They were a better duo because Tatum got hurt. Jalen brown is way better than Caleb Martin. Shot out to Caleb Martin he should've won the finals MVP. DID u see he's numbers. Shooting over 60 percent on the field and shooting over 50 from the 3 averaging 17. Jimmy struggled also all he's games was not pretty. And Calib Martin stepped up every game.
Caleb was the most consistent player, but Jimmy was the most clutch player. Without Jimmy's series-saving moments and confident momentum, the Heat are not reaching this point of the Finals. Either way, these two were fantastic.
How was he more consistent...Butler averaged more points rebounds and assists than martin...and even still Butler is doubled when going to the hole martin isn't Butler is always gonna be the most keyed one player by the d which opens things up for martin...and also Butler does more or both sides of the ball not just be more "consistent" I swear y'all some casuals
Clutch is not making a shot at the end …while playing the entire last three games like trash. Clutch is being consistent ..like Caleb..the entire series. If that was the case…a bench player could come in and make two free throws to win the game…and he would deserve MVP, even though he did not play another minute? Stop the nonsense. Jimmy is overrated. He is not anywhere near what the MEDIA wants to portray him as. The NBA is FULL of inconsistent players…and he is one of them.
Caleb Martin played great but Butler definitely deserved it. Miami’s game is heavily impacted when Butler doesn’t play well. Jimmy has more of an affect on the game than Martin does. When Butler plays good, Miami wins.
He was not even CLOSE to the MVP. Sheep always go with the narrative they are fed. Caleb was far better than Jimmy. Jimmy disappeared for THREE games..and you say that is the MVP? Not even close. The debate question tells you that people KNOW Butler was not MVP. He is so overrated. Denver will destroy them.
People also thought Murray should've got it over Jokic... but it really doesn't matter. Having a Conf. Finals MVP is pointless only thing that matters is Finals MVP
Murray's situation is different, because he played amazing, 30ppg on 50-40-90 splits & first player to ever do that in a conference finals. I thought him & Jokic should've gotten co-MVP. In the Heat's case Martin averaged 19ppg & 6 rebs, whereas Jimmy averaged 25ppg, 7reb, & 6ast. Jimmy definitely deserved it. People be wanting to give role-players superstar treatment just for stepping up their game with no pressure. Martin put up good numbers for him being a role-player, but those still aren't star caliber numbers. Same reason I thought Stephen Curry got robbed in 2015 NBA Finals, they gave Iggy the FMVP just for upping his averages into the teens & guarding LeBron, while Curry was still averaging superstar numbers. A role-player stepping up his numbers into the teens is not really an MVP imo, that's just being an x-factor. With this mindset, imo they're messing up people's resume's & history, Curry should really be a 2-time FMVP.
Jimmy had struggles because the Boston Celtics tailored their defense to stop him. He finally got real help seeing as how Bam was a no show offensively. Not to mention Jimmy’s defense, also, if Derrick White don’t tip the ball in, we’re talking about Jimmy’s Game 6 4th quarter to bring them back. 🤷🏾♂️
Lmao i love how casual fans think Caleb Martin should be the mvp...Jimmy Butler probably didnt have better scoring efficiency, but the dude was diving into the paint creating shots, getting rebounds, and avg 2.6 steals...
Butler deserved it. Caleb played great & put up great numbers for a role player, but Butler's numbers were still better besides his FG%. This is the same reason I felt Stephen Curry still should've won the 2015 Finals MVP despite Iggy upping his play. People be wanting to give role players MVP's for just stepping up their game, while the stars are still averaging superstar caliber numbers. Them stepping up their game as a role-player is just called being a great x-factor, not actually an MVP. Off topic, but I don't even think they should give out Conference Finals MVPs, unless if they go back & give everyone else who deserved that trophy from back then. Because when people have comparison debates now, they're going to be like "So & So, has more Conference Finals MVPs than MJ & LeBron." Lol
@@remnant8898 Doing Conference Finals MVP & FMVP is a lot easier than that, because it's just basically whoever was the best player / best stats in a series.
Butler and Curry can’t be compared. Curry is far and away better than his teammates and better than Butler. He gets swarmed out there. They don’t chase Butler around like that. Butler is mostly just walking around, sometimes a light jog. The difference between him and Martin is not that much.
@@remnant8898 My point was, since the ECF/WCF MVP awards didn't exist back then, it's easier to go back & award those to whoever deserved them back then with one. Not too sure what you're talking about, or if you're confused about what I'm trying to say, but like I said, one day in the future a player will have end up having like 8 Conference Finals MVP's, & that's going to be used in the GOAT debates. For example, "This player has 8 Conference Finals MVPs and MJ has zero." That's why I said they should've never started this award to begin with or go back & award everyone who deserved one in the past with them.
I understand that award is probably based off the last game , but let’s be honest they wouldn’t have got there if it wasn’t for Butler. I can also bet Jimmy gave the whole team confidence and Caleb could’ve fed off Jimmy energy.
I remembered how almost every analyst cried when people made the case that Andrew Wiggins should have been the finals MVP over Steph. Obviously that should have not be the case, but look how they are making this case when it doesn’t have to do with their favorite Player😂
I see what you are saying but Butler was nowhere near as dominant as Curry was. The argument could be made for Martin over Butler way easier than Wigs over Curry
currys was grandfathered in. he was gonna get no matter what but if the same exact play from them 2 happened this yr in the finals they wouldve given it to Wiggs. real ball watchers love a guy who play on both ends
As a Celtics fan, I really appreciate this comment. Superstars like Jimmy Butler and Jayson Tatum will never be dominant stylistically like Embid, Giannis, Jokic etc. However, they can be dominant by winning. When it comes to to winning, Jimmy gets it done on both ends. If not with points, blocks and steals, with his presence and impact. He is a very consistent player and I wish Tatum could be consistent like him. You can’t go full quarters in games without an impact and because you got 30 that you had a great game. A good game maybe but not great. Tatum being 5-2 in game 7s and having the highest scoring game 7 is a losing stat to me. He’s my favourite player but all that means to me is that you lost 21 games in 7 playoff series. That doesn’t sound like winning to me. I hope he doesn’t let those stats fool him.
