@@brenobassocenci6571 actually yeah, i do believe the Subjugator-class was a full line of vessels, not just one ship, but only the one had the ion cannons. Would've been cool to see one as, say, Admiral Trench's flagship instead of the same old up-scaled Providence
3 Jedi, a Delta-7, a squad of Y-Wings, and a dream. All that was what it took to defeat the Malevolence. What a merry bunch of chads those guys, and girl, were.
@calebbarnhouse496 That was after it was defeated though. The fleet was just finishing it off at that point. The initial attack was what was important here.
Grevious made a massive strategic mistake in not having an accompanying support fleet, a sign of his arrogance. The Malevolence should have been used as the centrepiece of the main CIS Fleet, with the other ships above and below it, out of the firing arc of the ion superweapons. Such a task force could have made a beeline for the heart of the GAR, going after shipyards and core systems with LucreHulks to invade and frigates to help mop up and protect the flanks. Having enough ships to take advantage of the paralysed GAR ships and that the GAR would be forced to spread their ships out to avoid being a juicy target for the ion superweapon. The GAR couldn't bring their ships together in formation, less they be zapped. So smaller groups of them would be easy pickings for concentrated CIS ships. Grevious could have _won_ *a battle of Coruscant.* Striking then and there if he had the backup to exploit the breakthrough. Prehaps Dooku manipulated Grevious into going it alone with the Malevolence? Couldn't have the war end at this time with a CIS victory....
Well if you go by what was said, the malovence had taken down multiple fleets by itself, and it was only from anakin disobeying a direct order combined with the republic getting insanely lucky in one of the few if not only jedi capable of fighting in space without gear they don't have with them 24/7 was able to hold off long enough to warn the republic, I believe that after it was finally discovered they would have combined it into larger fleets as a flagship
i feel the republic made a massive mistake as well they know the canon can only fire once and fries the power of whatever ship it hits so why do republic capital ships choose to hurdle together to make a massive bullseye instead of scattering so when the ion canon fires it doesn't hit all the capital ships at once
@Omnipulsar That's why an accompanying CIS Task force would be so useful - to negate that tactic. If the GAR spread out to avoid an ion shot, they can be hit by a bunched up CIS Fleet with superior local numbers. And if the GAR concentrate forces, they get zapped. It forces the GAR to take a tactically inferior formation on the battlespace with no concentration of forces. They can be picked off 'one by one' by the CIS escort fleet.
Fun fact: there's a book that promptly follows after the malevolence arc, with a salvage team sent to the moon ot crashed on, i dont remember the name though
So did Palpatine have more plans for the Malevolence or what? Because he went through the trouble of sending Padme there to be a hostage to buy Grevious time, instead of just letting the Republic ships destroy it.
He wanted the republic to be afraid of the CIS, a ghost ship that kills fleets would have been terrifying for anyone in the republic, and would have been useful for securing more power and more dead jedi
Star Wars: a squadron and another ship (the Falcon) destroy the Death Star but not without taking heavy casualties Also Star Wars: the same thing, almost 20 years before
Say Geetsly, could you do a lore theory video on Onderon during the Clone Wars. I just don’t get why Mina Bonteri was such a major Separatist supporter while King Dendup wanted to remain neutral until he was deposed by the Separatists? And how come the Republic didn’t want to get involved on Onderon despite it being in the Inner Rim? Did Dendup see the true face of the CIS and thus wanted to sit on the sidelines despite whatever feelings he initially had about the Republic? Did Mina join the CIS while Onderon remained neutral? And when did the Separatist coup happen? Given Mina Bonteri being such a Separatist idealist, I highly doubt this happened until after she was murdered by Dooku. Did the Republic want to show that it was only going after important worlds to the Separatist war effort so that it doesn’t look like some war-seeking galactic power? We do have to remember the Republic was willing to go to an official peace talk with the Separatists on Mandalore after the failed attempt to make peace between Padme and Mina and even in the third year of the war the Republic was willing to endorse Rush Clovis even if he had endorsement by the Separatist Senate. Given the Republic also respected the neutrality of planets unless they did something to the Republic, it kind of makes it seem like the sentiments of the Galactic Empire really only became popular and mainstream by the Outer Rim Sieges. That the Galactic Republic really expected to return to some sense of normalcy for most of the war. Of course such positive sentiments were eroded away to the point the banks were nationalized and the Jedi Order was mostly unpopular, things that happened even before the Outer Rim Sieges. Still, it makes me think if the Republic really became the Empire before Order 66, it only happened during the Outer Rim Sieges. Before that, there was still hope and Palpatine still had some legal limits in my opinion.
