design.

  • @8digitPDX
    @8digitPDX 8 лет назад +125

    The story "back in the day" was that they were going to be coming out with a conversion kit which would fit into that receiver and make it a 9mm full auto. The idea was the "kit" was going to be done with bolt-in parts. Nobody ever saw them and it might have just been a ruse to sell them. Another marketing ploy was that they could be mounted under the barrel of an AR15, and somewhat resemble an M203, but that funky cocking mechanism prevented any practical use.

    • @AndyREDDSON
      @AndyREDDSON 6 лет назад +24

      They can be mounted to an AR. It feels weird and handles difficult, oh and shoots like a shitstick, but we got 3 "aimed" shots off in one minute. ("Aimed" as in we hit the 3×5 plywood we pointed it at, but not exactly a precision weapon. Exactly NOT a precision weapon.)

    • @bungtunger5345
      @bungtunger5345 6 лет назад +11

      Out here doing God's work, Andy!

    • @bubba200874426
      @bubba200874426 5 лет назад +5

      for some reason this made me visualize this dumbass with the lady's home companion mounted underbarrel. Which I think would be the most preposterous weapon system conceived. and then I giggled at the thought for a minute.

    • @bruhbruh-us6gl
      @bruhbruh-us6gl Год назад

      @@bungtunger5345
      Cobray has done more to get gun regulations passed than any NGO in world history

    • @michaelkaiser1864
      @michaelkaiser1864 Год назад

      A poor mans "Doorkey" shotgun lol. Back then, you could still find an 870 for way sub 200 bucks lol. I remember those add on kits.
      Cobray also had 37mm "m203" kits to bolt on your "m4". Wish like hell I'd have had spare money back then.
      I was a kid. Bad timing lol. I had bills to pay.
      Man. the late 80s and early 90's were a fucking gun heaven! Cheap milsurp. Cheap ammo.
      Thats also when the federals started fucking with folks tho sadly.

  • @de0509
    @de0509 9 лет назад +49

    That looks like the sort of thing a prisoner trying to escape prison would be trying to make in secret.

  • @kevinsullivan3448
    @kevinsullivan3448 8 лет назад +91

    I could see how someone with -5 knowledge in firearms might think you could modify it into a blow forward automatic shotgun.

    • @clintonsypherd8822
      @clintonsypherd8822 7 лет назад +10

      Kevin Sullivan seriously I can't even begin with how stupid that is. it feeds and ejects through the same feeding tube.. automatically.. somehow

    • @kevinsullivan3448
      @kevinsullivan3448 7 лет назад +9

      Clinton Sypherd
      Yes, and we have a generation of morons who think combat is like Call of Duty.

    • @Seth9809
      @Seth9809 7 лет назад +11

      You should have seen the generations in the 1910s, they thought combat would be fun and barely anyone would die.

    • @kevinsullivan3448
      @kevinsullivan3448 7 лет назад +2

      Tevo77777
      Yes, back before unrestricted warfare. But that wasn't the common soldier, that was the General Staff, for the most part. Leaders in the 20th century were often intellectually disconnected from reality.

    • @Seth9809
      @Seth9809 7 лет назад +4

      *****
      All warfare was unrestricted back then, dumbass.
      People used to rape and enslave their victims.
      Conscription was the norm in Europe after Napoleon, the public during the American Civil-War wanted to watch the combat while eating lunch.

  • @johnnyfedpost1776
    @johnnyfedpost1776 9 лет назад +88

    new slogan! "Cobray: Because We Can,"!!!

    • @ATFADL
      @ATFADL 9 лет назад +9

      +Chris Hutchins Nope, "Cobray: Because no one tried to stop us!!!!!!".

    • @johnnyfedpost1776
      @johnnyfedpost1776 9 лет назад +11

      NO!!!😡 "Cobray: We can't believe people are actually buying our shit!"

    • @DGneoseeker1
      @DGneoseeker1 8 лет назад +9

      +Chris Hutchins "Cobray: Because zip gun quality is too high!"

