Have SJE101. Former owner of bb58. This fits better. It’s definitely my exit seiko diver, diver, and maybe even sports watch. I like that the bezel isn’t ceramic. Watch wears thin all round, which is why in this case i like they dont have a thick on the fly clasp adjustment
@@kylechow6072 One of my tests for comfort is being on the keyboard. The SJE is ok, not as comfortable as my stamped, friction clasp Tudor Date Day, but definitely my most comfortable diver. If I had a wish it's that Seiko would do a micro extension like Rolex's Easylink, but even better is Formex's 4mm micro extension. The Formex bracelet is so comfortable you can be on the keyboard all day. This should replace the ugly dive extension imo.
I hate ceramic bezel inserts. They are sterile, develop no life, and in most cases they are too shiny. I will pay more money for a watch as long as it does not have a ceramic bezel. So anodised aluminium or coated aluminium for the win. I would hope it fades a bit, I would hope it scoffs a bit. That makes it your watch, and that makes it a tool watch. But what I'm wondering about... Can you expand on the "other regards" in which the Tudor will be better? I'm geniunely curious, aside from the T-fit clasp. Regarding the movement, if you leave aside the finishing, they made a movement with the same specs and thinness as the venerable ETA 289x series movements, which are fantastic. In fact, I'd be hard pressed to understand the benefits of a Kenissi versus a good old fashioned ETA289x. I have two watches with a 6L movement (limited KS and Alpinist), and they are cracking.
The "should you buy " question is very easy to answer: you should buy what you like. I own an SPB143 and an SPB 297 because I like the looks of them. That's all what really counts for use desk-divers ;-) And even if you are a snorkler of a scuba diver, any depth rating above 50 m is ok. Yes, for scuba diving too, because you don't dive deeper than 50 m anyway.
I like the 6L movement. Hoping for an SJE version of the 1968 diver that the MM300 is based on since it’s my favorite Seiko diver design and will be more wearable as a daily driver than my SBDX017. Just hope they put the damn date at 3 (or gasp…a no date) but most likely they will put it at 430 like all their new divers. That clasp does suck ass but I’d wear it on a rubber strap. No ceramic bezel for me. I’m on team aluminum bezel.
I like the looks but Seiko putting a cheaper movement and less water resistance for almost as much money is complete hogwash. A lightly used SLA can be had for less and blows this out of the water.
Great design and I'm a fan... however I'm not a fan of the $3K price point for a SEIKO!! Perhaps if this had the Grand Seiko 8L spring-drive movement maybe, but come'on w/these crazy prices.
I’ve always been of the opinion the 62MAS was boring as hell considering what followed. It a a run if the mill skin diver case with nothing original or to be proud of. The 6215, 6159, 6305 etc just changed the game and are really great watches. My favorite being the 6159-7001. The markers. The movement and the case are all incredible.
*Based ONLY on videos & photos (in person could be another impression) the dial color strikes me (my opinion, yours could be much different) as too dressy, even dainty, for a diver. This could be a prudent, even savvy strategy to capture sales from customers who dislike chunky wrist bricks masquerading as watches, who perceive the color as enhancing daily wear suitability.*
It looks fine and has Seiko charm, but in my opinion, Seiko is falling behind in various areas, especially value for money. Not only have many microbrands caught up with Seiko, but they've surpassed them in many areas. 1. At this point, there is no excuse for not having any microadjustment on their clasps. Every microbrand I have not only have microadjustment in their clasp but also quick release bracelets. Erebus and Zelos, for under $500, has both, and they're pretty dang good. It seems Seiko is just being stubborn, as this is something thats been expressed for years. What a disappointment. 2. There is no excuse for anything over 1k to not have ceramic bezels. Seiko keeps doing this coating over steel to give the illusion of ceramic without giving ceramic. Again, microbrands give ceramics at less cost than Seiko. I have 2 brands, Nodus and Ginault, that have fully lumed sapphire bezels, which, to me, is better than ceramic. The Nodus is $825, and the Ginault is $1400, but a 2k Seiko still has a steel bezel, which "seems" to be a cost cutting measure. Come on Seiko! 3. The movements are behind and have always been behind. Unless one moves upmarket a few k to a GS or a top tier 3k and above watch, the movement is going to be subpar. A SW300 in watches at or below Seikos 2k offerings far outpreform what Seiko offers. I had a Monta Skyquest-Coke, and out the box, it was guaranteed COSC levels, not this wide range of deviation that may or may not be the case in Seiko's. The place in my heart that used to be occupied by seiko has now been replaced with microbrands. They may not have the name or heritage, but they will definitely push the envelope to get customers what they want without the shell game or breaking open the bank. I truly do hope they start listening and responding or they will lose more and more customers to brands that will give us what we are looking for. If Seiko just implements the few things I and others are and have been asking for...game over. Anyway, apologies on length. Lol
because this is the new marinemaster line of seiko. they will bring out more divers with mm text on the dial soon. next is going to be the mm300 this summer... then maybe next year new tunas 🤙
This watch at £3k with that clasp and that movement shows Seiko is trolling us now. It's a max £1,500 piece. Interesting design but it's a look that will age badly.