A fine series of battles, but it possibly never happening in the Legends 'verse hurts its valued credibility in me and other operatives' eyes. Also, the Victory-class is a far cooler ship, even if it's smaller. Missile spamming capabilities, my man!
When I was a kid, my parents bought me, for Christmas, a DVD set with the first five episodes of the Clone Wars. I think I watched the Malevolence arc more than I have watched my favourite Star Wars film, The Empire Strikes Back. I recently rewatched them and could still quote several lines from it.
Why else would Vader be the only Imperial authority figure to not dismiss the dangers of a Starfighter Assault? (Then-Lieutenant Thrawn would make a statement about this in the Canon Thrawn book, but he is ignored; resulting in the loss of a light Cruiser and severe damage to an ISD by a swarm of several hundred Vulture Droids)
Several hundred Vultures, controlled by human controllers from a nearby moon. They destroyed an Arquitens and the ISD needed several weeks worth of repairs before it could be sent into action again. When Thrawn identified the control station, the Admiral in command, on the Star Destroyer, reprimanded him for making things up in the middle of a battle, resulting in another board of inquiry visit for Thrawn (and the early retirement of the Admiral, if I remember correctly). This takes place in the inter-war period in canon. Somewhat closer to the Death Star than Order 66 in timing. This portion is found in Thrawn by Timothy Zahn. This is the first book in the Canon Thrawn trilogy, and well worth the read, if you ask me
Several hundred Vultures, controlled by human controllers from a nearby moon. They destroyed an Arquitens and the ISD needed several weeks worth of repairs before it could be sent into action again. When Thrawn identified the control station, the Admiral in command, on the Star Destroyer, reprimanded him for making things up in the middle of a battle, resulting in another board of inquiry visit for Thrawn (and the early retirement of the Admiral, if I remember correctly). This takes place in the inter-war period in canon. Somewhat closer to the Death Star than Order 66 in timing. This portion is found in Thrawn by Timothy Zahn. This is the first book in the Canon Thrawn trilogy, and well worth the read, if you ask me
What I like most about the Malevolence arc is how we were introduced to Commander Wolf!! Given the uniform he was wearing at the time you wouldn’t know he was a commander, it wasn’t until a little later when he was identified!
Don't forget the Ascendant Spear from Legends. And you really see how manufactured the war was when every other battle was one step away from the Republic's defeat.
The crew of the Malevolence: Hey? How did we get all the way from that Republic medical station in Kallida Shoals to that Moon in the Antar system in a very short amount of time? And more importantly, why the Republic cruisers are still chasing us all the way here?
@@Spartan3D213 the venetors couldn't catch up, and they didn't have communication with the fleet, the fleet thought there was a hostage, and the maleficent is a giant ship, it easily carried enough droids to handle that many jedi and clones, and again, they did not have the time to do anything else, anakin couldn't get them to start boarding until after they jumped into hyperspace, in which point there was nothing else to do except destroy it
@@calebbarnhouse496 Damn shame, still they coudlve at least sliced/hacked into their systems to get inside data on the Confederate navy, they already had R2D2 inside already.
Y-wing after the Battle of Yavin: Back in my day we disabled gigantic abominations rather than outright destroy them. If we went for the super laser instead of the reactor my brothers and sisters would've survived.
It's curious that there are those who know the exact locations of places in the galaxy, taking into account that few give it importance beyond the story at hand.
The Malevolence has gotta be one of the coolest (Capitol) ships ever designed in Star Wars. Far more interesting than an ISD and even the awesome Lucrehulk. As for the Super ISDs, meh, just bigger and morer of the same-same (silly-destructo-beams or not). Pretty fortunate for the Alliance it was a limited build because "Anakin Armour" couldn't be everywhere all the time. :) Hapes Battle Dragon would be my #2.
In reality the malevolence impact on to the moon would of destroyed the moon or at the very least destroyed the surface. Traveling though hyperspace is obviously much faster then the speed of light (roughly 1,000x sol) when you take physics into account the force of the impact would of been enormous. All that kinetic energy would transfer to the moon causing it to ring like a bell triggering massive earthquakes (moonquakes) and the impact itself would literally bore a hole into the moon likely causing the moon to fall apart. Note too the impact would likely push the moon a few feet
I always wondered what happened to shadow 6, 7 and 10? 😫 Did anyone come get them? Or where they left to be picked off one-by-one by hyenas or by direct fire from the malevolence?
