Simple and to the point, not full of a 10 minute speech on the backstory of how the vehicle got to this point, where I bought the parts, why my dog is barking, what I had for breakfast, how I like my new tool….bla bla. Thx
The best video I’ve seen on the spider gear swap. So easy, but not easy unless you’ve watched this video on how to rotate those spider gears in and keeping everything in place for center pin. Thank You!
I want to say thank you for doing this video. Straight and to the point . My only regret was not finding this video sooner. I was struggling with those spider gears sadly for two hours. Watched your video had it done in two minutes. Thank you once again for such an informative video.
Thank goodness there is a video explaining this. Now if I mess up when removing the axles and the spider gears fall out its no big deal. Very well explained!
My man!! Earlier today I installed new spider gears in my '91 Ranger 7.5 inch diff with absolute ease thanks to this video. If I hadn't watched this I would've definitely struggled (like I've seen a few fellas struggle here on the RUclipss). Thank you again.
Thank you so much for this video. I used this video to reposition my spider gears to my 2003 Ford F150 V6 I wouldn’t have been able to do it without you. Keep up the great work.
This video is so amazingly informative... As a female I'm sure most would understand my worries and fear of replacing my spider gears, my father taught me basics growing up but not anything like this... I feel very confident going at this job after watching this video... THANK YOU IS NOT ENOUGH! I will post a updated comment once I complete this project... Thank you sooooo very much!!!!
Dude, thank you for this! I've been getting a nasty clunk in my 91 Ranger's rear end. It doesn't seem like ring/pinion, so I wasn't really sure what it was, but now I'm pretty sure it's the spider gears. You've simplified it enough that I'm going to dig in and give it a shot. Thanks for the concise, well made video. Super valuable.
Thank you for this video! Most people show the removal of a trak lok, I needed to see how the spider gears in an open diff come apart and go back together. You're awesome bro!
Congrats, this is the very best mustang rear diff rebuild video on youtube. A do it yourselfer like me and can watch this video while doing the actual rebuild and get the job done right. Score perfect 10
Your video made my job a lot easier. I was able to assemble spider gears, but was scared to attempt before watching your tutorial. Great coaching skills and thanks a million for sharing your knowledge!
+Pet Rock's Garage habe you ever had Hell pulling out the shaft? it acts like it wants to come out and gets stuck about 2 inches from locking position. i feel really dumb.
I second that!!!! I watched a video and the lady mechanic said don’t let the ring hear spin it will misalign the spiders and they are extremely hard to adjust. Well I did just that today actually one fell out into the pan and my anxiety hit defcon 5. Thank God in heaven I found your video! You are a blessing bro!!
OMG!! I have replaced countless axle shafts, bearings, etc so many times and every single time I've been petrified of the spider gears falling out! You made my day! No more fear for me! I cannot thank you enough for this video!
Thank you so much! My upper and lower spider gears came out unintentionally while replacing the axle seals and I was already expecting the worst as I didn't get them back in. Your video made it very clear and I'm happy to see how easy it is to get them back in.
Beneficial video. Appreciate you taking the time to film it. I have similar repairs to make on both a Dana 44 and a Ford 8.8 from a 2000 Explorer. This was good for a preview of what to expect on the Ford. Thanks again, Clay
ok i know my rear end is going out only one wheel turns but, now the side that doesn't turn the brakes are grinding against the rotor! so my question is will this be fixed once i fix the rear end or is this something else causing this!? they have brand new brakes in the back
Gekkou Raion, the brakes shouldn’t be touching the rotor with enough force to prevent the rotor from spinning if the brake pedal and emergency/parking brake is not set. Something is going on there that is likely independent of the differential issue. I’d take the caliper & rotor off and see if both wheels rotate when the rear is off the ground. Good luck...
On my lord.. I have drove myself crazy trying to figure out how to get some of them gears back in, the ones that the pin goes through.. It all of a sudden looks so easy. Thanks for the awesome video
It looks like others have already said the same thing, but THANK YOU very much! I expect I'll have to be doing this job very soon on my Mustang and you have made it very clear and understandable how to get it done. Good video. Good narration. Keep doing what you do!
Turns out I did end up doing the job and it was much easier to do after having watched your video. I would have been unprepared without it. Thanks again
Thanks a lot. I appreciate it. Yeah, it's important to put the axles back in the same side they came out of. On some diffs its pretty obvious, but on these its not so much.
Extremely helpful ... Thanks a ton! I wasn't planning on touching the spider gears in my 2007 V6 Mustang when I upgraded to the GT500 rear brakes but I found a leaky axle seal and the spider gears fell out when I went to reinstall the big pin in the differential. After 30 minutes of "I almost got the &%a0a$ spider gears lined up that time", I took a break and found your clear and explicit instructions. Well done! Thanks to you I was back on track in less than 3 minutes.