JJ is right about Jimmy Butler having more responsibilities than Caleb. Caleb Martin was great and so fun to watch but Jimmy Butler demanded so much attention from the defense that players like Caleb were able to benefit from the spacing Jimmy causes.
Caleb played remarkably great but Jimmy is highly Impacting the course of the game making his teammates a lot better. He is the core of Miami's offense as well as frontrunner of the defensive end. It all depends on Jimmy's performance weather they win or lose. Jimmy truly deserves that award.
He is not impacting ANYTHING but three losses in a row for not showing up. He did it again, tonight. 13 points…lol. Yeah, that is a ‘great’ player. Dude is average. Kobe would have scored 30. So would have Jordan. So would have ANY of the true greats.
This feels like how the Orlando Magic with Shaq and Penny went to the finals being influenced by the media on who was the number one man. Hope that doesnt repeat now
@@truthhurts79 if more points won u mvp then Lebron would have been mvp in 2015 he lead every team in every statistical category you could have Steph curry scored more then iggy but iggy still won u sound dumb talking about he scored more Martin average 20 on 60 percent shooting 49 from 3 and played hella Defense again Martin the mvp PERIOD.!!!
@@deionwashington8694 points is essential talent to WIN period!! It's impossible to WIN without it... If you think martin would of got the heat to the championship without butler on the team you bumped your head pretty hard
@@deionwashington8694just one game only but Jimmy is doing it in against Bucks to Against Knicks and in 4 Games Against Celtics and all that Winning Games Series Butler literally suprass Martin in all stats and you still think Martin is the most Deserving to win the ECF Finals MVP Boy that award is Awarded to the Best Player of the Entire Eastern Conference Play-offs not to the One or thrice Games Best Player if you want a Player only Good in Finals 7 Games to Win the Finals MVP then Wait for whoever Win the NBA Finals because the Best Player for the Winning Team in the 7 Games in Finals are the One Awarded the Finals MVP in the NBA Finals 7 Games .
Stephen A is a prisoner of the moment. Take Butler off the Heat for the playoffs, what would Miami achieve with Caleb? Caleb played very well but Jimmy’s presence on the court gives Caleb the opportunity to play that way.🤷🏽♀️
you are a prisoner of the moment as well, take martin off the heat for the playoffs they dont beat the celtics. The only reason the heat are in these games is cause martin is efficient and scoring, butler if he doesnt get the foul calls and shoots free throws he loses so many points. martin is scoring just under with very little free throw attempts.
@@skylar7649 Jimmy does way more than score the basketball. Did you forget his 6 steals in one game. His rebounding and assists which he leads all 3 in the series. Lmaoo plus Jimmy gets all the attention so that everyone especially Caleb gets open looks. He’s the playmaker. And even when he plays bad he’s still out scoring Caleb. Efficiency difference does not matter in this case.
Why the disrespect? Jimmy deserved it. Caleb was worthy of the attention and he got some votes to show for that. Its for the series. Not timely moments. He was efficient, but Jimmy outscored him. He now one would ask, well Jimmy has the ball in his hands all the time. Well, I wonder why? Caleb is currently on catch and shoot role. Jimmy draws most of the attention and delivered. Without Jimmy they ain't going anywhere. Y'all most have forgotten those 1st 3 games when Jimmy went H. A. M. on Boston. It was a 7 game series. Jimmy outscored, outassisted, outrebounded, outhusstled, Caleb. Let that man enjoy his trophy without the insinuated insults.
Butler had an up and down series…..Caleb showed more consistency and was the best offensive player. On top of that people forget Caleb was responsible mainly for guarding Tatum which is a tough task while almost averaging a double double in the series. Jimmy was clutch yes and I’m a huge Butler fan but he did get rattled a bit in the series especially with Boston and their size. No one on the Celtics had an answer for Caleb.
People are too obsessed with stats. The star is the engine of the team so it takes a role player having a truly transcendent game. They can't just 'play their role very well' unless the star somehow won while still absolutely crapping the bed.
I think JB really got the award because of his legendary performance over the entire 3 series leading up to the EC chip.. no way they would have been anywhere close to the CF without JB going besstmode so that was their way of rewarding him
I'm on JJ on this..also Jimmy did everything than just caleb being efficient on scoring. Jimmy did playmaking, defense ( he average almost 3 steals in the series ) had more assist and rebounds and being a leader that he is. And mind you that the NAME "Most VALUABLE Player" means . who is more valuable in the series? Caleb or Jimmy? and being the role player that caleb is there's always another guy who will step up like he did and it's because of the Heat's Identity and System..but Jimmy is Jimmy he will always be the Heart and the MOST "VALUABLE guy on the team.
Steven A didn't say Murray should have won the Finals MVP when he led the Denver Nuggets in scoring with over 32 points,Murray shot over 52 percent and over 40 percent from the three point line😳😲😯😟🥺😢😭
As a Miami fan I’ll say the Miami wire should not have a vote in that MVP award. Jimmy gets a bunch a credit because they go to him at the end no matter how he’s playing. Martin was more of a factor in the series and the most consistent. Raising your play in the big moment is what an MVP means, not the face of the team.
Once again all ESPN can quantify is scoring. Jimmy Butler led the team in points, assists, steals, and offensive rebounds. He did everything for them. Caleb definitely shot the ball better than Jimmy, but that's the sign of a great player. Butler only shot 42 percent from the field but he averaged almost 3 steals per game, rebounded the ball with second most overall rebounds and most offensive rebounds. He led the team in assists. He got to the free throw line to still lead the team in scoring. He found other ways to get it done and that's the mark of a great player.