It's every bit as good as an ETA2892-A2, which it was designed as an alternative too. And there are many more expensive watches carrying the ETA2892-A2
The bracelet is great actually, you can adjust the links to make a perfect fit since thr links are so small, also, because the links are small and can move around so much, it makes the bracelet curve to your wrist making it extremely comfortable. The clasp is super thin too
I just couldn't. Its $300 less than I bought my Tudor Glamour Double Date for which is an absolute stunner of a watch...and a Tudor. I just can't reconcile the fact that I have a LOVELY Seiko Prospex Padi Special Edition (SRPB99) with a crazy textured dial that only cost $380 with this watch's MSRP.
Would never buy a seiko for that much. Longines, tudor, oris, all better choices for similar price.... maybe put a grand in front of it, then people might consider
black dial version of this one on a black sailcloth strap, bought at street price not list price, is a big winner and the way to go here.
I love finding deals. But I haven't seen these pop up much. The only 099 on watchrecon now is 100 less than retail
Have SJE101. Former owner of bb58. This fits better. It’s definitely my exit seiko diver, diver, and maybe even sports watch. I like that the bezel isn’t ceramic. Watch wears thin all round, which is why in this case i like they dont have a thick on the fly clasp adjustment
What kind of accuracy do you get? I've been looking into this watch as my next purchase.
Thanks for chiming in. I love getting owner perspectives on the watches in the videos. Its super helpful
as someone whos wrist size fluctuates a lot, the on the fly adjust on my marinemaster 300 is appreciated on the daily.
@@kylechow6072 One of my tests for comfort is being on the keyboard. The SJE is ok, not as comfortable as my stamped, friction clasp Tudor Date Day, but definitely my most comfortable diver. If I had a wish it's that Seiko would do a micro extension like Rolex's Easylink, but even better is Formex's 4mm micro extension. The Formex bracelet is so comfortable you can be on the keyboard all day. This should replace the ugly dive extension imo.
What size is your wrist if you don’t mind me asking ?
Disappointed with that watch, its not a marinemaster. No depth to the dial ect. Come on Seiko do better.
MM 300 should be landing soon
MM300, forever!
SEIKO is a big NO for me from a long time.They just don't improve.Well,only the prices :p
ugh seiko
The MarineMaster 300 is a legend 🌊
legend status for sure
I hate ceramic bezel inserts. They are sterile, develop no life, and in most cases they are too shiny. I will pay more money for a watch as long as it does not have a ceramic bezel. So anodised aluminium or coated aluminium for the win. I would hope it fades a bit, I would hope it scoffs a bit. That makes it your watch, and that makes it a tool watch.
But what I'm wondering about... Can you expand on the "other regards" in which the Tudor will be better? I'm geniunely curious, aside from the T-fit clasp.
Regarding the movement, if you leave aside the finishing, they made a movement with the same specs and thinness as the venerable ETA 289x series movements, which are fantastic. In fact, I'd be hard pressed to understand the benefits of a Kenissi versus a good old fashioned ETA289x. I have two watches with a 6L movement (limited KS and Alpinist), and they are cracking.
The "should you buy " question is very easy to answer: you should buy what you like. I own an SPB143 and an SPB 297 because I like the looks of them. That's all what really counts for use desk-divers ;-)
And even if you are a snorkler of a scuba diver, any depth rating above 50 m is ok. Yes, for scuba diving too, because you don't dive deeper than 50 m anyway.
Seiko and their trash clasps unecessarily make their watches look cheaper. It's a major disservice to the company's efforts, GS included.
Weak point of all Seiko and GS models
Marine Master moniker has always been reserved for Seikos 300m snd deeper divers.