Everyone has days like that. Glad to hear you knew to walk away and regroup before you really screwed something up (e.g. get a big hammer). I'm glad my video helped you out and that you got the job done. Thanks for watching & commenting. I appreciate it.
@@petrocksgarage Is the roll-in of the spider gears as easy as it looked in your video? It seems very straightforward rolling in the 1st gear, rotating the carriage, and rolling in the opposite gear, and lining it up with the 2nd. That easy?
I never comment on videos but after watching I have to say one of the best how to videos I have ever seen on youtube. My wife has a 2001 Mustang is it pretty much the same as the 98? She has a leak on the right rear seal and I noticed lot of play In the axle so it is probably due for some new gears also. Thank you again for the video I will share and watch all of your videos.
+Stephen StephenB, Yes, your wife's '01 is pretty much the same as my wife's '98 (in terms of the differential). I wouldn't condemn the gears before pulling the diff cover and having a look inside. The play could be due to a lot of things, including but not limited to, bad driveshaft u-joints. Good luck...
Yeah, the internals of most open differentials like this are, for the most part, the same. So if you know how to do one, you know how to do others. Good luck.
Thanks so much for helping solve the mystery of how to remove the pinion shaft lock bolt! Mine was fairly stripped by the previous knucklehead so it had to be replaced. Thought I would have to remove the bearing carrier bolts. Yahoo!
Thanks for you advice I was able to spend the top spider gear back into place and put the differential back together. Although its was still some what of a challenge given my short arms and think build. Thanks once again!! Now I need to replace the U-joints so hopefully it goes pretty smooth.
Sorry to hear that. Sounds like you have aftermarket gears installed. Only non-destructive solution I can think of is to unbolt the ring gear. Torque the ring gear bolts down to 60 ft/lbs when reinstalling. Good luck.
@@petrocksgarage I thought the same, 40 years old after all. Even service data says it should clear. I left it (my personal vehicle) since i have an 8.8 ill install once the 7.5 grenades. Thanks
Well, at least you have a backup. Although if your motor is a V6, the 8.8 may be too big and may actually hurt performance depending on the gears that are in it. Good luck.
Great video. You didn't clarify in the video, so someone may do unnecessary work, but you don't need to remove the spider gears if all you are doing is removing the axle shafts. I always just leave them in place.
True, if you have a center pin with a cut out in the middle like the aftermarket one I installed in this video you can just rotate the center pin to give clearance for the axle shafts to be pushed in etc. However, if your center pin does not have the cut out, like the stock one I replaced on this car, you have to remove the center pin. At which point it is super easy for the spider gears to fall out and potentially get damaged if they fall out of the diff & bounce around on your garage floor. So it's often easier/safer to remove them in this case. But go with whichever method works for you.
Thank you for a great video. It explained everything well. I intended on repairing a seal and axle bearing, but now I'm wondering if I should go ahead and put new spider gears in while I have it apart. It is a 96 Ranger with a bunch of miles. It did appear doable from your video, though I know "looks are deceiving."
If the spider gears are loose or worn then definitely replace them. They aren't a normal maintenance item. So, in my opinion, if they aint broke, don't fix 'em. Check out my video on replacing the axle seals & bearings on a ford diff (ruclips.net/video/VXEqzMVRRso/видео.html). Thanks for watching & commenting. I appreciate it.
The o-ring is used for 2 things, when at the factory there less chance of the clip falling out during fast assemble, and if there is tension on the clip there will be less where on it.
hey man thank you so much for the awesome videos. I'm changing the axle bearings on my 8.8 98 Cobra this week, and the instructions are very adamant about not damaging the spider gears when rotating the differential to expose the axle c-clips. in your video you say they just slide out when rotating it - this concerns me lol. what's the best way to rotate everything with the pin out to expose the c-clips without damaging anything? thank you so much in advance
I think the damage they may be referring to is if the spider gears fall out and bang around on the floor. If the gears remain in the carrier then there should be no damage to them. When you get it apart it might make more sense. After rotating the carrier a little, with the pin out, you will see that the spider gears didn't rotate with the carrier. When this happens, just manually & slowly rotate one of the tires to rotate the spider gears back into position. Make sure to rotate the tire while you are watching the gears so you don't rotate it the wrong direction. If you are super worried about the spider gears coming out you could run some zip-ties through the holes in the carrier that the pin goes through & the center of the spider gears to hold the spider gears in place. Basically putting zip ties where the pin was going. Hope that helps. Good luck.
great video thank you. like some commenters i was just doing wheel bearings and seals and my spider gears fell down. tried and tried to get them in. can only get the spider gears back in without the washer, but cant seem to "slip" the washers behind them. looks like i might pull the whole carrier out and assemble on the bench, idk. working on a 2011 f150 with the 9.75 open diff if that makes a difference. thanks for the info.
