For those unaware about Fire Fang, there's a check that each typed damaging move has to do and it just happened to be overlooked on Fire Fang. This was never caught because Shedinja happens to be weak to Fire Fang anyway.
You’re right, but there’s actually a specific reason as well- fire fang has an incorrect ID stored to the move. It was SUPPOSED to be one digit away from the first turn of phantom force, but instead it SHARES the ID with the first turn of phantom force, which wonder guard doesn’t block, since it’s just a charge move. Hilariously stupid
Important to note that cartridge-accurate gen 1 pure hackmons is basically impossible to implement on showdown, due to the glitchmons and glitch moves that have all sorts of bizarre effects. Also in gen 1 you can enter link battles while statused, which is unimplemented on showdown, and would provide counterplay to sleep spam.
Fire Fang works on wonder guard because the move has the same internal ID as the first turn on Shadow Force, a "typeless damage" moment if you will. it's irrelevant in normal gameplay because Shedinja is weak to fire type attacks
If i remember correctly the stat overflow glich makes you take 1 hp of damage if you have 0 in that defense (and eternamax has 255 base hp so it's almost nothing)
Correct me if i'm wrong, but in RBY, a move could do 0 damage. Typically with low level mons on quad resists. Though if that happens i think the game just says the move missed
I think he likely didn't understand that you have to make the stat EXACTLY 655 to make it overflow to EXACTLY 0, not just make the stat high enough. So you don't just need a positive defensive nature, you also need 240 EVs to not get too high in the stat, which he seemed like he didn't know since he didn't mention it. Incorrect EVs was probably the mistake he was making.
@@DJFracusI did this. Gen 8 PH isn't a challenge able format so you need a custom challenge command. I was doing it in Gen 8 Custom Game so it wasn't working
yesterday i was taking a relaxing stroll down the street as a jimothy cool non subscriber, when a jimothy cool subscriber sighted my clear unsubcribedness, and hit me with a devastating neutral tera boosted gunk shot, which took away 99.7% of my health and inflicted me with poison. "This is insane!", i cried out as i succumbed to the chip damage.
That is unfortunate, this also happened to me but because i was already a subscriber, the gunk shot came in clutch and exerted it's 80% accuracy and missed
about the eternamax thing, it only takes 1 point of damage if it has a + defense nature with 240 ev specifically in the boosted stat, and itll take 1 point rather than 0 because 0 is always rounded to 1 (though it might as well be 0 because of that 255 hp)
The Fire Fang glitch happens because of a typo. When a move has a charging turn, the game won’t check if the target has Wonder Guard on the charging turn. So if someone uses a standard Solar Beam for example, the game will wait until turn 2 to see if Wonder Guard should activate or not. Shadow Force was meant to be on the list of moves with that property, and it was listed as number 272 in the game’s code. But Fire Fang was accidentally put on the list instead, because it was listed as move number 273. Since Fire Fang has no charging turn, it skips the Wonder Guard check during the actual attack
@@urkerab Nah, it just checks if the target has Wonder Guard on turn 1, doesn’t do anything with that information, then proceeds as normal and checks again on turn 2
eternatus actually needs 240 EV’s in either special defense or physical defense along with a nature boosting that same type of defense for it’s defense stat to become 0
Was recommended this video by youtube and really liked it so checked out your other videos and was shocked to find you were one of the old NL highlight creators and I had already watched all of your NL videos 6-7 years ago. Glad to see you’re still making great content!
It would appear that the JimCool Expanded Universe has reached a time of peace. However, I cannot help but feel that there is some discord lurking in the shadows. I worry that it has even reached the highest position of power - Jimothy himself. We must remain vigilant, folks.
In case anyone is curious why you can’t change a Pokémon’s ability on the gen 3 cartridge: each Pokémon’s data only contains a single bit (a 0 or 1) indicating its ability. 0 means it gets its species’ first possible ability, 1 means it gets the second (if it has one, otherwise it gets no ability which is how you can remove the ability on some Pokémon). As I was learning about the internals of the game I was curious for the longest time how I heard rumors of wonderguard sabeleye in gen 3 since that’s impossible with the model I described. So it’s really validating to hear jim say that it’s not possible haha.
@@cjr4908 Not without modifying the game/cartridge's code. I think the restrictions on hackmons is they have to be able to exist on an unmodified cartridge even if they are brought into the save file illegitimately. Otherwise you could modify the game's code to do anything lol.