It is surprising to see commentators say that Martin should have gotten the MVP. The majority of voters saw what I saw. It isn't even a statistical thing, except maybe Martin was more efficient. But that's only because stopping Butler was the main focus of the Celtics defense. Let's build a team around Martin and see how that goes.
I hate this argument. Same with Iguodala. Take Iguodala/Martin out of the team, they might lose. They win a game, or two but their chances of loosing grow exponentially. Take Curry/Butler of that team, and it's sweep, 0:4 and it's by 20 every game. Caleb leads in shooting splits/TS%, and trails in every other stats. Butler still had the ball at the end of games and his play is what gave him 3 wins. Stop with that bs. But it's the media so go with this story because it's more controversial. Same as it did back with Iggy.
You can’t break up two All-NBA wings at age 25 and 26 entering their primes. This duo has already been to 4 conference finals (18, 20, 22, 23) and Brown has been to 5 cause Boston was in the conference finals in 2017 his rookie season. These guys are just now entering their 7-8 year prime. This is the healthy and young version of Kawhi and Paul George. It’s like 2019 Kawhi and 2014 Paul George were both 25 years old and didn’t have injury problems. They could easily win 2-3 titles in the next 7-8 years.
@@YungJay216 you probably right but if they make a trade what makes you think they make many conferences finals if they stop making the conference finals that’s more of an L
Sports awards, and NBA awards specifically, are often granted as legacy trophies instead of rewarding the true winner. It's annoying. Rodman should have been the '96 Finals MVP.
Don’t forget about the first three wins. The avg stats say completely otherwise. Not to mention jimmy was the focus of Celtics defense. When jimmy played bad they lost. He played good they won
jimmy affected the game in more ways than caleb but the lows with jimmy were a lot lower than caleb in this series..i think jimmy deserved it but caleb's ridiculous efficiency and his consistency makes a good argument for him to win but not quite good enough to eclipse jimmy's overall impact and play this series
Jimmy give his guys the motivation to play free, he doesn't even want to take the most shots in a game. That's what makes him a mvp of the ECF. Shout out to K.Martin but without Jimmy none of this is possible.
Caleb played great and stepped up big time as a second option but he ain’t the ECFMVP. You don’t get the award for being the second best player on the winning team.
Butler: 25/8/6 Martin: 19/6/2 Seriously why is this a debate? Martin played great and the Heat don't win without him but Jimmy is by far their most important and best player and its not even remotely close.
@@joker321boom So Malcolm Brogdon should have been All-NBA first team instead of Tatum? He shot better from the floor and three. Who cares if he averaged fewer points, rebounds, assists and steals and had a smaller role on offense, right? Butler generated 40+ points per game and had a 30% usage. Martin had an 18% usage rate and generated a little over *half* that many. Just because a fourth grader gets an A+ in math doesn’t mean they know more than a college freshman who gets a B. The scale of the work matters.
Give Caleb Martin his flowers, he showed up and did his work. But come on guys, Jimmy Butler has a knack for timely buckets. Just as soon as the Celtics think they can claw back, Jimmy does some wild sh*t like hit a three when you least expect it, or pull up a post fadeaway for 2. I've never been a Jimmy fan, but watched a lot of the Heat games this post season and he's a big reason why they beat the Celtics.
If you’re talking about that last game against Boston, then yeah, Caleb Martin deserves it. But if we talking about the series, this is not even a discussion. Stephen A just trying to have a viral moment man. If you really watch the games and look at the stats, you will never say anything like that. Jimmy deserves it and he has been the best player in the east this whole post season
I completely disagree with JJ, the best player shouldn’t just be gifted the MVP. Martin clearly should’ve won the MVP. There is a reason finals MVPs matter, if the best player just got it every time it would be meaningless. The player who performs the best overall in the series deserves it.
@@foundationsyth9825 They don't go off the first 2 series. @Yahmani Price explained it to you exactly what they go off of, Butler's numbers in the ECF were the better numbers. Caleb did great for a role-player, but you can't reward players with an MVP award for just being a great x-factor. Lol
@@charleslavoie5402 Jimmy had 28 points, 6 asts and 2 steals in game 7. He won game 1 and 2 by himself basically, so yes Caleb Martin performed very well in game 7. But this is not a game 7 award it’s the whole series. That’s like saying Kyrie deserved the Finals MVP over Bron just cause he hit the game winning 3. Kyrie was phenomenal and very clutch but didn’t play better than lebron.
People have really short memories, the Heat were up 3 games to 0 because of Butlers play. When Jimmy had three bad games those are the ones the Celtics won. Game 7 Jimmy plays well again they win. Isnt that what an MVP mean.
In the end, the Eastern Conference is never reliable! The Denver Nuggets finish first in the West and are now in the NBA Finals. The Heat made it, but so much had to play out in their favor.
Jimmy Buttler destroys the Bucks then heads down to NYC and beat them up good with a Sore ankle. Then game 1 vs Celtics gets 35-5-7, game 2) 27-8-6 Sends Grant Williams to the bench, game 3) 16-8-6 not that great but nearly a triple-double, game 4) 29-9-5, game 5) didn't play that great but had nearly a triple-double again, game 6) gives you 24-11-8 and Martin played well had 21-15 RB and game 7 Jimmy had 28-7-6. So how on earth does Caleb Martin even get one vote away from winning the conference's finals MVP?? It is so absurd it blows my mind away. Jimmy absolutely played way better than Caleb Martin mind you Caleb played well here and there and was probably the 2nd best player after Jimmy. And even some of the shots that he took were because of Jimmy's assists. Stephen A and all the other voters done lost their minds, JJ should've called them out when he had his chance but probably didn't want drama to fold in.