The washer has a lip that centers it on the spider gear, so you have to install the spider gear & washer together otherwise you'll never get the washer in place. Unless you don't have room to work under your truck, which I think you would have way more then I did under this Mustang, pulling the carrier is a little overkill and could open up a can of worms you don't want to mess with. Its unclear from your comment on if you tried the technique I demonstrate in this video to get the gears back together. If you haven't, I would give it a shot. The gears & washers fit in there before so they should fit back in again (assuming the gear & washer isn't damaged from falling out). Good luck.
@@petrocksgarage finally just got it, took the whole thing out the pumpkin got everything lined up then pushed the main gears apart to get enough room to slide spider gears washer in then was able to rotate and all back together finally haha woohoo bit of a pain. Made sure all shims and spacers all went back as they came out. Thanks for replying
Might be 5 years too late but do you have any idea what the part is at 7:18, any part # or anything? The axle shaft O ring specifically, trying to find one for a buddy of mine for his 95 GT.
In some carriers, doesn't the ring interfere with removing the center pin? I have seen some videos that show that some filing of the ring teeth is required in order to slide out the center pin.
I have not experienced that, but I suspect those are aftermarket gears and/or carriers. Either way, grinding the gears is not the proper solution, IMO. The pin got in there somehow, and it was likely without the ring gear installed. So the solution isn't to grind the gears but to instead remove the carrier and unbolt the ring gear to get it out of the way. Then bolt it back up when done. It's really not that hard to do, and a lot easier than grinding. But to each their own.
@@petrocksgarage yeah, that sounds more responsible. Thanks for your feedback. Your diff and other video subjects are really the most detailed and informative that I have seen. All very well done.
I was able to slide the center pin out of the carrier part way. It is enough to make room within the carrier to push the axles in and remove the c-clips and extract both axles. The center pin lock bolt cannot be removed completely because there is no cutout to make room on the right side bearing cap. The bolt gets hung up, needing another 1/4 inch or so to extract completely. So that's doable after the cap is removed. I still must then decide how to deal with the ring gear/center pin interference issue in order to replace the spider gears.
question, about the rubber O rings on the inside of the left and right shafts. does it ride to the outside of the clips towards the splines or on the inside towards the center of the car?
I have decided my 4:10 gears are a little low as I have only been on the track once with it and now mostly drive on a highway to and from work. I have purchased 3:73 gears but am wondering if I need new bearings since the gears only have about 10K miles on them since replacement. (The entire rear axle was redone when I replaced the original gears.) '97 Mustang GT' Any adise?
Unless the new gear set has a different diameter where they interface with the bearings, you should be able to reuse them. Just take extra care as to not damage the bearings as you remove them from the old gear set & install them onto the new one. Good luck.
hey bro, nice. what would cause excessive in out play on the axle shaft. very good videos very in depth and helpful for people who dont have wads of cash to keep their rides going or who just wanna learn. i dont usually subscribe but your videos are good and i have an above average knowledge of cars thanks
There should be some in/out play with the axle shafts. I'm not sure on the exact spec, but the ABS tone ring should not be able to touch the ABS sensor (if yours has one) nor should the axle seal be able to touch the ABS tone ring or the part of the axle that the wheel studs go into. The center pin in the diff housing prevents the axle from going in too far and the C-Clip & little rubber o-ring on the end of the axle shaft that I show in the video prevent the axle shafts from going out too far. Make sense? Thanks for the complements. I appreciate it and am glad my videos helped you out.
Pet Rock's Garage Hey thanks again turns out the clutch paks behind the side gears in my 8.8 trak lok rear end where worn. i replaced those and good to go. everthing else matched your vid
Thats great. I'm glad my video helped you out and you got your ride back on the road. A limited slip diff is slightly different then an open diff, but not to hard to figure out. Glad you got it done.
10:25 - Right here is where I am having an issue with my reinstallation. The gear sleeve on the back doesn't seem to want to fit in the housing with the gear. Every time it slides the gear in the housing pushes the sleeve off the top. I tried applying pressure as I moved it, but just doesn't want to fit. Hoping you might have an idea or 'trick' to the particular situation. I've tried pulling the clipped axles out as tightly as I could to increase the spacing, but still giving issues. Any advice you might be able to give is appreciated.
+Cloudski, do you mean the little disk/washer that clips onto the gear and goes in-between the bear and the housing as shown around 10:10)? Those should clip onto the gear. Make sure its not damaged or warped or anything like that. Make sure to apply a little bit of oil to both sides of the washer as I show in the video so that it slides into place in the housing easier. Its hard to diagnose this from my keyboard. I would have to have the diff in front of me to tell what is going on. The washer should clip onto the gear so that it doesn't slide off while positioning the gear. Good luck...
