John MacArthur | Orthodox & Catholics Teach False Gospel
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- To those who ask “Don’t you want to see unity?” I ask in return, “Are you willing to allow souls to be led into darkness by false religion and error?”
“Evangelicals and Catholics Together” practically demands that evangelicals regard all active Catholics as true Christians and refrain from “proselytizing” them. To accede to that request is to capitulate to reckless faith.
I have heard testimonies from literally hundreds of former Roman Catholics who affirm unequivocally that while they were in the Catholic Church they did not know Christ at all. They were blindly following the religious system, attempting to earn grace and work their way into divine favor. They actively partook in the sacraments and ceremonies and rituals, but they had unregenerate hearts. Hardly a Sunday evening passes without at least one or two former Roman Catholics giving a testimony to that effect from our church baptistery. None of these people passed from death to life until they abandoned their blind faith in the Roman Catholic system and embraced the message of God’s free grace.
Faith without works is dead.
And what works did the thief on the cross perform?
@@terrifictomm Works is a action and he spoke the truth.
@@terrifictomm John the Baptist and Jesus where murdered for speaking the truth.
@@terrifictomm John the Baptist got his head chopped off for telling King Harod it was wrong to marry his brother's wife. Harod's wife overheard and wanted his head after that and got it on a platter.
@@terrifictomm If you try and justify your greed and selfishness with nonsense then I tell you, you have your reward.
Works is the evidence of faith, if you say you believe something but don’t act on it, you don’t really believe it.
Faith alone is a lazy form of Christianity.
@@mitchjames9350 I was thinking that tbh 😅
@@mitchjames9350esp 2:8-10”for by grace are ye saved through faith, and not of yourselves. It is the Gift of God
Not of works, lest any man should boast.
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them”
So salvation its self is by faith alone but James 2 “faith is dead without works” but faith comes before works. OSAS is true John 10:27-28”my sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they will follow me. And I give unto them enternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand” you can’t lose your salvation because if your really saved then you will not run away and you will have works. Saying faith is lazy is one blasphemous to God himself because it’s the only way one is saved and once saved you will have good works from the power of God bit of yourself because your incapable of doing it on your own. I love you brother but your foolish remarks that one’s faith being lazy isn’t true. Though if one says he is saved and has no works let that fool be accursed for he does not know the lord.
Sanctification comes after faith justifies the Christian
@@mitchjames9350sanctification is the work. Faith alone is what is required for salvation through. Are you calling God lazy? Maybe you should tell Him to re-write the Bible
"Every Christian was wrong for 1500 years until Luther and Calvin came around." -John MacArthur
@@johnsixfourteefour629 did I say works were enough?
MacArthur never said that. There were Christians in the early church that believed in Faith alone.
@@johnsixfourteefour629😂
@@matthewrudolph3514 Who were these Christians name them
@@yalechuk6714 lol St Paul in the letter to the Galatians, Augustine 5th century Psalm 31:7, John Chrysostom who said” to have brought humanity, more senseless than stones, to the dignity of angels simply through bare words, and faith alone, without any hard work is indeed a rich and glorious mystery. It is as if you were to take a dog, consumed with hunger and disease, foul and loathsome to see, unable to move lying passed out, and make him all at once into a human being and to display him upon the royal throne”, Clement of Rome. The Publican in Luke 18 he went away justified without performing any works of penance or any sacraments or rituals. His justification was complete. There many more and I believe You’ve been lied to. You will stand before God one day boasting about your works and your supposed goodness He will say depart from me I never knew you. Get right with Him while we still have time.
BECAUSE you are redeemed by faith in Jesus, you go to work for Him.
Exactly - so faith alone is a nonsense.
Did the thief on the cross complete any works for his salvation? No! He acknowledged Christ as Lord & Savior- Faith…
@@KDawgKy Did Paul complete any works?
@@apo.7898 Apostle Paul by the guidance of the Holy Spirit wrote 13 Epistles, healed people, established churches, defended the Gospel, established the very foundation for the church, the list goes on and on…he worked every day for Christ.
@@KDawgKy Why did he do it if faith was enough? Why not follow the 'faith alone' and 'sin boldly' doctrine?
“Faith that works through love” - Just like the Bible teaches…
The Protestant position is “faith ALONE (don’t read James 2 pls)” and anything else is a false gospel which is no gospel at all that is works salvation, but then they say that works are still necessary in faith alone but they’re only fruit of a changed inner life, even though not having these works will still send you to hell, but it’s not because the works do anything other than prove your love, because apparently love requires works, but since we’re not allowed to admit love requires works we just say that it’s an evidence of genuine repentance and the repentance itself comes from love, that way the obedience can be disconnected from the faith through repentance which is a work and an evidence so our whole system doesn’t come crashing down.
When I started to really realize just how much mental gymnastics are going on with this “works are absolutely not required and to say they are is the worst heresy and pure Antichrist, BUT you can’t just live however you want and claim to be a Christian, therefore good works are an evidence that you require to be saved even though they play no part in the saving but only as evidence, which even includes repentance itself which is literally a requirement of salvation, and if you ask the Calvinists even faith itself is a work, so you see there is no good work that contributes to your salvation, not even repentance and faith, because predestination. Would you like Lutheran Single-style Predestination, or Calvinist Original Double Predestination? We also have a new flavor, Calvinist Single Predestination with Compatibilism.”
Besides, I would point out that, while faith that works through love is a totally accurate expression, we’re not saved BY that but THROUGH that. We’re saved BY grace. Through faith that works through love. That’s what I’ve started saying now instead of “We’re saved by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone, according to the Scriptures alone, for the glory of God alone.” If someone asks how the Bible says we’re saved, it says we’re saved by grace through faith that works in love. And that’s three parts, not four. 1) God’s grace saves us 2) it saves us through faith 3) the kind of faith grace saves through performs loving actions (pure, agapē love). Which is all “works” means anyway, in the broadest sense and not when Paul is talking about works of the law specifically or something, just means any action you take. So again, Protestants literally don’t even believe that someone with no works is saved, they just explain it so that the works don’t save you, just checking that you have the works there is part of the requirement, but you don’t get any credit for doing anything, just an everlasting reward.
@@littlefishbigmountain not just james. And if you truly follow and accept all scripture then you can't tell us to not quote james which dogmAtically says we are not justified by faith alone. And paul says we need a faith that worketh by charity. And Galations says we need," Faith expressing itself in love". Follow the bible
@@robertkolinsky1286
Exactly! Although their position isn’t actually not to read James 2, that was a bit of sardonic humor. The way they read it still squares with faith alone, funny enough, even though it literally says “Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.”
Don’t ask me how they interpret how Abraham’s works perfected his faith, or how he was JUSTIFIED by works (especially this because that’s such a big yet specific term for Protestants, see Penal Substitutionary Atonement Theory for its legal usage), that this work in question is said to have fulfilled the Scripture that was already written about Abraham that declared him to have imputed righteousness (!!!), and literally that by works a man is justified, just like Rahab was justified by works too when she saved the Israelite spies, and that faith alone is a corpse without a soul in it, and that it actually cannot save anyone (that one’s from the hypothetical question in 2:14, to which the answer is obviously no.) because I don’t remember anymore how I used to read this passage literally saying the opposite of what it says just because I was trying to harmonize it with my preconceived notions of the Pauline epistles instead of asking if I got my theology right in the first place, not to mention where and who and when it came from
@@littlefishbigmountain oh I see are you a former protestant? Welcome hom!
@@robertkolinsky1286
Yeah, raised “non-denominational”, which is ironically basically just Baptist but with different individuals in the congregation being different levels of “Pentecostal”. Our congregation though is thankfully not as disorderly as some such churches are, at least unless you go to youth events where sometimes people are encouraged to all just speak out in tongues at the same time with no interpretation (there almost never is) which is explicitly condemned in the churches in 1 Corinthians 14, not to mention “spontaneous” laughter which always creeped me out. ANYWAYS it could’ve been a loooot worse based on the other non-denominational/charismatic/“Pentecostal” churches I’ve been to over the years.
Overall, at least the church I was raised in upheld basic morality (through the form of the 10 Commandments), that faith without works is dead, and matter of practical spirituality (for which reason James is actually a favorite in the church, as opposed to some Protestants who avoid it for some of the above reasons). It definitely could’ve been a lot worse.
But, yeah, because of Sola Scriptura, I just kept digging and digging and questions gave me more questions, until I was questioning assumptions I never thought I’d question in a million years like, “Does the New Testament really teach that the Law of Moses contradicts the New Covenant?” or “Is it true the hell is eternal conscience torment?” or “Is the Trinity really biblical?”, and that’s after all the Reformation stuff itself that shocked me and really started to shake me up the more I looked into it like Calvinism, or the connections between the church I was raised in and the theology of Ulrich Zwingli and his students that even went beyond what he was willing to accept and even their influence on the Radical Reformation and the Anabaptists, etc.