Butler deserved the MVP. He was the leader and best player on the court in the first 3 games and he was the best player in game 7. When Martin carried them they lost those games but he deserves credit. He’s a great player.
Nah. The advanced stats over 7 games clearly show Butler deserved the MVP. He ended up with a 20.9 GameScore to Caleb's 16.4. Jayson Tatum had a 19.7. Jokic 27.8, Murray 27.4. Close, but Lakers tried to stop Jokic, thus opening up Jamal.
Without Jimmy on the floor is Caleb still gonna ball? Without Caleb on the floor is Jimmy gonna ball? I think it's pretty obvious but I'm happy for Caleb getting the attention he deserves. You say he deserved it more? I say, you're wrong but go off King. 👑 😂
The media is really messed up pushing the narrative that Jimmy didn't deserve the MVP trophy and trying to pit teammates together. They did the same to Steph and Andrew Wiggins last season. The MVP award is as A WHOLE getting to the Finals, NOT JUST ONE SERIES. It's so disrespectful how forgetful people can be after a few bad games when it was his fight and drive that willed his team to win in the first place. Same as Steph, they are TRUE LEADERS and performers. Yes, they have bad games, but overall package they are the TRUE MVP'S period. Stop the weak narratives.
I would love to keep Jaylen Brown but he is not worth the supermax and I doubt he would take less than the supermax. I also don't think he is particularly close to Boston. He definitely wants to be involved in social activism (nothing wrong with that at all) but Boston fans traditionally do not view that particularly favorably. I forsee a sign-and-trade, hopefully for an elite point guard.
Bottom line Jimmy and Caleb were a better duo than Tatum and Brown
Facts
You can't get them to admitt that
Tatum led Jimmy and Caleb in ppg, rpg, assists per game but sure
@@MerkinMuffly Tatum shot horrible and in this series and so do brown
They were a better duo because Tatum got hurt. Jalen brown is way better than Caleb Martin. Shot out to Caleb Martin he should've won the finals MVP. DID u see he's numbers. Shooting over 60 percent on the field and shooting over 50 from the 3 averaging 17. Jimmy struggled also all he's games was not pretty. And Calib Martin stepped up every game.
Caleb was the most consistent player, but Jimmy was the most clutch player.
Without Jimmy's series-saving moments and confident momentum, the Heat are not reaching this point of the Finals.
Either way, these two were fantastic.
How was he more consistent...Butler averaged more points rebounds and assists than martin...and even still Butler is doubled when going to the hole martin isn't Butler is always gonna be the most keyed one player by the d which opens things up for martin...and also Butler does more or both sides of the ball not just be more "consistent" I swear y'all some casuals
@@ChristianStokes-qp9zf
Who’s performance was more pivotal in this win or go home game? No soliloquy needed, I just have that one question
Clutch is not making a shot at the end …while playing the entire last three games like trash. Clutch is being consistent ..like Caleb..the entire series. If that was the case…a bench player could come in and make two free throws to win the game…and he would deserve MVP, even though he did not play another minute? Stop the nonsense. Jimmy is overrated. He is not anywhere near what the MEDIA wants to portray him as. The NBA is FULL of inconsistent players…and he is one of them.
@@Black____ Yeah but it's not an MVP for game 7, it's an MVP for the whole series
Caleb Martin played great but Butler definitely deserved it. Miami’s game is heavily impacted when Butler doesn’t play well. Jimmy has more of an affect on the game than Martin does. When Butler plays good, Miami wins.
Miami blew out the Celtics GM 3 without butler or Adebayo playing well
Facts!
@@Kingnews256 But their presence made the win possible.
@@Kingnews256 true.. he didn’t score his average in points but he did lead the team in rebounds and assists that game.
He was not even CLOSE to the MVP. Sheep always go with the narrative they are fed. Caleb was far better than Jimmy. Jimmy disappeared for THREE games..and you say that is the MVP? Not even close. The debate question tells you that people KNOW Butler was not MVP. He is so overrated. Denver will destroy them.
People also thought Murray should've got it over Jokic... but it really doesn't matter. Having a Conf. Finals MVP is pointless only thing that matters is Finals MVP
Who thought that jokic deserved it no question
nah this one is different. Butler been trash in this series compared to Martin.
@@MrGenexxx trash in terms of numbers but not on his impact especially in clutch moments
@@MrGenexxx butler averaged more pts, rebounds and assists than martin
Murray's situation is different, because he played amazing, 30ppg on 50-40-90 splits & first player to ever do that in a conference finals. I thought him & Jokic should've gotten co-MVP. In the Heat's case Martin averaged 19ppg & 6 rebs, whereas Jimmy averaged 25ppg, 7reb, & 6ast. Jimmy definitely deserved it. People be wanting to give role-players superstar treatment just for stepping up their game with no pressure. Martin put up good numbers for him being a role-player, but those still aren't star caliber numbers. Same reason I thought Stephen Curry got robbed in 2015 NBA Finals, they gave Iggy the FMVP just for upping his averages into the teens & guarding LeBron, while Curry was still averaging superstar numbers. A role-player stepping up his numbers into the teens is not really an MVP imo, that's just being an x-factor. With this mindset, imo they're messing up people's resume's & history, Curry should really be a 2-time FMVP.
JJ Redick spot on about understanding “roles” especially regarding shot creation for others.
Jimmy had struggles because the Boston Celtics tailored their defense to stop him. He finally got real help seeing as how Bam was a no show offensively. Not to mention Jimmy’s defense, also, if Derrick White don’t tip the ball in, we’re talking about Jimmy’s Game 6 4th quarter to bring them back. 🤷🏾♂️
Lmao i love how casual fans think Caleb Martin should be the mvp...Jimmy Butler probably didnt have better scoring efficiency, but the dude was diving into the paint creating shots, getting rebounds, and avg 2.6 steals...