Am I the only one that thinks the malevolence didn’t gets that much attention outside of the episodes it’s featured in?
Why would it? It was destroyed at the end of the only arc it was in.
@@kostakatsoulis2922 I mean, it could have been reconstructed or it could had another variants, galaxy wise the ship didn’t appear much.
@@brenobassocenci6571 actually yeah, i do believe the Subjugator-class was a full line of vessels, not just one ship, but only the one had the ion cannons. Would've been cool to see one as, say, Admiral Trench's flagship instead of the same old up-scaled Providence
They should have created another weapon like it cause it was a terrifying weapon
@brenobassocenci6571 there was only 2 subjagator class ships and the 2nd was still intact till the late war i believe
3 Jedi, a Delta-7, a squad of Y-Wings, and a dream.
All that was what it took to defeat the Malevolence.
What a merry bunch of chads those guys, and girl, were.
It also took a multiple fleets of venetors chasing after it
@calebbarnhouse496 That was after it was defeated though. The fleet was just finishing it off at that point. The initial attack was what was important here.
If I recall correctly, many of the Clones within that medical station were from the battle of Jabiim. At least that's what I once heard.
That’s ironic for Obi-Wan at least.
Grevious made a massive strategic mistake in not having an accompanying support fleet, a sign of his arrogance.
The Malevolence should have been used as the centrepiece of the main CIS Fleet, with the other ships above and below it, out of the firing arc of the ion superweapons.
Such a task force could have made a beeline for the heart of the GAR, going after shipyards and core systems with LucreHulks to invade and frigates to help mop up and protect the flanks.
Having enough ships to take advantage of the paralysed GAR ships and that the GAR would be forced to spread their ships out to avoid being a juicy target for the ion superweapon.
The GAR couldn't bring their ships together in formation, less they be zapped. So smaller groups of them would be easy pickings for concentrated CIS ships.
Grevious could have _won_ *a battle of Coruscant.* Striking then and there if he had the backup to exploit the breakthrough.
Prehaps Dooku manipulated Grevious into going it alone with the Malevolence? Couldn't have the war end at this time with a CIS victory....
Well if you go by what was said, the malovence had taken down multiple fleets by itself, and it was only from anakin disobeying a direct order combined with the republic getting insanely lucky in one of the few if not only jedi capable of fighting in space without gear they don't have with them 24/7 was able to hold off long enough to warn the republic, I believe that after it was finally discovered they would have combined it into larger fleets as a flagship
There are many strategic flaws in star wars.
i feel the republic made a massive mistake as well they know the canon can only fire once and fries the power of whatever ship it hits so why do republic capital ships choose to hurdle together to make a massive bullseye instead of scattering so when the ion canon fires it doesn't hit all the capital ships at once
@Omnipulsar That's why an accompanying CIS Task force would be so useful - to negate that tactic.
If the GAR spread out to avoid an ion shot, they can be hit by a bunched up CIS Fleet with superior local numbers.
And if the GAR concentrate forces, they get zapped.
It forces the GAR to take a tactically inferior formation on the battlespace with no concentration of forces. They can be picked off 'one by one' by the CIS escort fleet.
@@casbot71well outside of the lore the whole arc was similar to the Bismarck and it’s downfall so yeah.
Fun fact: there's a book that promptly follows after the malevolence arc, with a salvage team sent to the moon ot crashed on, i dont remember the name though
The Clone Wars: Secret Missions 1: Breakout Squad.
Thank you again, for not just being a Droid and making content on the shows that are happening! I appreciate this so so much!!! Thank you!!!❤❤
I love the malevolence Arc one of my favorite Arc in clone wars this ship is such a nightmare to fight the malevolence could have won the clone wars.
Anakin's Freighter: G9 Rigger named Twilight
Video: *shows an Old Republic Era Freighter*
A question that i have is did darth sidious send padme to aid grievous or did he send padme to make anakin go into the ship to destroy it?
So did Palpatine have more plans for the Malevolence or what? Because he went through the trouble of sending Padme there to be a hostage to buy Grevious time, instead of just letting the Republic ships destroy it.