Basically Sola Scriptura led me to a point where I could not maintain any presuppositions of the Bible at all and essentially had to approach it actively forgetting almost everything I thought I knew. At some points, really all I had to hold on to was I knew God was real and raised Jesus from the dead to save sinners, which is thankfully enough hope to hang on to even in that crazy Descartes-ish expedition.
I just kept praying for the Spirit of Truth to lead me into all truth and for God to help me rightly understand His word, not according to any private interpretation, in Jesus’ name. Although I’ve been led all around clinging to that prayer, Orthodoxy is the first thing that’s really making me crave to experience it, sometimes like a hunger sometimes like an itch, and when I’m in my home church now I just can’t get fully immersed in the worship like before. Even though I work the services actually atm, but I’m working on changing my line of work so I can go to a different church. There are a few Orthodox churches in town, and there’s a Greek Orthodox one my wife is apparently familiar with near the old college I went to downtown that she’s willing to go check out with me (but I need new work first!). I’m still praying about it, but long story short I’d still call myself an inquirer. For the moment I’m doing my research and looking for answers to any objections I might have from how I was raised or questions that may come up, I mean Eastern Orthodoxy is a huuuuuge paradigm shift from the Western paradigm in general, even more so Protestant, and more so one with memorial view of the Eucharist and a public declaration view of baptism and Pentecostalism.
Despite all these “apostolic” preachers I started hearing in the last 10 or so years getting really popular (which thankfully I had been skeptical of) were so foreign to what any historical evidence of truly apostolic Christianity is.
I still don’t know how I feel about this one, holy, catholic, apostolic church idea as it’s often presented though to be completely honest because as an Orthodox I’m not sure how to view other professing Christians. A lot of Orthodox say they long for union with Rome, as do they say in return, but they both seem to really be saying that the other must admit it was heretical for half of church history and the other was always the true church, which neither is willing to admit, and then the Oriental Orthodox (miaphysites) some say are saying the same thing as the Caledonian definition in different terms and that they’re following Cyril of Alexandria’s formulation before it got confused by the Tome of Leo since the one nature formulation predated the two nature formulation (even studying the history of the councils leaves me confused on the point tbh, as I can’t seem to understand the continuity), and then the Church of the East get dismissed as Nestorian but then I’ve even heard that after talks with the churches some have determined that the supposed teachings of Nestorius got exaggerated over time by his opponents and became straw men and that if you study the primary documents of Nestorius he’s not saying what some people claim he’s saying, etc., and then there’s every Protestant I’ve ever known, are they all going to hell? Or can I even call them Christian? I still don’t understand how all that stuff works.
Sorry for ranting! Haha. I think I had some thoughts I may have needed to get out. I know you were thanking me on coming home to the true church. Truth is, I’m not there yet! But I feel very, very close 😊 It really seems like I’m gettin’ to the end of the journey, but we shall see. In my life, as long as I’ve not stopped praying for God’s will, it will be done sooner or later.
So basically noone was saved before the 1500? 💀💀
Yes, Calvin is the new savior duh. All the non-western European, brown people are in hell. Calvin sez so.
They were saved if their faith was genuine which then led them to do good works, which is the way it should be for every Christian. If they just focused on good works without having faith they were not saved, even our greatest works are like filthy rags to God.
@@tommysuriel good deeds come of a good intention, which God loves. There is no way to argue that alms of a sinner are worthless to men in need of help. Only God knows the inner convictions that motivate, and I daresay He’d be lenient with a faithless man that did actual good for his neighbor. One who lacked love though he had perfectly correct faith would come up short.
@@claesvanoldenphatt9972 The problem with what you're saying is, the Bible is clear in that God hates sin, and every human being sins, no matter how much good they do, they're sinners and also evil people do good things all the time, they're still evil. In the Old testament God had Israel sacrifice animals for the redemption of their sins, Jesus came to be the ultimate sacrifice so that whosoever believes in him will be saved and forgiven of their sins once and for all, this is what the Bible teaches, without faith in Jesus we're all wretched sinners to God and can't enter the Kingdom of heaven
@@tommysuriel those are some good points but Jesus’ work is narrowed down too much. He conquers death as God by taking on an undeserved punishment as man. If he were a mere man it would achieve nothing. He ‘becomes sin’ like the goat for Azazel, but also like the one for Yahweh, whose blood covers the altar and people renewing them in life.
James 2:24 "You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone"
Genuine Faith will produce good deeds but only Faith in Christ saves.
See Galatians where it's clear that a person is justified by faith alone. Good works are a reflection of true faith. What James is saying there relates to this because, justification is to throw faith alone. The whole thesis of Galatians is that faith alone justifies and that faith plus works is a false gospel.
It's talking about justification before people. Verse 18 makes that very clear. And even Romans 4:2 saids we are not justified by works before God
How very sad. Denying the historical, 2000 year old Christian faith.
Not only historical, it's very clearly stated in the book of James, which they, very conveniently took out of the Holy Bible.
@@invictus9976 youre reading a James which says works are required for salvation? Its not in there. Faith and works go together, and that doesn't mean works earn any part of salvation. To have the arrogance to suggest you had ANYTHING to do with your own salvation is denying Christ of His true grace and power.
@@easytiger35, arrogance and worse is denying the Bible, changing what it says and accommodating it to suit our own beliefs, and that is exactly what many if not all cults and groups do. I'm not going to write the whole thing here, but you could very easily read James 2:14-26. 14 reads: What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but doesn't have works? 17 reads as follows: "faith without works is dead" James even gives an example about works by helping others. No wonder so many deniers of faith/works, have taken this book from the Bible. Please read it and let me know what you think. I don't want you to think that I am being rude or that my intention is to attack you, not at all. Peace be with you and all in the name of Jesus.
@@invictus9976 you just dont understand it. No one says works is wrong. Works happen as a believer, naturally. But to think you earn any part of salvation is wrong. Service is what we are called to do as Christians, but it is not what saves us. You have to be able to see how they both exist without one being the one that saves you.
The historical faith is revealed in the scriptures, not in your traditions
That’s what all Christians believed until about 1540 …we are saved through faith and works
@@brianbrowning5680
What does it profit, my brethren, if a man says he has faith but has not works? Can his faith save him?
James 2:14 RSVCI
What would you say about Ephesians 2:10, Galatians 5:6, James 2:24, Matthew 12:37 & 25:31-46 and Revelation 19:8 among many other scriptures such as hebrews that says by faith Noah *built the Ark* etc.
I've read the New Testament, which has many letters from the first century church. Repeatedly it is said we are justified by grace/faith, not by works. So you are wrong, and the inerrent word of God shows so.
See the scripture Brian Browning posted please, and BELIEVE those scriptures.
@@PaulyTater Pauly, I agree that the entire Bible is the Word of God; and the entire Bible is true. Where is it you think we disagree?
yes, the entire gospel sheds light on the gospel. But the gospel message itself is what we share when we evangelise the lost: The death and burial, deity and resurrection of Jesus Christ - and what this means for God and us.
@@brianbrowning5680 do you believe in free will? Or do you subscribe to Calvanism?
@@brianbrowning5680Wow , but you are deluded
You have a gift of twisting scripture
You follow Luther, we follow Christ
Facts
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
You can play these little infantile rhetorical games but I'll stick to what the bible actually says
@@danielomitted1867 Bro Read Eph. 2:1-10 and break it down line by line. Don't stop at verse 9 lol. There's a home run in v10 that so many reformers love to ignore. Go and do good works, God expects it of you.
@@guts2186 I have many times. Your rebuttal there refutes nothing I said. I'm not anti-lordship so I have no idea why you're responding to me as if that's what I said. Faith is the sole requirement for salvation. Then having been saved we do good works because we're saved. Not to be saved, nor to add to our salvation nor the merit salvation. If you want to try to refute the doctrine of faith alone and the reformers why don't you try learning what it actually is first. Because you obviously haven't
@@danielomitted1867 Bro faith without works is dead. Read James 2:14-26. You need faith and works.
So you’re basically saying the oldest church’s in the world were wrong about the gospel all this while for nearly 2000 years and Christ failed to preserve his church and we had to wait for you to come and teach the world the right gospel ? Give me a break
It is truly insane! 🤯🤯
Christ didn't established any church
@@jeswinamosphilipThen you obviously have absolutely no clue what Pentecost means.
Explain ephesians 2:8-9 “For
by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 'not a result of works, so that no one may boast.”
Explain James 2:14-17 "What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save hime? If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food and one of you says to them 'Depart in peace, be warmed and filled.' but do not give them things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead." Even the demons believe and tremble. 2:24 You see then that man is justified by works and not by faith alone. 1 Corinthians 13:2 "...and though I have all faith so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. Sola Fide is not biblical.@@jeffreyterrio5665
Who is this Protestant to be saying the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches are teaching False Christianity? He has a lot of nerve and he is wrong
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It’s in the name. “Protestant” means to protest. They are protesting against the church that Christ instituted on Earth.
11 verses about salvation by faith alone:
Ephesians 2,8-9 (ESV): For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Romans 11,6 (NLT): And since it is through God’s kindness, then it is not by their good works. For in that case, God’s grace would not be what it really is-free and undeserved.