Pet Rock's Garage No, I meant the ones at the point shown at 10:25 The smaller spider gears are the ones with the problem. The metal 'washers' on the back of them won't turn into the housing. The gears fit just fine themselves, just the sleeves on the backs of them don't fit in. Ah well ,I will just have to try again after I've had sleep and such, maybe I was missing something in the fatigue of the day working.
+Cloudski, yeah we are talking about the same thing. The small gears have little cupped washers that clip onto them. Make sure that the larger gears are seated all the way into the housing and that the old large flat washers aren't stuck in the housing. You could have two large flat washers on one of the large gears that is pushing the large gear out too far causing clearance issues. Good luck...
Pet Rock's Garage I figured that might be the cause of them not fitting in all the way. I'll likely pull out the larger ones to double check they are seated properly when i have more time and not frustrated already. XD Learning all this on the go, The spider gears coming out was a pure accident while doing axle bearing maintenance. Whoops. :P Thanks for the replies.
So my ranger the drop pin is designed to not come out, it instead has a groove in it that you are supposed to push the axle up against to remove the clips, and I have found nothing on this anywhere on how to do that.
I'm not aware of a ford 8.8/7.5 diff with a pin that isn't supposed to come out. If your pin isn't coming out its probably because it is stuck/seized, not because its not supposed to come out. Some pins do have a groove in it, like the one I install in this video. Maybe some people might use it so they don't have to remove the pin and accidentally drop the spider gears out. But to be able to spin the pin it might just slide out anyways, so you're not really saving any time/effort.
Simple and to the point, not full of a 10 minute speech on the backstory of how the vehicle got to this point, where I bought the parts, why my dog is barking, what I had for breakfast, how I like my new tool….bla bla. Thx
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Finally. Someone with the brains to clearly explain the method for getting the spider gears back in and aligned. Thanks.
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The best video I’ve seen on the spider gear swap. So easy, but not easy unless you’ve watched this video on how to rotate those spider gears in and keeping everything in place for center pin. Thank You!
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I want to say thank you for doing this video. Straight and to the point . My only regret was not finding this video sooner. I was struggling with those spider gears sadly for two hours. Watched your video had it done in two minutes. Thank you once again for such an informative video.
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Thank goodness there is a video explaining this. Now if I mess up when removing the axles and the spider gears fall out its no big deal. Very well explained!
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the hardest part was putting the spider gears back in place . watching this made my job very easy THANKS
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My man!! Earlier today I installed new spider gears in my '91 Ranger 7.5 inch diff with absolute ease thanks to this video. If I hadn't watched this I would've definitely struggled (like I've seen a few fellas struggle here on the RUclipss). Thank you again.
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Thank you so much for this video. I used this video to reposition my spider gears to my 2003 Ford F150 V6 I wouldn’t have been able to do it without you. Keep up the great work.
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This video is so amazingly informative... As a female I'm sure most would understand my worries and fear of replacing my spider gears, my father taught me basics growing up but not anything like this... I feel very confident going at this job after watching this video... THANK YOU IS NOT ENOUGH! I will post a updated comment once I complete this project... Thank you sooooo very much!!!!
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Inquiring minds must know... Did you complete the job?!
Thanks for the video. A lot of people just say "put it back how it came out" and end their videos. You provide methods for everything and do it well 👍
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By far the best video on the topic! Thanks!
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You saved my car today.
Thanks kindly.
My spider gear fell in to a nest and I watched this clip saved my day.
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Dude, thank you for this! I've been getting a nasty clunk in my 91 Ranger's rear end. It doesn't seem like ring/pinion, so I wasn't really sure what it was, but now I'm pretty sure it's the spider gears. You've simplified it enough that I'm going to dig in and give it a shot. Thanks for the concise, well made video. Super valuable.
No problem. Glad to be of service. Good luck.
Without any doubt one of the best videos ever on this repair and I love that it has CC enabled. Thanks so much.
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Thank you for this video! Most people show the removal of a trak lok, I needed to see how the spider gears in an open diff come apart and go back together. You're awesome bro!
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Congrats, this is the very best mustang rear diff rebuild video on youtube. A do it yourselfer like me and can watch this video while doing the actual rebuild and get the job done right. Score perfect 10
+Silicon Valley Engineer, thanks a lot. I appreciate it.
Your video made my job a lot easier. I was able to assemble spider gears, but was scared to attempt before watching your tutorial. Great coaching skills and thanks a million for sharing your knowledge!
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You're on of the best youtubers at describing what to do. Thank you!!