Gen 7 is the main pure hackmons meta game played on showdown for those curious. I think it’s bc of the unique gameplay of Gen 8’s meta game with overflow states. Thanks for covering this! This is probably my favorite meta game of all time, very unique and fun to play and I don’t see enough ppl talking about it!
Interesting. This surprised me since I know gen 6 pure hackmons was the main one for a long time, so I wonder if anything happened to change that. I remember seeing some perception that the mold-breaker like moves introduced in gen 7, though this could be wrong since I never played it myself.
@@loftilywrongly3483 the high ladder community got tired of gen6 and did a vote to change it to gen7, which would allow for more creativity in teambuilding. Many people still think gen6 is the most competitive, however it's really more of a tournament only format now.
Great video, but was a little sad there was no mention of one of my favorite hackmons: Sturdy Shedinja. It was never the "best" so it makes sense it wasn't here but was a fun thing you would see around from time to time.
Really great video. Thanks for making it! I'd say it's mostly accurate. Enough to be a useful resource for sure. By the way as for Gen 8, there's like, a +2 to the damage multiplier that makes Eternamax take about 2 damage per hit when its overflown stat is targeted, but this is so low it's virtually 0 and you're still not gonna get remotely anywhere near KOing the Pokemon with that move.
An interesting note about eterna-max and stat overflow. You actually need to NOT max out your chosen defensive EV in order to hit 0 in it exactly. If you go to high then you instead wrap all the way around to a single didget defensive stat. Meaning you take infinitely MORE damage then if you had even just left the EV at 0. Iirc you want 240 EVs and a boosting nature to hit 0 exactly
I had a hacked Mewtwo that I used in Stadium 2 as a kid. Only thing illegal about it was that it had earthquake. I got it from a friend and didn't know that was illegal on Mewtwo in Gen 2. It wasn't until a few years ago when I was building a Gen 2 Ubers team on showdown that I learned it couldn't learn earthquake.
I blame the fact that Iron Mugulis has become a valued financial partner in Jimothy's various endeavors such as monitoring the Horse Council Wars and the everlasting battle against the corporate greed of Old Money.
With the stat over flow for eternamax eternatus, It would only take one HP of damage. Not nothing. So in theory with infinite PP on both sides of the field and eternatus not doing something that would negatively affect your Pokemon (Like it just using celebrate) it would eventually faint. It would take an absurd amount of time, but it would happen.
Very good video - straight to the point, gives not only the best pokemon in each gen but some very helpful and interesting context and detail about the metagame too. Plus an entertaining subscriber message. Jolly good show
I briefly topped the gen 4 hackmons ladder back in the day, and I used to rep a level 1 wonder guard Sableye with Endeavor, Dragon Rage and Gastro Acid. Good fun.
When I was in gen 8 pure hackmons, saw a lot of regieleki's running hazards for one, then having comatose+sleep talk+scarf+whirlwind to have whirlwind go first and never give you a chance to attack.
I played a lot of gen 8 PH so let me add a few things. Eternamax can only be immune to damage on the physical or special side. Not both. That was a way to get around it as well. A common pick was shell smash calyrex shadow with moongeist beam and psystrike. And then normally a fairy move. You just sus out which eternamax was immune to which side (usually they’d bring one of each) and then click the physical or special move. Additionally, Regieleki was huge in gen 8. And comatose was really common. Typical set was choice scarf with comatose, sleep talk, whirlwind, and roar. Set up hazards and then phase spam until they have 1 mon left. Magic bounce was a big counter and also helped vs toxic spamming eternamaxs.
I believe the reason Gen 6 is so popular for Pure Hackmons is also in part due to EVs. In every other generation, EVs can be hacked to be 252 in everything, but you only get your normal 510 in Gen 6 Pure Hackmons so an opportunity cost exists to “balance” things
RBY Hackmons would be a lot more interesting if showdown was able to implement pre-statusing mons. RBY link battles dont fully heal your pokemon before battle so you could just bring a poisoned chansey that is able to completely block sleep
I think it's beautiful that the best hacked pokemon looped back from the first to the ninth generation to be an electric type pokemon that is round shaped. Fast balls wins
Eternatus-Eternamax needs a defense or special defense stat with exactly 31 IVs, 240 EVs, and a positive nature to become invincible in that stat. And you didn’t even mention how commonly it ran Neutralizing Gas ability and Safety Goggles to shut down pretty much everything.