He wanted the republic to be afraid of the CIS, a ghost ship that kills fleets would have been terrifying for anyone in the republic, and would have been useful for securing more power and more dead jedi
Star Wars: a squadron and another ship (the Falcon) destroy the Death Star but not without taking heavy casualties
Also Star Wars: the same thing, almost 20 years before
It's like poetry, it rhymes.
@@mattstorm360more like lazy writing
@@enrixosjjdjd187it’s actually a reference to the Bismarck, not the Death Star
What if we just approached it from any other angle than 90 degrees?
Say Geetsly, could you do a lore theory video on Onderon during the Clone Wars. I just don’t get why Mina Bonteri was such a major Separatist supporter while King Dendup wanted to remain neutral until he was deposed by the Separatists? And how come the Republic didn’t want to get involved on Onderon despite it being in the Inner Rim? Did Dendup see the true face of the CIS and thus wanted to sit on the sidelines despite whatever feelings he initially had about the Republic? Did Mina join the CIS while Onderon remained neutral? And when did the Separatist coup happen? Given Mina Bonteri being such a Separatist idealist, I highly doubt this happened until after she was murdered by Dooku. Did the Republic want to show that it was only going after important worlds to the Separatist war effort so that it doesn’t look like some war-seeking galactic power? We do have to remember the Republic was willing to go to an official peace talk with the Separatists on Mandalore after the failed attempt to make peace between Padme and Mina and even in the third year of the war the Republic was willing to endorse Rush Clovis even if he had endorsement by the Separatist Senate. Given the Republic also respected the neutrality of planets unless they did something to the Republic, it kind of makes it seem like the sentiments of the Galactic Empire really only became popular and mainstream by the Outer Rim Sieges. That the Galactic Republic really expected to return to some sense of normalcy for most of the war. Of course such positive sentiments were eroded away to the point the banks were nationalized and the Jedi Order was mostly unpopular, things that happened even before the Outer Rim Sieges. Still, it makes me think if the Republic really became the Empire before Order 66, it only happened during the Outer Rim Sieges. Before that, there was still hope and Palpatine still had some legal limits in my opinion.
Sir, you put so much work into the video and it’s excellent. The ship you showed is not the twilight
Remember, not just all the Clones taken out, but Nala Se, the head of the cloning on Kamino. That would have been CRIPPLING to the Republic
A fine series of battles, but it possibly never happening in the Legends 'verse hurts its valued credibility in me and other operatives' eyes.
Also, the Victory-class is a far cooler ship, even if it's smaller. Missile spamming capabilities, my man!
When I was a kid, my parents bought me, for Christmas, a DVD set with the first five episodes of the Clone Wars. I think I watched the Malevolence arc more than I have watched my favourite Star Wars film, The Empire Strikes Back.
I recently rewatched them and could still quote several lines from it.
Ah yes, The Bismarck pt. 2: Grievous Boogaloo
So Vader had experience with starfighters taking down a superweapon .......
Why else would Vader be the only Imperial authority figure to not dismiss the dangers of a Starfighter Assault? (Then-Lieutenant Thrawn would make a statement about this in the Canon Thrawn book, but he is ignored; resulting in the loss of a light Cruiser and severe damage to an ISD by a swarm of several hundred Vulture Droids)
@@davidpahlman8166 vulture droids did that much damage?
@@merafirewing6591SEVERAL HUNDRED vulture droids did that. Thats a looot of targets, especially for ships with limited or no point defense
Several hundred Vultures, controlled by human controllers from a nearby moon. They destroyed an Arquitens and the ISD needed several weeks worth of repairs before it could be sent into action again. When Thrawn identified the control station, the Admiral in command, on the Star Destroyer, reprimanded him for making things up in the middle of a battle, resulting in another board of inquiry visit for Thrawn (and the early retirement of the Admiral, if I remember correctly). This takes place in the inter-war period in canon. Somewhat closer to the Death Star than Order 66 in timing. This portion is found in Thrawn by Timothy Zahn. This is the first book in the Canon Thrawn trilogy, and well worth the read, if you ask me
Several hundred Vultures, controlled by human controllers from a nearby moon. They destroyed an Arquitens and the ISD needed several weeks worth of repairs before it could be sent into action again. When Thrawn identified the control station, the Admiral in command, on the Star Destroyer, reprimanded him for making things up in the middle of a battle, resulting in another board of inquiry visit for Thrawn (and the early retirement of the Admiral, if I remember correctly). This takes place in the inter-war period in canon. Somewhat closer to the Death Star than Order 66 in timing. This portion is found in Thrawn by Timothy Zahn. This is the first book in the Canon Thrawn trilogy, and well worth the read, if you ask me
Three warships and a squadron of bombers hunting a secret superweapon…
It is such a neat retelling of the Bismarck incident.
