The 10 Most Overrated Commodore 64 Games By Zzap!64
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- Опубликовано: 6 авг 2024
- Hey guys OSG here with the follow up video to C64 games that ZZap scored unbelievably low. In this video we are going to be looking at the flip side of that and probably the ones that we remember the most. I’m sure we can all remember buying a game on the strength of a review when we were younger but every now and again we were…. Well there is no easy way to say this….lied to resulting in us expecting a great game but then getting a mediocre one at best.
I’ve trawled through loads of high scoring games in Zzap (most of which are great id like to add) and found 10 games that were way overrated in Zzap64. I’ve stuck to scores over 90% as they were the ones that really made us go out and buy the games and put them in order of how far apart I would say they are from the actual score that the game deserved.
So without more delay lets take a look at the 10 most overrated Commodore 64 Games by Zzap64!
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Games in this video :-
Ballblazer
Forgotten Worlds
Hercules
Renegade III: The Final Chapter
Golden Axe
Ferrari Formula One
Liverpool
Operation Thunderbolt
Trolls
The Jetsons 
Игры
"...those Amstrad bastards..." whatever does he mean? xD haha! Love the "OSG comin' out swinging" comment from someone else here - so true! Mate, I know you had a couple of bellends recently having digs about your voice over and accent but f*** 'em - you have so much personality coming through here in your voice over and Geordie inflections just make it so much better! 100% prefer this than some robot reading off a script in that condescending style that most the gaming videos are these days.
I don't think he meant Amstrad users were bastards but simply some bastards did own Amstrads and they were being smart assed about it. For no reason whatsoever. Hihi
OSG's voice overs are great. The main reason I watch this channel compared to others.
“Giving those amstrad bastards ammo” lol. I forgot how good the playground computer wars used to be.
I smiled when I heard that ;-)
as pointless a war as ford v vauxhall or wham bar v those slightly western themed toffee bars that i cant remember the name of
Highland Toffee?
That made me laugh
technically the C64 owners had the Ammo, they'd be throwing these tapes at us CPC owners (after removing the tape inside and trying to strangle us with it, because it really had no better use here)
I proper spat my toast out and gave my kid a fright when I laughed at the “more ammunition for those Amstrad bastards” comment!
Great video 😆
Lol
A lot of these games were a lot better when I was 8 years old, thats for sure. A lot of your picks come from the 'bad' phase of Zzap64 when the glory years had well and truly ended and the reviewers and style were radically different. Great video though, I love these.
I think the acid test for me was that my mate had a C64 and we, ahem, had a large and pretty complete collection of games. I cannot remember ever playing any of these (maybe Ball Blazer for 5 minutes) . However, Summer Games, Winter Games, Paradroid, Kick start, Uridium, Marble Madness - yes those were good games.
Ferrari was an attempted simulation of Formula 1. I liked the realistic natural when it came to car configuration, setup and the practice and qualifying but yeah, the actual racing was horrible. I went and had a look at the Amiga and Atari ST versions and they're not much better. The PC DOS version seems to be the best. Says a lot at how bad the racing is when a 1988 game is the best on the PC.
The fundamental error in Zzap!64’s reviewing system happened after Chris Anderson left. Before then, you didn’t need 90% for a Sizzler nor a ridiculous 97% for a gold medal (later lowered to 96%). But after that point, although the magazine used the full ratings range (memorably scoring some games in the low single figures), it seemed to feel compelled to squash things up at the high end. Hence you have Hawkeye-a game you could recommend but that for me at the time probably deserved about 80%-shifted upwards by two degrees. You also have absurd situations where the likes of Wizball misses out on the highest accolade due to an arbitrary barrier, despite the game objectively being state of the art.
Yeah its like they left no place for really good games to go by giving the mediocre ones 90+ scores and vice versa for the bad ones.
@@oldstylegaming For the most part, ratings should be on a bell curve, if you’re being exhaustive in coverage-which you could almost be in those days. Zzap! ratings had that *except* the skew at the high end. You do wonder how things would have shifted has a Sizzler been 80%+ and GMs dished out not for a specific score but when an editor thought a game deserved that gong-kind of like what happens with a modern-day editor’s choice award.
