Ty & That Guy - The Expanse Aftershow S6E4 w/ Dan Nowak - Redoubt
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THE EXPANSE AFTERSHOW S6E4
Ty Franck (one half of James S.A. Corey) & Wes Chatham ('Amos Burton' on The Expanse) sit down with Dan Nowak to discuss S6E4 Redoubt
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Drummer is by far the most compelling character this season. Cara Gee’s performance has been top-notch.
I think it is too hard to pick a great character. There are so many great and even subtle moments sprinkled around.
It's amazing how different Cara Gee looks when she's in full makeup. The wild full black eye shadow and her using a much lower vocal register completely transforms her into Drummer with almost no thought that's an actress playing her.
@@MrNorcal81 Truly amazing.
Drummer calling out Marcos publicly was awesome and we all know he will go ballistic over it.
"Here we are, still trying to kill our way to a better tomorrow." That line summed everything up so amazingly well. I think between that and Drummer's "Live ashamed. Die empty" this episode may have some of the best quotes of the season.
Ya, I thought I was the only one on earth that sees that level of objective absurdity. Great to see it used so perfectly.
The call back to Alien and "working class folks in space" was really relevant for this episode. Two different crews making repairs to ships. A medic taking charge of a field situation to do an emergency amputation. The X-Ray has Peaches on overnight watch, doing maintenance tasks. Part of the impact of Alien, and of the Expanse, comes from the believable characters, and a big part of what makes them believable is that they have jobs and spend time (not too much time) on screen working. They aren't just puppets of the plot, and they aren't all princes and billionaires.
This aftershow is so engaging and truly informative. Many thinks to Ty and Wes for sharing both sides of themselves - the professional and their personalities that mesh so well. Also, I'm grateful to Dan whose enthusiasm for the storylines and involvement with the rest of the writers, producers, etc. seems to have driven a great deal of what has been excellent in The Expanse. I'm already planning my black outfits and mourning veils for the end. Sniffle.
"Space is merciless" is a big part of why I like this series. I'd love to see shows doing this more often; I crave a space version of "To Build A Fire" and Naomi on the Chetsumoko is as close as I've seen.
-- Steve
The Martian is kind of like that. Old school SF authors like Heinlein and Clarke used to write space survival stories from time to time, too.
This show is so awesome, just a true example of a tv cinematic masterpiece.. it has touched so many of our lives. I love the writing, and frankly I am like everyone else who just aren't ready to accept that only 2 shows are left. Hopefully we get more. We need to start another campaign to save the show!
Loved the way Michio stepped up to save Josef. That whole depot sequence was heart-in-mouth, and the space-walk cinematography was off the charts.
Watching the coffee cups on the table and thinking, "they must be under thrust".
Probably the single best episode of the entire series. Spending basically an entire episode on Holden's decision the previous week was ballsy as fuck.
I think the best part of it was the conversation Holden had with Naomi. She basically gave her blessing and his refusal to be the one to order the death of Philip.
I hope Philip gets what he deserves. He is an utter bell-end. The actor portraying him does a great job of making him unlikeable>vulnerable>unlikeable. The acting and sophisticated takes on adult psychology in this show are getting better and better. Dominique Tipper's acting keeps going from strength to strength. The show demonstrates that if you give them room, good actors will grow into their characters.
Great moments between Bobbie and Amos, Clarissa and Holden, Naomi and Holden, and Drummer and Michio and Josef. I was blown away by this episode.
How can there be no news about continuation?? It's a top 10 show!
@Beren OneHand Money goes both ways. I’ll most likely be cancelling my prime after the finale. This is by far my most watched show on the platform.
I love the line. "I would think the embarrassment you have made of yourself was enough punishment."
I want to thank everyone involved for making this the best show I have ever seen, and for taking time out of their busy lives to show us how it is put together.
Should Amos, or Drummer every get spinoff series. I would be in heaven.
Pirate. Queen Drummer …
The degree to which these folks are invested in the project is utterly inspiring. This show is in very safe hands.