Romans 3,27-28 (ESV): Then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? By a law of works? No, but by the law of faith. For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law.
Romans 4,5 (ESV): And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness
Romans 5,1 (ESV): Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Galatians 2,16 (ESV): yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
Galatians 3,24 (ESV): So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith.
Romans 3,21-22 (ESV): But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it- 22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe.
Philippians 3,9 (ESV): and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith.
Acts 16,31 (ESV): And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
Ephesians 1,13 (ESV): In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit
Hebrews 11,4 (ESV): By faith Abel offered to God a more acceptable sacrifice than Cain, through which he was commended as righteous, God commending him by accepting his gifts. And through his faith, though he died, he still speaks.
@@barryallen119 none of those say alone. You’d have to write it in like your founding father Luther did. Stop eisegeting the text
@@DF-ei9kc The Bible never mentions the trinity yet we all believe it. Why are you so narrow-minded and disobedient? Obey the bible and not your church doctrine.
I'm a convert to Orthodoxy from Reformed Presbyterian. I read the church fathers and I actually read the book of James.
:) Amin
Amin,to what Eastern Orthodox church are you going?
@@user-rn6gu8bw2m Greek, but sometimes I attend the Russian Liturgy as well.
@@albabialdayaqi5885 GOOD,God bless you man.
@@user-rn6gu8bw2m Same brother☦️
Salvation is 100% the work of God
Amen. 100% Jesus. Not 99% Jesus, 1% works. The gate is narrow!
It is the work of God and Us.
But the problem of faith alone doctrine is that the early Christians didn’t subscribe to that. It has always been faith and works.
As Bugs Bunny would say " He don't know his scriptures do he."
Orthodox church founded by Jesus Chris not by man like yours
Wrong
@@Johnn876How?
@@Johnn876cope
How was founded by Jesus?
@@fr.Angel21 The day of Pentecost, the first bishops (apostles) received the gifts of the Holy Spirit and were thus ordained.
Literally James 2:14-26.
14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without [a]your works, and I will show you my faith by [b]my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe-and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is [c]dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made [d]perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was [e]accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also
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Well, if we are being absolutely literal both of the examples given in James are people being justified by doing one thing. And technically Abraham didn’t actually commit any act. He simply believed God.
So, how literally are we to take James?
@@1920s it's quite simple. James is not contradicting Paul in anyway. He says that we are saved by faith but the works are an extension of faith because how else would you express your faith. That's it. The works themselves do not inherently save you. But they are a means to express your faith.
Matthew 7:21-23
And as for the works themselves, they're very simple.
John 14:15.
It's quite simple. If we are saved by faith without works then we simply would not have to repent. We could just sin boldly. But that is clearly not the case.
@@RajVeesa I’m not saying there is a contradiction. I’m saying the two examples given in the text show people that were justified by doing one thing, and the thing that Abraham did that justified him was belief. It doesn’t say Abraham was justified by repenting, giving to the poor, fasting or anything else. He was justified by believing God. Which, if not the same thing, is very close to “faith”.
Plus Eph. 2:1-10. There's a home run in v10 that so many reformers love to ignore.
Even Satan has faith
Is it faith or knowledge?
he has belief.. faith does not equal belief
You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
John 8:44
Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels” (Matthew 25:41)
Satan does not have a honest and saving faith. He worships only himself and cannot repent.
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He has knowledge, not faith.
Ah yes, St James the Apostle who wrote that we can’t be saved by faith alone has to be wrong… because your 50 year old church says so.
We Orthodox and Catholics have the true dogma and you can’t deny it.
Facts Orthodox Sister.
Amen
10 verses about salvation by faith alone:
Ephesians 2,8-9: For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Romans 11,6 (NLT): 6 And since it is through God’s kindness, then it is not by their good works. For in that case, God’s grace would not be what it really is-free and undeserved.
Acts 16,31 (ESV): 31 And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
Romans 3,28 (ESV): 28 For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law.
Romans 4,5 (ESV): 5 And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness,
Romans 5,1 (ESV): 5 Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Galatians 2,16 (ESV): 16 yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
Galatians 3,24 (ESV): 24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith.
Ephesians 1,13 (ESV): 13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,
Philippians 3,9 (ESV): and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith.
Read your bibles and don't rely on traditions or men.
@@barryallen119 Thank you for your reply. However, these are completely obvious statements. Of course you need faith. But why did Christ come? Because he felt like it? It was it to save our souls. I think you should already know that…
but St James the brother of our lord said, we cannot be saved without works. So then why feed the poor, why clothe the needy, why visit people in prison and care for the sick if I can just say “I love Jesus” and I can be saved. What is the point of the commandments, if ignorant Protestant’s will use it for their self righteousness. Please think about this. And by the way, Christ is the church, he has administered the priesthood which has been running since the time of Pentecost. They gave us the bible. Please understand that our church goes back 2000 years ago.
@@Audleyweir11111 If we’re going to say that we are saved by works, we must qualify whose works. We are not saved by our own works, however meritorious they are in our own eyes. We are saved solely by the work of Christ on our behalf. His death and His resurrection are the works that save us. We receive our Savior by faith (John 1:12).
What about the thief on the cross? He never did any works or did go to church. Jesus saved him cause he had faith. Read Hebrews 11, which shows that all the heroes like Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham etc. were saved by faith alone.
Romans 3,27-28 (ESV): Then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? By a law of works? No, but by the law of faith. For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law.
John is very wrong on this. Probably worried about all the converts leaving protestantism.
10 verses about salvation by faith alone:
Ephesians 2,8-9: For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Romans 11,6 (NLT): 6 And since it is through God’s kindness, then it is not by their good works. For in that case, God’s grace would not be what it really is-free and undeserved.
Acts 16,31 (ESV): 31 And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
Romans 3,28 (ESV): 28 For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law.
Romans 4,5 (ESV): 5 And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness,
Romans 5,1 (ESV): 5 Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Galatians 2,16 (ESV): 16 yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
Galatians 3,24 (ESV): 24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith.
Ephesians 1,13 (ESV): 13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,
Philippians 3,9 (ESV): and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith.
@starsnstripes6925 Did the thief on the cross any good works? No, he believed in Jesus and that was enough for eternal life.
@@barryallen119he had repentance it’s not about doing a certain amount of good works it’s about being truly repentant
@@batemanwave It is GOD who causes repentance not us. By his gift of grace, we put our faith in Him. Turning towards Him and away from sin is not two different things, it is one motion. Tha thief on tha cross realized He deserved death as all humans do, and sought Jesus forgiveness.
@@barryallen119word concept fallacy speed run
Bold statements coming from a Zionist, Dispensationalist, NESTORIAN, Calvinist and Evangelical "Christian"
James 2:17 “faith without works is dead” Salvation is free to whomever but faith and works go hand and hand.
in the goats and sheep parable it is laid clearly that people who didnt know god but did good things in their life and help others can be saved , while some who had faith but did no good works are cast in the lake of fire
it is layed clearly in several places in the bible that deeds and actions are the criteria in the day of judgement and not wether you believed in Jesus or not
@@mariolis
This is wrong too. You have to read the overall statements of the Bible about man's salvation. The Bible clearly says both is needed the FAITH + GOOD WORKS. We inherit the eternal life in Christ neither ONLY through faith nor ONLY through good works.
This is what happens when one part of the Gospel is emphasized over another. Sincere Evengelicals believe that obedience to commandments is needed to be saved by coming unto Christ. That means that both faith and works is needed. Why do they try to tell others that it is only by faith.?
The legacy of Luther.
Glad I can come to Macarthur for my daily dose of humble, nuanced, charitable, and considerate teaching
I Believe you are missing the point - Once a believer, works are necessary but According to St. Paul, Ephesians 2: 8 -10 "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do."
It is sad the he thinks that love and faithfulness are to be cursed. I'm very concerned for him.
Hilarious how it goes right over his brain. 2 apostolic churches with history back to Christ believe the same thing yet Macarthur thinks his 500 year old Calvinist beliefs are true. 😂 Macarthur literally looking at the proof of faith and works yet refuses to believe. That's called pride.
Jesus came to establish a church, not a set of books
@@johnsixfourteefour629 Ya, ancient Israelites viewed the scripture in the same way as Calvin and Luther
@@johnsixfourteefour629you wouldn’t have the Bible without the church. The church preserved the scriptures, gives historical witness to them, and compiled the canon. Paul says the CHURCH is the pillar and ground of truth.
@@johnsixfourteefour629 this is a dumb argument. You believe in a book uphold by the church (ur essentially trusting the church on this issue) if u don't trust the church why did u pick up the bible instead of the Quran???
@@johnsixfourteefour629 Church tradition is what people relied on for hundreds of years, not that "set of books" that no one had access to. Even the authors of those books didn't call their writings Scripture...of course we do today, but just making a point that the importance of Church traditions are what Christians relied on before the Canon was assembled.