(These days, ratings tend to skew more positive because there’s less space for products that are mediocre. Mags I write for tend to be full of 4/5 and 5/5 ratings not because we are going easy on products, but because we just don’t review the crap.)
Fully agree with you about Hawkeye. I've said it's around the 80% mark myself.
I've read a comment that Zzap 64 and Thalamus was owned by the same parent company. I've not been able to find if that's true or not, but it would explain some reviews, including Hawkeye. To be fair though, games such as Armalyte, CREATURES and Retrograde were fantastic games.
@@TeesterX it is true, they also owned crash magazine too
The review for Op Thunderbolt was done for a version coded for the C64 on a PC. When it came to move the code across something went wrong and the programmers had to knock up a quick version for the market, hence it being crap
hehe OSG comin' out swinging :D Hawkeye first came to mind when i remember thinking where's the 96% in this? and years later even the guys admitted they boosted the score. But the biggest one for me is Double Dragon which got 15% -- I'd give it -30% giving it a 45% discrepancy :D Love the video mate, another fantastic idea you came up with!
i actually think someone suggested this or something like it so I cant take all the credit lol
@@oldstylegaming then credit to your superb selectivity! ;)
I believe thalamus owned the publishing house or vice versa, and pressured the editor into a gold medal, which he revealed in an episode of retrogamer. Mind you it's not a bad game, just not a gold medal.
@@Edgel-in6bs perfectly said!
I think you're being generous with that Golden Axe score, think I'd give that one around 25% as with only a single enemy at a time there's no real game to speak of. (I think Target Renegade is also massively overrated as a game on other platforms for a similar reason, the enemy count is significantly reduced form the first game to the point it's boring)
I like target renegade most on the spectrum
I can't see how they could of done better, it was at least a better effort than Double Dragon despite being only 1 player game, the creatures are still rideable, the presentation and music is very accurate, and ending sequence is all there, and because of that it has one of the best ending sequence on the C64.
@@MarkWhich agreed with the end sequence, and the presentation (apart from the colours)
"I can't see how they could of done better" Even if I wasn't a C64 fanboy growing up, I've come to acknowledge it was capable of delivering arcade quality experiences where other platforms weren't. In this case every single other port of the game I've played delivered a vastly superior game. The essence of this kind of game is crowd management; taking the correct positions on screen not to be overwhelmed or leave yourself vulnerable to other attacks. Being able to ride creatures is pointless when all the fighting is one-on-one as much of the reason you'd want to use one is gone.
I played through the C64 version after watching this review, and frankly I thought it was diabolical. I've played cheap knock-off budget games that got more right in terms of the gameplay than this did. It looks alright (not great) and has some decent music, but the core of the game is missing, and that's the most important part. If compromises to the speed were needed to keep the gameplay in tact those should have been made.
The C64 could, and should have done a lot better with this one.
@@mamehaze Yeah, the Spectrum and CPC ports of Golden Axe had several enemies on screen (in one shot I have here I see two brutes, one of which is sat on a dragon, plus two of the lil dudes you kick for power ups so that's like five entities not including either player) AND the 2 player mode the C64 was lacking so yeah I find it odd the C64 didn't have those. Same goes for other beat em ups like the Turtles one. Got a shot here of that on the CPC with Leo facing FIVE foot soldiers at same time AND it's got a 2 player mode. And plays really well. The C64 version had several enemies on screen (making it better than Golden Axe) but not quite as many as CPC/Spec and again it's lacking the 2 player mode (also the Turtles lack their individual colour bands due to the colour per sprite limit of the C64 whereas the CPC version has all the colours). I just feel the C64 could have done a lot better with these ports than the ones that came out.
At last your vids are showing up on my RUclips again. Great stuff as always buddy an I hope Liverpool was on that list for the right reasons 😉😉 even as a big fan of them I will say your right with this one tbf 😂. Well as am done with this video am going to see what ones I have missed. Great work as always man an roll on the next one.
Ive missed you mate...i thought you had died
@@oldstylegaming 😂😂😂 on the plus side I have a few of your vids to catch up on ☺️
I remember buying Forgotten World on budget, but still on the strength of the full priced review. The controls were awful, and I quickly got bored with it. Also, sometimes the excellent graphics drop into block ZX Spectrum territory. It has all the hallmarks of something that was released before it was ready, lacking some essential polish.