Marine Master 209m is an oxymoron, sorry.
Rumours are there is a new updated Marinemaster coming out this summer based on the 1968 diver.
SLA079J1
I can't wait to see real world pics of it. The leaked pics don't show much yet
I have the marinemaster sla047j1, i like the marinemaster 300 more than this one
Same old cheap clasp. Come on Seiko. I would go with the Christopher Ward C60 Trident Pro 300 over this.
*Please describe how the clasp is inferior and also compare it to other clasps you believe are up to standard.*
Deluded 😂
Feel free to visit the the CW website to learn more about their clasp.
It's pretty widely known that Seiko bracelets/clasps are pretty subpar. That's including grand Seiko as well.
Nah that CW is hideous
I dont know why seiko keeps that painful in the ass date complication. Sad
this is a fantastic offering from Seiko... Looks sublime on the wrist!! Perfect size too
I like the 6L movement. Hoping for an SJE version of the 1968 diver that the MM300 is based on since it’s my favorite Seiko diver design and will be more wearable as a daily driver than my SBDX017. Just hope they put the damn date at 3 (or gasp…a no date) but most likely they will put it at 430 like all their new divers. That clasp does suck ass but I’d wear it on a rubber strap. No ceramic bezel for me. I’m on team aluminum bezel.
I hear one is coming out later this year
Grand Seiko applies logos on the display casebacks as well 🤷♂️ why do they do it? 🤷♂️ Best watch company's ever, though (Seiko + Grand Seiko)!
I like the looks but Seiko putting a cheaper movement and less water resistance for almost as much money is complete hogwash. A lightly used SLA can be had for less and blows this out of the water.
I think the SLA051 is criminally undervalued used right now. I see them in the mid 1000s with the lovely 8L caliber
@@BruceWilliams could not agree more! (Have two SLA Willards and they are amazing.)
Looks brilliant in black shit in 2 tone!!
Great design and I'm a fan... however I'm not a fan of the $3K price point for a SEIKO!! Perhaps if this had the Grand Seiko 8L spring-drive movement maybe, but come'on w/these crazy prices.
I’ve always been of the opinion the 62MAS was boring as hell considering what followed. It a a run if the mill skin diver case with nothing original or to be proud of. The 6215, 6159, 6305 etc just changed the game and are really great watches. My favorite being the 6159-7001. The markers. The movement and the case are all incredible.
Bruce, great video! Strange question, but does this watch have thick spring bars or normal ones?
My only real complaint about this one is the edges of the markers/indices, they're very poorly done, to the point that it's downright unacceptable...
*Based ONLY on videos & photos (in person could be another impression) the dial color strikes me (my opinion, yours could be much different) as too dressy, even dainty, for a diver. This could be a prudent, even savvy strategy to capture sales from customers who dislike chunky wrist bricks masquerading as watches, who perceive the color as enhancing daily wear suitability.*
It looks fine and has Seiko charm, but in my opinion, Seiko is falling behind in various areas, especially value for money. Not only have many microbrands caught up with Seiko, but they've surpassed them in many areas.
1. At this point, there is no excuse for not having any microadjustment on their clasps. Every microbrand I have not only have microadjustment in their clasp but also quick release bracelets. Erebus and Zelos, for under $500, has both, and they're pretty dang good. It seems Seiko is just being stubborn, as this is something thats been expressed for years. What a disappointment.
2. There is no excuse for anything over 1k to not have ceramic bezels. Seiko keeps doing this coating over steel to give the illusion of ceramic without giving ceramic. Again, microbrands give ceramics at less cost than Seiko. I have 2 brands, Nodus and Ginault, that have fully lumed sapphire bezels, which, to me, is better than ceramic. The Nodus is $825, and the Ginault is $1400, but a 2k Seiko still has a steel bezel, which "seems" to be a cost cutting measure. Come on Seiko!
3. The movements are behind and have always been behind. Unless one moves upmarket a few k to a GS or a top tier 3k and above watch, the movement is going to be subpar. A SW300 in watches at or below Seikos 2k offerings far outpreform what Seiko offers. I had a Monta Skyquest-Coke, and out the box, it was guaranteed COSC levels, not this wide range of deviation that may or may not be the case in Seiko's.
The place in my heart that used to be occupied by seiko has now been replaced with microbrands. They may not have the name or heritage, but they will definitely push the envelope to get customers what they want without the shell game or breaking open the bank. I truly do hope they start listening and responding or they will lose more and more customers to brands that will give us what we are looking for. If Seiko just implements the few things I and others are and have been asking for...game over.