I did not know that about fire fang in gen 3. Mr jimothy is teaching the viewers new things about pokemon almost every day! First you taught us that Alakazam was a French pokemon, and now this!
gen 1 pure hackmons is the most obvious example of why bans are good actually and having a theoretically higher number of options don't equate to an increase in diversity, actually the opposite often times.
Finally I may have some useful knowledge here. As I understand it, the 0 DEF bug works almost exactly as Jimothy described but with 1 key difference. When the damage calculation is ran with 0 DEF it actually produces a value of 2 damage before modifiers every time (from Gen V onward anyway.) This is mostly because the formula includes a three tiered division, which (simplifying it down to the relevant parts only for this example) includes (Attack/Defence)/50 and when Defence is 0, the total sum tends toward infinity, which the game spits out as a 0, then a flat +2 is added onto the sum, which results in the consistent 2 damage (before modifiers) People say it's "taking no damage" because it's a negligible amount but it's not actually 0, that's also why Jimothy wouldn't have been able to recreate it the way he originally expected.
I’d love to see a balanced hackmons format for gen1 with sleep clause/species clause just to see what happens. I imagine electrode is still crazy because you get a free ko every time but at least it’s only one.
corrosion gets shut down by neutralizing gas, which is the best ability in the metagame (and especially prevalent on the pokemon corrosion would want to target)
I like to run a Shedinja with Sturdy with these moves: Endeavor, Quick Attack, Shadow Claw, & Shell Smash. I also have that Shedinja with a teammate with SafeGuard.
Words cannot describe the hype I felt when you mentioned the debate of Giratina in his Origin form being the best Pokémon in the entirety of Gen 4 Pure Hackmons.
I feel like sturdy shedinja deserves at least an honorable mention. It got itself banned from balanced hackmons because of the way it centralized teambuilding
Jimothy, could you make a video about PP in competitive Pokemon? Is it a necessary mechanic? Is it ever relevant in the faster paced VGC format? Why did Pokemon go with this over the typical mana or MP that other games use? What does PP even stand for? I’d be very interested to hear what you have to say about PP.
In BW I hacked in a max speed no guard Ninjask with 2 OHKO moves, extreme speed, and aerial ace for Shedinja. Give it a focus sash to tank a move against sturdy users. Works against pretty much anything that isn’t Deoxys-S, at which point you can just give deoxys-S this setup
Gen 3 not being able to hack abilities makes me think about creating restricted hackmon formats. Only abilities, only move, only stat redistributions(is not available?). Only modify one thing at a time until you get back to the existing hackmon format, then go again.
Fire Fang ignores Wonder Guard because of a coding error If I remember correctly, its id is one point higher than shadow force's, giratina's signature move which was supposed to ignore abilities They mixed up the ID numbers
Would a special attacker like Mega mewtwo Y be good with simple + geomancy + power herb? This format seems very interesting and this video helped me learn alot.
iirc with eternamax's stat overflowing you have to get the stat to exactly 655 (which is 240 EVs and plus nature i think)?, and it still technically takes damage, however it will only be 2 damage before applying any other modifiers like STAB or type effectiveness so it's still basically immune. every stat except HP can overflow but there's no real reason to overflow anything but defense.
Having 0 in a stat breaks the game because it breaks the damage calculator since you can't divide by 0 and 0 times any number is still 0. Having 0 in the stat also means your opponent can't do much to alter the stat as most stat alterating moves are not able to change a pokemon's stat if it is 0. It will still take 1 damage because attacks will always deal a minimum of 1 damage.
If this was Balanced Hackmons, it'd be hard to say who's the best Pokemon of any given generation unless your default answer is imposter Chansey. In the current gen, gen 9, a lot things are banned or "unavailable." I'm wishing for Shedinja to be unbanned because there's so many counter options now, Salt Cure being an example. For the FYI Shed was banned because you would have to have a counter for every Shedinja Sturdy set, because you can have boots, sash, covert cloak, lum berry and goggles (which is pointless bc of sleep/spore being banned), but tbh they do the same thing every game, its pretty predictable and its easier to set up indirect damage, ability ignore moves or brings back Mold Breaker meta. Also, context, Shedinja was banned before gen 9, it might have been banned in gen 7 tbh.