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+Pet Rock's Garage habe you ever had Hell pulling out the shaft? it acts like it wants to come out and gets stuck about 2 inches from locking position. i feel really dumb.
I’m not really sure. They just slid out for me without a problem. I responded to your other post with a suggestion on how to get it out. Good luck...
I second that!!!! I watched a video and the lady mechanic said don’t let the ring hear spin it will misalign the spiders and they are extremely hard to adjust. Well I did just that today actually one fell out into the pan and my anxiety hit defcon 5.
Thank God in heaven I found your video! You are a blessing bro!!
They aren't that hard to adjust once you know how the gears work/mesh together. I'm glad my video helped you out. Thanks a lot.
OMG!! I have replaced countless axle shafts, bearings, etc so many times and every single time I've been petrified of the spider gears falling out!
You made my day! No more fear for me! I cannot thank you enough for this video!
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Thank you so much! My upper and lower spider gears came out unintentionally while replacing the axle seals and I was already expecting the worst as I didn't get them back in. Your video made it very clear and I'm happy to see how easy it is to get them back in.
+KnightVideoEditing, thanks a lot. I appreciate it. I'm glad my video helped you out.
Fantastic video! Never seen a differential tear down and rebuild with this kind of detail. Thanks for sharing!
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very detailed, specific, and clear. thanks for posting this.
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Beneficial video. Appreciate you taking the time to film it. I have similar repairs to make on both a Dana 44 and a Ford 8.8 from a 2000 Explorer. This was good for a preview of what to expect on the Ford. Thanks again, Clay
+Texasknowhow, thanks a lot. I appreciate it and good luck.
Very well installed very thank ful.
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Dude i dont comment much on videos but by god you are a life saver like omg thank you !!!
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Me and my 1996 cobra thank you sir although I have a question
Gekkou Raion, whats your question?
ok i know my rear end is going out only one wheel turns but, now the side that doesn't turn the brakes are grinding against the rotor! so my question is will this be fixed once i fix the rear end or is this something else causing this!? they have brand new brakes in the back
Gekkou Raion, the brakes shouldn’t be touching the rotor with enough force to prevent the rotor from spinning if the brake pedal and emergency/parking brake is not set. Something is going on there that is likely independent of the differential issue. I’d take the caliper & rotor off and see if both wheels rotate when the rear is off the ground. Good luck...
Thank you times 100! Your video re: spider gears saved me. Cheers.
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On my lord.. I have drove myself crazy trying to figure out how to get some of them gears back in, the ones that the pin goes through.. It all of a sudden looks so easy. Thanks for the awesome video
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Excellent video! Very professional and helpful. Thank you Sir!
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Your a excellent teacher. I was just about to replace the whole rear end until I seen your video. Thank you very much
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That was an excellent video. Short and thorough. Best I've seen this far. Nice job!
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Thanks for very instructional and informative videos. I've gotta do the rear seals on my Mustangs and had no clue how.
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It looks like others have already said the same thing, but THANK YOU very much! I expect I'll have to be doing this job very soon on my Mustang and you have made it very clear and understandable how to get it done. Good video. Good narration. Keep doing what you do!
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Turns out I did end up doing the job and it was much easier to do after having watched your video. I would have been unprepared without it. Thanks again
+Johnny Verbeeck, thats greats! Thanks for letting me know. I appreciate it.
Nice video! Glad I replaced the studs on one axle, otherwise I would have them mixed up lol
Thanks a lot. I appreciate it. Yeah, it's important to put the axles back in the same side they came out of. On some diffs its pretty obvious, but on these its not so much.
Extremely helpful ... Thanks a ton! I wasn't planning on touching the spider gears in my 2007 V6 Mustang when I upgraded to the GT500 rear brakes but I found a leaky axle seal and the spider gears fell out when I went to reinstall the big pin in the differential. After 30 minutes of "I almost got the &%a0a$ spider gears lined up that time", I took a break and found your clear and explicit instructions. Well done! Thanks to you I was back on track in less than 3 minutes.
Everyone has days like that. Glad to hear you knew to walk away and regroup before you really screwed something up (e.g. get a big hammer). I'm glad my video helped you out and that you got the job done. Thanks for watching & commenting. I appreciate it.
This is an awesome video!! Thank you so much! I am no longer afraid of my spider gears! Real spiders are a different story!👍
Thanks a lot. I appreciate it. I also agree about spiders, especially if one crawls on you.
Really good video. Helped me a lot when my gears fell out when I was replacing my bearings. Thank you.
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Mine fell out doin hub bearing thanks bro direct to the point no nonsense bullish
Thank you! Was having trouble getting the spider gears installed correctly, and this helped. Got it all back together again.
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Damn good instructions
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Damn, I wish more mechanics were like you! Great job and video...sub'd!
