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Bretonnia REALLY needs a DLC pack (free or paid) to expand the line up. I don’t even care if the lords have to share starting positions Grim and Grave style, just gimme more
My brother in Sigmar, we're in a post-shared start location world. I would love to see some more LLs for Brettonia though!
@@aurumlamina1836 Im sorry for a second I thought you said “Sigmar”, do you mean THE LADY!
I keep trying to play bretonnia but I never make it far because their early game units are so boring. It feels like you dont get to actually have fun until late game.
@@AkaRystik The problem is that Bretonnia is not an expansionist faction in their homeland. thanks to their technologies, they are actually the best factions for forming the ordertide consequently limiting the already limited amount of habitable territory
@@AkaRystik I'd personally try out Alberic towards that end, he starts with the ability to recruit at least Errants and shortly can upgrade to Knights of the Realm, he also has the turn time reduction so there's that as well.
Bretonian need (not peasants)Longbow Men, Footed Grail Knights and Footed Questing Knights.
It would make then overpowered, since they would have extremely solid frontline and overpowered cavalry. Bretonnia would decimate anything on her way.
@@Javelinpig I mean, Chaos factions get chosen and chaos knights so I don't see the issue.
@@tomayto70 they lack archers, and also it was entire idea of chaos: heavy armored chosen and chaos knights. CA tried to make an evil faction that is difficult to deal with once it snowballs, and therefore they gave chaos this unique trait. Guys, like, are supposed to bring the end of the world, lol. I don't think bretonnia should get that boost, it would be a problem since chaos IS supposed to 1 v 1 any faction. Bretonnia is NOT.
@@tomayto70 chaos knights and grail knights are not on the same level dude
You forgot to mention Fay's Mist of the Lady ability? Basically a free aoe damage to units it is really great!
Don't forget, the hippogriffs get their value by causing fear and terror. I've never seen Skavenslaves run away so quickly...
Hippogriffs are probably the Skaven's natural predators.
Brettonia is my favorite faction you covered everything here except you left out the best aspect of the Fay Enchantress that she has a decent Morris engine and should be kept near blob fights
Consistently amazed and impressed with how in-depth these videos are, keep up the good work
I am huge fan of knights in fantasy and Brettonia is one of favorite fraction, however they really need dlc and more units but the big issue is that they don't have much units in the lore, only a small handful but hopefully CA will release more after the chaos drawves dlc and once game workshop release the old world game.
They honestly still have a a bit of fluff that could lead to new units, plus some CA concept art. Truffle Hounds, Herrimaut as a better archer unit, Lost Sons as elite magic/ethereal cav, Hermit Knights as elite infantry, Questing/Heraldric Beasts as giant grounded monstrous cav, Fey Spirits as some kind of ethereal flanking unit. They have some stuff to work with for sure.
One place CA could turn to for inspiration that I haven't seen mentioned often is the Bretonnian Navy. Per the lore it's the most powerful human navy in the Old World, with ships crewed by a mixture of mercenary buccaneers, elite men-at-arms, and aristocratic marines. The latter, in fact, are the one indisputable lore example of the "foot knights" that some of the fans keep clamouring for: lords from places like Bordeleaux and L'Anguille are as likely to send their sons to sea as they are on an Errantry Tour, and the result is that many Bretonnian ships carry a crack force of dismounted Knights-Errant or Knights of the Realm acting as marines.
Thank you for this! This is the faction I struggle the hardest with.
I really hope the next update/dlc CA do include updates to bretonnia's unit roster/campaign mechanics. They have so many holes in their lineup, like I wish you could dismount or recruit dismounted versions of some of their more heavy duty cav units like grail knights, similar to how you can do in CA's historical games. I never understood why they have some epic mounted knights, but then as far as foot infantry we are stuck with peasants and militia men that get chewed up by practically anything. I also think we are overdue for updates to tomb kings and norsca, as their roster lineups are seeming a bit slim compared to other factions. But I know we need the other two chaos faction's to get dlc packs so who knows what is next? Bretonnia DEFINTELY needs to be in it though.
Love bretonnia, so glad you did one of this
Battle pilgrim, pox archers and trebuchets is the peasant combo I've had the most "luck" with. If nothing else they work well as roving garrison armies in the later stages of a campaign.
