Ty & That Guy - The Expanse Aftershow S6E5 w/ Cara Gee & Shohreh Aghdashloo - Why We Fight
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- Опубликовано: 6 янв 2022
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THE EXPANSE AFTERSHOW S6E5
Ty Franck (one half of James S.A. Corey) & Wes Chatham ('Amos Burton' on The Expanse) sit down with Cara Gee & Shohreh Aghdashloo to discuss S6E5 Why We Fight
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As much as I'm impressed by how little Wes is like Amos, I don't think there's a bigger gulf between actor and character than Cara Gee and Drummer. She's so bubbly and fun and enthusiastic, and yet she's so intense and stormy when she's onscreen. A really great performance, and this week was phenomenal.
Cara is such a magnificent actor! I can't wait to see what other sorts of roles she's capable of.
^^^^ this is exactly why Drummer is my favorite character, Cara Gee is a fn awesome actress, love them all, but her the most!
Wes said in a previous episode that the thing you don't want to see is Cara being angry at you. Apparently there is a lot of Drummer in her now.
The first time I saw her in an interview I didnt even recognize her!🤣🤣 I was like who is this bubbly chick, I've never seen her on the show before?? Then they said she was Drummer and my mouth literally dropped. 😲 the gap in personality is huge. Huge
Her face is like Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt but then she acts like the most intimidating parts of John Rambo and Ellen Ripley combined.
Avasarala meeting Drummer is the dictionary definition of what happens when a immovable object meeting an unstoppable force, respectively.
Facts
That was a satisfying scene.
The handshake that saved the multiverse.
Which one is which?
@@victoriaalbastra6325 I'm going to call Avasarala the unstoppable force, because of all of the big-deal stuff she gets done in solar system politics, and Drummer the immovable object, because you really, really can't make her let go of anything. But you can call Avasarala immovable, because she's always the boss, even when she's not, and you can call Drummer unstoppable, because whether she's going for a walk with a broken back or space pirating with a broken heart, you'd better not be in the way.
Season 1 was crime noir.
Season 2 was a political drama
Season 3 was straight up thriller
Season 4 was science fiction
Season 5 is a war movie
Season 6 is all levels of awesome
I always thought of book four / season four as a western with a sci fi twist
@@jukes6741 Sci-fi & Westerns are essentially the same from an allegorical perspective. It’s easier to see in scifi though, as the settings are more removed from reality.
I could listen to Shohreh read a phone book. What an iconic voice.
Her family had to leave Iran in part because as an aspiring child actress, Shohreh cultivated her voice by smoking cigarettes and gargling whiskey 3 times a day.
@@1chrisford thank you for that. I didn't expect to learn something in a RUclips comment.
@@1chrisford Yoinks! That’s pretty damn hardcore!
@@1chrisford Lol she naturally have a husky voice. My aunt have no vices yet her voice sounds like that.
Shohreh is as commanding, eloquent, and dignified as Avasarala (I love how she kept doing a play-bow to Ty). Cara Gee's bubbly personality is like the opposite of Drummer. They're both incredible actors who steal every scene that they're in. Also, I want to point out that Ty's dedication to his creation - as a novelist, as a screenwriter, as a producer - is what made this show work so well. As the co-creators, he and Dan know the material better than anyone, and they have kept things fluid; they take criticism of the books constructively and take actor insights and performance into account when refining their script.
Man I could listen to Cara and Shohreh talk about their characters forever. They're both so insightful about Avasarala and Drummer's motivations and thoughtful in their acting choices. I wanted this to be like three times longer!!
Way too short. 100% agreed.
I love how an incredibly accomplished actress like Shohreh Aghdashloo will embrace and nerd out to a niche SF show like this. Doesn't treat it like 'just another gig' as a huge amount of high brow actors do.
and that moment on Drummer's ship with Nyomi, when Camina breaks down and hugs her, fucking amazing
Oh yes! I was holding back a crying jag 😢😘😳
Yes. That acting needs to be rewarded. I just saw that scene yesterday and I'm still stunned by it.