Anyway, apologies on length. Lol
The price is not the reason of that no ceramic bezel, seiko has ceramic bezels in much cheaper pieces.
Don't apologize my friend. You voice valid things that a lot of watch collectors resonate with!
@@BruceWilliams some want to see it get aged
Everyone’s freaking out because it’s not the same as the 300. It’s just the name folks.
I really don't understand why Seiko never gives us " singed crown" like other Swiss brands.
I feel like you about it. One other thing is the pin and collars that seiko use. For the money it needs screws. It does look vvv nice though!
Cool offering even if it isn't for me. Seiko needs to stop with the 4:30 date window🤢
*Thank you, High Lord of Needs, your majesty's command will be invoked forthwith.*
@@joeskeptical4762 you sound quite pleasant. Enjoy the weekend
@@SaltyWatchCollector *Thank you.*
Seiko is the only brand that reduces the power reserve at the highest tier. They should really fix that.
It looks kind of small
The case design and finishing is so much nicer than slab sided Tudor. The clasp is poor however.
I agree
@BruceWilliams it would be fine on a $800 or even $1000 watch, but this is priced at entry level luxury, and needs a clasp to match.
How did this go on the time grapher ?
Who knows I don't know nobody knows.
Not for me. Looks confused. Sad mix between an Aqua Terra and a 62MAS. Cheap clasp, ok bracelet. Marinemaster should be 300m not 200m. No thanks.
That is the prettiest Seiko diver I've seen. The color scheme alone is a selling point for me. Tasty.
common youre messing with my OCD with that unaligned blip...
I have commited the first sin of reviewing a dive watch. I'm sorry haha
The bezel puts me off. I think it makes it look cheap
Can’t wait for the real MM300 the SLA079 to release this year! Have you heard about it Bruce?
Yes, really looking forward to seeing real world pics and looking at specs/pricing
Why is a MM in a 62MAS case?
Haha I don't know
because this is the new marinemaster line of seiko. they will bring out more divers with mm text on the dial soon. next is going to be the mm300 this summer... then maybe next year new tunas 🤙
The movement is better than an SW-200. Sellitas are always not as durable and not as reliable.
I've never had an issue knock on wood
The 6L is an equivalent to eta2892a2/sw300 not the 2824/sw200
I love the 4:30 date because like you said it gives you the markers for every hour and doesnt mess up the lume picture.
like minds
Wasnt a fan of this design at first. But after a while, it is growing on me.
Same here
Unsigned crown, awkward looking clasp. Might as well be time only with that date.
Other than that, it's aces.
Looks great to me!
This watch at £3k with that clasp and that movement shows Seiko is trolling us now. It's a max £1,500 piece. Interesting design but it's a look that will age badly.
It’s the 6L not the 6R movement.
@@theenavybluemonster it’s nothing special
@@diego750 I like the 6L a lot. It’s thinner than the 8L and more accurate than the 6R.
It's every bit as good as an ETA2892-A2, which it was designed as an alternative too. And there are many more expensive watches carrying the ETA2892-A2
@@diego750 the 6l37 is very special actually!
The bezel and dial looks cheap and if the movement is as bad as 6r then idk why Seiko is still selling watches
6L movement
Seiko is really falling behind on value. Bad bracelets and clasps and ok movements
The bracelet is great actually, you can adjust the links to make a perfect fit since thr links are so small, also, because the links are small and can move around so much, it makes the bracelet curve to your wrist making it extremely comfortable. The clasp is super thin too
I looked at the watch for about 11 seconds. SSSD.( Same Sad Seiko Design).
Bruce, why my reply to Joe's comment keeps disappearing?
I don't know, I have not removed any comments.
I just couldn't. Its $300 less than I bought my Tudor Glamour Double Date for which is an absolute stunner of a watch...and a Tudor. I just can't reconcile the fact that I have a LOVELY Seiko Prospex Padi Special Edition (SRPB99) with a crazy textured dial that only cost $380 with this watch's MSRP.
Tudor is not in the same league as Seiko, it's seen as a cheap Rolex copy brand with no prestige
@@coffeeboyclips1973 Nice try troll lol
Would never buy a seiko for that much. Longines, tudor, oris, all better choices for similar price.... maybe put a grand in front of it, then people might consider