McAurther intentionally said "grace and works“ but this is very deceptive of him. The orthodox, catholics, and other apostolic churches all believed you are saved by grace alone, but not through faith alone. The bible never says faith "alone". But it is through faith synergy with works. This is not works of the law which Paul talks about. Read the book of James.
Faith alone is false.
Poor guy turned away from Christ and followed a flawed single person.
Lol, Christ taught that he's the only way to heaven, not your good works
@@zaynewhitmoreand then he also said we will have to give an account for what we did with the saving grace he gave us, check
@@GMART50 sure, but he won't count our sins against us. Since he paid for them all on the cross according to Titus 2:14. And even Romans 11:6 saids "if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace would no longer be grace." Which means we don't have to do good works in his grace for salvation 😁
@@zaynewhitmore wrong again, Hebrews 10:26,27 - For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
@@GMART50 yeah you have to read it in context. The Jews were tempted to back to Judaism and reject Christ, so the sin he's talking about is the sin of rejection. And we also know that 1 john 2:1 saids "my little children I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin, but if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the father. Jesus Christ the righteous." Context is key
If salvation is justified by faith alone, then why did Jesus tell the rich young man in Luke 18:18-30 to follow His commandments in order to have eternal life?
“Those who love me will keep my commandments” works
Im born and raised protestant....im joining orthodox so i can go to church and clwanse my soul for jesus and never ever worry about prosperity grifters or prise flags in my church
Imagine saying “you know those churches that follow the Apostles and were around for the first 1500 years? Well, they were wrong the entire time.”
The Sola Fide folks can take heart in knowing that they don’t have to pray, love one another, repent of their sins, ask for forgiveness, or take care of the less fortunate because they “believe.”
Martin Luther falsely added “alone” to Romans 3:28 so this is an extremely common misconception among Protestants
Poor guy John is deceived into thinking that true faith doesn't show in a person's works
I'm not sure that's what he was saying. I don't know all MacArthur personally believes but I have attended like evangelical churches and there is huge emphasis on the fruits of your faith being displayed through good works. So unless I a missing something I believe the only real distinction being made here is about the requirements for salvation... is it faith alone or faith + works? I'm still praying through this as I'm not sure what I believe. I've always struggled with the sinner's prayer theology that states simply accepting Jesus into your heart saves you. Know lots of people who did that in high school or college and the rest of their lives were lived far from that faith.
He actually teaches Lordship salvation and is often called a works heretic because he teaches that true Christians will have works. He is not an anti-nomian.
@@shanebassett8024 Faith without works is dead. Once saved you should have a desire through the Spirit to do good works! IE show me your faith by your good works, but you were saved before you could do anything that pleases God.
@@moserious697 Amen. The original poster didn't seem aware of John Macarthur's position.
That’s very convenient considering the kind of “works” JM exhibited in dealing with the case of a wife and young children in his congregation being violently abused by her husband where he publicly shamed and disfellowshipped the victim (who was forced to pursue legal protection from her husband) and supported and enabled the abuser as the example of “godliness” (who ended up tried and convicted for abuse of his children and got 21 years to life in CA prison. He was just denied parole at 21 years and will do another 10 since the parole board found he remained a violent sadist who “weaponized religion” vs. his victims). JM is apparently unrepentant to this day and has never apologized nor sought forgiveness for this abject failure of love in his church, Sadly, but not surprisingly, there are numerous testimonies that this is a long-standing pattern in his dealing with others in similar situations in his church.
To be honest, as an Orthodox, this issue on salvation through faith, work or bouth, is something I never knew was an issue in the west.
Hi dear Emanuelsadu, salvation is free gift of God. It is grace of God and you can receive salvation by faith alone. You don't have to do good works for receive salvation. Of course, we need to do good works and get Baptism but that is not the condition of salvation. Jesus was crucified for you and resurrected from the dead. So Jesus saved you. So achieve that free gift of God with your faith alone.
but also for us, to whom God will credit righteousness-for us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead. He was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification. (Roman 4:24-25)
Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household. (Acts 16:31)
If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. (Roman 10:9-10)
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not from you; it is the gift of God; 9it is not from works, so no one may boast. For we are his handiwork, created in Christ Jesus for the good works that God has prepared in advance, that we should live in them. One in Christ. (Ephesian 2:8-9)
To say I am saved by faith is super nice for a reel or a short. For real life you need both. Faith without works is nothing
As a Bible believing Orthodox Christian. When the Bible says “ … a person is justified by works not by faith alone “ (James 2:24)I believe it.
Protestant innovation at its finest. The one place in the entire Bible that uses the words “faith” and “alone” together says, it’s not by faith alone, James 2:24. Maybe someone knows, what year had John’s group started? And when had Christ formed His Church?
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Does John macarthur say that "most church's are bewitched"? I agree.
yes, including his!
He's delusional 😂
This man is the most intolerant pretense I have ever heard. "It is to be cursed"?? People actually listen to your ramblings??
The dangers of preaching to those who already agree with you.
So hilarious how Evangelical Protestants claim to follow the Bible but then blatantly contradict the Bible which declares that we are saved by both faith and works and not by faith alone!
Without faith nothing will be impossible for our Lord Jesus Christ 🙏🙏🙏
Orthodox faith includes works. Also, even though my eternal salvation was accomplished without my input, being saved from sin now requires effort.
Jesus quite literally commanded people to be baptized and Baptists tell everyone that baptism is not an essential part of salvation. There is no Bible for that that is purely man-made doctrine.
Most protestants and Anglicans, Catholics what have you, all ignore the book the acts of the apostles. Acts 2:38 is for everyone.
Yeah Baptist tell people oh that was for the establishing of the early church. Except that’s not Bible again we’re seeing man-made doctrine. The sinners prayer accepting Jesus into your heart is not salvation.
If you believe in Jesus, you would believe what the word commands is to do. Go back to acts 2:38. There’s one lord one faith, so if you believe in salvation, by faith alone, then why didn’t Peter in Act 2:38 tell them to just believe in Christ and they’ll be saved?
I'm not catholic or orthodox but I will defend them on this. They don't (or shouldn't) make works an idol but they believe per James 2: 14 and 15:
" If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, Go in peace, be warmed and filled, without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that?"
It's more accurate to say that Faith without faith working through love is dead.
"By making the idol" what do you exactly mean? Have you ever hard of sacramentals? Even in the bible
Even Paul says love is greater than faith and love is nothing if it doesn’t have action. Even the devil knows God and that does nothing for him.
EASY ANSWER - Ask Siri "Who founded 'insert Protestant Non-Denominational Christian' Church?"
Please try a few other Protestant Christian churches for the exercise.
ANSWER: ??
Then lastly ask, "Hey Siri"... "Who founded the Catholic Church?", and then the Eastern Orthodox Church.
ANSWER: ??
So... who then has the wrong teaching? And who then should you follow?
God Bless ✝️ ❤
I follow the Bible, THE founder of church; Jesus Christ.
@@bohemondtaranto my brother in Jesus... when it comes to the 'CHURCH' and it's ' True Teachings', that JESUS passed onto his Apostles, this preacher that is ATTACKING Catholics and Eastern Orthodox, is WRONG!!!
I highly recommend watching ex-Protestant Pastors & Theolgians like Scott Hahn, Stevie Ray, Sam Shamoun (many many others) on coming to the True teachings of Jesus' True Church after learning Jewish Christian History.
The Bible is the most beautiful book ever compiled, but it can be interpreted in many incorrect ways. Why do so many different Protestant churches exist? Because they disagree on the Bible teaching - How many Truths can there be?
God Bless 🙏
@@KimGomezDesigns WE are His apostles. Because we are the ones that will bring nations to be disciples. There are so many changes on 'church' since the first century.
In the first century churches were never at a specific building, but in homes, by regular people, with regular clothes.
@@bohemondtaranto Amen! But what was the TEACHING in the First Century is the most IMPORTANT point??....... Was it Faith AND Works..... OR Faith Alone?
@@KimGomezDesigns saying faith AND works will make it like they are 2 SEPARATE things. People can choose works first THEN faith. How do you know what are the works if you dont know the WILL of The Father (to be worked for) through faith?
works always come after faith. because works are the fruits of faith. If there is no works after faith, that means the faith is fake/ not deep/no knowledge/no close relationship the The Words
we need to focus on faith, every day, not on works
if we focused on works, you will lose faith
if you focus on faith, the works will follow
if you focus on works, it will be for your own glory
if you focus on faith, the works that follow will be for God's glory.
'Faith alone' never meant to be without works. It means we need to focus on faith, our relationship with God, daily, through His Words, through fellowship with brothers and sisters in Christ.
The Apostles in the first century traveled from town to town, from house to house, to visit the congregation. If your priests and your brothers and sisters in Christ do that regularly, then you are in the right path.
If you have to come to your priests in a certain building once a week, then it is not what the apostles did. If priests only stay in their 'building' never do 'the works' like the apostles did, daily and regularly, then they are the literal 'faith alone' practitioners.
"False Christianity and a false gospel"...coming from someone who believes that God arbitrarily sends people to Hell. I feel like this opinion can be disregarded. 2 quick points... Faith alone was found nowhere in the Bible until the word alone was added to Protestant Bibles by Martin Luther...and the pastor needs to open up the book of James.