I felt that scene.
Cara Gee is a real thespian. If you told me they actually got a real live space pirate from the future to play Drummer, I might have believed you.
i still cant understand how cara gee plays drummer role. Cara is soo fun loving and playful on the other hand drummer is fully opposite. To actually play that role and nail it to perfection is simply mindblowing. Kudos to cara gee for her acting👏👏👏👏
Thanks for doing strong female characters right. Strong, imperfect, unbending, vulnerable, getting sh!t done and all around awesome
It's amazing just how many of these characters there are in the show: Avasarala, Drummer, Nagata, Draper, Volovodov, Captain Yao, Admiral Kirino, Karal, Rosenfeld Guoliang... On other shows, even the Mao sisters would count as strong characters...
And in my opinion, the best thing about the female characters and their positions of power in this show is that it is *never* questioned or even addressed that they are female. It just *is*, just like it's supposed to be outside the show as well.
I dont even think theres any prominent white female characters on the show?? Interesting
@@ndo533 Anna Volovodov? I found her to be a very strong, caring and powerful character. Would have made a great addition to this season but they only got 6 episodes :/
@@ndo533 Guoliang is played by a white woman.
Cara Gee has a twin, right?
There's no way she is the same person as Drummer.
There's acting, and then there's just completely becoming a different human.
She's just amazing and clearly loves being Drummer.
Ha! I was about 7 mins into this video before I recognized who Cara Gee was..
Cara can write her own paycheck for the next few decades. She's proven herself. She's going to be playing across from A-listers in the next few years.
@@fishtailfred8686 she even looks very different from Drummer
Cara Gee was amazing this episode, as usual.
I love how Drummer had to cry when her family had left her and she realized she had to betray her principles and ally with the inners, as Fred Johnson and Ashford had done before her.
What I find the most amazing though is that Drummer never shows what a goofball Cara actually is.
SAVE THE EXPANSE. Please keep making the Expanse and for the time jump change the show into Animation keep the crew as voice actors and then you can age all the characters without issues. I love this show!
I hadn’t thought about taking the anime route. Not sure it would work but it’s an interesting idea! Worth a shot, right? 🙂👍
The secret is... it's not ending. There's going to be a time skip. We might wait a while though. I'm not sure what the plan is, but I'm glad they're ending this story on their own terms.
Maybe in 5 years.
This show has literally saved my life. I’ve had a rough couple of years. The quality of EVERYTHING in this show is so humanity-affirming (good and bad) that I felt I was witnessing a media version Tolstoy or Chekhov.
*of
Read the books! They’re amazing, and there are three the show hasn’t adapted!
I agree! This show is a masterpiece.
Imagine comparing an Amazon show to Tolstoy lmao
@@MaRaX93 Genres and perceptions change. If you think this takes away from Tolstoy or Chekov or Baldwin or Roy...then you are missing out on a significant portion of human experience. Obviously, the book series isn't on the same level. But it's like comparing Jordan to James to Chamberlain. Different eras have different approaches to the human experience. To discount any is folly.
I love the story that Shohreh told about her 'hearing' Avasarala scolding her for trying to glamourise herself when debating a younger woman. It makes me realise how brilliant she plays the role - she obviously understands and lives the character so well, she almosts has a version of Avaserala that she 'channels'.
im slow on the uptake. had been watching this on amazon, but didnt realize there is one for every episode over here! got a lot of catching up to do. Wes Chatham seems like such an awesome human
Bridge 4!
@@hinumayyyy hey there! i cant believe it took me so long to realize sub here. ive got around 50 of these to catch up on now lol
They still need to finish seasons 4 and 5, but covering the older episodes was put on pause for season 6. It's awesome how they are giving us the interviews, behind the scenes stories, and extra insight into this wonderful show.
@@qwertyferix ah gotcha. well thats actually kinda fun. ill catch up from the beginning and then have the excitement of looking forward to new ones as they drop them. thanks for the heads up! :))
Cant blame you man, bridge runs must be beyond exhausting..