Its not a practical solution, but since imposter only gives 5pp for each move every time you switch in, it's possible to pp stall such a chansey if you don't have strong offensive attacks for them to copy. I mean, it's not likely, since usually the chancey would just switch out to restore pp, but it's possible at the end of the game, or with shadow tag or something xD
Thanks to the gamers in the Pure Hackmons Discord who answered my many questions:
discord.gg/qq3R4jJ5
For those unaware about Fire Fang, there's a check that each typed damaging move has to do and it just happened to be overlooked on Fire Fang. This was never caught because Shedinja happens to be weak to Fire Fang anyway.
Its would be way funnier if it was ember or something and you see some legendaries spamming ember😂
You’re right, but there’s actually a specific reason as well- fire fang has an incorrect ID stored to the move. It was SUPPOSED to be one digit away from the first turn of phantom force, but instead it SHARES the ID with the first turn of phantom force, which wonder guard doesn’t block, since it’s just a charge move. Hilariously stupid
@@ColgatetheTogekiss But Phantom Force doesn't exist until gen 6.
shadow force
@@ColgatetheTogekiss shadow force*
Jimothy... I told you about the tomatoes thing in confidence. Why would you embarrass me like this...
It's for the good of the people
I guess you have to subscribe now. It's for your own good.
We need a "I worked for Jimothy. He's a fraud" video after this incident. The Horse Council may judge this severely.
Important to note that cartridge-accurate gen 1 pure hackmons is basically impossible to implement on showdown, due to the glitchmons and glitch moves that have all sorts of bizarre effects. Also in gen 1 you can enter link battles while statused, which is unimplemented on showdown, and would provide counterplay to sleep spam.
I think that last one is reasonable to implement, especially considering the current status of Gen 1PHM
@@D461Sageuncounterable sleep spam vs having to rely on paralysis not proccing. gen 1 hackmons is so absolutely doomed man
@@usernametaken017 Or you could use Poison which really isn't threatening.
@@JakeSPuwuowo69 oh right I forgot abt poison lol. That would actually be kinda fun, it's like gen 3 without lefties
No, don’t ruin the beautiful balancing of the Gen 1 Pure Hackmons meta game with this heresy...
Fire Fang works on wonder guard because the move has the same internal ID as the first turn on Shadow Force, a "typeless damage" moment if you will. it's irrelevant in normal gameplay because Shedinja is weak to fire type attacks
I would believe it if somebody said the devs even noticed it, and just didn'r fix it cause it didn't matter
If i remember correctly the stat overflow glich makes you take 1 hp of damage if you have 0 in that defense (and eternamax has 255 base hp so it's almost nothing)
Yeah I was going to comment this. Moves will ALWAYS do at least 1 damage unless the target is immune in any way to the move.
Correct me if i'm wrong, but in RBY, a move could do 0 damage. Typically with low level mons on quad resists. Though if that happens i think the game just says the move missed
@Gold_Gamer_100 a lot of thing is allowed Gen 1. Dealing 0 dmg with the game count as miss not to be confused for the 256 miss.
Electrode with SPORE? Oh-boy! I'm gonna make some mewtwo stew today!!
It's my greatest set idea! Get me that Electrode! Right Away!
Oh-boy! I’m gonna make some Mewtwo stew in the afternoon!
If it's the last thing I do, I'm going to get that boom balloon!
MewStew 😭
Get ready that secret project! I'm about to make history!
Chansey would never throw tomatoes at a poor defenseless target.
She would throw Egg Bombs.
Stat overflow makes you take 1 damage, not making you invulnerable. And it is implemented on showdown.
I think he likely didn't understand that you have to make the stat EXACTLY 655 to make it overflow to EXACTLY 0, not just make the stat high enough. So you don't just need a positive defensive nature, you also need 240 EVs to not get too high in the stat, which he seemed like he didn't know since he didn't mention it. Incorrect EVs was probably the mistake he was making.
@@DJFracus even more, all the EVs would give you a defense of like 3, making you die to anything
@@DJFracusI did this. Gen 8 PH isn't a challenge able format so you need a custom challenge command. I was doing it in Gen 8 Custom Game so it wasn't working
@@jimothycool Custom Game disables all overflow, so that you can use Pokémon of level 9999.
@@jimothycool You might have been able to use gen8anythinggoes@@@!Obtainable,+Nonexistent as a challenge code.
yesterday i was taking a relaxing stroll down the street as a jimothy cool non subscriber, when a jimothy cool subscriber sighted my clear unsubcribedness, and hit me with a devastating neutral tera boosted gunk shot, which took away 99.7% of my health and inflicted me with poison. "This is insane!", i cried out as i succumbed to the chip damage.