This is insane, They are misrepresenting Gods character, which is Just, the most loving, the most kind and the most merciful!
For someone with such a firm stance on Sola Scriptura, it seems comically ironic that MacArthur didn’t recognize the direct reference to 1 Cor 13:2 used by our Orthodox brethren
A Calvinist is calling Orthodox and Catholics false Christians. It’s like a worm calling me a false human.
Galatians 5:6
“For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love.”
Do not be concerned about other's beliefs." What has righteousness to do with unrighteousness ?" Paul asked.
All were given free will to choose the path they travel by our Creator.
Quote a scriptural reference. There are none
I cud careless abt paul hes not God. Christian killer pharisee of all pharisees blasphemed JESUS
Only orthodox ☦️✝️♥️💯 PROCENT
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You need Christ. Your works won’t save you
@@matthewrudolph3514 14 What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good[b] is that? 17 So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18 But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. 19 You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe-and shudder! 20 Do you want to be shown, you foolish person, that faith apart from works is useless? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by his works; 23 and the Scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”-and he was called a friend of God. 24 You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. 25 And in the same way was not also Rahab the prostitute justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way? 26 For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead. James 2:14-26
@@matthewrudolph3514 salvation by faith alone will not save you fellow Protestant and I speak from being a Protestant
I have read the Bible. It litterly says salvation by faith or by works alone is DEAD you must have both to be saved
And every man must believe and work
This quote is the truth. “Nothing is for free in this world why should your salvation be free” but it won’t cost worldly possessions. It will just cost true faith and true works
@@redbaronace19 give me Biblical verses to prove it.
Where exactly can I find the words "faith alone" in the bible?
Look in Galatians , Romans
“For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith working through love.”
Galatians 5:6 ESV
“You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone “ - James 2:24
MacArthur is a Calvinist (if I’m not mistaken) and therefore these claims he is making don’t really have much weight to them. I’ve grown up in the evangelical Protestant church and the general theology of that church has been what I’ve known for a long time, but recently I’ve been studying orthodoxy. This is because my church and other churches im familiar with have decided to “go back to the basics, the beginning” which would be what is found in Scripture and what was the belief of the Apostles. The Roman Catholic and Orthodox churches both claim to have this faith and therefore it is worth studying them to see if this is true. One of the main issues that I’ve run into is the Protestant doctrine of solas, which comes from the reformation and not from the early church fathers. The Orthodox Church follows the early church fathers who followed Scripture and tradition (these were the men who are responsible for canonizing scripture and therefore it would be silly not to pay attention to what they believed). The most simple answer to this whole debate from the orthodox perspective is that it is both/and. What this means is summed up in “faith without works is dead”. Calvinism rejects this entirely especially in their doctrine of predestination where it is not possible for man to make a choice. But then where is faith? Faith is not knowing, it is living out belief. The works display faith but are also the very means by which we have faith. That is what the doctrine is really saying and not that doing a bunch of good deeds will get you into heaven. Of course I have much to learn and MacArthur has read a whole lot more than I have which would mean it is likely his own pride that blinds him. To me it is insane to follow Calvin if he killed people for being “heretics”, that is an evil thing.
I come from a very similar background and am also starting back at the fundamentals.. I think this comment is very well thought out and written I very much agree…
Correct ..from reformation , not original
Homerun brother!😇🙏
God's choosing of us, Christ dying on the cross for us, the Holy Spirit regenerating our hearts are the means of our faith. Not our works.
Amen to that brother!
John MacArthur is just plain wrong. He has become pompous. He is going to take on the entire Eastern Church based on his experience and training? Really?
The book of James points out that faith without works is dead.
Faith alone is NOT taught in the Bible. It was not taught by the Early Church. It was not taught in the Patristic Era.
MacArthir has attacked the Eastern Church before.
Let’s think about this for a moment.
In 1517 we have Martin Luther, a Catholic, adds word to the Bible. He added the German word “allein” into his heavily opinionated German translation. Each book has a page of Martin Luther’s opinions on that book. His bias shows through.
Which came first, the Church or the New Testament? The Church was up and running for four decades or more BEFORE the first Gospel was penned.
The Early church did not use the Hebrew Bible (proto-Masoretic) but used the “Book of the Seventy” known to us today as the Septuagint and it included the Deuterocanonical books too!
Also, Church tradition maintains, and the Eastern Orthodox support the notion that Hebrews WAS, in fact, written by Paul.
Modem day textual criticism throws out the testimony of the established Church when these modernists say that we do not know who wrote Hebrews. Malarkey!
The Early Church Fathers, the Early Church and the Patristic era all believed the entire Bible was Holy-all the books contained therein. The Eastern Orthodox Church and the Oriental Orthodox Church hold these to be Holy, as does the Orthodox Coptic Church of Alexandria, Egypt-the one founded by Mark, the writer of the Gospel that bares his name.
The ancient Hebrew Bible was translated into Koine Greek by Hebrew translators brought to Egypt at the behest of Ptolemy Philadelphus II in 247 BC.
thank you
Bro didn’t even back his stuff up 💀
Romans 5:18-20
Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people. For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
The law was brought in so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more,
colossians1:20
and through Him to reconcile to Himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through the blood of His cross.
2 Corinthians 5 :19
that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation
.acts13:39
And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Titus3:5
He saved us, not by the righteous deeds we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of new birth and renewal by the Holy Spirit.
Philippians 3:9
and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith.
Romans1:17
For the gospel reveals the righteousness of God that comes by faith from start to finish, just as it is written: “ The righteous will live by faith.”
Romans 4:5
But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,
Romans 4:6
And David speaks likewise of the blessedness of the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:
Romans 5:1
Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Romans10:4
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
psalm103:10
He has not dealt with us according to our sins or repaid us according to our iniquities.
psalm 103:12
As far as the east is from the west, So far has He removed our transgressions from us.
John3:15-17
everyone who believes in Him may have eternal life. For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him.…
@@wolfwatchers 14 What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good[b] is that? 17 So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18 But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. 19 You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe-and shudder! 20 Do you want to be shown, you foolish person, that faith apart from works is useless? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by his works; 23 and the Scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”-and he was called a friend of God. 24 You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. 25 And in the same way was not also Rahab the prostitute justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way? 26 For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead. James 2:14-26
you know this is a youtube shorts, right? I know it's been 6 months since you commented but I couldn't scroll pass this one. It almost gave me a headache.
Thanks for helping me along my way to Orthodoxy.
After decades in Protestantism I have grown so sick and tired of protestant play acting on faith and protestant barking, I've become Orthodox.
You have no history
You have no tradition
You are missing out on the fullness of The Faith and The Church and in that you are missing out on The fullness of Christ.
Amen, and welcome home!
I was about to comment, but it looks like you guys are way ahead of me. Praise be to God ☦️
" faith alone " appears only once in the entire Bible and in a verse telling us we are in fact not saved by faith alone.
You keep you dead faith and I will see you at the Judgment of Sheep and Goats where those with faith alone are thrown into the Lake of Fire.
True salvation will always produce good works but good works will never produce salvation.
@@sonamt Of course. Atheists, Muslims, Protestants, Evangelicals, Catholics, they can all produce good works. Orthodox as well.
@@firstnamelastname9141 that's why salvation is in faith alone in Christ and true faith will be known by their works and by their life
@@sonamt And so we are saved by faith and works, and the Solas are a lie
@@firstnamelastname9141
well, not all the solas are a lie...
i agree with solus Christus (Christ alone), soli Deo gloria (glory to God alone), and sola gratia (grace alone)...
but sola fide (faith alone) and sola scriptura (scripture alone), not biblical.
Someone might've already said this in the comments, but here are my 2 cents:
Everytime I see people discussing this topic of faith and works, almost all of them, John McArthur included (if this was all he said, I haven't watched the full sermon) fail to actually define what works are meant. To my understanding, there are 3 types of works;
1. Works as a result of faith in the Lord. These are the works explicitly meant by James in his epistle. Let's call this type Faith-Works.
2. Works as a results of obedience and adherence to the Law. These are the works explicitly mean by Paul. Let's call this type Law-Works.
3. Works as a result of simply doing good deeds, without any faith in a particular deity necessary - the type of good works that, for example, atheists also practice despite the absence of a particular reason and despite the lack of faith in anything which would cause these good works. Let's call this type simply Works.
So, now that we HAVE ACTUALLY DEFINED what works we are working with (hehe, get it?), we can actually proceed to make statements in accordance to our definitions.
Most pastors I've seen tackle this topic COMPLETELY forgo this and what ends up happening is they are confusing their audience, as we can see in this comment section. Instead of clarifying the topic, they bring even more confusion than what was initially there.
Now, let's get to work.
Faith in the Lord needs to bear fruit. If you don't have fruits as a result of your faith, you are a dead tree, like the famous fig tree. This is what Faith-Works means. Your faith has to inevitably bring to existence Faith-Works in your life. Otherwise, your faith is dead and/or false/meaningless. You are justified by faith alone, but if that faith doesn't bear any fruits, it's not going to justify you. It is not the Faith-Works that save you, but they are a natural result of you faith.