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Seeing you work the spider gears helped me figure out my problem!! Thank you
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great video. my only question, are 7.5 spider gears and 8.8 the same size aside from spline?
I don't think so. I think the 8.8 spider gears are slightly bigger. They are different part numbers. But the install procedure is identical.
You helped me your real good at this as the comments reflects
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Nice job I have a 93 F-150 8.8 it has a lot of backlash going to get the parts and take care of it you make it look easy good video thank you
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Was replacing the axles and the spider gears fell out. Thanks for relieving a lot of stress for me today.
I bet that was a P.I.T.A. Glad to be of service.
Thank you very much for this video. 🙏
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Excellent video. Very thorough and informative.
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@@petrocksgarage Is the roll-in of the spider gears as easy as it looked in your video? It seems very straightforward rolling in the 1st gear, rotating the carriage, and rolling in the opposite gear, and lining it up with the 2nd. That easy?
@@jockodog2009, yeah pretty much.
Great video thank you, this made a few things little clearer and easier to see specially with the inside of the diff.
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Wow ! Love the way you explained that.
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I never comment on videos but after watching I have to say one of the best how to videos I have ever seen on youtube. My wife has a 2001 Mustang is it pretty much the same as the 98? She has a leak on the right rear seal and I noticed lot of play In the axle so it is probably due for some new gears also. Thank you again for the video I will share and watch all of your videos.
+Stephen StephenB, Yes, your wife's '01 is pretty much the same as my wife's '98 (in terms of the differential). I wouldn't condemn the gears before pulling the diff cover and having a look inside. The play could be due to a lot of things, including but not limited to, bad driveshaft u-joints. Good luck...
Damn dude you're the best I've seen and I've looked at
I know you inspired me to do it
Myself
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You mentioned this is Ford but it’s the exact same thing as my GM 7.5, I think I can do this 💪🏽, very specific and detailed video
Yeah, the internals of most open differentials like this are, for the most part, the same. So if you know how to do one, you know how to do others. Good luck.
Great video, appreciate it. Plan to do this on an 85 5.0 thanks for the walk-through
+Patrick McLevaine, thanks. Good luck...
you are awesome....i got a piece together Commanche....has an 8.8 rearend...you answered all my questions and gave me a few tricks
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A thousand thank you's for the great video and explaining it so well!
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Thanks so much for helping solve the mystery of how to remove the pinion shaft lock bolt! Mine was fairly stripped by the previous knucklehead so it had to be replaced. Thought I would have to remove the bearing carrier bolts. Yahoo!
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Nicely presented. Thanks for the in depth info!
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Very good video!
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very helpful, saved me from having a heart attack. i did this on a 2010 crown victoria p71 . thank you.
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Thanks for you advice I was able to spend the top spider gear back into place and put the differential back together. Although its was still some what of a challenge given my short arms and think build. Thanks once again!! Now I need to replace the U-joints so hopefully it goes pretty smooth.
Thats great! I'm glad you got it figured out. Good luck on the U-joints.
by far the best video for this subject!
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im glad this worked for you, my pin hits the ring gear both ways.
Sorry to hear that. Sounds like you have aftermarket gears installed. Only non-destructive solution I can think of is to unbolt the ring gear. Torque the ring gear bolts down to 60 ft/lbs when reinstalling. Good luck.
@@petrocksgarage I thought the same, 40 years old after all. Even service data says it should clear. I left it (my personal vehicle) since i have an 8.8 ill install once the 7.5 grenades. Thanks
Well, at least you have a backup. Although if your motor is a V6, the 8.8 may be too big and may actually hurt performance depending on the gears that are in it. Good luck.
Excellent video! Took the mystery out of it!
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You are a got damn life saver step by step perfectly
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Watched a few of these before I work on mine, yours has been the best one. Good Job!
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FANTASTIC INFORMATIVE Going to attack this job rear driver side bearing starting to make noise thanx
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Great video. You didn't clarify in the video, so someone may do unnecessary work, but you don't need to remove the spider gears if all you are doing is removing the axle shafts. I always just leave them in place.
True, if you have a center pin with a cut out in the middle like the aftermarket one I installed in this video you can just rotate the center pin to give clearance for the axle shafts to be pushed in etc. However, if your center pin does not have the cut out, like the stock one I replaced on this car, you have to remove the center pin. At which point it is super easy for the spider gears to fall out and potentially get damaged if they fall out of the diff & bounce around on your garage floor. So it's often easier/safer to remove them in this case. But go with whichever method works for you.
Thank you for this video it was a tremendous help.
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Excellent video
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Extremely helpful video! Great job. Thank you!