This story, with this cast, can't be allowed to end. Please tell us you are working on a future for it. Amos needs an offshoot.
Drummer is apparently part of House Martell.
Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken.
Idk if y'all will see this, but:
I'm interested in whether it was a conscious change to the Amos & Holden scene to have Holden not tell Amos the truth about why he deactivated the missile. Unless I'm misremembering, Amos confronts Holden similarly in the book but Holden straight up tells him that it was because Naomi's son was on the ship and that he couldn't bring himself to kill him. Amos understands why Holden would do it but is still like "I can just lock you out of the controls next time so you don't have to carry that burden, because I WILL take and make the shot next time" or something to that affect.
I liked both scenes, but I feel like the book one was stronger because Holden knew Amos well and didn't want to lie to him. He also knew that he couldn't afford to do that again, so having Amos down to do it seemed to comfort him some.
I get that Jim would want to tell Naomi of all people first, but I feel like he shouldn't have kept the truth from Amos!
By this point in the books there's a lot of trust between Amos and Holden.
This is the best show on television. Period. So smart and engaging. The final season is a cracker. So sad it's only 6 episodes but so far the writers have made an exceptional season with such a difficult constraint. Cross my fingers that this show becomes a massive cult classic in the next 5-10 years and we get the final 3 seasons once everyone has gone a little grey.
That would fit the books:)
I like these interviews, but I really hope Ty and Wes do a proper episode recap for Season 6 after this.
Needs more up votes. I have always hoped they would recap season 5 also on this show. Hopefully the 10k views it is getting on the amazon youtube channel gets them up to 15 regular viewers.
I love Wes, great actor, fun guy.
I keep telling people to check this show.. Everything is just so.. deep! It's nothing like I've ever seen.
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I have similar taste in Sci-fi to Nowak. The Expanse is my second favorite fictional universe, just behind BattleTech, because it's so grounded. BattleTech barely beats it because it has NO aliens. Instead, they use the clan invasion to act as the scary/mysterious/and grounded external threat. The Expanse keeps the aliens off screen, which is almost as good.
Sci-fi is cool window dressing, but the really interesting bits in both are the human struggles--Inner Sphere/Sol system politics & the human heart in conflict with itself. I'm looking at you Filip & Holden...
PS
...and Naomi too.
Man, has Dominique Tipper done some excellent work over the last two seasons? YES! Yes, she has.
BattleTech has plenty of aliens, it's just humans kill and eat most of them before they can develop the ability to use tools.
@@lorcannagle That's a fair point. So, I guess, in this scenario humans are the builders & the clans are the aggressors.
I just found this. Wish I been watching longer. I will say at first I did not like Amos but as time went on Wes really has brought that character to life for. He is one of my favorite characters now. Drummer being number one.
It was a great episode. Michio really was impressive in this one. Thank you guys.
Viewer #3 checking in to keep you guys honest, I enjoyed this episode very much, but I am becoming sadder as that final Friday approaches and after that, there is nothing but the void...
What's up #3. I'm #4
Hows it going #4? I'm #2.
@@rocioiribe5841 Hey #4, not much here, just wondering what it'll be like floating around in the void for the rest of time...
The Expanse might be wrapping up, but they could do a spin off show on the rise of Laconia. Fill in the time gap from the books with new viewpoints and stories. Don’t kill the golden goose, this is too good a show! I’d watch a prequel show on the Martian independence conflict as well.
I really hope you guys keep doing these podcasts when the end of the series finally comes.
love this conversation. could listen to this for hours. i do wonder what the process was for the Holden & Naomi conversation.
It’s interesting how much pandemic protocols impacted their process. It’s a testament to their talent and the momentum of their previous work together how well the season came out.
This season is shaping up so beautifully!
The six episode thing was clearly financially motivated, but to hear Ty say that higher ups asked for a cut is really unfortunate and confusing on why/which penny pincher (at Amazon of all places) thought that was a good call.