    • @HominidMachinae
      @HominidMachinae 8 лет назад +5

      +A Travler from a different land Except the ATF on numerous occasions. Cobray single-handedly set back the cause of guns rights in this country by years by making guns that did very little of note except look sinister, carry cringe-worthy aggressive names and draw too much of the wrong kinds of attention.
      Quite frankly the street sweeper was a poor shotgun, a Remington 870 Wingmaster is more dangerous and more lethal in the wrong hands, but: it looked dangerous (frankly to a liberal it looked like a grenade launcher), it carried a name that implied it was for criminal use, it was based on a South African design which conjured up mental images of being used for oppression and connections with apartheid, and the company had terrible PR.
      Same with their Ingram clones. Take a gun that's widely pictured in the media when it's used by south American drug cartels and paramilitary death squads, that's infamous for use in drive-by shootings, and make a semi-auto clone of it in all black. Genius move given the political climate of the early 90s...

    • @nolanolivier6791
      @nolanolivier6791 7 лет назад +1

      Cobray: what target market!?

  • @skrackensdal
    @skrackensdal 8 лет назад +333

    i wouldnt be concerned about people turning these into machine guns, i'd be worried someone bought one and reverse engineered it and built hundreds from spare plumbing.

    • @amperzand9162
      @amperzand9162 8 лет назад +94

      You wouldn't need to reverse engineer it, it'd be easy enough to build something better from scratch.

    • @Ealsante
      @Ealsante 6 лет назад +34

      I wouldn't even be worried about that. If I knew people were plotting an armed uprising or an invasion, it's best they do it with a gun like this.

    • @nejlaakyuz4025
      @nejlaakyuz4025 6 лет назад +6

      Harri you cant learn what to do from thatthing, you can learn what not to do.

    • @jackandersen1262
      @jackandersen1262 5 лет назад +16

      Anybody who would decide to do that would be better off making Luty SMGs.

    • @kw9849
      @kw9849 5 лет назад +12

      It's the other way around, someone reverse engineered a slamfire pipegun and made this.

  • @SuperSmith
    @SuperSmith 7 лет назад +369

    I think I've figured out where Royal Nonesuch worked before starting youtube.

    • @safetygroup240
      @safetygroup240 7 лет назад +2

      lol

    • @tracertong2052
      @tracertong2052 7 лет назад

      Hahahaha

    • @eosdelb
      @eosdelb 7 лет назад +3

      he is a wild one. I like his 12 gauge arrows.

    • @Porty1119
      @Porty1119 7 лет назад +3

      Torres75 I saw that shit. He is obviously unfamiliar with black powder; it would need about four times the barrel length to get into a useful velocity range. On top of the terrifying ignition method- would using an inline muzzleloader 209 primer system be too difficult, or just not showy enough?

    • @MaxB00M
      @MaxB00M 7 лет назад +4

      SuperSmith_ I watch Royal Nonesuch but his homemade weapons are really getting lame. He has so much opportunities because he knows mark serbu, but won't come up with a cool/unique idea for a firearm.

  • @GamezGames19
    @GamezGames19 8 лет назад +226

    I think this small arms designer was a troll

    • @worldtraveler930
      @worldtraveler930 6 лет назад +5

      Lucas Kroon. I think that I smell Gordon Ingram design here.

  • @swhaw
    @swhaw 8 лет назад +66

    I thought that the ATF was just stupid for seizing airsoft guns saying they could be converted into full auto 'assault weapons', so honestly I can see people believing the rumor about this gun.

    • @swhaw
      @swhaw 8 лет назад +11

      TheRealColBosch WHile I can see what you mean, it was hardly a myth because they had members of the ATF in interviews and that is what they were saying the reason for the seize was, they myth that continues to be spread is that airsoft guns can be converted to fire live rounds, though that is spread by the media more so than the public.

  • @gregsummers7350
    @gregsummers7350 7 лет назад +3

    It looks like a simple partisan weapon, like the concept of US Liberator of WW2 / Deer gun if the Vietnam War era. Slam fire shotgun, as this is like the Richardson Industries M5 Philippine guerrilla gun in covert warfare employment concept. The single point sling attachment for a loop sling aids carry under a coat. A great video, thank you, Greg

  • @bladudemovies
    @bladudemovies 8 лет назад +259

    I'll give you $20 for it.

    • @Stein871
      @Stein871 8 лет назад +84

      i can probably make a better shotgun with 20 $

    • @cryo2156
      @cryo2156 6 лет назад +51

      You'd be better off just getting a steel pipe and hitting the primer with a hammer

    • @worldtraveler930
      @worldtraveler930 6 лет назад +28

      That $20 Better include shipping.