The gunkerrrrr
That is unfortunate, this also happened to me but because i was already a subscriber, the gunk shot came in clutch and exerted it's 80% accuracy and missed
It was me, you got lucky it was a low roll, not holding a Lum Berry on such an obvious play from me deserved to be punished with Toxic Hax though
I'll do it again if you ever show up unsubscribed in my town again.
Eternatus-Eternama is so overpowered that its name cant even be displayed
Days since Groodon: 0
about the eternamax thing, it only takes 1 point of damage if it has a + defense nature with 240 ev specifically in the boosted stat, and itll take 1 point rather than 0 because 0 is always rounded to 1 (though it might as well be 0 because of that 255 hp)
The Fire Fang glitch happens because of a typo. When a move has a charging turn, the game won’t check if the target has Wonder Guard on the charging turn. So if someone uses a standard Solar Beam for example, the game will wait until turn 2 to see if Wonder Guard should activate or not. Shadow Force was meant to be on the list of moves with that property, and it was listed as number 272 in the game’s code. But Fire Fang was accidentally put on the list instead, because it was listed as move number 273. Since Fire Fang has no charging turn, it skips the Wonder Guard check during the actual attack
So does Shadow Force fail on turn 1 against Wonder Guard?
@@urkerab Nah, it just checks if the target has Wonder Guard on turn 1, doesn’t do anything with that information, then proceeds as normal and checks again on turn 2
i read this comment in my head with your voice
I love how poetic this video is, it starts with the fastest electric type in the game and it ends with the fastest electric type in the game
eternatus actually needs 240 EV’s in either special defense or physical defense along with a nature boosting that same type of defense for it’s defense stat to become 0
The fact that pokéstar mons are part of the hackmons meta is so funny
Hackmons, just like super mario 3, is just a stage play. This is insane.
seeing so many of my hackmon friends that i talk to a lot on showdown in this video just makes me so happy
I see I've been given a milotic for the outro! It's funny cuz I've been working with more defensive teams as of late. Thank you!
Was recommended this video by youtube and really liked it so checked out your other videos and was shocked to find you were one of the old NL highlight creators and I had already watched all of your NL videos 6-7 years ago. Glad to see you’re still making great content!
I've made quite a transition.
@@jimothycoolDid you transition after NL started playing (and failing miserably) at Pokedoku?
It would appear that the JimCool Expanded Universe has reached a time of peace. However, I cannot help but feel that there is some discord lurking in the shadows. I worry that it has even reached the highest position of power - Jimothy himself.
We must remain vigilant, folks.
In case anyone is curious why you can’t change a Pokémon’s ability on the gen 3 cartridge: each Pokémon’s data only contains a single bit (a 0 or 1) indicating its ability. 0 means it gets its species’ first possible ability, 1 means it gets the second (if it has one, otherwise it gets no ability which is how you can remove the ability on some Pokémon).
As I was learning about the internals of the game I was curious for the longest time how I heard rumors of wonderguard sabeleye in gen 3 since that’s impossible with the model I described. So it’s really validating to hear jim say that it’s not possible haha.
could you use hacks to change what "its species first/second possible ability" is?
@@cjr4908 Not without modifying the game/cartridge's code. I think the restrictions on hackmons is they have to be able to exist on an unmodified cartridge even if they are brought into the save file illegitimately. Otherwise you could modify the game's code to do anything lol.
That's actually really interesting to learn.
Thanks I had this exact question
What would happen if you set it to 2 would you just get like an error or something
Gen 7 is the main pure hackmons meta game played on showdown for those curious. I think it’s bc of the unique gameplay of Gen 8’s meta game with overflow states.
Thanks for covering this! This is probably my favorite meta game of all time, very unique and fun to play and I don’t see enough ppl talking about it!
Interesting. This surprised me since I know gen 6 pure hackmons was the main one for a long time, so I wonder if anything happened to change that. I remember seeing some perception that the mold-breaker like moves introduced in gen 7, though this could be wrong since I never played it myself.
@@loftilywrongly3483 the high ladder community got tired of gen6 and did a vote to change it to gen7, which would allow for more creativity in teambuilding. Many people still think gen6 is the most competitive, however it's really more of a tournament only format now.
9:12 something to note about this: Pokéstar Spirit's ability is *already* Wonder Guard in the official games, and isn't changed here
glad to see so many of my pure hackmons friend in this video
Why does gen1 hacked mons look like a perfectly crafted hell
Great video, but was a little sad there was no mention of one of my favorite hackmons: Sturdy Shedinja. It was never the "best" so it makes sense it wasn't here but was a fun thing you would see around from time to time.