Also, Golden Axe was the first game where I was expecting more levels, but was disappointed to be watching the end game credits instead.
Oh man, you cracked me up. Especially the "spinning" in Forgotten Worlds. Thanks, I needed that.
Great Video OSG!!! not surprised to see old mates Renegade 3 and Forgotten Worlds on the list.
Forgotten Worlds is such a shame
I've played a lot of C64 games and yet out of all those games, I think I've only played Ballblazer, and while it's okay I really never played it much because it's more of a 2-player game than one to play solo, as you said. So that probably backs up what you're saying; if these are all 90%+ games, then why didn't any of my friends recommend them? Because they're fairly crap!
Yeah mate they definitely not good games .... thought you would have played golden axe though
@@oldstylegaming Strangely I don't remember playing Golden Axe on the C64; think I played it only on Amiga and Megadrive/Genesis where it was actually pretty good. And arcade of course!
@@oldstylegaming
Ballblazer's an easy recommendation for those of us who mostly can't stand Track and Field style button mashers(after Winter games, the novelty was gone) or complicated sports sims with low frame rates.
And what other 3d sports games were there, at the time, with that kind of performance? I spent more time with that game than any other on your list.
No objections to the rest, though. Golden Axe, especially....the Spectrum version felt arcade perfect by comparison.
Could never understand why the dude in Golden Axe was green and yellow on screen but the figure at the bottom of the screen between the sword blades is tanned...this game was a real shocker compared to other versions I played on Megadrive or even PC with the crappy PC speaker...
Agreeable list you got there. I personally liked C64 version of Operation Thunderbird, it was one of the few games that supported lightgun. But then, when I got Amiga I saw how much better the Amiga version was.
Amiga was way stronger machine than C64.
The Operation Thunderbolt review was of an unfinished, never to be released version of the game. The actual version you could play was the game released for Hit Squad and was different.
I’m one of those in the pro Trolls camp…..48%? What are you thinking, man! Seriously though I enjoyed this. I’ve been burned so many times about overrated games that even this day I pay no attention to game reviews at all. I rely on word of mouth from people I trust.
I agree almost totally but i had Trolls and was difficult to play, but it was beautiful platform game if you manage to control the character. Thanks for the review!
46% for Emlyn Hughes Soccer ?!?
Holy Shit that`s scandalous !
This is my favourite Football game on the C64.
I know mate ... ridiculous
I was very lucky to not have bought most of these games. The only one I purchased was Ballblazer and that to me should be in the mid 60% range. Loved reading Zzap64 as a kid and I always tried to get the gold medal games. I even had to purchase a disk drive to play Project Stealth Fighter. Those were the days. 😁
In 8 out of 10 cases, the inflated scores all come from 'later' Zzap, when the original reviewers had departed. I'd moved to the Amiga by November 1986 so never saw most of these games. Nor, indeed, the later magazines. I suspect that, with a diminishing C64 scene, generous scores were handed out more frequently.
Zzap64 rapidly went down after issue 50,mass staff departure hit it hard.
i must admit - the minute i saw ballblazer running, my jaw dropped and i thought the future of games was here..... however, the longevity score was ridiculous and should have been about 50%..... years later i reckon the reviewers just got the game on the day of final submission and played it for about half an hour at most
Man, you always got me getting into the C64 again! Keep these coming!
Hey Bri long time no see, hope everything good for you
Nice one was hoping to see a most overrated games video after I mentioned it in the comments of the last video and no surprise my pick Ballblazer was in there.for me that would be number 1. It was intetesting to see a lot of the games were from the period when the mag was cu/amiga content probably to keep readers buying c64 games. If its not already been done how about a top 10 C64 budget games list Kickstart 2 would be my top pick 😀
Ive done that video recently mate :-)
Hilarious stuff..... No holding back tonight then? 😂 I remember the Golden Axe disappointment. It really was as dull as dishwater that conversion.
im slowly turning into an angry man while doing these videos lol
had an amazing soundtrack though, I never regretted buying it just because the main theme by Jeroen Tel was (is) insanely good
Maybe software houses would ring up Zapp and sweet talk them into giving them good reviews?