    • @prpunk187
      @prpunk187 6 лет назад +13

      After watching him shoot it that's still overpriced

    • @mulgerbill
      @mulgerbill 5 лет назад +21

      And here's your $14.01 change
      Thank you, come again

  • @hisdukeness3037
    @hisdukeness3037 8 лет назад +740

    I'd rather throw rocks..

  • @NBarker1993
    @NBarker1993 9 лет назад +31

    Looks like some Mad Max type deal.

  • @jasonarmstrong5750
    @jasonarmstrong5750 8 лет назад +169

    looks like a blaster prop from star wars

    • @zzMORREEzz
      @zzMORREEzz 8 лет назад +34

      Which itself is modelled off the Sterling Submachine gun

    • @jasonarmstrong5750
      @jasonarmstrong5750 7 лет назад +3

      FinnTheHuman that was only the stormtrooper blaster, everything else in the O.T. was pretty much WWII weaponry, well save for one blaster that was a modified AR-15

    • @thechickenwhosits
      @thechickenwhosits 6 лет назад +17

      I'm pretty sure the blaster props are a more effective weapon though.

    • @jasonarmstrong5750
      @jasonarmstrong5750 6 лет назад +1

      thechickenwhosits probably

    • @AzelfandQuilava
      @AzelfandQuilava 5 лет назад +4

      @@jasonarmstrong5750 The Rebel pistols from the beginning of Episode 4 were based off Sterlings as well. The props were later upgraded for Episode 5 to include a "magazine", but the weapon only has 2 seconds of screentime so its not noticeable unless you were specifically looking for it.

  • @cristiandemirel1918
    @cristiandemirel1918 9 лет назад +31

    The designer of this gun for sure wasn't John Browning! Looks like something homebuilt.

    • @Snandra66
      @Snandra66 9 лет назад +5

      cristiandemirel1918 I bet Cobray had one designer, a drunk guy in his own garage, building guns.

    • @cristiandemirel1918
      @cristiandemirel1918 9 лет назад

      "Marky Mark" Markus Gaming/LurkingFan4
      :)))

    • @Snandra66
      @Snandra66 9 лет назад

      cristiandemirel1918 It's actually probably kind of accurate to what the staff of Cobray was.

    • @Snandra66
      @Snandra66 9 лет назад +5

      ***** Wow, that's... Sad...
      HAH, WHO AM I KIDDING, FUCK COBRAY

    • @BrainSeepsOut
      @BrainSeepsOut 9 лет назад +2

      +cristiandemirel1918 I know right? It looks like a Sten, and those things were designed to be buildable out of basic machine shop parts.

  • @Herodotus999
    @Herodotus999 8 лет назад +287

    Design by Homer J Simpson...

    • @baker90338
      @baker90338 8 лет назад

      You mean like the reliability aspect of kel-Tec guns? (Other than the rdb)

    • @destruxxx
      @destruxxx 8 лет назад +5

      +Baker Tankersley Keltecs don't have reliability problems if you don't have the wrist strength of a newborn baby. I had a half dozen of their pistols... never had one with a problem.

    • @Herodotus999
      @Herodotus999 8 лет назад +5

      +Heaven Smile FINALLY SOMEONE GETS IT! (Remember the car he designed?)

    • @baker90338
      @baker90338 8 лет назад

      Destruxx I'm talking about the rdb and the ksg,

    • @dustinhinzman
      @dustinhinzman 7 лет назад +1

      Teodor Georgiev oh the bubble windows

  • @Gamer1st1
    @Gamer1st1 5 лет назад +71

    The “ladies home companion”. Are you sure that was a firearm? Sounds like something to release “stress” if you get my meaning.

    • @carlbloomquist708
      @carlbloomquist708 4 года назад +5

      No, Ian has a video on one...

    • @floo1465
      @floo1465 3 года назад

      @@carlbloomquist708 it’s a joke.

  • @marcondespaulo
    @marcondespaulo 6 лет назад +2

    When you mentioned this gun was impractical, I could barely imagine what you were talking about. Impractical is actually the nicest thing you could say.
    A single shot, swing open shotgun is so much more practical it's not even fair.

  • @theblackcock6607
    @theblackcock6607 5 лет назад +3

    The recoil alone on the receiver slamming back is insane

  • @ExUSSailor
    @ExUSSailor 8 лет назад +10

    I can't think of a single niche in the firearms market that any Cobray product would fill.