We also think max was the mvp of first take and not Stephen a smith
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Not really
Facts
No.
It's not based on expectations it's based on performance
Caleb showed up in the games Jimmy had less that 20 as well
Jimmy had better stats across the board.
@@Tyler_Evans0411jimmy got better stats in this series.
Caleb is not expected. Thats why they are all amazed
@@petelcguitar I love Jimmy and I wanted him to win the mvp. That’s just the point that I’ve heard and it made sense to me. Either way he a dawg
@@Tyler_Evans0411 Caleb also didn’t play as good of defense as Butler
Butler deserved it. Caleb played great & put up great numbers for a role player, but Butler's numbers were still better besides his FG%. This is the same reason I felt Stephen Curry still should've won the 2015 Finals MVP despite Iggy upping his play. People be wanting to give role players MVP's for just stepping up their game, while the stars are still averaging superstar caliber numbers. Them stepping up their game as a role-player is just called being a great x-factor, not actually an MVP. Off topic, but I don't even think they should give out Conference Finals MVPs, unless if they go back & give everyone else who deserved that trophy from back then. Because when people have comparison debates now, they're going to be like "So & So, has more Conference Finals MVPs than MJ & LeBron." Lol
Then they would need to do that for FMVP, DPOY, All NBA defensive team, Blocks and steals as well.
@@remnant8898 Doing Conference Finals MVP & FMVP is a lot easier than that, because it's just basically whoever was the best player / best stats in a series.
Butler and Curry can’t be compared. Curry is far and away better than his teammates and better than Butler. He gets swarmed out there. They don’t chase Butler around like that. Butler is mostly just walking around, sometimes a light jog. The difference between him and Martin is not that much.
@@lazzi2462 its not about what's easier, its about being consistent.
@@remnant8898 My point was, since the ECF/WCF MVP awards didn't exist back then, it's easier to go back & award those to whoever deserved them back then with one. Not too sure what you're talking about, or if you're confused about what I'm trying to say, but like I said, one day in the future a player will have end up having like 8 Conference Finals MVP's, & that's going to be used in the GOAT debates. For example, "This player has 8 Conference Finals MVPs and MJ has zero." That's why I said they should've never started this award to begin with or go back & award everyone who deserved one in the past with them.
I understand that award is probably based off the last game , but let’s be honest they wouldn’t have got there if it wasn’t for Butler. I can also bet Jimmy gave the whole team confidence and Caleb could’ve fed off Jimmy energy.
I remembered how almost every analyst cried when people made the case that Andrew Wiggins should have been the finals MVP over Steph. Obviously that should have not be the case, but look how they are making this case when it doesn’t have to do with their favorite Player😂
Dude cool off. It's not the same!
I see what you are saying but Butler was nowhere near as dominant as Curry was. The argument could be made for Martin over Butler way easier than Wigs over Curry
currys was grandfathered in. he was gonna get no matter what but if the same exact play from them 2 happened this yr in the finals they wouldve given it to Wiggs. real ball watchers love a guy who play on both ends
@@LuckyJackson2020lmao what
@@RIPJimmyA7Xnot really
Jimmy Butler is the best 2 way player in the NBA right now his elite defense and electric offense is next level stuff, amazing to watch him play 🔐💯
MJ's son
As a Celtics fan, I really appreciate this comment. Superstars like Jimmy Butler and Jayson Tatum will never be dominant stylistically like Embid, Giannis, Jokic etc. However, they can be dominant by winning. When it comes to to winning, Jimmy gets it done on both ends. If not with points, blocks and steals, with his presence and impact. He is a very consistent player and I wish Tatum could be consistent like him. You can’t go full quarters in games without an impact and because you got 30 that you had a great game. A good game maybe but not great. Tatum being 5-2 in game 7s and having the highest scoring game 7 is a losing stat to me. He’s my favourite player but all that means to me is that you lost 21 games in 7 playoff series. That doesn’t sound like winning to me. I hope he doesn’t let those stats fool him.
No he isn't
Lol Did Giannis die or somethin lol
How many times you going to copy and paste this lol
JJ is right about Jimmy Butler having more responsibilities than Caleb. Caleb Martin was great and so fun to watch but Jimmy Butler demanded so much attention from the defense that players like Caleb were able to benefit from the spacing Jimmy causes.
Caleb played remarkably great but Jimmy is highly Impacting the course of the game making his teammates a lot better. He is the core of Miami's offense as well as frontrunner of the defensive end. It all depends on Jimmy's performance weather they win or lose. Jimmy truly deserves that award.
He is not impacting ANYTHING but three losses in a row for not showing up. He did it again, tonight. 13 points…lol. Yeah, that is a ‘great’ player. Dude is average. Kobe would have scored 30. So would have Jordan. So would have ANY of the true greats.
Caleb don’t care neither does Butler. They got through, they don’t care about individual awards
Last Night, Martin was the MVP! The overall series and for the overall playoffs, Butler hands down!
This feels like how the Orlando Magic with Shaq and Penny went to the finals being influenced by the media on who was the number one man. Hope that doesnt repeat now
I thought the trophy was based on all 7 games if so jimmy deserves I’d say
Jimmy Butler MVP Period . Offense & Defense 💪
Martin did the exact same thing game 6 they took jimmy off Tatum in the second half and put Martin on him and he shut him down
@@deionwashington8694 jimmy scored more points so what are you saying???
@@truthhurts79 if more points won u mvp then Lebron would have been mvp in 2015 he lead every team in every statistical category you could have Steph curry scored more then iggy but iggy still won u sound dumb talking about he scored more Martin average 20 on 60 percent shooting 49 from 3 and played hella Defense again Martin the mvp PERIOD.!!!