The Malevolence arc is one of my favorite arcs from season one of the Clone Wars, up there with the Battle of Ryloth and the Pirates arcs
What I like most about the Malevolence arc is how we were introduced to Commander Wolf!! Given the uniform he was wearing at the time you wouldn’t know he was a commander, it wasn’t until a little later when he was identified!
Don't forget the Ascendant Spear from Legends.
And you really see how manufactured the war was when every other battle was one step away from the Republic's defeat.
Just goes to show that some of the littlest things have the biggest impacts.
The crew of the Malevolence: Hey? How did we get all the way from that Republic medical station in Kallida Shoals to that Moon in the Antar system in a very short amount of time? And more importantly, why the Republic cruisers are still chasing us all the way here?
It's a gun, with a ship around it.
The battle mirrored the one fought a generation later when Luke destroyed the Deathstar. Like Father like Son.
Not really. It is similar, but no. It was a reference to the real world Bismarck
The Bismark of the clone wars
This is definitely one of my favorite battles in the clone wars
It was great episode to show that it wasn’t just the Death Star, the CIs had been working on.
People who think CW season 1 is crap forget about this banger of a saga!
There's a reason this battle got a mini-saga.
Fortune favors the bold... An space magic warrior wizards in their space fighters pulling an ambush
It was actually Plo Koon that urged Anakin to switch targets at the last minute. Not Ashoka.
Imagine they just hijacked it instead, or scrapped it for more ships.
Hijacking it would have been a stretch, they were barely able to destroy it before it escaped
@@calebbarnhouse496 they had 3-5 venatrors filled with troopers, pilots, guns ships and had a 4-6 jedi. They could've have taken it.
@@Spartan3D213 the venetors couldn't catch up, and they didn't have communication with the fleet, the fleet thought there was a hostage, and the maleficent is a giant ship, it easily carried enough droids to handle that many jedi and clones, and again, they did not have the time to do anything else, anakin couldn't get them to start boarding until after they jumped into hyperspace, in which point there was nothing else to do except destroy it
@@calebbarnhouse496 Damn shame, still they coudlve at least sliced/hacked into their systems to get inside data on the Confederate navy, they already had R2D2 inside already.
Y-wing after the Battle of Yavin: Back in my day we disabled gigantic abominations rather than outright destroy them. If we went for the super laser instead of the reactor my brothers and sisters would've survived.
I Love this intro
It's curious that there are those who know the exact locations of places in the galaxy, taking into account that few give it importance beyond the story at hand.
Nice episode.
The Malevolence has gotta be one of the coolest (Capitol) ships ever designed in Star Wars.
Far more interesting than an ISD and even the awesome Lucrehulk. As for the Super ISDs, meh, just bigger and morer of the same-same (silly-destructo-beams or not).
Pretty fortunate for the Alliance it was a limited build because "Anakin Armour" couldn't be everywhere all the time. :)
Hapes Battle Dragon would be my #2.
The moment that the “Hello there” was coined. And coined by Grievous
I have the headcannon that the Dead Moon of Antar is named after someone rather than the planet of the Mid Rim
In reality the malevolence impact on to the moon would of destroyed the moon or at the very least destroyed the surface. Traveling though hyperspace is obviously much faster then the speed of light (roughly 1,000x sol) when you take physics into account the force of the impact would of been enormous. All that kinetic energy would transfer to the moon causing it to ring like a bell triggering massive earthquakes (moonquakes) and the impact itself would literally bore a hole into the moon likely causing the moon to fall apart. Note too the impact would likely push the moon a few feet
Thank god Rian Johnson followed real physics and ruined space combat, right? 😂
I always wondered if you could knock out the Death Star with a fleet of that kind of ship
The Senate SAVED the Sith.
Where’s the Ahsoka episode video been looking forward to it
I always wondered what happened to shadow 6, 7 and 10? 😫
Did anyone come get them?
Or where they left to be picked off one-by-one by hyenas or by direct fire from the malevolence?
Kuat had 7 mandator 1 dreadnoughts!
Jump them in in a spread out pattern and blow the thing to hell and back lol
9:41 do better, that’s not the Twilight.
This is Canon for me!
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It is canon