    • @RevaeRavus
      @RevaeRavus 8 лет назад +1

      +Anon Nymous My only thought was for shooting snakes or groundhogs or something... If it were cheap enough.

    • @ExUSSailor
      @ExUSSailor 7 лет назад +1

      I bought a nice, used 870 Express Magnum for $110. So, yeah, there's much better guns at the same price point.

    • @kainepeterson6638
      @kainepeterson6638 6 лет назад +1

      I would actually love a ladies home defense. Turning it into a .45-70 semi-auto carbine would be incredible.

    • @jamesbfaber7770
      @jamesbfaber7770 4 года назад

      I find all the negative comments about Cobray amusing. I have one of their double barreled derringer style pistols in 45/410 and love it .Perfect home defense weapon; cheap,simple and easy to operate. Not everyone can afford a Colt.

    • @ineednochannelyoutube5384
      @ineednochannelyoutube5384 4 года назад

      @@jamesbfaber7770 Then get a surplus makarov. All of their products I know of are trash.

  • @EvelynDayless
    @EvelynDayless 7 лет назад +7

    It's like something you'd expect to see before people really figured out breech loading, but made in 1980s chic style.

  • @Extramrdo
    @Extramrdo 5 лет назад +6

    Sold for $1,265 (with two other long guns).
    wow someone got a great deal on 2 $750 guns

  • @ImranZakhaev9
    @ImranZakhaev9 9 лет назад +30

    So would this be a novelty now? Or is it auctioning for $12.95?

  • @jolujo5842
    @jolujo5842 9 лет назад +71

    Wow...what a completely usless waste of perfectly good steel!

  • @joshdavies9055
    @joshdavies9055 8 лет назад +37

    Is it just me or did the people at Cobray have no idea how to design and assemble firearms?

    • @syfr
      @syfr 5 лет назад +2

      Its just you.

    • @grantflippin7808
      @grantflippin7808 3 года назад +3

      @@syfr no, no... he has a point

  • @kuebby
    @kuebby 4 года назад +1

    This is by far the funniest Forgotten Weapons video that I've watched yet.

  • @skynyrd7411
    @skynyrd7411 9 лет назад +16

    That gun is so simple I could probably recreate one in my basement.

    • @TheAtmosfear7
      @TheAtmosfear7 9 лет назад +5

      And yet you'd be much better off recreating another gun because this one is unnecessarily complicated. Cheaply/lazily designed does not mean not-complicated.

    • @skynyrd7411
      @skynyrd7411 9 лет назад

      TheAtmosfear7 Then care to explain to me how it is complicated. It has such few parts, I dont see how it could be complicated in the least.

    • @desertfox2020
      @desertfox2020 9 лет назад +4

      fireonthemountain1776 It may have few parts, but for what it does it actually has many more than needed. You can make essentially the same thing with a nail and two pieces of steel tubing.

    • @Jesses001
      @Jesses001 9 лет назад +4

      It is a complicated slam fire shotgun. You can make a less complicated slam fire shotgun with $25 and a trip to the hardware store. Two tips. 3/4 inch pipe is the perfect size for 12ga, and 1 inch is the perfect receiver size.

    • @TheAtmosfear7
      @TheAtmosfear7 9 лет назад +4

      fireonthemountain1776 Do you see the way it operates? Now compare it to a double barrel shotgun for example and you'll see it's way to slow, fires only once at a time, and that's what complicated about it. Notice I never said the weapon was *COMPLEX*, because really it's not, but it's overly elaborate (in the wrong way), impractical and cumbersome.

  • @erikm12
    @erikm12 4 года назад +2

    "'Scuse me boss, gonna go toss these tubing remnants in the scrap pile."
    "Wait! Come back with those, I've got an idea..."

  • @triplejacked
    @triplejacked 9 лет назад +7

    Reckon that'd be right at home as a prop in some post-apocalyptic film has that kinda rough home made quality to it

  • @hnatt88
    @hnatt88 5 лет назад +15

    May be my lack of sleep, but I laughed out loud at "they gave you one sling swivel and one sight" 7:45
    Maybe you can fix the swivel in upright position and use it as rear sight.

    • @klausbrinck2137
      @klausbrinck2137 2 года назад

      U cannot seriously expect a PAIR of both for just 90$ !!! And it is still more practical than having saved money by building in half a barrel or half a grip...