They keep coming up with those “moments”……. When Drummer and Avasarala shake hands……. Struck me as equal to Adama’s “So say we all!” Speech.
True but what I really love about it is six seasons ago, Drummer and Avasarala couldn't have been within a hundred thousand clicks of each other without everyone around them being killed. They're both in very different places - and they're both right, and completely wrong, And they're both allowed to be messy and complicated and wounded to the core -- all without giving up one grain of their power in being vulnerable.
i couldnt help but smile the entire time i watched this. my face hurts! in a "love you guys, please don't go" way 😊😊
Cara _and_ Shohreh? Hell yeah!
🙌
I didn’t realize until this episode that this series now feels like it was building up to that meeting between the 2 of them, all 6 seasons. It was organic, I know it’s not the same in the books. But it just WORKS
Dominique Tipper should have been a part of this Aftershow.
That scene with Naomi and Drummer nearly had me in tears
It was the emotional heart of this episode.
Because it was at that moment when Drummer ended up breaking down.
And going forward.
The fact that this episode debrief exists is a testament to the quality of the entire crew of people who created the series. Appreciate all the points you highlighted in this conversation as well as in the past debriefs!
PS - Who wants to see a game based on the series? Surely the team can do as good or better then HALO!
You want an Expanse game? "The Expanse: A Telltale Series" has recently been announced and it stars Drummer as the main character (with Cara voicing her)!
Thank you, I missed the announcement
Camina Drummer is my absolute favourite character, little of a crush on her, but she's such a beautiful character. We need more of her!
E05 was killer episode, ring station rail guns being gradually built in the intro sequence this season was cool as f. can't wait for final episode next week, gonna be sick.
Someone get Netflix on the phone we need another 6 seasons
@Random Thought episode 5 really felt like a midseason episode event to change the course of the season . We deserve at least 5 more episodes to get to the finale to see it fully play out
what an interview. these are my three favorite characters, but only because klaes ashford got spaced. David straithairn rules.
"David straithairn rules." No lies detected - I'll watch a show or movie on his name alone, and even if it's complete rubbish he'll never let me down.
YAAAAAAAAASSSS!!!
I would watch an entire RUclips channel of him just singing Belter shanties.
@@CRanapia truth
Avasarala's dress when she meets Drummer!!!
I stumbled into "The Expanse" in April of '21. Binged my way through 5 seasons. A month later, I did it again and was amazed at all the subtle narrative hooks throughout...not to mention greatness I'd just missed. In this ep, Shohreh mentioned a scene from S1 ep 2...and knocked me right off my pins. Now I'm gonna start the whole thing again.
Read the books.
@@douggolde7582 👍 No one would regret reading the books. I've never seen an adaptation so true overall. All the while with significant varying factors but both versions are so focused on telling the same story. It's artful how wonderful both the books and series are next to each other.
Tell your friends.
@@andrewl5272 I’ve been raving about the show since the first viewing, lol.
_“I worry about people who throw rocks”._ - Avasarala, Season 1.
I LOVE THAT... I'm going with that... that this is NOT the end!!!
Before knowing Cara's background, I was absolutely convinced that English was her second language. Great acting and such consistency in bringing Drummer to life.
It's nice to see actors who are really into what they are doing
It's so nice to see people who completely devote themselves to their work and enjoy the process. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I can listen to you guys for hours. I look forward to the finale of The Expanse!
The finale 😩😩😭😭😭
Save the expanse 2 - YOU CAN'T STOP THE WORK!
The Expanse is chock full of amazing talent, both in front and behind camera. Their passion for the project comes through so clearly. Cara's portrayal of Drummer is brilliant - I love them all, but she's certainly my fave.
The queen has spoken!
I have no idea how you'll wrap up the season with just one episode left, but so far it was absolutely incredible.
...two amazing actresses 'digging out' how they acted two amazing characters and performances... epic!
This is, hands down, the best aftershow, ever!