Meanwhile, they threw mountains of cash at The Wheel of Time, who must've have spent it all on hookers and blow, because they certainly didn't put it into the show.
Amazon likes money. As good as The Expanse is, it's still an expensive, niche show with a smaller audience. Amazon needs content, but not necessarily more Expanse--especially if they can make another, cheaper show that will attract a bigger audience. It's just business.
I'm glad we've gotten as much as we did, at such high quality.
@@wavion2 Mmm. Hookers and blow.
@@ManusDextra I fear you're right...
@@wavion2 Its crazy because I want to read The Wheel Of Time but that show made me want to rethink that decision.
Wes said that it is difficult to work ‘in a vacuum’…
Heh heh heh heh heh
we need season 7 , 8 and 9 ,, .. I think its time for another campaign to SAVE THE SHOW
This was a nice episode and resonated on remote work in the pandemic. I certainly felt it (and lost a job role as a consequence - meh), but the spontaneity of being in the moment in close quarters with a team has been missed
Love these aftershows thanks for doing them Ty and also a thanks to that guy!
Wish i had found out earlier about this post episode interveiwes. Makes the experience even better. Seeing how passionate and thoughtful everybody is a out doing the best possible job.
I am saddened by the views this episode has over on the Amazon youtube channel. I get that they have to share I just wish this podcast remains successful. My most favorite episodes are the ones that are not about the expanse but are about Ty and Wes's infatuation with movies.
All I can think about is how Game of Thrones blew it and the Expanse didn't.
I keep hoping Nerflix will buy Expanse seasons 7, 8 and 9🤞.
Awesome. LOVE the series. Im resding book 2 of the series.enjoying that as well.
This show is amazing, I will miss it so much. I truly hope you adapt the rest of the story
Love hearing about the creative process! Thanks gents!
You guys are so awesome. Will you continue the podcast after this season has wrapped?
Great episode and a another awesome conversation. I hope that everyone who contributed to this show will be treated like a hero in whatever future job they get. Apart from making a great product, it sounds like the experience itself was like a semester at an amazing film school compressed into every week. I'm sure that we have lots of great stuff to look forward to from this creative team. Seriously, imagine you get Dan Nowak's resume and you realize that damn, Ty Franck and Daniel Abraham thought this guy was good enough to write episodes for their show! For their next gig they should all get together with their old buddy George RR Martin and tie up some loose threads in Westeros!
Great episode! Interesting discussion of far ranging topics. Don’t forget to like, subscribe and leave a comment for this video. Show the love for Ty and Wes!
I suppose it might not be great to point out the Elephant in the room..but... I just don.t understand why there are not more views and such here..%*[...
I’d like to see -
The Book of Camina Drummer
PS1- broke down and finally started to read the book series! So the series will only get better no matter what!
PS2 - hard core realistic SF!
They're making a vidja game 'bout Drummer, might be the closest you'd get to that.
"Do we understand why that character is doing what they're doing?" If only the Game of Thrones showrunners had applied that principle in seasons 6-8. Unless they really drop the ball in the final two episodes, The Expanse will eclipse GoT in my heart and mind.
Loving this season you guys!
This convo with Dan was SUPER interesting! Any chance of getting him back to do more kind of series-overview level conversations about the show or SciFi post Ep6?
How can anyone watching this series and the commentary not see it as a goldmine awaiting further investment? It kills me that -whoever higher up- has no vison to see such a bright future ( talented writers/cast) and believe in more, so much more...to do.
Damn, I am going to miss everything about the Expanse guys. I'm watching the new season and these podcasts and I'm feeling it's kind of a eulogy. Yo Bezos, you are actually creating the new space age system wide capitalist society and we are actually funding you, can you not throw some more money for some more episodes for the best sci-fi show ever? Damn you and your stupid creepy laugh.
I'm with Dan here. They are really trying to give the white in Marco's gray to the love for his son, but I don't really see that; he's a serious narcissist, there's no room for empathy or love for anyone besides his insecure empty self. The white in his gray is empathizing with where he may come from, a tough/loveless childhood or a big tragedy early on that made him incapable of caring.