Maybe i’m just a noob, but bretonia’s infantry seems to get blown out of the water by vast majority if other races and I just end up making an army half cavalry and half archers pretty much. Which is interesting but hard to defend with sometimes.
Bretonias infantry only point is to create a small dilemma/meat shield for the enemy. No real threat unless 100% ignored, but as soon as they turn their attention to your infantry, the calv comes in.
@@nukinhunter8275
Nah. That's how it's SUPPOSED to be. But not only is Bret infantry weak, it breaks easy. And since there's no solid line it's literally impossible to hammer and anvil
That's kinda the whole point of Bretonnia; Your Cavalry is the star of the show, whereas your peasants, battle pilgrims and foot squires are there to keep the enemy in place for *just* long enough to get your knights into an optimum flanking position.
Archers provide some chip damage and trebuchets even bigger chip damage, but Cavalry is the name of the game with Bretonnia
@@KC-kl6qc
Except for the fact that Empire, Vampires, Tzeentch, Khorne, and WoC all have equal or better cavalry than Bretonnia but their lines aren't made of paper
Use them to make a pocket for your calavery to return to. USe them to be able to charge once more.
My knight boys! Let's watch! Thanks for all the hard work!
This was so helpful! Thank you
Bretonnia is one of those factions that they’re the most realistic and fun to play but at the same time really hard to work around its mechanics. Like for the Empire all you really need to worry about is your reputation and prestige.
The developers just need to buff Bretonnia melee infantry so they can actually kill without the need for Melee cavalry and give them one of Grand Cathy’s construct, like make it an Angel Construct that does double damage to Chaos and undead.
I know this is supposed to be their downside...but it would be realy nice to have infantry that doesnt rout in an extended fight and is somewhat tanky
Prophetesesseseseseses :D got me there
Time to try them again. Played with them once and got attacked by three enemy factions at once pre round 20. It was a short campaign.
I got a problem in my Repanse campaign in IE. I don't have the RoR recruitment tab, am I missing smth?
They really could use a DLC.
So could Warhammer 3...
Isn't the trick to these guys just hire a bunch of lords and keep em near each other? Never played this race as the mechanics don't appeal to me but my understanding is they don't have supply lines so makes little difference how many armies they have
I really disagree with your late game comp at that point there is no reason to use trebuchet or archers
how do i get bretonnia for warhammer three, i dont have whammer 1 so i cant get the free DLC
I like running with 9 archers until really flush with money. In sets of 3 with 1 x Pox and 2 x Fire that I use as focus fire groups.
Bretonnia is certainly the vanilla ice cream of warhammer but it’s a satisfying scoop.
Please do a dark elder battle guide
i can't get over the fact the the grail reliquae is the french equivalent to the two man horse costume
With all the crazy stuff going on in immortal empires I see no reason why Bretonnian cavalry couldn't be hybrid shock/melee at least in campaign , yes late game spike is enormous but early and most of the time even mid game is painful
So...what about fighting them skaven?
Ah Brettonia, as The Grim Kleaper said, The Castle French Name.
Most notable thing: They're Fren-
I tried to play bretonnia today for the first time. And they are an absolute nightmare to play. They can literally do nothing on the battlefield. Sure I can TRY to use my foot soldiers as meat shields but it does not matter. As the enemy will ALWAYS focus half of his army on my horses and nothing else. So even my cavalry can't do shit. It's not only extremely hard and takes too much micro management, but it also is extremely ineffective
7:02 was that a slap?
I'm not sure why you never mention the anti-large bonus some of these units get, like Alberic or the Knights of the Realm. This is literally the biggest difference between them and Leoncoeur and the Knights Errant.
Also, tier 1 archers non armour-piercing in a roster in which they're not the specialty in the late game? I know you like to present balanced army composition and try to avoid doomstacks as much as possible, but this is simply too much... Their garbage units at this point of the game and that's it... A balanced Bretonnian late game (or even mid-game) army should be a nigh only knights army, and you mix up knights units, like adding Grail Knights for anti-large to your composition, instead of Peasants Archers.
Otherwise, great video as always.
I like to use Grail Guardians as my front line anvil and hippos / royal pegasi as hammer.
@@Fastwinstondoom Exactly the kind of thing that I do!
Yes. I've played a Louen campaign recently, and definitively, their peasants units except trebuchets and two or three poisoned arrows peasants (for the poison, nothing else really) are everything you should get past the mid game.