The scene with Drummer and Naomi made me cry just before the walk happened. Cara, you are amazing at what you do!
I'm full of mixed emotions. I want to see how it ends but I don't want it to end. Everything else I look for to fill the coming void is a few steps down.
@Random Thought There are plenty more books. Just for a production company to pick up the rights. This is not the end
I hear that. I purposefully held-off watching EP 5 til Saturday because I was .... rationing (?) myself with an inner dialogue something like... "You only have one more episode after this.... Cherish this.".
Now I'm like "I missed all the discussion". 😆
@Random Thought They must have something planned. Why do the 'strange dogs' storyline if they don't plan on finishing the last 3 books?
There's a Telltale game coming out soon. I don't know if it will be good but DeckNine is a respected developer.
I think we will get a continuation of the main storyline some day in some form. Everyone who has seen this show understands it's special.
Ty Talking about how they implement current topics in the show is exactly how it should be done!
Make it a part of the world. Thus you can still talk about it, but you do not break immersion.
Exactly!
The saddest part for me is that the series ends tomorrow, please Amazon or Netflix pick up the remaining three books!!! Such an amazing cast and crew!
I'm certain the show will go on - because Shohreh herself will go to whoever she needs to and say "You _will_ pick up this show. And you _will_ give us FIVE. MORE. SEASONS. "
I love these aftershow discussions, with an amazing writer, and the amazing actors. But I'm just taken aback by how different Cara Gee is than the Drummer character she plays, probably more different than most. Once she puts on the makeup, puts on the lang belter and wipes the smile from her face, she must really dig deep to deliver the Drummer we see on the screen every episode. Well done, so well done!
I am so sad that it has reached the end. Cara Gee;s acting is so powerful. This character is amazing and I agree that she is the embodiment of the belt! I am afraid to watch the last episode, because they are setting it up for Avasarela dying from illness, at least from where I am sitting. All of the characters, it feels like I have traveled a long epic journey with them. Thank you all for creating the journey.
I had to come here to show you that I DO watch the aftershow, for one.
Two: (In hopes that anyone on the crew reads these) Please make more of this story, and please make more episodes like this that made me cry at least 3 times. I appreciate all the talent and hard work that does into the show.
Every character has had some very strong performances but this season's acting is incredible. The journey that Avasarala and Drummer walked. Wow.
Shohreh and Cara are an absolute delight. This was amazing.
Ok i feel better after Shohreh's proclamation. "This is not the end..." Thank you everyone making Ty and that Guy.
Cara's performance was absolutely stellar too!
Drummer & Avasarala meeting as 2 strong, independent women who have both lost so much. Now they have some common ground. Best scenes were between Drummer & Naomi (teared up a little there) & Drummer/Avasarala. Incredible writing & acting. Can't believe we've only 1 more ep :(
Shohreh Aghdashloo has totally nailed the sort of science fiction that I respect. Asimov science fiction, Ty and Daniel and other I suppose. Science Fiction that allows us a back door to describe the human condition.
cheers to auntie ran
Really good science fiction always addresses the human/social conditions and challenges. I love Ty's comment about the Belters 👍
AWESOME have been waiting to see Cara on for this season.
I have to agree with the Queen. This is not the end of The Expanse. It'd be a waste and if Amazon doesn't wish to continue someone else will.
Drummer is the best character. Kara Gee did so well
I'm with Wes. Avasarala and Drummer are my favourite characters (and Shohreh and Cara my favourite actors on the show). It was amazing finally seeing them together in ep5, and it was a real treat seeing them in this video talking about it. :)
I have to admit, I love these podcasts, they provide so much extra information and show the people behind the scenes.
As much as I loved Drummer and Avasarala meeting, I was truly hoping to see an Amos and Avasarala chat. I am not ready for the next episode to be the end, this show (and the books) have honestly brought so much enjoyment to my life.
i couldnt help but smile the entire time i watched this. my face hurts! in a "love you guys, please don't go" way
This episode was so good I cannot go to bed. I am an old guy too.