@@deionwashington8694 points is essential talent to WIN period!! It's impossible to WIN without it... If you think martin would of got the heat to the championship without butler on the team you bumped your head pretty hard
@@deionwashington8694just one game only but Jimmy is doing it in against Bucks to Against Knicks and in 4 Games Against Celtics and all that Winning Games Series Butler literally suprass Martin in all stats and you still think Martin is the most Deserving to win the ECF Finals MVP Boy that award is Awarded to the Best Player of the Entire Eastern Conference Play-offs not to the One or thrice Games Best Player if you want a Player only Good in Finals 7 Games to Win the Finals MVP then Wait for whoever Win the NBA Finals because the Best Player for the Winning Team in the 7 Games in Finals are the One Awarded the Finals MVP in the NBA Finals 7 Games .
Stephen A is a prisoner of the moment. Take Butler off the Heat for the playoffs, what would Miami achieve with Caleb? Caleb played very well but Jimmy’s presence on the court gives Caleb the opportunity to play that way.🤷🏽♀️
you are a prisoner of the moment as well, take martin off the heat for the playoffs they dont beat the celtics.
The only reason the heat are in these games is cause martin is efficient and scoring, butler if he doesnt get the foul calls and shoots free throws he loses so many points.
martin is scoring just under with very little free throw attempts.
@@skylar7649 Jimmy does way more than score the basketball. Did you forget his 6 steals in one game. His rebounding and assists which he leads all 3 in the series. Lmaoo plus Jimmy gets all the attention so that everyone especially Caleb gets open looks. He’s the playmaker.
And even when he plays bad he’s still out scoring Caleb. Efficiency difference does not matter in this case.
I thought Jimmy Butler was playing with no one? Interesting!!
JJ is always grounded in his takes... Its time to admit that best analysts will always be former NBA players
Tbh I don’t really care, I’m just glad we made the finals and have a shot to win it all
The stats don’t lie
JB: 24.7 pts 7.6 rbs & 6.1 assists
CM: 19.3 pts 6.4 rbs & 1.6 assists
IN OTHER WORDS ITS NOT CLOSE
U left out the Effeciency thats the Drastic difference.
Why the disrespect? Jimmy deserved it. Caleb was worthy of the attention and he got some votes to show for that.
Its for the series. Not timely moments. He was efficient, but Jimmy outscored him. He now one would ask, well Jimmy has the ball in his hands all the time. Well, I wonder why?
Caleb is currently on catch and shoot role. Jimmy draws most of the attention and delivered. Without Jimmy they ain't going anywhere.
Y'all most have forgotten those 1st 3 games when Jimmy went H. A. M. on Boston.
It was a 7 game series. Jimmy outscored, outassisted, outrebounded, outhusstled, Caleb.
Let that man enjoy his trophy without the insinuated insults.
It brings in the veiws and drives conversation. They seem to forget that jimmy was getting doubled which leaves caleb open for his insane shots. 🤷♂️
Does jimmy get mvp if they lose?
@@charleslavoie5402 do they win if Jimmy didn't ball out games 1 thru 3?
They lost all the games Jimmy didn't ball out.
He's right
I don’t think the players care, the ship is all that matters.
they know they gonna get smoked by Denver so it does matter.
Paying Jaylen brown 5/300 is beyond stupid.
that's facts
That’s just how the money is what y’all gon give trae young 250mill? 😂
Letting an all nba asset walk is even more stupid. They don’t really have a choice.
Butler had an up and down series…..Caleb showed more consistency and was the best offensive player. On top of that people forget Caleb was responsible mainly for guarding Tatum which is a tough task while almost averaging a double double in the series. Jimmy was clutch yes and I’m a huge Butler fan but he did get rattled a bit in the series especially with Boston and their size. No one on the Celtics had an answer for Caleb.
The jet lag in this Finals matchup will be crazy. Mile High Denver to South Beach Florida.
Caleb about to get paid.He’s a good defender & a smart player.HighSmith needs more minutes.
People are too obsessed with stats. The star is the engine of the team so it takes a role player having a truly transcendent game. They can't just 'play their role very well' unless the star somehow won while still absolutely crapping the bed.
I think JB really got the award because of his legendary performance over the entire 3 series leading up to the EC chip.. no way they would have been anywhere close to the CF without JB going besstmode so that was their way of rewarding him
Yes, because we all know Caleb was the gravity for Celtics defense...
I agree with SAS, Caleb Martin deserved the MVP.
What the NBA should do is create a “playoffs MVP” award.
I'm on JJ on this..also Jimmy did everything than just caleb being efficient on scoring. Jimmy did playmaking, defense ( he average almost 3 steals in the series ) had more assist and rebounds and being a leader that he is. And mind you that the NAME "Most VALUABLE Player" means . who is more valuable in the series? Caleb or Jimmy? and being the role player that caleb is there's always another guy who will step up like he did and it's because of the Heat's Identity and System..but Jimmy is Jimmy he will always be the Heart and the MOST "VALUABLE guy on the team.
Jimmy had more points, assists, rebounds, steals... man everything. Caleb played very good but he ain't outdo jimmy
Steven A didn't say Murray should have won the Finals MVP when he led the Denver Nuggets in scoring with over 32 points,Murray shot over 52 percent and over 40 percent from the three point line😳😲😯😟🥺😢😭
As a Miami fan I’ll say the Miami wire should not have a vote in that MVP award. Jimmy gets a bunch a credit because they go to him at the end no matter how he’s playing. Martin was more of a factor in the series and the most consistent. Raising your play in the big moment is what an MVP means, not the face of the team.
True. Consistency wins it for Martin. But happy for Jimmy and hopefully he wins his first chip.
Caleb deserves it more
'I'm nobody's Robin " 🤣
One Word To Stephen A.