A bretonnian late game army for me is more like a lord, a damsel, one or two paladin, some grail guardian for the frontlane, a mix of grail knights and royal hippogryffs knights for the hammer playstyle, two blessed trebuchets and some poison archers.
My late game Bretonnian army is actually two armies that stick together permanently. The first is a 100% Cav army (usually 100% flying) with a Life Mage, who's Lord is red line spec'ed for cav and a 2nd army that follows it around with spears, archers, a ton of trebs, and a Lord spec'ed for Peasants. The 2nd army is really there for sieges, adding a bit of a cheap meat shield (if needed), and boosting the Auto-Resolve of the 1st army without actually costing very much.
@@LordSevarg Uh. That's not a bad idea. I do that with Tomb Kings generally.
grail reliques (i cant spell it shut upp) have a very good buff sure but the thing is bc its so slow it wont buff the cavalry. And you dont want peasents bc they suck the only good peasent units are the mounted yeomen peasent bowmen with pox arrows and trebuches and a grail relique takes upp an army slot that could be used to recruit a knight unit
I love the lore of the Brets, but the micro manage would drive me nuts. And the peasant balance sounds like to much of a pain. Does that tier 1 list wack your peasant economy? Or do the pole arms not come from that category?
Everything that isn't a knight or a damsel is considered a peasant unit, even foot squire.
So yes, I pretty much think that kind of early game comp isn't really well suited for more than one army. It's really easy to access a paladin and knights errands, so you should get them asap.
This video aged like milk with the Bretonnia Update of May 2023 ...
what changed?
Strictly a Rohan roleplaying faction
Bretonnia needs a rework probably more than any other faction. More than that they need like a whole new race pack, I don't care if I'd have to pay for it but good lord they need some help, they need new archers, new arty, new foot troops, new mechanics and new everything really. Its sad because I like their aesthetic and what they're going for, its just really old and poorly implemented. Hell if they bought a new lord in who had some solid infantry and some new mechanics for the faction it would be a great start.
The problem is that Bretonnia has an absolutely tiny roster, even on the tabletop. Only a smattering of units in the game (battle pilgrims, foot squires, grail relique) are not from the tabletop.
And besides, the whole point of Bretonnia is Cavalry, it's the Cavalry faction for all your Cavalry needs and Cavalry wants in your weird Cavalry fantasies. They are, if you'll pardon the pun, a one-trick pony and are written and designed to be that way from the ground up.
I agree that their mechanics need shaking up, and perhaps they could do with another Legendary Lord, but there's not much that can be done for the roster.
@@KC-kl6qc The worst bit for me is, they get beaten at their own game in terms of cav. Hippos from the empire, blood knights, chaos knights and all their new and different flavors (and amazing new looks), the monstrous cav from the orges and now the bull centaurs from the chaos dawi are all not only more viable because they have decent infantry and other things to support, but also much more fun and much more enjoyable to use.
@@KC-kl6qc Then they need to actually have the best cavalry. Which they currently don't. Numerous factions have had better cavalry for a while, and game three buffs to numerous factions cavalry speed have closed the gap between them and those that are below them. So either their cav needs a massive buff, or it's time to stop pretending that it should be their only thing and give them some half decent infantry.
@@climax050 breton cavs have perfect vigor, which is the most important trait for a cav unit. That trait alone makes breton cavs two steps ahead over any other cavs in this game.
They're indeed a one trick pony faction, but they're not weak at all
@@Centrioless you have a point, but does it really matter if they have perfect vigor if they get crushed by similar units from half a dozen other factions who also have other tools?
Its not that they're cavalry is bad, its just that they don't have the top dogs in the only thing they're good at. I would like to see them get some other medieval style units, because the empire beats them at their own medieval aesthetic and on top of that they have their insanely fun tools and mechanics and some pretty mean cav to round it all off.
Some Warhammer players like bretonnia because they got good calvary unit but really bad male units
PROPETHESSEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Horse go clip clop, grail knight go brrrrrrrrrr
Want a face lift for the vanilla? play SFO. Modders came to rescue where CA failed .
The early bretonia game is kind of boring, you needed to stay at your homeland protecting it, slowly spand your territory but mid/late game they are powerfull and really good to destroy others lands