Axis red advance fuselages - HUGE performance gains for big foils. Is there a cost?
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- Опубликовано: 3 янв 2025
- I've been using the red advance fuses for a while now and I have been massively impressed by the performance gains they give. They work on every foil I've tried them with but the biggest impact by far is with the 1310. They have turned the 1310 from being quite technical to ride to being as easy to handle as the 1150, but still retaining its benefits of the extra lift and glide at low speed.
IMO they give you much more control than the non-advance fuses, and as such you have to be more precise with your input, so on first use they can appear to be more difficult to use and perhaps to reduce efficiency, but stick with them and once you've dialled them in you'll benefit from the extra level of control they provide.
Thanks Dominic, really appreciate you taking the time to make these videos. Guess I'm buying more stuff ;-)
Sorry dude... It's all worth it though 💸💸💸😂
I had the short red (non advanced) and practiced dock starting for a month, I believe I had my dockstart dialled in but always dropped out after 10-20meters of pumping. No idea what I was doing wrong and I was getting kind of frustrated. Then I watched your video and ordered the short red ADVANCED. The first day out with the new fuse I was doing laps around the float!!!
Ah yeh, and I'm on a 1310 with a 460v2 pump stab and a 75cm mast
Thanks for the video.. thanks to you I bought the ultra advanced.. I think it's a sweet spot for docking and winging on the same setup !
Thanks, would actually like to know if it works for you but already went for the same ultrashort...
@@mp.345 You're gonna love it for sure.
I think you forgot to consider that when you compare the 2 fuselages, the mast position in the rails should be offset so that your foot position is unchanged relative to the front wing. The real difference (I believe) is the "C" frame you're standing on when pumping is stiffer because of the shorter overhang. This would explain the improved control as there's less delay between your input and the response.
Hi Dominic, I agree with most of you statements about loosing up and more control, but the explanation around 8:00 seems a bit misleading. You are not controlling the distance of the fuselage from horizontal position, (demonstrated by the stuck under matchbox). What you really control is the angle of the board, and because each joint is rigid, the fuselage just follows it. So I think the "you have bigger impact with the same input" is true, but probably because the front wing, has smaller leverage (shorter distance from mast) to create resistance.
I absolutely love your content, and my interpretation could be wrong, I'm just also trying to understand which is the ultimate gear, and technique for long pumps. Let the tail-wind be with you ;)
I think what you just said is what I was trying to say 😂😂😂
Great info in this video. I'm an intermediate kite foiler and wing foiler, looking to get into dock starts and flat water SUP pump starts. I'm planning on the 1310, 82 high modulus mast, and 460 pump stab. Would you recommend the advance fuse for someone that is learning to pump and dock start?
The 1310 is so pitch stable that I think it would be ok to learn with the advance fuse, but definitely go for the longest one which is called the 'short' advance
@@dominichoskyns9091 Thank you for the advice! Much appreciated.
I suspect the reason the advanced fuses help with pumping is due to the weight of the mast moving forward 40mm. Can see why the geometry helps turning but not pumping. Imagine adding a 2kg weight to your pump board. Where would be the best place to mount it? I suspect just behind the front foot. Forward weight would help rotate the board down. Thoughts?
Good point, I'm sure that makes a difference as well. All that was just my thoughts on what's happening, its all theory and I'm sure there's more to it than what I've said.
Forward weight?? Do you mean more front foot pressure by standing further forwards on the board? If so that would put you off balance and wouldn't help. My point is that the advance fuses cause each change you make with front or back foot pressure to have more of an effect on the angle of the fuselage because the pivot point is closer to the end of the fuselage which causes a greater angle with the same movement (ie pushing down the same distance with your front foot) than if the mast (the pivot point) it's further back (ie closer to the centre of the fuselage). It amplifies your input movements without you having to be off balance. Hope this makes sense
I agree Mr Floyd. Adrian and others have always said that you are riding/ balancing on the front foil (and I guess to a lesser extent the rear foil).
For pumping motion, when ignoring Material Stiffness, Center Of Gravity and Drag, I believe you could have any whacky mast configuration (i.e. connected right at the stabiliser and it would ride the same).
Hello Dom Thank you so much for the explanation. I have been working lately on my Flat water SUP foiling with my KT Ginxu Dragonfly 105L. I was using my 1150 with the ultrashort fuselage and have not foil up yet but I actually found it more difficult to pump with the 1310 and eventually went back to my 1150. Should I go for the advance short fuselage and re-try the 1310 again. I dont know if my 147lbs has anything to do with it or just poor technique? thank you again
The advance fuse gives a more surfy feel when turning and depending on your style they can make it a bit easier to pump, but they aren’t a game changer for pumping. It’s mostly technique and practice practice practice 🤙
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Hello! Which advance fuselage would you recommend for the ART 1401 for flat water pumping and dockstarts? Thank you for your hep!
Personally I use the advance ultrashort but that’s because I do all foiling disciplines. If it’s purely for dock starts and flat water pumping the advance short is better
Thanks for yet another great video. I am looking to buy a red advance fuselage for dockstart and small boat wakefoil with a 1150. (And later on maybe a 1300 for downwind) Do you think the ultrashort could be a good compromise that still pumps good?
Yes the ultrashort is a great compromise. It actually does everything very well rather than just doing everything sort of ok👍
@@dominichoskyns9091 Great. Thanks for the reply👍
I will order the 1310 but i am still not sure about the stab and the fuse. I want to use it for dockstart and light wind winging (me 86 kg) and would like to get away with one fuse and wonder if the Advance Ultra (as in the middle of your prefered short for pump and crazy for winging) will get me decent pump performance and and still turny winging performance. Or should i get the crazy advanced as i'd rather take a compromise for the pumping than the winging turning performance.