If you have only Law-Works, which aren't driven by faith, but rather by fear, then you are not justfied - This is what Paul meant, as he was always comparing Faith to Law-Works and NOT to Faith-Works - hence why DEFINING this is crucial. No amount of Law-Works will bring salvation, hence why Grace was needed in the first place.
Lastly, I think we can all agree that Works alone (as in 3.) won't lead anywhere, so there's no need to discuss those.
Now, what type of Works do the Orthodox and Catholic mean in their dogmas?
I'm inclined to believe both of them have the 1st type of Works (Faith-Works) in mind and as such, none of them are preaching any falsehood. They've simply also remained a bit vague in their definitions I suppose, but John didn't do any better here.
I don't know what agenda John has against the churches, but failing to discern these very important details leads me to believe there is something he has in mind, as I highly doubt he has never bothered to differentiate the type of works that Paul and James meant.
Otherwise, I think we run into a problem that would imply that Christ is not only not taking care of his church, but has lead 90+% of it astray. I don't think any of us want to go there, including John himself even though that's exactly what he insinuates here, hence I'm much more inclind to think he has a particular agenda in mind with these statements and the forgoing of definitions.
As we can clearly see Paul and James mean different things when they mention works just by reading the epistles. If that was not the case, Paul and James would be of contraty opinions and thus would be confusing thier audience as opposed to educating and enlightening it.
Also to mention, I'm not part of either of those denominations, so I have no inclination to defend them, I simply want to bring clarity to the topic, you make your own conclusions after that.
Lastly, to those mentioning the thief on the cross - Please, don't bring a single occurance that is much more the exception than the norm and much more the proof of the Lords Grace and Mercy than anything else, as your argument. If you do, then you get into a lot of trouble, as the thief was also not baptized - Does this mean we don't need to baptize anyone and disobey Christs direct instruction to do so? Does this mean noone has to receive the Holy Spirit? Does this mean you can live you whole life in sin and then repent in the last moment? It's a whole can of worms that you open with that argument. Also, if you do choose to do so, then the thief did present multiple Faith-Works in a very short amount of time:
1. He recognized his tresspasses and his own guilt and confessed himself guilty.
2. He recognized Chirsts' innocence and declared it openly, whilst rebuking the 2nd thief.
3. He declared Christ as Lord and asked to be remembered, which is clearly a sign of conviction and repentence.
All 3 of these acts are works of faith. So did he have Faith-works? Yes, undoubtably so and probably to the maximum extent that he could have given his situation.
Let me know what you think, this is what I firmly believe.
This conflict and apparent contradiction between orthodoxy and protestantism can be resolved if we move out of time for just a minute (pun intended) and consider the contexts of the verses for each of these different interpretations.
Here is Paul. stating unequivocally that we are justified by faith alone and NOT by works:
"...23 for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God; being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus; 25 whom God sent to be an atoning sacrifice,[through faith in his blood...26 to demonstrate his righteousness at this present time; that he might himself be just, and the justifier of him who has faith in Jesus.
27 Where then is the boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a LAW OF FAITH. 28 We maintain therefore that a man is justified by faith APART FROM WORKS of the law." Romans 3:23-28
Then in Galatians he says, the same. Unequivocally. Leaving no room for argument:
"...16 knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, even we believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because no flesh will be justified by the works of the law."
You cannot disagree with the words of Paul.
But what about the words of James? Let's read them in full context:
What good is it, my brothers, if someone claims to have faith, but has no works? Can SUCH FAITH save him?"
Clearly James is saying there is more than one "kind" of faith. He's making a distinction about faith that Paul never mentions. Especially when he was teaching how to be saved by faith.
What is this distinction? That there can be TWO KINDS OF FAITH. A faith that LEADS TO good works and a faith that LEADS NOWHERE.
James goes on to say:
"15 Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you tells him, “Go in peace; stay warm and well fed,” but does not provide for his physical needs, what good is that? 17 So too, faith by itself, if it does not RESULT IN Works, is dead.
18But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith without works, and I will show you my faith by my works."
The problem with this verse is that NOBODY in either Orthodoxy or Catholicism EVER offers up their good works up as PROOF of their Faith. Every person I've ever met who believes you need works to be saved is only HOPING their Good Works will be enough to save them!
THAT is NOT salvation by faith that leads to good works, but a false hope that good works will HOPEFULLY save one's soul!
Let's go on with James' challenge to Salvation by Faith Alone.
"19You believe that God is one. Good for you! [But] Even the demons believe that-and tremble."
They also are NOT saved. So many of these Salvation by Works people TREMBLE at the thought of the justice of God. Just like the demons! They have ZERO Saving Faith.
"20 But are you willing to acknowledge, you foolish person, that faith without works is useless? 21Was our father Abraham not shown to be justified by works of obedience which EXPRESSED HIS FAITH when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 You see that his faith motivated him to do the work (of offering Isaac to God), and as a result of this work, he PROVED HE HAD FAITH because he expressed his faith by obeying God.
And what did God say to him? "Now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your only son from me." Gen 22:12
James goes on to say, "
23 As a result, the Scripture was FULFILLED which says, “ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND THIS [faith] WAS CREDITED TO HIM [by God] AS RIGHTEOUSNESS and AS CONFORMITY TO HIS WILL,” and he was called the friend of God.“
The questions before us now are: WHEN was Abraham justified by faith? And when did AbrahamPROVE his faith by his works. Offering up Isaac as a sacrifice?
Abraham was justified by faith at the precise moment he BELIEVED GOD's PROMISE to make his descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky! That is, when he was approximately 75 years old!
Now, for the Billion Dollar Question: How many years were there between the time Abraham was JUSTIFIED BY HIS FAITH and the time he PROVED HIS FAITH BY HIS WORKS?
The best estimates are that there was between 37 and 52 YEARS between those two events! Look at that!! At least THIRTY-SEVEN YEARS during which time Abraham and NO PROOF he was JUSTIFIED! Does that mean he wasn't SAVED?
ABSOLUTELY NOT!! The Scriptures make it clear that at the moment Abraham BELIEVED GOD, he was COUNTED RIGHTEOUS. Or, as we would say, he was saved by his faith... WITHOUT WORKS.
Yet.
Now let's look at the example of a saved prostitute. One who, by the way, was an ancestor of Jesus. James says,
"25 In the same way, was not Rahab the prostitute justified by works also when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way? 26 For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead."
This one is even easier to explain. James is saying, "Look, we've got people all over the place claiming to be Christians who are living just nasty lives! They are actively violating the commandments of God and claiming they can do that and still be saved because they "believe in Jesus"! It's disgusting! There is no way Jesus, or Paul, ever meant for this to happen. This "faith" these people are claiming to have is NOT the kind of faith that saves the soul! The kind of faith that saves the soul DOES GOOD WORKS! It does good works not to BE saved but because it IS Saving Faith!" That is why he chose the examples of Abraham and Rahab. Because both of them ACTED on their faith! The did Good Works BECAUSE THEY BELIEVED.
But the fact is, Paul kept saying the same thing as well. Several times in the Book of Romans he criticized those who used his teaching of Salvation by Faith to justify living in sin. "What shall we say? Can we keep on sinning so that God can show us more and more grace? GOD FORBID!! If you are REALLY SAVED, you won't want to have anything to do with sin!"
Paul and James are NOT contradicting one another. Paul is talking about Salvation Right Now because of your Faith in Jesus. James is talking about PROVING you have saving faith because you are motivated to OBEY GOD.
There. I hope that helps. Both Orthodoxy and Catholicism are WRONG. No amount of Good Works can save a soul. But a saved soul WILL DO Good Works.
That's a great information.
Right? At the Judgment of Sheep and Goats we will call Christ a stupid liar 😂
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What grade level do I have to write at so you can understand?
Your blindness is ASTOUNDING.
Imagine you are Johnny Appleseed. You travel the country tossing your seeds on the ground, all over the American prairie.
Now some of your apple seeds ends up by the wayside and birds come and eat them up.
Others fall among the rocks where there isn't much soil. Yet the seeds do start to grow up. But because there is no depth to the soil, when the sun gets hot, what little bit of apple tree has grown up is scorched and because it has no root, it withers away.
In other places, you throw your apple seeds among thorns and when the trees try to grow the thorns choke them out.
But fortunately, thank God, some of your apple seeds land on good soil and yield a whole orchord full of apple trees so that to this day everyone remembers your named.
If you are capable of understanding what I'm saying, you will understand. So pay attention.
When one is saved by Christ, he is saved IMMEDIATELY. That is what Paul said. He is saved the moment he exercises faith in Christ. However, as my parable of Johnny Appleseed makes clear, just because you start to grow, doesn't mean you'll ever produce a blooming apple tree. And if your faith never produces fruit, you are pruned from the Vine and cast aside and are gathered up to be burned.