Really great video. Thanks for making it! I'd say it's mostly accurate. Enough to be a useful resource for sure. By the way as for Gen 8, there's like, a +2 to the damage multiplier that makes Eternamax take about 2 damage per hit when its overflown stat is targeted, but this is so low it's virtually 0 and you're still not gonna get remotely anywhere near KOing the Pokemon with that move.
4:56 Grew Don mentioned
Hello Jimothy, this is folks
Hello folks.
Folks is insane
I am gaming, folks.
An interesting note about eterna-max and stat overflow. You actually need to NOT max out your chosen defensive EV in order to hit 0 in it exactly. If you go to high then you instead wrap all the way around to a single didget defensive stat. Meaning you take infinitely MORE damage then if you had even just left the EV at 0.
Iirc you want 240 EVs and a boosting nature to hit 0 exactly
I had a hacked Mewtwo that I used in Stadium 2 as a kid. Only thing illegal about it was that it had earthquake. I got it from a friend and didn't know that was illegal on Mewtwo in Gen 2. It wasn't until a few years ago when I was building a Gen 2 Ubers team on showdown that I learned it couldn't learn earthquake.
Jim then: "Subscribe to avoid being targeted by Iron Mugulis"
Jim now: "Subscribe to avoid being mocked mercilessly and have tomatoes thrown at you"
I blame the fact that Iron Mugulis has become a valued financial partner in Jimothy's various endeavors such as monitoring the Horse Council Wars and the everlasting battle against the corporate greed of Old Money.
With the stat over flow for eternamax eternatus, It would only take one HP of damage. Not nothing. So in theory with infinite PP on both sides of the field and eternatus not doing something that would negatively affect your Pokemon (Like it just using celebrate) it would eventually faint. It would take an absurd amount of time, but it would happen.
Very good video - straight to the point, gives not only the best pokemon in each gen but some very helpful and interesting context and detail about the metagame too. Plus an entertaining subscriber message. Jolly good show
I briefly topped the gen 4 hackmons ladder back in the day, and I used to rep a level 1 wonder guard Sableye with Endeavor, Dragon Rage and Gastro Acid. Good fun.
I was so happy to hear you pronounce truant correctly, feels like every other poketuber I've ever heard say it says it troo-ont
Hacking in Pokemon allows you to use impossible combinations of moves and abilities.
That's damn right.
@@jimothycoolyour power is going to your head
@@shawverno.1130 I have a sneaking suspicion that Jimothy Cool's channel has been taken over by his evil twin... TIMOTHY HOT.
You can take an overpowered legendary like Mewtwo and give it the best moves and ability possible
to abuse its powers and abilities to the max.
I love these videos in community formats! It's cool to see how pokemon that are weak on the main formats can rise up
Mega Audino go brrr
When I was in gen 8 pure hackmons, saw a lot of regieleki's running hazards for one, then having comatose+sleep talk+scarf+whirlwind to have whirlwind go first and never give you a chance to attack.
I played a lot of gen 8 PH so let me add a few things. Eternamax can only be immune to damage on the physical or special side. Not both. That was a way to get around it as well. A common pick was shell smash calyrex shadow with moongeist beam and psystrike. And then normally a fairy move. You just sus out which eternamax was immune to which side (usually they’d bring one of each) and then click the physical or special move.
Additionally, Regieleki was huge in gen 8. And comatose was really common. Typical set was choice scarf with comatose, sleep talk, whirlwind, and roar. Set up hazards and then phase spam until they have 1 mon left. Magic bounce was a big counter and also helped vs toxic spamming eternamaxs.
12:45 Arceus-steel looks a bit different than I remember, probably wrong shade of grey.
How many are there to choose from?
@@urkerabOne gazillion
Whoosh...
Glad to see im in the video twice! Great video!
Eternamax Eternatus has to have 200 evs and the plus nature I believe so that it hits EXACTLY 655 and does the overflow correctly
Ok usually "pls subscribe" bits never work on me but that one at the beginning was great, you earned my sub with that one. don't want no toamtoes.
I believe the reason Gen 6 is so popular for Pure Hackmons is also in part due to EVs. In every other generation, EVs can be hacked to be 252 in everything, but you only get your normal 510 in Gen 6 Pure Hackmons so an opportunity cost exists to “balance” things
prankster spore! prankster spore! prankster spore!