I got Omar Little calling out Marlo vibes with Drummers speech. Like Drummer is out on the streets every day and Marco is a strait up punk, not a man for this town.
I'm sad THE END is near, but I can't wait to see what all these talents do next.. Hope this is like the PayPal mafia of cinema...
This is supposed to be the last season, and you introduced Duarte with only 2 episodes left.
Y'all ain't slick.
It's in the novella.
@@letsgocamping88 Duarte was also in Nemesis Games, but they chose to replace his role with Sauvetere, likely because they were unsure if the show would continue and not wanting to put a face to Duarte until they had a plan. They could have totally left Duarte out of the show until they got a continuation into Persepolis Rising.
Putting a face to Duarte and giving the perspective of Laconia, in my opinion, means they have confidence that the show will continue.
Next show you should have Anya Adams on to talk about her directing episode 604 & 605.
Manbun, Ty! Manbun!
I really didn't see any way you were going to bring the disarmed nuke thread around. Whoever wrote that explanation gets an A+.
Pretty sure the checking the logs and Amos confrontation are in the book
I have a question;
Why are the Rings as big as they are?
You can push a dozen Star Wars Death Stars through a Ring at the same time with room to spare. Just what were the Builder’s sending through these?
I think the explanation will come in the last 2 episodes - so without spoilers you should probably wait for it. It's regarding Naomi's research on the missing ships.
The portals were built to work forever - since they have lasted for millions if not billions of years. Since each portal was being created by local resources at no cost to the builders (their cost was in creating the proto-molecule) they went so big there could never be a portal that was too small. It was the solar systems being linked that paid the cost of creating the portals in terms of materials and energy. IF the portals all had to be the same size (SWAG), they decided to err on the large side. The idea that they would unleash those proto-molecules without consideration of the havoc they could cause on the other end (e.g. the earth solar system) including to sentient life shows the creators were not necessarily benevolent. They were creating an interstellar empire for themselves and, "locals be damned", they were creating an interstellar empire. This included enslaving and mutating local forms of life to their purpose. The British among others were equally ruthless in how they treated less advanced people they added to their empire. A more apt analogy could be local people in medieval Europe finding a roman road or viaduct - and wondering why they went to such extremes to make those roads/viaducts last - not realizing their purpose was to move troops and freight (or water) over long distances over centuries - something the locals could nor imagine.
@@MTerrance Err on the large side, since you can get it at the same price anyway.
That makes sense when your thinking on the long scale. Since perhaps in a few billion years, you might want to move things the size of moons around without having to wait for a total system overhaul. I mean there’s at least one gate that clocks in at 5 billion.
Wouldn't it be great if these guys made the ballad of Halo Jones.
I don't believe Marco is a bad character. Allow me to explain. The person who rises from the ashes and tames a dream into being must necessarily have an edge of Narcissisms to them. He is doing exactly the opposite of what he was taught to do as a child. He goes against the narrative "known to society" that creates a "Belter," that is, someone who hates the Inners and Martians, but none-the-less, accepts their place and hopes for a limited success -- which in belter terms -- means living a slightly more comfortable life than his peers before dying. He would never be accepted as a Martian due to their citizenship rules and culture, nor could he afford to go back to Earth. Indeed, he accepts his identity as a Belter and see's his class as his home. Marco (simply put) is an idealist, with great confidence, abilities and ambition which pours into the Charisma that make people want to follow him. He remains mission-orientated. I don't see him as a psychopath or sociopath that perhaps someone may assume he is at a cursory glance. In Nietzschean terms, he simply has a Will to Power and follows Master Morality. Yes, he will sacrifice everyone around him in order to achieve his goals, but that is the leader who is needed for such a revolution. If he did not have those traits, if he allowed himself to be gripped by pre-logical emotion, or bounded by common morality than he would never have achieved the position that he has and this revolution would never have happened. I believe he does "Love" his son, and his team which is why they are loyal to him. His leadership style is to build a "cult of personality" which is why he can't be undermined by his son or anyone else in public, which is why he reacts so irately. This is why the character is written well, he is that One in a Billion chance of character traits that all perfectly come together to make him who he is. And quite frankly, even if he is killed, he will already have been successful because he brought the Inners and Martians together to see the danger of the Belts continual neglect and will force them to change. Indeed, even if he loses, the Belters will still win and all of his sacrafices will benefit 5 generations from that point who will likely thank him. Also as a side note - Hurling asteroids towards Earth likely means nothing to him other than seeing his plan succeed and his enemies suffer, we can't forget that he does not identify "Earth" or "Earthers" as being like himself, in the same way that the Allies did not see the Japanese as human. It is necessary to dehumanize your enemies so you can carry out strategy.