Abraham was saved as soon as he trusted God's Word to him. That is Paul's teaching.
However, he didn't have to PROVE his faith until God told him to sacrifice Isaac and he did.
Whereas, Rahab the prostitute proved her certainty that Jehovah was going to destroy her city the very moment she decided to hid the spies and hung out the scarlet rope to spare her and her family.
If that’s the case then there are millions of “Christians” who attend church every Sunday and the other six days prove again and again they’re anything but believers.
@@PaulyTater And so one is saved by works?
We do believe in faith alone. When you have faith, the works come naturally. That is what we mean. If you truly have faith, the works are a way you show your faith. "Faith in Action" = Faith by acting
Just like when you sit in a chair. You have faith it is going to support you and not collapse. If you did not have faith in that chair, you would not sit in it. Sitting in it is proof that you have faith in that chair.
-an Orthodox Christian
he didn’t even explain why it’s wrong and curses the church ☠️
Because he is a joke, don’t let him talk about Jesus, first he claims Jesus blood, was not gods blood- no power in the name of Jesus- claims Jesus became sin for our fault. Almost like he doesn’t understand the trinity, yet he claims Bible only; son after or before you buy his Bible study. Yet the weak Christian’s will take it, why ?
All we need is faith alone, we can sit down and eat potatoes all day, before the going gets tough Jesus will rapture us.
People don’t understand the rapture theology is just like the prosperity gospel with a different twist.
James 2:14-24.
There is no exact measure for "works", but that doesn't mean that works aren't necessary.
You gotta practice what you actually preach dude.
I'm pretty sure those 1.6 billion Catholic Christians didn't get it wrong.
“For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.”
Ephesians 2:8-10
The book of James talks about how the result of salvation produces good works, however this has nothing to do with earning your salvation, it is the work of the Holy Spirit in a saved person to the glory of God for what He has done, how great is our God, and greatly to be praised!
I was raised Catholic and never knew why Jesus died. Just knew they still had Him on the cross at the altar. He was risen and did not remain on the cross. Never knew a thing about the plan of Salvation and went to more than one Church. My family was Catholic. So as someone once said there are Catholics who are also true Christian's but he doesn't know how they got that way". Apparently on rare occasion this will occur but not through strict Catholic teaching. I didn't get saved until I was 26 and that was through a co-worker. Incidentally, John MacArthur is one of the best teachers I've had the pleasure of reading and listening to.❤.
@@romanmosher6771 I will see you at the Judgment of Sheep and Goats then. Bring your dead faith!
Eph. 2:1-10. There's a home run in v10 that so many reformers love to ignore.
Works do not produce salvation. Faith is the gift of God that brings about salvation. Works are a sign of that salvation, they do not add too nor merit salvation. The more I've spoken to catholics the more it's become obvious y'all are extremely scattered on the issue yourselves. You can talk to ten different catholics and get 10 different answers. Your alleged unity is a joke.
James 2:24 homie
Sorry John, you got this one wrong.
Matthew 25 41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
I fail to detect the loving Spirit of Christ in John MacArthur’s abrasive attitude and words. ✔️
The man who was on the cross next to Jesus was saved by faith but his faith was proven through good works. That good work was when he defended Jesus from mockery.
@@Thislivinghope I think you've confused yourself brother, I'd urge you to read the chapter again after asking for the Spirit so you can better grasp the full context.
Specifically consider what Jesus has been saying throughout his ministry, and know that punctuation and commas were added centuries after the first manuscripts were written and changing the position of a single comma can drastically change meaning. Was it "I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise" or was it "I tell you today, you will be with me in paradise" because one contradicts Jesus ministry and the course of events that followed and the other doesn't. Jesus was sent to preach the gospel of the Kingdom, that was his mission and nothing else. Because Jesus didn't go to paradise that day, he died and first descended into the earth to the spirits in prison. He went to the Father after his resurrection according to scripture 1 Peter 3, Ephesians 4 (I won't give verses because you should read whole chapters to gain context not verses) so the idea that he took the man to heaven or some other place is contradictory to the accounts recorded. Paradise is infact the Kingdom of Heaven and the Kingdom of Heaven has yet to be established which is why he asked him to remember him once Jesus had established it. It isn't a location it is the establishment of Christ's kingship over all and the removal of the current way of things. When he says the Kingdom of God us in your midst. Meaning it's not just simply a place (which it will be on the earth) but it was among them in the form of Christ and within those who remain in Christ. Essentially its a combination of metaphor and literal and is referring to the future Kingdom and the Son and his followers.
But everyone must be convinced in their own mind. If you want to believe what you already believe regardless of its accuracy, that's on you as it is on every person. We can choose to be open to our understanding being corrected by God or we can choose to follow after the beliefs of men that have lead to the fracturing of the church for the temporary benefit of men seeking their own gain.
@@Thislivinghope that would be a contradiction brother. Because he didn't go to "paradise" that day he died and "descended into the earth" he never left the earth until he ascended to our Father. The Bible must agree with itself to be true.
He said I tell you today, you will be with me in paradise. Paradise being the future kingdom because the man asked to be remembered once Jesus had. That's the only way that statement can make sense and not contradict the rest of the accounts and prophecies.
(He said to Yeshua, “Lord, remember me when you come into your Kingdom.” Yeshua said to him, “Assuredly I tell you today, you will be with me in Paradise.”
Luke 23:42-43 ) the man asks for salvation after demonstrated his devotion by defending Christ, and Christ agreed to remember him once he came into his kingdom.
It's very clear. His Kingdom is paradise and that man will be there when we are all called there.
@@Thislivinghope you need to understand the full chapter to make sense of that statement. It's a phrase that isn't present in our culture today.
Being born from above is the same idea as the modern idea of being reborn in the spirit. Jesus emphasizes this in the following statement "Yeshua answered, “Most certainly I tell you, unless one is born of water and Spirit, he can’t enter into God’s Kingdom. That which is born of the flesh is flesh. That which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Don’t marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born anew.’
Yochanan 3:5-7 "
He makes it clear what he's saying by saying you must be born again I'm water and spirit. When you accepted Jesus and devoted yourself to him and recieved the Holy Spirit in baptism (though that's not the only way it was received in that time) you were reborn "from above."
Most translations make this clear by converting the old phrase to something that makes more literal sense.
If it were something impossible for us then he wouldn't tell him he must be reborn. It's stated that way because it's the path that must be taken and is the path for us.
Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you but your interpretation so far seems contradictory and difficult make sense of.
@@Thislivinghope so Jesus can't give the Holy Spirit then is your point? He certainly can. A ritual isn't what gives the Spirit, baptism is a demonstration and the Spirit is given commonly at baptism but God can give the Spirit to anyone at any time at the Father's will through Christ as in Acts (While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell on all those who heard the word. They of the circumcision who believed were amazed, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit was also poured out on the Gentiles.
Acts 10:44-45 )
You appear to be trying to confine God to rituals and He clearly is unbound by them.
@@Thislivinghope again he asked to be remembered and Jesus agreed. You're "lawyering" this very hard and trying to confine Christ to your understanding of how this is supposed to go. The man asked to be remembered WHEN Jesus came into his kingdom after demonstrating his faith and Jesus agreed. It doesn't really matter that it happened before his death because the man only asked to be remembered which means after Jesus came into his kingdom (after the resurrection) and that's what will happen. What's typical or common and what our lord is capable of are two different things. We cant confine Christ or the Father to our understanding they set the standards and they created the rituals and the path. If they choose to say "you are an exception because this is an exceptional moment" it's their call and no man can say no.
Protestant heresy
So the Eastern Orthodox faith should be cursed? According to this heretic?
Well he has a point. But you probably don’t know any better because you lack biblical understanding. The gospel is the churches missions and truth. If you add to it or distort it then that should be called out. The Bible is clear that the doctrine of justification hinges on faith alone. James and Paul are dealing with different topics. Paul’s writings clearly teach faith alone and James writings describe the substance of that faith. We do good works because we are saved, not to get saved because Jesus has already done that good work. We are created in Christ Jesus for good works and that isn’t even if our own doing (Ephesians). Calling this man a heretic is laughable, he would mop the floor with your ideology and would do it with the scriptures alone. Just simply ask yourself what is the gospel and what is the reason for the hope that is in you? I would also add that debating from an orthodox position to a traditional reformed Christian position is going to hard pressed because categories will be different. If you want to understand better I’d recommend through western eyes, that’s a decent book from a reformed theologian.
28 Therefore they said to Him, “What should we do, so that we may work the works of God?” 29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent.” John 6:28-29
Galatians 5:6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith working through love.
Another false teacher
10 verses about salvation by faith alone:
Ephesians 2,8-9: For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Romans 11,6 (NLT): 6 And since it is through God’s kindness, then it is not by their good works. For in that case, God’s grace would not be what it really is-free and undeserved.
Acts 16,31 (ESV): 31 And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
Romans 3,28 (ESV): 28 For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law.
Romans 4,5 (ESV): 5 And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness,
Romans 5,1 (ESV): 5 Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Galatians 2,16 (ESV): 16 yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
Galatians 3,24 (ESV): 24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith.