Me: Mom, can we have prankster spore?
Mom: We have prankster spore at home.
Prankster spore at home: Literally just Electrode 🎱
magic bounce:Allow me to introduce myself
RBY Hackmons would be a lot more interesting if showdown was able to implement pre-statusing mons. RBY link battles dont fully heal your pokemon before battle so you could just bring a poisoned chansey that is able to completely block sleep
Why can’t you just switch your first Pokémon that falls asleep and kill Electrode? Or is there no sleep clause?
I think it's beautiful that the best hacked pokemon looped back from the first to the ninth generation to be an electric type pokemon that is round shaped. Fast balls wins
You have to give Eternamax Eternatus a specific EV value + a boosting nature to reach 0 in a stat, not just a boosting nature
Eternatus-Eternamax needs a defense or special defense stat with exactly 31 IVs, 240 EVs, and a positive nature to become invincible in that stat.
And you didn’t even mention how commonly it ran Neutralizing Gas ability and Safety Goggles to shut down pretty much everything.
Heeheeheeha’s PFP on showdown is funny, got the pikmin and the stage hazard bug from distant planet. Pretty funny.
“Schlimothy Cool” is the best at filling me up with his competitive pokemon knowledge
Best hackmon in gen 2 might as well be curselax.
I did not know that about fire fang in gen 3. Mr jimothy is teaching the viewers new things about pokemon almost every day! First you taught us that Alakazam was a French pokemon, and now this!
Crowd Booing, and Throwing Tomatoes SFX
I can hear you laughing/smiling during some parts of this lmao.
16:47 It will take 1 damage from all attacks
“What's the most you ever lost on a game of Gen 1 Pure Hackmons?”
11:09 sheeplol spotted
11:46 sheep liver also spotted, crazy how the 2 players i know named sheep both mainly play hackmons
someone said my name
@@sheeplol2161 yeah hi im quagsirefan
@@Octobeann hello
There it is, lad. Eternatus E-Max, the being blessed with invulnerability to all threats, physical or magical.
Correction: When the defense is 0, it always does 1 damage, as 1 is the minimum damage you can deal without immunities.
gen 1 pure hackmons is the most obvious example of why bans are good actually and having a theoretically higher number of options don't equate to an increase in diversity, actually the opposite often times.
Or why don’t they just use sleep clause?
@@Begeru sleep clause IS a ban. in the interest of being "pure", they didn't want any bans
Finally I may have some useful knowledge here.
As I understand it, the 0 DEF bug works almost exactly as Jimothy described but with 1 key difference. When the damage calculation is ran with 0 DEF it actually produces a value of 2 damage before modifiers every time (from Gen V onward anyway.) This is mostly because the formula includes a three tiered division, which (simplifying it down to the relevant parts only for this example) includes (Attack/Defence)/50 and when Defence is 0, the total sum tends toward infinity, which the game spits out as a 0, then a flat +2 is added onto the sum, which results in the consistent 2 damage (before modifiers)
People say it's "taking no damage" because it's a negligible amount but it's not actually 0, that's also why Jimothy wouldn't have been able to recreate it the way he originally expected.
I was really hoping for Sturdy Shedinja to show up, but I guess it's just worse than most Wonder Guard pokemon, huh?
I’d love to see a balanced hackmons format for gen1 with sleep clause/species clause just to see what happens. I imagine electrode is still crazy because you get a free ko every time but at least it’s only one.
so gen 1 balanced hackmons
or maybe just ban spore
15:20 - What is the Munchlax doing on heeheeheeha's team? Who invited my man blud?
I'm impressed eternatus doesn't use corrosion and toxic, so it can even oouaon other eternatus and it's more reliable than 1 hit ko moves
corrosion gets shut down by neutralizing gas, which is the best ability in the metagame (and especially prevalent on the pokemon corrosion would want to target)
I like to run a Shedinja with Sturdy with these moves: Endeavor, Quick Attack, Shadow Claw, & Shell Smash. I also have that Shedinja with a teammate with SafeGuard.
Now I understand why giritina wanted to be god
I actually can't believe I wasn't subscribed to Jimothy Cool
Words cannot describe the hype I felt when you mentioned the debate of Giratina in his Origin form being the best Pokémon in the entirety of Gen 4 Pure Hackmons.
eternamax overflow happens at specifically 240+ in the stat of choice; any more than that then the stat goes up to 1 and it takes a lot of damage
I feel like sturdy shedinja deserves at least an honorable mention. It got itself banned from balanced hackmons because of the way it centralized teambuilding
Gen 1 has sleep clause in Stadium, with 8F arbitrary code glitch it is possible to put hackmons into Pokemon Stadium as well.