"The most powerful person in the solar system and the angriest person in the solar system" is the most accurate and beautiful description I've seen of both Avasarala and Drummer
This is the best aftershow episode of them all. You have seasoned professionals eager to talk to each other about craft. I really appreciated that aspect of this episode.
Loved seeing these two women contribute their stories! Such great performers! What an amazing climactic scene to this episode as well. The two opposing forces finally meet! Wonderful! What speaks more than the theatrics of all of this is the build up of the background of how you can have two people that are, in a very real sense, secondary characters, given enough build up throughout the show, layered very well, grow and percolate to become incendiary forces that nearly outweigh the primary characters of the main plot within their own subplots. That is some outstanding writing! And to see two excellent performers carry it off so well: outstanding!!! Thank you!!!
Agreed! And in such short time span is the true art.
Avasarala’s outfit in the scene where she meets Drummer is one of the best costume choices I’ve ever seen. It’s so dialed in to the context and weight of the scene. Amazing.
This was a very good aftershow. Shohreh and Cara have great energy
In a show that is 100% filled with outstanding actors/actresses, just one more bravo to Cara Gee. IMO, the most incredible work out of an already incredible cast. Drummer was my #1 favourite character in any show and you brought it to life like no other. Such respect!
Ty & That Guy fan #5 signing in here, just gotta say this is the best episode to date!
So much of that is due to your amazing guests, and y'all giving them space to share.
The whole episode is just a delight!
Thank you #TheExpanse and Ty & That Guy and Shohreh and Cara. This show and the books and the writing and the portrayals will be taught in literature, story telling, and social studies Zoom classes for centuries. Congratulations! All of you are Greek! #Breakthrough
Wow... Shohreh sharing that she was taken to task by Avasarala for dressing girly and letting her hair down during the debate with Nancy reveals how deeply she went with the portrayal of one of the best characters ever put on scene.
Then there's Cara.... on my....she's such a gifted actor; because of it, we got an expanded Drummer storyline that's been a gift in itself.
We've been so damn lucky with The Expanse. On all levels, A+ caliber work and creative choices. 💫🌟
this is a great show SF at its very best. I understand it is ending but this will have a fan base for years.
Truly. It's too good not to. It just is.
thank God i found this channel. i just came off S06E06 and needed something for the withdrawal
Well Shohreh destroyed my feelings there at the end :) loved this episode, thank you guys!!
Cara is amazing in how she disappears into her role. Wonderful actor.
The Difference between Nancy Pelosi and Avasarala is that Avasarala actually had a conscience she listened to and a backbone to stand with.
I just about lost it when Avararala and Drummer met face to face. The Expanse is how you write strong female characters, Hollywood. Pay attention.
New subscriber here, this is now my favorite show over Stargate and Star Trek the next generation. How can we keep the show alive and going?
5 years minimum!!!! (in accent!!) Wes and the Ty the best!!!
Great videoo
Love it
My favorite line this season was when Walker, Stewart Hughes says, "Marco he doesn't like me. I intimidate him.... sexually." I lmfao!!!
Walker is by far my favorite new character this season. I wish he was introduced to the show earlier. Great Belter accent and makes a good line great with his performance. He even made the amputation seen funny. Hope he gets interviewed next week or in an upcoming episode.
When he sees Michio’s knife
“Awww!!! Fockin’ ‘Ell!!!!”
@@PHDiaz-vv7yo Absolutely!!! After Michio "removes" the arm he says, "nice work cowboy "?
?? Pretty sure that's what he says. It's hard to make out.
@@scottdorfler2551 He says "nice work cargo" because she was supposed to be transferred to his ship before.
@@bartschaap6236 that makes sense 🤔 his accent is so heavy it's hard to tell.
@@scottdorfler2551 I also didn't notice it the first time, though subtitles could probably help with that
Amazing cast; wonderful show.