Ephesians 1,13 (ESV): 13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,
Philippians 3,9 (ESV): and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith.
For all those who say Salvation is by Faith AND Works, I have one question:
What Works did the murderer on the cross perform?
*Mic Drop. Bam!"
Truly I tell you, Faith without works is dead. "If you ignore the cry's of the poor then God will ignore you in your time of need"
"blessed is the one who considers the poor" "He is healed of all sickness and infirmities" psalms
"Greed robs you of life"
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Pastor MacArthur always expose false teachings.
He exposes his own
This is my own personal formula in salvation: True Faith + {{True Love of True GOD + True Love of People=Means True Good Works to True GOD and People}} + True Hope = True Salvation by Grace of True GOD { Father + Son + Holy Spirit} in Judgement Day to Come
Calvinists, show me where Jesus says saved by grace through faith alone.
Thank you, Pastor MacArthur
I rebuke him in name of Father Son and holy Spirit
Good thing he didnt mention the oriental orthodox which not only believe grace through faith lest anyone should boast but also had the bible in all kinds of languages since 400AD. Luther should have just reunited with the oriental orthodox instead of splintering into 2000 denominations
According to television ministers the only sin that cannot and will not ever be forgiven is failure to support the church financially with all you have and more.
The Bible doesn’t say you’re justified by faith alone. Period.
The Bible says I’m justified by: faith, works, my words, the blood, by God, and a few other things.
"Faith without works is dead." The Epistle of James
"The Parable of the Sheep and the Goats." Jesus
"Asking whether faith or works is more important is akin to asking which blade on a pair of scissors is more important. Fact of the matter is neither one will work without the others."
And yes, we are saved by Grace and Grace alone. However, being a member of the family of God comes with a lot of responsibilities. Among those responsibilities is: good works, charity, scripture reading, etc., etc., etc....
The scriptures, the Prophets, the Apostles, and Christ make that point very clear.
If you do good, you'll be save not only by faith. But Jesus said, "I am the way & the truth, no one can come to Father without through Me." This mean, you'll safe only by His Grace through your faith.
James 2:24: "...faith without works is dead."
Romans 4:5 “And to the one who does no works, but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness.”
Yes, but firstly Paul spoke here of the covenant sign of the Israelites in the old covenant the circumcision and secondly in this passage it's nowhere written alone by faith we receive the salvation only his faith is counted as righteousness.
You should also read the verses 6 - 12 in the 4th chapter of Romans, especially verses 9 - 12. Then it's clear that Paul meant the circumcision with "work" in this verse. It's always the same with you Protestants. You take one single verse out of the context and misinterpret it because of this.
@@dismas6992 you say all Protestant are the same, which is just laughably wrong. And I’ve read those verses. Just because he talks about circumcising, doesn’t mean that’s all he meant by works, there is no evidence for that. He used circumcision as an example because it’s a big one. But what about Romans 3:28 “For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law” the reason he keeps mentioning circumcising is because that’s what many Jews were saying was required for salvation. But works of the law applies to works of the law. However, I think I need to revise something that gets lost during debates like this. Many Catholics and Orthodox believe that when Protestant say salvation by faith, we mean salvation by belief, and this isn’t true. At least for most Protestants it isn’t. Faith must be active to save. That why works is emphasized in James 2. The only real difference in our theology is that, Catholics hold works in equal value to faith. Considering works to be necessary for salvation. And we believe that faith is the only thing actually doing the saving. The reason that works, baptism, and participation on the sacraments “saves” is because of obedience to faith. Paul even says In 1 Corinthians that if you partake in holy communion without faith than the communion will become a curse to you, and not save you. So it’s not the works themselves that save, but the obedience to faith that saves. That’s still salvation by faith alone, just a more refined definition. Because if salvation wasn’t by faith alone, than the thief on the cross would not have been saved. And many Catholics will say “well Jesus Gave an exception!” But Romans 2:11 “For God shows no partiality”. The only way that the thief could obey his faith was through his declaration of faith. The same doesn’t apply to us who can do works and be baptized etc. But it’s does show how what is saving is not those works, but what the reason of that works is, faith.
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I really don't know what is so difficult to understand in James 2: 20 - 22 for example. It clearly says that NOT ONLY the faith of Abraham was doing the saving but ALSO the work together with the faith, in his case his readiness to sacrifice his only son if God had demanded it. Abrahams obedience COMPLETED the faith, without this the faith had been useless and incomplete it's clearly written. In the whole chapter 2 of the letters of James it's about the acts of charity, which contribute to the salvation. They are doing the salvation alongside with the faith, so it's not the faith alone doing the saving. And verse 24 and 26 summarize the whole chapter 2 with the sentences "You see that a person is justified BY WORKS AND NOT BY FAITH ALONE", verse 24 and "Far as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith APART FROM WORKS IS DEAD„, verse 26. It couldn't be expressed clearer.
And in 1 Corinthians 11: 20 - 29 the topic isn't whether we are saved by faith alone or not. It's about the real presence of Christ with his true flesh and true blood in the sacrament of the Holy Eucharistic. That derives of verses 27 and 29 where Paul wrote who eats and drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning THE BODY AND BLOOD of the LORD and in verse 29 who drinks and eats without DISCERNING THE BODY eats and drinks judgement on himself.
You can't be guilty of profaning Christ's FLESH AND BLOOD if it isn't present. Of course you have to receive the holy communion with faith but in the right faith the orthodox and catholic faith, THAT IT IS THE REAL PRESENCE OF CHRIST WITH HIS TRUE FLESH AND BLOOD OF CHRIST (see John 6: 48 - 58). Not like the Protestants who understand it only as a symbolic memorial ceremony of the Last Supper.
And why Protestants always try to justify Luther's "fait alone" doctrine with the thief on the cross? As I already said you can't ignore all other bible passages which contradict clearly this teaching. He can give us also as good as an example it's never too late to repent from sin and convert to the faith in Christ. We don't know when he found to the faith in Christ, it also can be just before he died.
Finally what has Romans 2: 11 to do with the topic of the discussion here?
Did you read also the verses 9 and 10?:
"9 There will be tribulation and distress for every human being who DOES EVIL, the JEW first and also the GREEK, 10 but glory and honor and peace for every one who DOES GOOD, the JEW first and also the GREEK."
So obviously Paul refers with the word "partiality" to the fact that God doesn't distinguish if the nationality is Jew or Greek he rewards respectively punishes both in the same manner. Begin to read the scripture in the context of the general statements and in the scripture context.
@@nerdtalk1789It’s clear from the context the “works” intended here are those of the Mosaic Law to which one is bound by circumcision. This whole section of Scripture is devoted to explaining why one doesn’t have to be a Jew to be saved. It doesn’t have anything to do with opposing faith in Christ with the works of faith in Christ, or “good works” as these are simply two sides of the same reality.
@@lornadoone8887 I’ve read the context and i always here Catholics a Orthodox trying to say it only regards circumcision. And it’s completely and blatantly false. Circumcision is mentioned and highlighted because it was seen as necessary by the Jewish people, but from Romans 2 all the way to Romans 4 it’s talking about all works, not just circumcision.
Yes, *justified* through faith and works. John needs to know the difference between how the Orthodox and Catholics define justified and saved. Salvation is by God's Grace alone. Justification, aka to be made righteous, is through faith and works. Biblically, they believe there is a massive difference.
As a former Catholic , I remember when the Lord saved me, and I wanted to read my Bible that I never found anything talking much about Mary. It was all about Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior Robinson. Amen. Hallelujah. Praise the Lord. And I stumbled across Colossians 218 about praying the angels are they will not enter the kingdom of heaven, then I read timothy when it talks about people doing extra things don’t thesis don’t do that you’re not married woman and it was earth shattering. Then I read that among born women, John the Baptist was the greatest, and it never mentioned Mary.
The Lord showed me that I was in the depths of sin and part of a cult that worshipped demons. Praise God for pulling me out of that pit of hell.
But God, being rich in Mercy, full of love and kindness, safe, and it was all by grace, not by work, so that I may never boast.
Where does bible say it must be in bible? It doesnt. Consider the possibility that you are wrong. Jesus started Catholic church.
I can explain why, if you truly have faith in god the works will follow, if you have faith but your actions do not reflect it then you do not truly have faith. It isn’t about the amount of good work or volunteer hours done but about the will to enact what god and Jesus tells us to do
It's the same as saying "I believe in Christ" and then going out and clubbing. We are justified by our faith in our works. I will not let myself fall into temptation and when I fail Christ covers the gap.
The bible is crystal clear that we are saved by FAITH ALONE, "It is not of yourselves, but is a gift of God, so that no man may BOAST". Works are a product of salvation not a element of salvation!!
Faith in Christ will come with good works. I agree with Macarthur. The fruit of the spirit will produce good works. Salvation is faith alone.
J Mac Your right salvation is by faith alone, the works come after salvation by the spirit, so faith without works means if there is no works, there must not be any faith, and without faith Your still dead in your sin