Reviews in there could make or break a game.
Also the eye catching artwork on the front cover could encourage people to buy it.
Still doing amazing things !! Thank you for the great content !!
I appreciate that!
I would say the controls for Forgotten Worlds deserved 93... out of a 1000. When playing in 2 player mode the enemy bullets seemed to be targeted at player 1 all the time.
lol
oh yes my fave and the best c64 tune in the intro.......... cybernoid 2. all hail the lord god jeroen tel 💕... oh and first 🤓
I think Jeroen might be my favourite C64 musician ever you know, all his stuff is class
@@oldstylegaming i concur 100%
And ironically, part of another overrated game.
I recall being puzzled by the Golden Axe review when I bought the magazine. The 96% score didn't match the reviewers' description of the game, and they seemed to be trying to excuse the problem of fighting only one enemy at a time.
OMFG! YES! I fell for the fragging review of Forgotten Worlds... what a let down. Not at first, but as I played I just realized how poor the gameplay was, how unwieldy the control system was and just how--- mediocre it felt. What a burn.
I had a c64 game cant remember it and haven't seen it on your page. It was a side scroller. You were a ship I remember transforming into a robot and shooting at a Medusa head killing the snakes. Help me what was it?
I was actually gonna suggest you did this vid, you must have read my mind!
I can't thank you enough, OSG, for putting a huge smile on my face after three miserable days where everything that could go wrong, did go wrong. Now I've watched this peach of a review, and my ribs nearly cracked with that angry, pissed-off voice of yours, and all that swearing, lol! Mate, you're a bullshit-free treasure zone, and of the games you mentioned that I remember clearly....well, I wouldn't disagree with a word you say. I mean, take Forgotten Worlds for instance: more like 'Forgotten Gameplay' I reckon, as I lost interest after maybe three, highly frustrating, can't be arsed attempts. Your take on this? "The thing that really boils my piss about this review is that the hookability score was 97", lol! Honestly, I nearly spat my hot chocolate over my bed when I heard that, heh heh! Greetings from Wolverhampton, and keep up the great work, bud. You're an absolute legend, lol. 👍👍👍
Aw thanks mate... i did actually get angry when i was reading the reviews haha
@@oldstylegaming Yes, I think it kind of came through, lol ;-)
Great video. The "journalists" of the time were largely corrupt or more simply incompetent, after all, even today is not that the state of "video game critic" is much better. I was sure to find Hawkeye in first place!
Well Hawkeye aint in.... yeah it was overrated but its still a great game and i would score it high 70% only giving a 20% difference .... but yeah was overrated
Rubbish. Many of them were young and over-enthusiastic, especially at Newsfield. They made mistakes, it so does every critic. I’ve reviewed probably thousands of products over the past 20 years, but you never have the benefit of hindsight at the time. Getting a bit carried away or being overly harsh is an easy thing to get caught up in, particularly early on in your career.
I agree with all these, my sister used to love Trolls on the amiga thought but the controls were well slippery and had too much inertia so I was crap at it.
How do you check the zap’s?
You still have physical copy’s?
I have a few physical copies but i just use zzap bible website
If memory serves, that Trolls game was turned into Oscar on the Amiga, and was bundled with the A1200, and became the first game I played on my brand spanking new Amiga in late 1993. Now That's What I Call Disillusionment. Luckily, there was another game included - Dennis. Phew, that was close. [Narrator: It was even worse].
Lol
I'm curious what the discrepancy between lemon64 and zzap for these games are. Excellent video BTW
They not far off mine. Lemon is a great reference tool as its the masses you vote not just one guy
"You wanna play TicTacToe Ultra?"
"Nah, I have a feeling it's overrated."
I was expecting Manic Miner to appear somewhere on this list lol.
As I've just said on the previous video, reviewers being 'influenced' isn't a new phenomenon. I'm sure we all got duped at some time or another back in the day by overinflated review scores, or misleading screenshots not just in magazines, but also on the boxes of the games themselves.