    • @joshuahadams
      @joshuahadams Год назад

      I mean, most hunting shotguns I’ve seen just have the one bead near the muzzle. They have an actual decent sight radius and your more putting the centre of your pattern over the target, though. Not trying to pick off a dear’s lungs or anything, eh? Slug guns got scope mounts for that.

  • @MadMetalShop
    @MadMetalShop 9 лет назад +67

    "they give you one sling swivel and one sight" lmfao! 😃. What a terrible design lol.

    • @jluvs2ride
      @jluvs2ride 9 лет назад +3

      Got to be a lightweight breaching tool.

    • @shmopboi93
      @shmopboi93 4 года назад +6

      Does no one realize tht hes possibly jus unaware of the fact tht the rear sling swivel "IS" the rear sight!?🤔💡😧😳🤯

    • @charlescsmith1213
      @charlescsmith1213 4 года назад +3

      @@shmopboi93 To be honest, having any sights at all on a slam fire shotgun seems kinda pointless

  • @Cheezwizzz
    @Cheezwizzz Год назад +4

    I think Cobrey would have been an interesting company to work for

    • @ianfinrir8724
      @ianfinrir8724 Год назад +2

      Cocaine was probably involved in a lot of their decisions.

  • @QuartzChrysalis
    @QuartzChrysalis 7 лет назад +16

    So what I'm seeing is 2 pipes and a nail.

  • @DonJohn87_YT
    @DonJohn87_YT 8 лет назад +31

    So it's basically a pipe with a handle...

  • @kingflynxi9420
    @kingflynxi9420 7 лет назад +31

    If NERF made shotguns

    • @kyle857
      @kyle857 6 лет назад +11

      Flynn Asher NERF has way better engineering than this...

    • @nejlaakyuz4025
      @nejlaakyuz4025 6 лет назад +2

      Nerf are more reliable and accurate, and way more deadly

  • @gk.spinoza
    @gk.spinoza 4 года назад +1

    I thoroughly enjoy all the improvised modified fireams to be found online, and this cobray terminator belongs alongside all the wonderful pipe shotguns & zipguns🔫

    • @sterlingsubgun7816
      @sterlingsubgun7816 4 года назад +1

      When they first came out, I bought one, $140 at a gun show, I was young, it was fun, it never missed a beat, I sold it, a few years later I bought another one used off of a friend, same deal, no issues. Ended up selling it, fast forward 30 years a friend of mine showed me one that he picked up, I traded something of a bit more value than the
      terminator, but nostalgia was telling me to do so. All in all, it is a fun novelty, sad that Ian reviewed one that had firing issues. Yes, they are awkward,impractical, but having owned a few, they are fun if you have to fortitude to withstand a bit of recoil. :)

  • @petermoeller5901
    @petermoeller5901 8 лет назад +7

    Quite interesting video. Not that I know much about guns, but there are a few designs for "home-made" shotguns that are based on a fixed firing pin and tubes sliding inside each other. Basically, two moving parts. This Cobray seems to take this idea and develops it into a "commercial" (kind of...) shotgun.

  • @StrunDoNhor
    @StrunDoNhor 8 лет назад

    Weapons like this _still do_ have a purpose (sort of). Me and a few buddies are working on a graphic novel, and we feature quite a few irregular forces (partisan fighters and whatnot) who arm themselves with crude, hastily-made weapons - essentially just spare parts and scrap metal. While obviously not as effective as they could be, the design mentality is, "Buckshot is buckshot. It doesn't matter if it's fired from a scrap-metal tube or a military-grade shotgun, you _will_ take cover if it's pointing your way."
    We also take a lot of inspiration from weapons such as the *Blyskawica*, in keeping with the theme of a revolution/uprising.
    The Terminator in particular also has something of a rustic charm to it, and it wouldn't look out of place in a post-apocalyptic setting. When civilization crumbles the rugged shine, and being able to manufacture your own weapons is an asset that's best not wasted (even if said weapons aren't of the highest quality).

  • @aviatorengineer3491
    @aviatorengineer3491 3 года назад +5

    It's a shame this thing is so bad, in my opinion the whole "steel tube with a grip welded on" aesthetic is pretty nice for firearms.

    • @joshuahadams
      @joshuahadams Год назад

      It’s kinda going for like a Stirling SMG look, isn’t it? Barrel shroud built into the tube stock body, folding shoulder stock, and simple little pistol grip.