Smashing episode with some lovely acting... I hope Amos and Bobbie hooked up
LOL even with all the drama, this is the question that stuck in my mind. You wrote it out loud. :)
I have to assume these follow-up shows were all shot around the time the shooting of the episodes wrapped and the shows had been completed (any post production work was complete and the episodes could be viewed). Were they all shot over a day or two or did they space them out? The cast brought onto these podcasts had to be reasonably available - both physically and in terms of scheduling. They do not feel scripted, thank god. Whoever decided to do these podcasts was brilliant. There is not another series that I recall in which the writers and actors discussed the process of making the shows and the choices made in production. It opens up a whole different perspective. Seeing actors out of character and discussing their characters is fascinating. Ty Franke seems like a genuinely good guy - and he provides an interesting perspective having written the books and then seeing his work turned into a series. I especially liked the previous episode with the other writer discussing working on the scripts. Major props!
This has been great, both the after-show episodes for last season and this, and the rewatches. As for others, there was The Babylon Podcast, about Babylon 5. It was done years later, but Jeffrey Willerth, one of the hosts, was a producer on the show. So, he had the contacts to bring virtually the entire cast and crew in for individual interviews. They did in-depth episode discussions, as well, as Wes and Ty have been doing for the past seasons. The podcast actually went on longer than the five-year run of the show, and is a comprehensive appraisal, both on-screen and behind the scenes.
When Cara Gee crashed the episode that Keon Alexander guested on after episode 3 ("This is for Ashforrrrrrrd!"), she was wearing the same clothes, so I assume they just rotated through the guests and recorded all these in one go.
Cara's performance is so amazing. It'd be so simple to play Drummer as just a hard emotionless empty person... but the way she plays it you see the cost and weight of every decision and sacrifice. I teared up during the "F-you" scene, well written and perfectly delivered.
Cara's language characterization fully represents the way a person that speaks English as a second language in a professional setting, and then seamlessly taking langbelta 🧡
Thank you so much James SA Corey! - and as Shohreh (Madam Avasarala) said, please don’t let this be the end!
THE QUEEN HAS SPOKEN
Before season six started I was torn up between watching it one episode at the time and waiting for it to end and binging it. Then the first episode airs and the youtube notification blinks: Ty and that guy have an aftershow. I almost skipped forward the episode itself just to be able to watch the aftershow. Thank you, guys, not only for the masterpiece that is The Expanse but also for the laughs and the fascinating insights you provided us with on this channel!
I so hope for season covering the final 3 books, if only to see the amazing relationship between these two powerful women continue to unfold.
It was a great episode, plenty of character driven stuff and perfectly sets up the final episode.
The queen has spoken!
so much mutual respect between all 4 people in the room. very awesome to watch guys
Thank you all for a wild ride. Loved every season. I hope we get to see the rest of the Laconia storyline down the line.
The 3 actors are really appealing people who have had great roles on the Expanse. I hope at some point they will also say their characters, what they do, their place - were created by writers. And the actor is to bring what is in the mind of the writer to life. It's symbiotic, when the result is excellent and career enhancing..
It makes me so happy that they love the show as much as us fans. It really means a lot to us how much they care and it reflects in their performances. Top talent, all around!
Amazing! The S6E5 is a master piece👏👏👏 contemporary view of a wide range of leadership👏👏👏and still being a great sci-fi series.
Damn, I love these people, and don't won't to lose them! From the Queen's lips to the Dog's ear.
wow. amazing episode.
Im not crying, youre crying.
Cara Gee was simply amaaazing. what an actor...
I had tingles when avasarela and camina shook hands.
so brilliant.
Shohreh really brought Chrisjen to life. The entire cast of this show did amazing work. Having read all of the books 8 times, (2 times before the show and again before each season) I can't think of another book that has been re-created on screen so well. The team behind this should all receive a collective award for best adaptation of a book in the history of video. It would be called "The Rocinante" and it would be awarded each year going forward :)
Great episode, it really shines through how much everyone loves the show and respects each others contributions to it.
5 more years! 5 more years! 5 more years!
I love these humans so much... I do not want this show to end!