Many of those reviewers are probably still in the industry working for the likes of IGN, Metacritic, and Rotten Tomatoes.
Not often I hear a fellow north east accent on RUclips. Good content I used to enjoy golden axe I've got the sega genesis on my Xbox...not as good as the old arcade version but still nostalgic.
Weird that the best accent in the country isn't more prominent on youtube lol
@@oldstylegaming 😂 very true mate
The picture of operation wolf brings back big memories of the Spanish city amusements back in the day.
Had a c64 when I was younger with a lot of games but never seen anyone of these
What is the best emulator to use ? I tried VICE but when I 'autostart' a rom nothing happens.
what's the extension of the 'rom'...if it's .zip I'd uncompress it and try again.
@@stoicvampirepig6063 Thanks. They are unzipped. They are either tape or disk images.
Won't start though.
I think the older vice was a bit easier to use maybe
Hi! Seems that Forgotten Worlds ZX-Spectrum's version is much more playable. As I remember I've finished few levels...
Good video. Its amazing the effect of a glossy magazine with fantastic screen shots and a positive review will have on you.
IT BOILS MY PISS AND IS UTTER SHITE
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Thanks mate
thanks for making this video! Love your C64 content :)
My friend had an Atari 800 and I have to say that Ballblazer was superior on that platform. It was noticeably smoother than the C64 version, which felt disorientating at times. Zzap accuracy reviews post-Penn/Rignall tailed off imho. I only recently discovered that Paul Sumner was a fictional reviewer - WTF!
Lol i never knew that
Early days, his reviews were written by the others to make it look like the team was larger. Later, he became a pen name for new reviewers they were testing out.
Two that spring to mind that I bought that were Sizzlers and gold medal rates respectively are Zoids and Spindizzy, total waste of pocket money.
Me and my buddies used to call Hercules....Cuntules
lol
What was the opening SID tune?? Midnight Resistance??
Cybernoid 2 mate
@@oldstylegaming 👍 They don’t make em like they used to!
I had Renegade 3 for the ZX Spectrum. Utter pants compared to the previous games. Plus I had the challenge of the Speccy monochrome graphics. What a waste of pocket money that was!
You're very gracious not calling out these mags just plain old being bought off.
Cause that's what happened.
Aww... The Jetsons... I bought this and couldn't get passed the first level. I still don't know what to do. Luckily Zzap published a walkthrough but ... Really? Did they check this or just used the walkthrough as a page filler? Another game that scored fair enough by Zzap is Steg the Slug. Well, I'm amazed it got any score at all since the manual gives hints that are impossible to do in the C64 version and fails to inform that at later levels (I think I remember it's level 6) you simply HAVE to find the secret in the level to progress. I thought secrets are done kind of a bonus for advanced players. Well, anyway. Another great video. Thank you. Oh, also .. Wizball is overrated
In my honest opinion.
What happened to the barbarian in "Golden Axe"? He's green as a cucumber. Just look at the barbarians in well yes.."Barbarian" The vic chip was capable of su much more. But Golden Axe on the Amiga 500 was a real blast...
The most overrated C64 game I had was “The Eidolon”…
I’m pretty sure it got a ZZap Gold Medal around 1985/1986…
The whole instruction booklet was really good, a huge foldout explaining the background storyline…
The graphics were very, very impressive for the time…
But, after playing it a few times, it just became very, very boring and repetitive, same grey cave environment, no real skill in shooting…etc etc…
It was a case of it having an abundance of style, but no substance or playability whatsoever…
Great idea! I would have put strider in the list, it was such a shitty version of the magnificent arcade game, I remember also the amiga version was really shitty. Probably it was the amiga version that got high scores, I don't know, many years have passed since then :)
Strider only got 42% lol so they actually got that right
boils my piss........ classic
Amstrad bastards
LOL was that a load of Captain Cavemans in Renegade III?
Its a ridiculous sequel mate... just doesnt make sense after the first two games
I think Captain Caveman instantly marks a game up by at least 25%. Zowie!
I am happy to see this channel picking up in popularity ☺️
Thanks mate me too
Whoah what?! I love Ballblazer as a kid, its fast, smooth, addictive and easy to understand especially for a pseudo 3D game like this. I would give it an 8 out of 10.