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Thank you for a great video. It explained everything well. I intended on repairing a seal and axle bearing, but now I'm wondering if I should go ahead and put new spider gears in while I have it apart. It is a 96 Ranger with a bunch of miles. It did appear doable from your video, though I know "looks are deceiving."
If the spider gears are loose or worn then definitely replace them. They aren't a normal maintenance item. So, in my opinion, if they aint broke, don't fix 'em. Check out my video on replacing the axle seals & bearings on a ford diff (ruclips.net/video/VXEqzMVRRso/видео.html). Thanks for watching & commenting. I appreciate it.
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good vid leared something i never knew before
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Thanks for the solid instructions man
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Any idea for a case where the spider gear doesn't quite want to fit back in, as in it pushes the washers off??
I don't follow what you mean by "pushes the washers off". Could you elaborate on what you mean?
The o-ring is used for 2 things, when at the factory there less chance of the clip falling out during fast assemble, and if there is tension on the clip there will be less where on it.
+Dean Gamelin, that makes sense. Thanks for the explanation.
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Great info and down to earth. Great Job
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Thanks you made it look easy!
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hey man thank you so much for the awesome videos. I'm changing the axle bearings on my 8.8 98 Cobra this week, and the instructions are very adamant about not damaging the spider gears when rotating the differential to expose the axle c-clips. in your video you say they just slide out when rotating it - this concerns me lol. what's the best way to rotate everything with the pin out to expose the c-clips without damaging anything? thank you so much in advance
I think the damage they may be referring to is if the spider gears fall out and bang around on the floor. If the gears remain in the carrier then there should be no damage to them. When you get it apart it might make more sense.
After rotating the carrier a little, with the pin out, you will see that the spider gears didn't rotate with the carrier. When this happens, just manually & slowly rotate one of the tires to rotate the spider gears back into position. Make sure to rotate the tire while you are watching the gears so you don't rotate it the wrong direction. If you are super worried about the spider gears coming out you could run some zip-ties through the holes in the carrier that the pin goes through & the center of the spider gears to hold the spider gears in place. Basically putting zip ties where the pin was going. Hope that helps. Good luck.
great video! very well shot and very informative! thank you!
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great video thank you. like some commenters i was just doing wheel bearings and seals and my spider gears fell down. tried and tried to get them in. can only get the spider gears back in without the washer, but cant seem to "slip" the washers behind them. looks like i might pull the whole carrier out and assemble on the bench, idk. working on a 2011 f150 with the 9.75 open diff if that makes a difference. thanks for the info.
The washer has a lip that centers it on the spider gear, so you have to install the spider gear & washer together otherwise you'll never get the washer in place. Unless you don't have room to work under your truck, which I think you would have way more then I did under this Mustang, pulling the carrier is a little overkill and could open up a can of worms you don't want to mess with. Its unclear from your comment on if you tried the technique I demonstrate in this video to get the gears back together. If you haven't, I would give it a shot. The gears & washers fit in there before so they should fit back in again (assuming the gear & washer isn't damaged from falling out). Good luck.
@@petrocksgarage finally just got it, took the whole thing out the pumpkin got everything lined up then pushed the main gears apart to get enough room to slide spider gears washer in then was able to rotate and all back together finally haha woohoo bit of a pain. Made sure all shims and spacers all went back as they came out. Thanks for replying
@@REsuperGRX7 Glad to hear you got it sorted out.
Might be 5 years too late but do you have any idea what the part is at 7:18, any part # or anything? The axle shaft O ring specifically, trying to find one for a buddy of mine for his 95 GT.
Sorry, I'm not sure. I would contact a local axle shop and see if they know. It's not a sealing o-ring, that is for sure. Good luck.
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In some carriers, doesn't the ring interfere with removing the center pin? I have seen some videos that show that some filing of the ring teeth is required in order to slide out the center pin.
I have not experienced that, but I suspect those are aftermarket gears and/or carriers. Either way, grinding the gears is not the proper solution, IMO. The pin got in there somehow, and it was likely without the ring gear installed. So the solution isn't to grind the gears but to instead remove the carrier and unbolt the ring gear to get it out of the way. Then bolt it back up when done. It's really not that hard to do, and a lot easier than grinding. But to each their own.
@@petrocksgarage yeah, that sounds more responsible. Thanks for your feedback. Your diff and other video subjects are really the most detailed and informative that I have seen. All very well done.
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How would I remove the carrier if I can't get the center pin past the ring gear, and therefore also can't get the c-clips off the axle to pull them ?
I was able to slide the center pin out of the carrier part way. It is enough to make room within the carrier to push the axles in and remove the c-clips and extract both axles. The center pin lock bolt cannot be removed completely because there is no cutout to make room on the right side bearing cap. The bolt gets hung up, needing another 1/4 inch or so to extract completely. So that's doable after the cap is removed. I still must then decide how to deal with the ring gear/center pin interference issue in order to replace the spider gears.
good job hard to get lost good step by step
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question, about the rubber O rings on the inside of the left and right shafts. does it ride to the outside of the clips towards the splines or on the inside towards the center of the car?