Regarding stabs: I have already the p400......would that be big enough for decent pumping performance?
The ultrashort advance will be the best of both worlds. The p400 is awesome for pumping and will still turn well
which advanced red would you recommend for ladder starting the 1010 in surf?
the advance crazyshort. It gives more control for the start and way more maneuverability when on the wave
Great video. i completely agree with your analysis. I have a Red Fuselage Short and just recently got a Red Advance Fuselage Crazyshort. I love the Advanced Crazyshort. Is it worth trying to sell my original Red Fuselage Short and get a Red Advanced Fuselage Short for like dock starting and flat water pumping? I have been doing some flat water pumping using Foil Drive with the Red Advanced Fuselage Crazyshort and Axis PNG1010 -- it's challenging but I'm getting better. Wondering if I would like the Advanced Short much better than the Advanced Crazyshort for flatwater and dock starting.
If you're wanting to do lots of distance pumping then the short advance is the most efficient on flat water, but of like me you just like pumping around, chasing swell and carving it up then the crazyshort is best as it adds so much more maneuverability. You'd be surprised how much difference there is between the two. I can pump the short advance much further than the crazyshort advance but I wouldn't dream of using the short advance for winging
Sorry but I think don't get the angles thing in your demo.
For a given angle, the front wing travels farther down from the base of the mast with the classic than with the advanced fuse, that's right.
But I adjust my equipment to have a sweet position of the front wing in relation to my feet and not the base of the mast. With this in mind, I'd have to move the mast forward if I change from classic to advanced fuse and won't get the effect you describe.
(Also I would get that same effect keeping a classic fuse but moving the mast further back)
I think the better surf feel comes from being able to pivot easier on top of the front wing (in addition to the carving motion). The mast is like a fin, the further back it is from the wing, the more it opposes the pivoting.
It's not obvious wether this explains well the angle and stalling part, but I guess it could if the rider is skilled enough like you are, as a tweaky recovery from a bad timed pump could be easier?
All this is just guessing out of my brain though, has I haven't tried advanced fuses...
(Maybe we could have this conversation over FB in the dockstart group, I'd make some drawings)
I've just watched it back again and I agree that instead of saying the 'angle' that you change, I should have said the amount (or distance) that you move the board down (or up) around the pivot point, ie the mast position. Assuming each time you push down with your front foot you move the nose of the board down the same distance each time, when the mast is further forwards it will tilt the fuselage more than if the mast is further back. This is what I meant by the advance fuses being more sensitive to your input. The same movement from you (the rider input) will change the angle of the fuselage more because the mast is further forward. Its the same principle as moving a pivot from the mid point towards one end of a lever. The closer the pivot is to the end of the lever the bigger the difference between how far each end of the lever moves. Because of this, the advance fuses are more sensitive to rider input - they cause a small movement from the rider to make a bigger change to the angle of the fuselage. Ultimately this gives you a greater level of control, but it also follows that you need more skill to be able to control such high levels of sensitivity. I hope this helps to clear up any misconceptions I may have caused with my mistake when referring to angles with regards to the rider input
@@dominichoskyns9091 thanks.
So the pump makes the equipment pivot around the base of the mast in your model?
My sensation is that it pivots more around the front wing.
@@nellcpr1419 its all theory and I'm sure there's more to it than what I've said. There's so much assumption going on in terms of how hydrofoils work. The assumption is that the pivot point is directly at the mast, which makes perfect sense, but it's not beyond the realms of possibility that the foil itself has an effect on the pivot point - after all, the chord of a foil also has a big effect on mast position in order for the rider to remain in the same position on the board and maintain balanced foot pressure.
My point is that the advance fuses cause each change you make with front or back foot pressure to have more of an effect on the angle of the fuselage because the pivot point is closer to the end of the fuselage which causes a greater angle with the same movement (ie pushing down the same distance with your front foot) than if the mast (the pivot point) it's further back (ie closer to the centre of the fuselage). It amplifies your input movements without you having to be off balance.
Why should it be pivoting around the mast? When pushing down on your board, the front wing is what keeps your system up and the whole thing pivoting and not sinking. Consider a hypothetical foil with a mast 1 meter behind the front wing, while board and wing stay the same relative to each other. Pivot points gonna be the same, but you'll introduce a lot of flex. And 4cm of aluminium sure does bend quite a lot.
@@JohanFruend up to a point I agree, but not 100%. The advance fuse has a different pivot point to the non advance fuse, and the only difference is that the mast has been moved forwards. If it didn't you wouldn't have to move the mast forwards to remain in the same position on the board. IMO the pivot point is as a result of a combination of the front foil and the mast position. Change one (or both) and it affects the pivot point.
All this is arbitrary because the main point iwas trying to make is that by moving the mast position forwards the effect is that it gives a greater level of sensitivity over pitch control - some people think this makes it more difficult, therefore they think its not as good. My point was to try to explain that the extra level of sensitivity is actually a good thing when you have the skill to control it, therefore to dismiss it as not being as good is not necessarily true
Argh! My credit card is starting to smoke! Thanks Dominic, just in time for Christmas!
How do you find them with the Hps foils?
They make the hps foils feel a bit more surfy and are more reactive to turning input. IMO a big improvement
Thx for the video... So when do u use advance short and when do you usd adv crazy short?
Short for dock starting and flat water pumping. Crazyshort for everything else
Hi, nice video. Then if my normally dock day is for cach some tiny wave with the 1310, can be great change to short advance fuse?
Yes the advance short fuse will really help with this. It will make it easier and will feel nicer 👌💯👍