Hope you do a video on Hewson, if you haven't already
Yeah, this is the one - Golden Axe for C64. It was such shit in comparison to the Amiga version. And in Amiga Power they took a dump on it, while Zap praised the C64 port... WTF? PS. Back then I actually did not notice, that there was always only one enemy on the screen in C64 port - adds one more point to the shit factor.
ZZaps 64 reviews were based on advertisinng revenue. The more revenue and future ads promised, the better the score for a game.
Nice video, I like your passion!
'Heroes of the Lance' was one for me, albeit not a ZZap review. Commodore Computing International did a review and labelled it 'Awesome'.
I had never been exposed to D&D before and did not agree.
"We can all remember buying a game [...] when we were younger." Ummm no, that doesn't ring a bell at all.
You never bought a game?
@@oldstylegaming Not for the C64. On the C64, we were 12-15 years old after all and noone I knew of had neither money nor desire to pay when we could get it all for free anyway. That's just how it was. After growing up, I would end up as a developer at a games company, but that's another story :-)
Arrrr matey!
I had a paper round and bought a few ...like the big box ones and some budget games but yeah i had a lot of copies too
We used to buy loads until we ended up buying a floppy drive, then the world changed from shelves full of boxed games to piles of mostly unlabelled disks
Golden axe had awesome sound track but as u say 1 enemy on screen just ruined it.i brought operation Thunderbolt on the zzap review and I was disappointed.it was ok but after the hype by them I was left wanting more
Mate even before I pressed play on your vid I was thinking 'Forgotten Worlds should be here' & I wasn't wrong, it was overrated & quite a disappointment, I think the only saving grace(s) were the yellow dragon sprite & the cut scenes, but thats it.
I had most of these back in the day. Ballblazer is just a sexed-up Pong. Forgotten Worlds has lovely music and graphics, but the spinning characters are just stupid. Hercules (and Yolanda) drive you crazy unless you have save-states. Renegade III, again, just eye candy and cool music. I felt the same about the Cybernoid games.
All those bad games need to balance out with some good ones like: Creatures 1 & 2, Poster Paster, Cauldron 1 & 2, All the Dizzy adventure series games Ghostbusters (not the real crap)... there feel better now👍
I'm not a Ballblazer fan on any system, tried it first on the Atari 8-bit system, technical marvel, then on the slower C64.
Even the Lucasfilm team admit, the game ONLY works as a 2-player game and game built around the specific A8 hardware features.
To me it's little more than a tech demo, can't stand the game itself.
I had Ballblazer on the Atari 800xl & loved it!!!. Yes, it was best played in split acreen.
I bought Ferrari Formula One. There is a LOT of stuff in this game, but the racing bit (the most important bit of a racing game) is terrible. It doesn't feel like you're racing, it's slow. The controls are terrible. And... if you made a 180 degree turn, you will have completed a 360 turn. Wicked. Grand Prix Circuit had a lot of faults and little depth, but it was a way more fun racer. Still, best racer ever: Revs.
Hawkeye always sticks out to me when you talk about overrated ... as you mentioned it's Thalamus but man, it's so mediocre
Double Dragon was such a disappointment. I remember the characters had a gap in their middle (why?) and you had to walk past your oponent to a throw a punch or kick. you couldnt stop and fight like in the arcade version. Although the spectrum didnt look as good it played way better
DDragon is my favourite arcade game of all time mate... none of the home ports come close to it however Double Dragon Advance (GBA) is class
The developers put a statement in the packaging regarding the reason for the gap in the characters. It was to do with memory and to keep the game a two player game.
I never read Zzap.
My preferred magazine was Commodore User!
Lol, love how the anger at spending precious childhood money on crappy games still burns after all these years; I know that feel 😑
Remember the quality of the games back then weren't that great either. Our standards were lower.
Renegade III got medicore scores (around the 60%-80% scores at best on other popular multiform magazines) , lots of adverts for it in Zzap64 for months...
Do the maths 😀
God Dang you've got a THICK accent! Where is it from?
Northeast, Durham... UK
I didn't the Stotts had a channel, are you Donald or Davey?