Impressive. Now I know about the best hacked Pokémon in every game.
it's fitting that in the most chaotic format Giratina is (often) the best pokemon
and its the most consistent lmao
Jimothy, could you make a video about PP in competitive Pokemon? Is it a necessary mechanic? Is it ever relevant in the faster paced VGC format? Why did Pokemon go with this over the typical mana or MP that other games use? What does PP even stand for? I’d be very interested to hear what you have to say about PP.
In BW I hacked in a max speed no guard Ninjask with 2 OHKO moves, extreme speed, and aerial ace for Shedinja. Give it a focus sash to tank a move against sturdy users. Works against pretty much anything that isn’t Deoxys-S, at which point you can just give deoxys-S this setup
Gen 3 not being able to hack abilities makes me think about creating restricted hackmon formats.
Only abilities, only move, only stat redistributions(is not available?). Only modify one thing at a time until you get back to the existing hackmon format, then go again.
Fire Fang ignores Wonder Guard because of a coding error
If I remember correctly, its id is one point higher than shadow force's, giratina's signature move which was supposed to ignore abilities
They mixed up the ID numbers
Im sad that neutralizing gas wasnt mentioned cause pure hackmons also became a game of neutralizing gas, and the abilities that ignore it
The eternatus thing is implemented, they need a specific number in his defenses but i dont remember it
17:00 i believe its 240 evs and a nature. it could be 244? but it isnt max evs
Is that sinnoh music at the end?? how nostalgic
Normalize skillswap shell smash gengar is so fun to use in gen5 hackmons
Mega Audino mentioned!!
What is the strongest possible hacked Pokemon in every single game?
I don’t know why I had to point this out, but when you said “what is the-“ at the beginning, you sounded just like Mordecai from Regular Show
Supreme Overlord with Last Respects. Tell me that doesn’t sound strong.
Would a special attacker like Mega mewtwo Y be good with simple + geomancy + power herb? This format seems very interesting and this video helped me learn alot.
i think jimothy cool has found out about hackmons
Very disappointed we didn’t find out which hackmons are best to hack the horse ability on to
iirc with eternamax's stat overflowing you have to get the stat to exactly 655 (which is 240 EVs and plus nature i think)?, and it still technically takes damage, however it will only be 2 damage before applying any other modifiers like STAB or type effectiveness so it's still basically immune. every stat except HP can overflow but there's no real reason to overflow anything but defense.
Having 0 in a stat breaks the game because it breaks the damage calculator since you can't divide by 0 and 0 times any number is still 0. Having 0 in the stat also means your opponent can't do much to alter the stat as most stat alterating moves are not able to change a pokemon's stat if it is 0. It will still take 1 damage because attacks will always deal a minimum of 1 damage.
MissingNo. goes to crazy levels naturally
If this was Balanced Hackmons, it'd be hard to say who's the best Pokemon of any given generation unless your default answer is imposter Chansey. In the current gen, gen 9, a lot things are banned or "unavailable." I'm wishing for Shedinja to be unbanned because there's so many counter options now, Salt Cure being an example. For the FYI Shed was banned because you would have to have a counter for every Shedinja Sturdy set, because you can have boots, sash, covert cloak, lum berry and goggles (which is pointless bc of sleep/spore being banned), but tbh they do the same thing every game, its pretty predictable and its easier to set up indirect damage, ability ignore moves or brings back Mold Breaker meta.
Also, context, Shedinja was banned before gen 9, it might have been banned in gen 7 tbh.
The way you do it is 240+ in a stat, to get exactly 0. Otherwise you go over and get 1, or you get too low. With eternatus I mean
13:20 What's going on here? Why is Blissey able to use defog if there is no PP left for the move?
The Mega Audino it transformed into has 2 moveslots with Defog.
Its not a practical solution, but since imposter only gives 5pp for each move every time you switch in, it's possible to pp stall such a chansey if you don't have strong offensive attacks for them to copy. I mean, it's not likely, since usually the chancey would just switch out to restore pp, but it's possible at the end of the game, or with shadow tag or something xD
But you then have to play with Pokemon that don't have strong attacking moves