  • @KazeinHD
    @KazeinHD 3 года назад

    The Star Wars prop department would have a wonderful time with a box of Cobray Terminators. This is, incidentally, the only context in which a wonderful time could be had with a box of Cobray Terminators.

  • @butchs.4239
    @butchs.4239 8 лет назад +4

    Interesting video, and given the history of SWD/Cobray I suspect the Terminator was designed largely to send ATF a big FU over the open bolt ruling. I always had the impression the owners ran Cobray with a "What would Larry Flynt Do?" attitude. :-P

  • @sirnotappearinginthisfilm9337
    @sirnotappearinginthisfilm9337 4 года назад +1

    "Despite the method of construction, I think they're actually totally safe"
    What a ringing endorsement!

  • @andrewince8824
    @andrewince8824 8 лет назад +11

    I guess being the worlds most impractical shotty it doesn't really need a sling nor sights. It would never be taken into battle, wouldn't be a good hunting weapon. Just a big metal WTF.

  • @Wallcraft_Official
    @Wallcraft_Official 3 года назад

    Lots of comments saying it's junk but it looks like a nice ranch gun. Sturdy, relatively compact and single shot for ease. Load as you go.

  • @stuartp2006
    @stuartp2006 3 года назад +3

    I'd really love to see interviews with the "engineers" behind these classic bads, but I suspect that would be a little humiliating. It's a shame, since it would be fun to hear about what they were going for when doing the initial design.

  • @Boljarin
    @Boljarin 9 лет назад

    I love how you never hesitate to shit on a bad gun. Keep it up.

  • @randyzwieg8467
    @randyzwieg8467 6 лет назад +8

    You can pick up a break open H&R or. Stevens at a garage sale for around $90...
    Would that be too boring?

  • @Jokoko2828
    @Jokoko2828 4 года назад

    As neat as this thing looks there's guns out there that are both cool looking and actually good at their jobs.

  • @camerl2009
    @camerl2009 9 лет назад +4

    its like a spring loaded slamfire shotgun simple and I bet it would have sold more with a different stock

    • @Jesses001
      @Jesses001 9 лет назад +5

      And a lower price. It cost at least as much as a good quality single shot from H&R at the same time.

    • @camerl2009
      @camerl2009 9 лет назад

      Jesse Sisolack its something id buy more as a curiosity

  • @Vanq17
    @Vanq17 3 года назад +1

    Its amazing how Ian doesnt look like he's aged a day.

  • @Tripp426
    @Tripp426 8 лет назад +3

    The Cobray Terminator, as in only a Terminator would be able to use one effectively.

  • @PhuVet
    @PhuVet 9 лет назад

    shot one of these when I was a kid, my dad collected crazy stuff like this and the KG9 and Uzi's had street sweepers and other stuff like this in the 80's/90's... was a fun time before 94 ban. I remember the garage being full of Full Auto Uzi's right after the ban and my mom and he arguing about the mortgage he took out on the house to buy them, now he sells one a year to support them as a part of his retirement.

  • @paulnash9851
    @paulnash9851 8 лет назад +4

    I love my Cobray Terminator. It was the first shotgun I ever had. I inherited it from my dad cos it was just a very simple single shot to get me started. I've had hours of fun with mine and hope to have many more. Rose tinted glasses maybe, but they are interesting, durable and don't deserve such a bad rep. Good videos tho'...

    • @klausbrinck2137
      @klausbrinck2137 2 года назад +1

      How is the additional recoil from the barrel coming backwards???

  • @OliverJShannon
    @OliverJShannon 4 года назад

    "Questioningly illegal, and thoroughly impractical..."
    Ian I thank you for putting those words together into a sentence because that combination of letters I music to my ears.

  • @PonchoANS7
    @PonchoANS7 9 лет назад +103

    What an ugly and unnecessarily complicated gun. Cobray tried and failed to reinvent the wheel with this thing.

    • @michaelj595
      @michaelj595 9 лет назад +27

      how is it unnecessarily complicated? it is very simple.

    • @D8W2P4
      @D8W2P4 9 лет назад +37

      michael johnson
      It's basically an over complicated single shot slam fire shotgun (which can easily be made from a couple of heavy water pipes, an end cap of similar heaviness, and a heavy tack/nail as the firing pin).