I’m not sure it matters. But on my case they were towards the center of the car on both axels.
I have decided my 4:10 gears are a little low as I have only been on the track once with it and now mostly drive on a highway to and from work. I have purchased 3:73 gears but am wondering if I need new bearings since the gears only have about 10K miles on them since replacement. (The entire rear axle was redone when I replaced the original gears.) '97 Mustang GT'
Any adise?
Unless the new gear set has a different diameter where they interface with the bearings, you should be able to reuse them. Just take extra care as to not damage the bearings as you remove them from the old gear set & install them onto the new one. Good luck.
hey bro, nice. what would cause excessive in out play on the axle shaft. very good videos very in depth and helpful for people who dont have wads of cash to keep their rides going or who just wanna learn. i dont usually subscribe but your videos are good and i have an above average knowledge of cars thanks
There should be some in/out play with the axle shafts. I'm not sure on the exact spec, but the ABS tone ring should not be able to touch the ABS sensor (if yours has one) nor should the axle seal be able to touch the ABS tone ring or the part of the axle that the wheel studs go into. The center pin in the diff housing prevents the axle from going in too far and the C-Clip & little rubber o-ring on the end of the axle shaft that I show in the video prevent the axle shafts from going out too far. Make sense?
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Pet Rock's Garage Hey thanks again turns out the clutch paks behind the side gears in my 8.8 trak lok rear end where worn. i replaced those and good to go. everthing else matched your vid
Thats great. I'm glad my video helped you out and you got your ride back on the road. A limited slip diff is slightly different then an open diff, but not to hard to figure out. Glad you got it done.
10:25 - Right here is where I am having an issue with my reinstallation. The gear sleeve on the back doesn't seem to want to fit in the housing with the gear. Every time it slides the gear in the housing pushes the sleeve off the top. I tried applying pressure as I moved it, but just doesn't want to fit. Hoping you might have an idea or 'trick' to the particular situation.
I've tried pulling the clipped axles out as tightly as I could to increase the spacing, but still giving issues. Any advice you might be able to give is appreciated.
+Cloudski, do you mean the little disk/washer that clips onto the gear and goes in-between the bear and the housing as shown around 10:10)? Those should clip onto the gear. Make sure its not damaged or warped or anything like that. Make sure to apply a little bit of oil to both sides of the washer as I show in the video so that it slides into place in the housing easier. Its hard to diagnose this from my keyboard. I would have to have the diff in front of me to tell what is going on. The washer should clip onto the gear so that it doesn't slide off while positioning the gear. Good luck...
Pet Rock's Garage No, I meant the ones at the point shown at 10:25
The smaller spider gears are the ones with the problem. The metal 'washers' on the back of them won't turn into the housing. The gears fit just fine themselves, just the sleeves on the backs of them don't fit in.
Ah well ,I will just have to try again after I've had sleep and such, maybe I was missing something in the fatigue of the day working.
+Cloudski, yeah we are talking about the same thing. The small gears have little cupped washers that clip onto them. Make sure that the larger gears are seated all the way into the housing and that the old large flat washers aren't stuck in the housing. You could have two large flat washers on one of the large gears that is pushing the large gear out too far causing clearance issues. Good luck...
Pet Rock's Garage I figured that might be the cause of them not fitting in all the way. I'll likely pull out the larger ones to double check they are seated properly when i have more time and not frustrated already. XD
Learning all this on the go, The spider gears coming out was a pure accident while doing axle bearing maintenance. Whoops. :P
Thanks for the replies.
Yeah, sometimes its good to step away and do something else. Come back to it later with a clear head. Good luck...
do u have a vid on how to change out the gears for example I want new 373s
+Lino Acuna, sorry, I do not. Good luck in your search.
Thanks anyway bro this is a great bid by the way.thought it would be a lot harder but u broke it down good thanks
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So my ranger the drop pin is designed to not come out, it instead has a groove in it that you are supposed to push the axle up against to remove the clips, and I have found nothing on this anywhere on how to do that.
I'm not aware of a ford 8.8/7.5 diff with a pin that isn't supposed to come out. If your pin isn't coming out its probably because it is stuck/seized, not because its not supposed to come out.
Some pins do have a groove in it, like the one I install in this video. Maybe some people might use it so they don't have to remove the pin and accidentally drop the spider gears out. But to be able to spin the pin it might just slide out anyways, so you're not really saving any time/effort.
@@petrocksgarage i swear this pin does not come out because it cant get past the gear so the put a groove in it to remove the c clip
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