What does that even mean...
Can't believe you're having a go at Beige Axe. It shows off the wide range of baby poo colours that the c64 can do so well
All the Forgotten Worlds would have needed to be a great port would be one more button like Master System. I never played it but just graphically considering the hardware that could have been nice.
Hm.. summer and winter games are boring, too, when playing solo. So, ain't you a bit too harsh on ballblazer? ;)
I disagree... i think winter and summer games are just as good in solo... cos really they are turn based multiplayer games and also ballblazer is one style while the epyx games have loads of different events which keeps the gameplay from becoming boring ... with ballblazer i just end up thinking...whats the point when playing 1 player...and tbh 2 player gets a bit boring after a while too
They just made golden axe to look good on the back of the box.. which it probably did. You can't have good gameplay though with one enemy at a time. You need at least two
Some games I thought were overrated in Zzap were....
Carnage, Last Ninja 3 (it is good, but it is a buggy and overly complicated game), the Elvira Mistress Of The Dark games, Slicks and Operation Thunderbolt. And, Commodore Format had one really overrated game.....Mayhem In Monsterland. That was so far away from 100% it wasn't funny.
I have to disagree with slicks, thats my favourite top down racer of all time but yeah the others were LN3 never really got me, i loved 1 and 2 ...mayhem in monsterland was graphically perfect...but gameplay wise bland and boring .
@@oldstylegaming I do remember Zzap doing budget reviews on games like Dark Fusion and Artura, and slagging them off, then 2 months later, putting them on the cover tape and talking like they were the greatest games ever. Oh, and I came up with 2 more games that I think are waaaayyyyyy overrated. Spindizzy and Impossible Mission 2.
I can't argue with these choices. And yes, to compare another soccer game to Microprose Soccer is at best, extremely foolish.
Once you get past the dazzle of the graphics, Ballblazer feels like a budget title. I took Forgotten Worlds back to the store and talked the clerk into a refund
its a real shame about Forgotten Worlds mate, if they hadnt been too ambitious with the controls it would have been an absolute classic
@@oldstylegaming agreed!
I never clicked with Ballblazer. Even in two-player, it felt like a futuristic take on blow football. It was fast, and I liked the algorithmically generated music. But the gameplay left me cold.
Thalamus games were generally really good.
Kinda liked golden axe despite all its flaws. Renegade 3 was the first game I bought after a zzap64 review and I didn't enjoy it but Forgotten Worlds was a total disappointment. I tried hard to like it but I could never
I play over 10.000 C 64 but i didnt play this 10 games.
Lost me when claim that Summer and Winter Games (both mediocre at best) were better than the amazing Ballblazer.
They are though mate and im sure im not in the minority of people who think that
2:58 Uuuugh, Hercules.... Now I have never played the C64 version, but I played the BBC Micro version and I absolutely loathed it. In fact, it might be even the worst BBC Micro game.
Its horrible mate
@@oldstylegaming Back then especially in Zzap certain reviewers thought the harder the game was, the better. But we weren't all ex arcade champions. Easier games would ALWAYS be marked down. Looking back now it's utterly stupid.
Agree with Ballblazer and never played the rest. My most overrated game was Arac or Spidebot as it was called in America. It got a sizzler so I bought it but was left frustrated at the horrible controls and web catcher. Looked nice but tedious to play and not interesting enough to want to carry on. I love Hercules by the way, forgot to say. Its mad but rewarding executing the moves in time. I would possibly say Iridis Alpha too. Bought that based on the review thinking this was the game to turn me into a Minter fan, but nah.
I just cant get away with Hercules its my quickest rage quitted game ever lol
@@oldstylegaming I get that. I am a patient type of bloke and hate games bullying me lol.
was liverpool essentially kick off then?
Yeah similar to kickoff 2 but actually better
Really enjoyed this one fella 👍👾🕹🥷
I bet im easier to understand now you know Paul lol
@@oldstylegaming you got me. 🤣 your have to watch only fools and horse to get
Me 🤣🤣👍👍👍
I watch it every weekend mate its my favourite program You 42 carrot plonker lol
@@oldstylegaming gotta love it fella nothing like it on tv anymore