    • @PonchoANS7
      @PonchoANS7 9 лет назад +2

      michael johnson
      Simpler than the usual break-open single shot shot gun? No.

    • @aphyd23
      @aphyd23 9 лет назад

      Alfonso Navarro They're both fairly simple designs. The real difference is in the ease of operation. A break action is easy to use whereas this one is very clumsy.

    • @jonathanboerema7849
      @jonathanboerema7849 9 лет назад

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  • @thomashadley589
    @thomashadley589 7 лет назад +1

    This show has the perfect intro. It's like a solid mix of a C-List History Channel show, and Alaskan Bush People.

  • @WAQWBrentwood
    @WAQWBrentwood 8 лет назад +4

    Official slogan of Cobray: "The worst (insert name of weapon type) ever made!"

  • @deeevans324
    @deeevans324 Год назад

    The prices of these shotguns are crazy nowadays. Trust me, If I find one, I'm defiantly getting it for the collection.

  • @lazy1451
    @lazy1451 7 лет назад +17

    That thing looks like a caulk gun.

    • @ta2joe13
      @ta2joe13 7 лет назад +1

      Lazy
      ULTRA-MEGA-POWER-HILTI-2000

  • @kippert8912
    @kippert8912 3 года назад

    During the first two seconds of the intro, Ian's firing of the machine gun sinks up perfectly, or at least somewhat well, with the intro music

  • @Buckster355
    @Buckster355 9 лет назад +4

    Hey Ian, are you thinking of making a "Thankfully forgotten weapons" playlist? I'd really love one.

  • @isaachendrickson1922
    @isaachendrickson1922 3 года назад +1

    Me at 2:33: What? How the hell do you f*ck up a single-shot shotgun?
    Me one minute later: Oh

  • @moehoward01
    @moehoward01 7 лет назад +290

    Design by Homer Simpson....

    • @ldobehardcore
      @ldobehardcore 7 лет назад +23

      Not nearly complicated and self-contradicting enough....

    • @vraptor7775
      @vraptor7775 6 лет назад +4

      King Commando Doh

    • @itsconnorstime
      @itsconnorstime 6 лет назад +7

      That’s one fine looking shotgun.
      WHY DOESNT MINE LOOK LIKE THAT?

    • @worldtraveler930
      @worldtraveler930 6 лет назад +1

      It actually smells of Gordon Ingram.

    • @TopKek115
      @TopKek115 5 лет назад +4

      "Those holes are speed holes, they make the gun fire faster"

  • @skategreaser
    @skategreaser 7 лет назад +2

    This thing makes Royal Nonesuch look like John Browning.

  • @Vikingwerk
    @Vikingwerk 6 лет назад +3

    having watched a couple of his video's about Cobray weapons, I feel like the company existed as a false flag operation to keep the ATF busy, and provide patently ridiculous weapons for them to ban/regulate, thereby allowing other, more rational guns to pass through as ATF regulators would think "At least its not like that damn Cobray"
    Much like movie makers do with the MPAA, by filming and submitting scenes that are entirely outrageous, that they will then cut from the film thereby getting the desired rating on the rest of the film.

  • @alfredmorency8296
    @alfredmorency8296 4 года назад +2

    Many people suggest that one should avoid firearm with aggressive names, lest some anti-gun DA uses that against you in front of a know-nothing jury(does happen). I worked for a security company that used K-9s, concerned about lawsuits all our dogs had soft names (on paper anyhow) like Alice, Fluffy, and Snuggles. Alice was my dog, the only one I can recall where the official name and the working name were the same.

  • @volkult73
    @volkult73 8 лет назад +125

    The Polish citizens have built better weapons in Getho of Warsaw !

  • @HSMiyamoto
    @HSMiyamoto 4 года назад +1

    With a fixed firing pin, it reminds me of a mortar. Fortunately, a mortar recoils into the ground.

    • @klausbrinck2137
      @klausbrinck2137 2 года назад +1

      Probably the most underrated comment here, ahahahhaahaahhaha

  • @Pitchlock8251
    @Pitchlock8251 9 лет назад +15

    LOL. Never heard of this thing before so im looking at the stills with the impression" It looks like a 12 gauge STEN...Cool" and then I watched the video and I'm like why does this gun need to exist? LOL. It does make me wander if the thing fires from an open barrel, that in it self is just weird. What retains the shell in the chamber?

    • @zak0321
      @zak0321 9 лет назад

      You pretty much described throughout the video LOL. Yeah I'm curious about how the shell stays too.