Hey, if you guys are still doing this after season six ends, you might want to get Andy Weir on at some point. It'd be appropriate, him being a sci-fi author and all. And if you asked him, he just might say yes. He has said yes to people with far les clout.
Where is the new aftershow?
Are those ‘aloe plants’ on the table?
Asking the big questions!😆 They should've just used that little cactus from season one - the one given to Miller's partner.
Or the helix chiefs atomiser to fragrance the room.
That woman wants to be the governor of Medina, not Ceres...
I didn't catch why it's only 6 episodes?
Money!
@@francesrobinson1335 really? Amazon has alot of that..
@@mikaelbrresen983 Yes, they do. But they don't necessarily want to spend it on what we'd like them to. They are greedy and don't care about art. Only $.
@@francesrobinson1335 thank you my friend:)
@@mikaelbrresen983 You're very welcome! I will miss The Expanse. I'll be 68 years old in February. It's one of the very best shows I've ever had the pleasure to watch. The characters - so human, so perfect and flawed at the same time. I will miss them. I'll miss the fearsome beauty of space. The Expanse reveals how it can be done. The right story, the right actors, writers, artists of all kinds. What else can I say?
As if the budget of a show is even noticiable to a multibillionaire. But you know, if he was like acutally I'm using all my money to mitigate climate change, I can't give this show the full season it needs, I would be like " fair" but he's still just hoarding all of our labor and revenue
so happy you started posting these in your channel too so I could unsubscribe from prime xD thanks for the episode 😌
Thanks Dan for the spoiler of episode 5.
goodbye, ty
I am so torn. Love all the new people here for interviews, but missing the top 5 at the end of former episodes. And Clint's shade from the wings.
You guys and/or your guests just can’t avoid spoilers. Not being explicit isn’t enough. All those slight hints or offhand comments say a lot more than you might want. Just sayin. Maybe I’ll come back in a few weeks. Not
can only 6 episodes be considered a season?
What else would you call it? The only other word I can think of that comes close is "mini-series," but that doesn't work because there have already been 5 seasons before this.
@@wavion2 a film? since there are films that are longer than the 6 episodes combined.
@@swozzares the structure of a film is very different though. This does not feel like one film that was split into six pieces. It feels like six episodes, where each episode introduces new problems and resolves them while the greater season arc connects them.
Am I the only one that finds the couch setting awkward and distracting? Ty's nervous fidgeting gives me anxiety. I wish they had filmed these sitting at a table. I know it's not that important but I needed to share.
My legs fidget very similarly to Ty's, especially when I'm exited or hyper focused. For me, seeing Ty's legs behave as mine do is very endearing. I'm not disregarding your perspective, but I am pointing out that it's relative and there's likely less people bothered by the arrangement than you'd imagine.
Nah, you're not the only one, I completely agree. It makes it awkward for both the on-screen people and the audience; you really don't need waist-down for an interview/discussion. Moot point though, because I'm pretty sure they filmed these back-to-back. Cara Gee (Drummer) walked in at the end of the Marco episode, which made me think she was off-camera waiting to film her episode. Plus, Ty and Wes are always in the same black shirt and jeans.
I know it's a running gag, but I get bummed when they make fun of Wes.
The whole Naomi love child thing is ruining the show