CLUTCH
Vincent Martin Robinson and Strauss opened things up for Bam and Jimmy. With out there shooting they don’t have their success.
Once again all ESPN can quantify is scoring. Jimmy Butler led the team in points, assists, steals, and offensive rebounds. He did everything for them. Caleb definitely shot the ball better than Jimmy, but that's the sign of a great player. Butler only shot 42 percent from the field but he averaged almost 3 steals per game, rebounded the ball with second most overall rebounds and most offensive rebounds. He led the team in assists. He got to the free throw line to still lead the team in scoring. He found other ways to get it done and that's the mark of a great player.
I think when two teammates perform at high levels on the winning team and their stats are comparable, then the league should give out co-mvp awards
Stars are hurt or play poorly & experts + haters blame the coach.
Brilliant!
Caleb Martin should have won the award, but Butler got it because of reputation. Martin was consistent the entire series and was more efficient.
It is surprising to see commentators say that Martin should have gotten the MVP. The majority of voters saw what I saw. It isn't even a statistical thing, except maybe Martin was more efficient. But that's only because stopping Butler was the main focus of the Celtics defense. Let's build a team around Martin and see how that goes.
Caleb was clutch but jimmy all around from the start of the play-in has been ballin
I hate this argument. Same with Iguodala. Take Iguodala/Martin out of the team, they might lose. They win a game, or two but their chances of loosing grow exponentially. Take Curry/Butler of that team, and it's sweep, 0:4 and it's by 20 every game. Caleb leads in shooting splits/TS%, and trails in every other stats. Butler still had the ball at the end of games and his play is what gave him 3 wins. Stop with that bs. But it's the media so go with this story because it's more controversial. Same as it did back with Iggy.
You can’t break up two All-NBA wings at age 25 and 26 entering their primes. This duo has already been to 4 conference finals (18, 20, 22, 23) and Brown has been to 5 cause Boston was in the conference finals in 2017 his rookie season. These guys are just now entering their 7-8 year prime. This is the healthy and young version of Kawhi and Paul George. It’s like 2019 Kawhi and 2014 Paul George were both 25 years old and didn’t have injury problems. They could easily win 2-3 titles in the next 7-8 years.
Don’t care if they made it to the next 7 conference finals and NBA finals, if they’re not winning it means absolutely nothing.
Even Pandemic Playoff Peepee did better than this Jaylen Brown the whole playoffs.
Jayson and Jaylen won’t win 2-3 titles, there not that good.. they’ll be lucky if they win 1
@@YungJay216 you probably right but if they make a trade what makes you think they make many conferences finals if they stop making the conference finals that’s more of an L
Sports awards, and NBA awards specifically, are often granted as legacy trophies instead of rewarding the true winner. It's annoying. Rodman should have been the '96 Finals MVP.
Way too much emphasis on what the Celtics, Knicks and Bucks did wrong. Not nearly enough about what the Heat did right.
Martin definitely deserved that award if it’s for this series!
Don’t forget about the first three wins. The avg stats say completely otherwise. Not to mention jimmy was the focus of Celtics defense. When jimmy played bad they lost. He played good they won
Omar Khanani. The best athletic trainer in the NBA. Trainer for Martin twins. Give Omar credit
jimmy affected the game in more ways than caleb but the lows with jimmy were a lot lower than caleb in this series..i think jimmy deserved it but caleb's ridiculous efficiency and his consistency makes a good argument for him to win but not quite good enough to eclipse jimmy's overall impact and play this series
SAS the only person I’ve heard pushing that narrative about JB wanting to leave
Slow news day? Is this even a question?
Right on Caleb Martin definitely deserved it over jimmy cause they lose point blank without him
Poole and Andrew Wiggins for jaylen would fire for both Celtics and warriors
Having two guys formerly $300mill and they can’t get the job done is ridiculous ! They should of only paid if they win, I’d trade brown
Brown for Murray or Lilliard
@@mannydaprofit2869 neither of those dudes want to leave their respective situations
Martin should be the MVP period
This should be the team for first take all the time.
It's a new award, so I think they'll start out giving it to the stars.
Jimmy give his guys the motivation to play free, he doesn't even want to take the most shots in a game. That's what makes him a mvp of the ECF. Shout out to K.Martin but without Jimmy none of this is possible.
Caleb played great and stepped up big time as a second option but he ain’t the ECFMVP. You don’t get the award for being the second best player on the winning team.
Nope. Go look at games 1 through 7 and check the stats. Butler deserved that MVP. Even his presence on the floor altered the Celtics' defensive plans.
The G League players scored all the points in the scrimmage bro! 🤯
Batman analogy was spot on.
Butler: 25/8/6
Martin: 19/6/2
Seriously why is this a debate? Martin played great and the Heat don't win without him but Jimmy is by far their most important and best player and its not even remotely close.
Because he shot 60 percent and 48 percent from 3
@@joker321boom So Malcolm Brogdon should have been All-NBA first team instead of Tatum? He shot better from the floor and three. Who cares if he averaged fewer points, rebounds, assists and steals and had a smaller role on offense, right?
Butler generated 40+ points per game and had a 30% usage. Martin had an 18% usage rate and generated a little over *half* that many.
Just because a fourth grader gets an A+ in math doesn’t mean they know more than a college freshman who gets a B. The scale of the work matters.
Give Caleb Martin his flowers, he showed up and did his work. But come on guys, Jimmy Butler has a knack for timely buckets. Just as soon as the Celtics think they can claw back, Jimmy does some wild sh*t like hit a three when you least expect it, or pull up a post fadeaway for 2. I've never been a Jimmy fan, but watched a lot of the Heat games this post season and he's a big reason why they beat the Celtics.