    • @Jesses001
      @Jesses001 9 лет назад +2

      The shell stays in just by friction. In short, if you aim upwards, your shell could fall out before you fire.

    • @Pitchlock8251
      @Pitchlock8251 9 лет назад

      Jesse Sisolack So hope no ones trying to kill you from above

    • @zak0321
      @zak0321 9 лет назад +3

      ***** No, Let's hope you don't get caught in a situation where you need to defend yourself and all you have is this Lol.

    • @rippervtol9516
      @rippervtol9516 9 лет назад

      ***** Hey at least you could kill them by throwing it ;)

  • @mothman-jz8ug
    @mothman-jz8ug 6 лет назад

    I cannot imagine finding even 1 person who would pay real money for this. But, as they say, there's a sucker born every minute.

  • @gregbilotta2472
    @gregbilotta2472 9 лет назад +5

    Looks like a sten....I don't why they only did one shot....Why not have a magazine for it? If Cobray made it a little bigger and with a magazine, it would probably be an alright shotgun (and replace the stock with a fixed one).

    • @alexv.d.h.7331
      @alexv.d.h.7331 6 лет назад

      greg Bilotta because the bolt didnt allow for repeated action, it just locks once fired and you need to cycle it manually before loading the next round.

    • @aidanstraw7749
      @aidanstraw7749 6 лет назад

      greg Bilotta yes that is a good idea. People just like to hate. Gun history is important, just like other engineering. We learn what works

  • @danieljob3184
    @danieljob3184 3 года назад

    Seconds to fire, minutes to reload. I can see where your despair comes from!

  • @monroetoolman
    @monroetoolman 8 лет назад +50

    And this was supposed to appeal to who?

    • @NikovK
      @NikovK 8 лет назад +68

      The discerning young man with $100, baggy sweatpants, and a desire to put a 12 gauge slug through basketball jerseys of a different color than his own before throwing the $100 shotgun in a dumpster.

    • @monroetoolman
      @monroetoolman 8 лет назад +5

      NikovK Makes sense...

    • @RADIOACTIVEBUNY
      @RADIOACTIVEBUNY 8 лет назад +1

      Shot*

    • @RADIOACTIVEBUNY
      @RADIOACTIVEBUNY 8 лет назад +1

      ***** It was a joke about it being a shitty single shot gun.

    • @notthesoap6156
      @notthesoap6156 8 лет назад

      Drug dealers?

  • @snarf1851
    @snarf1851 6 лет назад

    Looks like a something you would expect to be made by a hobbyist and not something commercial.

  • @michaels5368
    @michaels5368 7 лет назад +3

    I'm sorry dude....that thing is cool as hell.

  • @graham1034
    @graham1034 6 лет назад +1

    A break action is even simpler, easier to manufacture, better to shoot, faster to operate. I like how Cobray was willing to try new things though, even if they only had bad ideas. Did they make any decent guns?

  • @TalkIsCheapNM
    @TalkIsCheapNM 7 лет назад +15

    I don't know why I think that is cool..........looks like its made out of spare parts.

  • @FrostTheSaved
    @FrostTheSaved 3 года назад +1

    Ya just got me here finally watching this after Scott got his hands on one. Oh and anyone else see this a commercial grade Richardson Guerrilla Gun?

  • @lucianene7741
    @lucianene7741 7 лет назад +35

    Could be the result of a homosexual relationship between a Hino-Komura pistol and a M3 Grease Gun.

  • @Floris_VI
    @Floris_VI 5 лет назад +1

    Sometimes when i (re)watch a video with this intro i play it 4 times becouse it so good

  • @RealThundar1
    @RealThundar1 8 лет назад +5

    What did this sell for? Just curious what someone would pay for this today

    • @CommodoreFan64
      @CommodoreFan64 8 лет назад

      +Motorcycle Addict I'm wondering the same myself, and I would not mind owning one if I could find one cheap, as it would make a last defense weapon, or scare the crap out of someone breaking into your house at nice because it looks more like a machine gun then a shot gun.

    • @thesturm8686
      @thesturm8686 4 года назад

      1000 bucks, with two other guns

  • @tim31415
    @tim31415 3 года назад

    Of all the single shot breech loading designs that have come and gone thru history, how did they manage to come up with one so bizarrely cumbersome and impractical?