If you’re talking about that last game against Boston, then yeah, Caleb Martin deserves it. But if we talking about the series, this is not even a discussion. Stephen A just trying to have a viral moment man. If you really watch the games and look at the stats, you will never say anything like that. Jimmy deserves it and he has been the best player in the east this whole post season
I completely disagree with JJ, the best player shouldn’t just be gifted the MVP. Martin clearly should’ve won the MVP. There is a reason finals MVPs matter, if the best player just got it every time it would be meaningless. The player who performs the best overall in the series deserves it.
No when he struggled, Caleb shined... It should have gone to him.
5 year / 300m is crazy for jalen brown..
If you ask Jimmy he’d even tell you Caleb Martin was the rightful ECF finals MVP
Jimmy averaged more points rebounds and assists in the series…… Game 7 Caleb Martin had A great performance doesnt mena he should win the MVP lol
@Yahmani Price but he was the difference maker. Jimmy got the award for the first 2 series
@@foundationsyth9825 They don't go off the first 2 series. @Yahmani Price explained it to you exactly what they go off of, Butler's numbers in the ECF were the better numbers. Caleb did great for a role-player, but you can't reward players with an MVP award for just being a great x-factor. Lol
Does jimmy get mvp if they lose?
Without Martin going crazy in game 7…. They don’t win. He was the X factor when it mattered.
@@charleslavoie5402 Jimmy had 28 points, 6 asts and 2 steals in game 7. He won game 1 and 2 by himself basically, so yes Caleb Martin performed very well in game 7. But this is not a game 7 award it’s the whole series. That’s like saying Kyrie deserved the Finals MVP over Bron just cause he hit the game winning 3. Kyrie was phenomenal and very clutch but didn’t play better than lebron.
Ideally, they would give it to both.
They don't advance without Martin but they also don't advance without Butler.
Please keep this same energy after Heat beat the Nuggets in 6. I just put $50 on Caleb Martin at 50-1 to win Finals MVP. Jimmy is getting gassed.
Im glad Martin is getting his props…dude was fantastic in this series.
this isn't even a question. all teams dream of having an all nba player. they have 2. you give him the extension. if he walks from it, that's on him.
I don’t think Brown’s issue was being 2nd it was the trades attempts
it's not worth blowing the Celtics up, Tatum and Brown are both still young
Whatever Jimmy was asked to do, he didn't do it! Caleb Martin stepped up big time while Jimmy watched
JIMMY F BUTLER#22 WAS DEFINITELY THE MOST VALUABLE PLAYER OF THE NBA 🏀 EASTERN CONFERENCE FINALS 🏆 ..
People have really short memories, the Heat were up 3 games to 0 because of Butlers play. When Jimmy had three bad games those are the ones the Celtics won. Game 7 Jimmy plays well again they win. Isnt that what an MVP mean.
In the end, the Eastern Conference is never reliable! The Denver Nuggets finish first in the West and are now in the NBA Finals. The Heat made it, but so much had to play out in their favor.
Jimmy Buttler destroys the Bucks then heads down to NYC and beat them up good with a Sore ankle. Then game 1 vs Celtics gets 35-5-7, game 2) 27-8-6 Sends Grant Williams to the bench, game 3) 16-8-6 not that great but nearly a triple-double, game 4) 29-9-5, game 5) didn't play that great but had nearly a triple-double again, game 6) gives you 24-11-8 and Martin played well had 21-15 RB and game 7 Jimmy had 28-7-6. So how on earth does Caleb Martin even get one vote away from winning the conference's finals MVP?? It is so absurd it blows my mind away. Jimmy absolutely played way better than Caleb Martin mind you Caleb played well here and there and was probably the 2nd best player after Jimmy. And even some of the shots that he took were because of Jimmy's assists. Stephen A and all the other voters done lost their minds, JJ should've called them out when he had his chance but probably didn't want drama to fold in.
Its not about who deserved it. This is Jimmy's association. Stephen A needs to step back and bow.
Butler deserved the MVP. He was the leader and best player on the court in the first 3 games and he was the best player in game 7. When Martin carried them they lost those games but he deserves credit. He’s a great player.
Incorrect. The game plan was for Jimmy butler and Caleb benefits from those opportunities. Everyone wins as long as team wins
I’m Ngl Caleb Martin did his thang but butler got them to this position type shi especially with that putback to push them to Ot on Knicks
Jaylen Brown is a warrior
Nah. The advanced stats over 7 games clearly show Butler deserved the MVP. He ended up with a 20.9 GameScore to Caleb's 16.4. Jayson Tatum had a 19.7. Jokic 27.8, Murray 27.4. Close, but Lakers tried to stop Jokic, thus opening up Jamal.
Without Jimmy on the floor is Caleb still gonna ball?
Without Caleb on the floor is Jimmy gonna ball?
I think it's pretty obvious but I'm happy for Caleb getting the attention he deserves. You say he deserved it more? I say, you're wrong but go off King. 👑 😂
The media is really messed up pushing the narrative that Jimmy didn't deserve the MVP trophy and trying to pit teammates together. They did the same to Steph and Andrew Wiggins last season. The MVP award is as A WHOLE getting to the Finals, NOT JUST ONE SERIES. It's so disrespectful how forgetful people can be after a few bad games when it was his fight and drive that willed his team to win in the first place. Same as Steph, they are TRUE LEADERS and performers. Yes, they have bad games, but overall package they are the TRUE MVP'S period. Stop the weak narratives.
I would love to keep Jaylen Brown but he is not worth the supermax and I doubt he would take less than the supermax. I also don't think he is particularly close to Boston. He definitely wants to be involved in social activism (nothing wrong with that at all) but Boston fans traditionally do not view that particularly favorably. I forsee a sign-and-trade, hopefully for an elite point guard.
Box and 1 is a defense where u have to pass quickly on offense efficiency will break it