Building the Toyota 4A-GE!
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- Опубликовано: 11 июл 2024
- In today's video we're taking a look at a customer's Toyota 4AG engine we're building. This particular engine isn't an all out crazy build, but we'll touch on some of the things you could do if you wanted to get the max out of this little engine from the 90's!
CHAPTERS:
0:00 - Intro & history
1:42 - Engine block
4:20 - Crankshaft
6:52 - Engine bearings
7:35 - Engine block machining
9:49 - Oil pump gears
11:39 - Connecting rods
12:00 - Pistons
13:20 - Intake manifold
13:45 - Engine management
14:10 - Cylinder head
14:52 - Camshafts
17:50 - Headwork
19:42 - How to go big!
20:53 - Conclusion
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This dude is serious, if I win the lotto, I'm going to him
Better go with the guy at Tec Art who are the responsible of keeping up Keiichi Tsuchiya AE86
Or just buy a 2zz-ge engine and be the same as a built 4age
@@Carlos.Rivera Not better than motoiq
XD 100% In Him
@@juddy953 exactly !!! 190 hp right out the box
Always nice to see videos on the good old 4A! I'm currently building 4A-GZE for my AW11 MR2, parts are harder to come by especially in Europe, but MRP has great stuff indeed and I've already bought couple of things from them.
I was about to type basically this exact comment! Except from NZ
Once I have sorted our my parts I have a couple of intake parts for the 4agze if anyone is interested
Could you please share MRP website .. Thanks a lot
Thanks so much Mike for sharing your knowledge on the 4A-GE! I'd love to know more about building a 20v silvertop or blacktop too! (And 7A-GE etc!)
A lot of this knowledge is lost with the forums going down. Thanks for preserving it for the next generation who loves these cars/motors.
I ran a 20v in my mk 2 Ford Escort panel van 20 years ago and I'm about to restore it. Would love a build video on the 20v too.
Back in the day I had a Geo Prizim GSI with a 4AGE. I remember putting a on a set of dual Mikuni 44mm carbs on it. Sounded so good!
I absolutely love your naturally aspirated engine builds! Thank you for your help last year with advice for a clutch and flywheel for my AP1 S2000. I have really enjoyed the ACT clutch and flywheel. So nice having an ultra lightweight billet flywheel.
Glad to help!
Absolutely LOVE the 4age content! Really love your experience and expertise with these series of engines.
The knowledge and experience in these videos humbles me every time, I hope the tuning industry isn’t dead by the time I learn
Thank you for sharing your knowledge. This is really great stuff and should be archived for future generations to know what a real tuner is.
The 4AGE 20V blacktop motor was the epitome of the 4AGE series of motors.
I loved my 20V back in the day.
Yup that the one. When that thing breaths at 9000 rpm it makes your spine tingle.
My first car was a Toyota Corolla Twin Cam (series 1) 86kw . Eventually got a bearing knock and I fitted a 100kw import series 3 engine, huge difference and I couldn’t break it 😂. Dave Repsold here in South Africa is a legend with these. Awesome videos man
ive got a AE92 coupe which i manual swapped and put a blue top 4AGE from an 86 MR2. i rebuilt the 4AGE before hand, new pistons, bored 82mm, decked with the TRD 0.8mm head gasket, HKS 272 intake and exhaust on adjustable cam pulleys, stand alone ignition (no distributor) and two weber DCOE 40s and straight piped with stainless headers plus a few sort of reliability mods like the MRP timing belt stabilizer and all ARP bolts on the bottom end and the stronger 20v oil pump. it really takes off, i put 91-93 octane (north america) and have the ignition timing up just before knock. great acceleration with no delay!
I love this engine I remember when I was a kid at the Long Beach Grand Prix seeing this beauty in a Atlantic car with side draft carbs sounded so sweet
Even though I feel burns stainless X-Pipes are a tad expensive, this video hits all the right buttons for me. Toyota, nostalgia era, itbs...
I really appreciate the FX16 call out! Great video and info.
Thankyou for the information...Im a 4AGE enthusiast from Sabah Malaysia...and this video is a refresh ...I have been playing this engine from the early model till the 20v blacktop
yeshhhh fellow Malaysian!
Great information! Thank you for sharing.
I've seen 4A-GEs' of many flavours pushed to the outer limits in the NZ, Australian and South African tuning scene. Those guys swear by the 4A-GE motors.
Great to see such a detailed analysis of this motor.
really cool video
This is great. Oem stuff was good for back in the day builds (club4ag era). These days we have more and better tested stuff to use where old oem parts can take the backseat.
I love how you guys just have knowledge.
Great video. Hard to believe they’re a 40 year old design now! They sound so great, and were and still are a staple at every motorsport event in about any configuration you can imagine, as a 2A-GE for example.
I have a soft spot for these (having owing 3 AE82 FX-GT and an AE85 with a 20v back in the day).
They’re fragile alright, I’ve run bearings a few times in the bigport motors without the external head drain like the smallport has.
Great to see NZ companies and guys like Garage 4age keeping them alive too.
It's hard to find core parts now days.
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Been playing with the 4ag's for 26 years now, such a awesome engine!!
Im so glad I found your channel. A true car nerds dream!!!!!🤓
Awesome video, thanks.
Thanks Mike, a friend had a AE101G Corolla BZ touring wagon with a 5th gen, great little engines.👌
Very cool!
You got yourself a sub! Thanks for this!
Nice video, lots of great info here. I would like to add that the issue with oil pumps themselves are in the early gen pumps with square edged gears, later pumps (silvertop 20v is considered the better option) are great off the shelf for majority of builds. The problem with breaking gears on the bigports pertains to oil Cavitation. The head only has an oil return in the centre of the head on the exhaust side. Under high rpm and cornering forces, oil tends to get trapped in the head for a little too long which effects the pickup volume at the sump. The smallport engine has addressed this with an additional oil drain from the rear of the head down to the block amongst other efficiency upgrades. The bigport has the provisions for these drain ports to be machined for fittings by a skilled tech.
We restrict the oil flow to the head down to about 2mm. This lubricates the valvetrain fine but prevents pumping all the oil to the top.
Wasn’t expecting this one. ❤🔥
Moto IQ got the best information. You guys should have at least a million subs!!!! Aloha from Hawaii.
Hahaha we wish, the youtube would seems to like stupid car entertainment more than what we do.
Man I loved this video! I owned an AE86 for 4 years (and I want back in one soon) and I love hearing the modern take on 4AGEs! Most of the info online are from 2006 which is probably outdated by now so I really appreciate this advice! If you have a chance I'd love to hear about 7AGE builds too!
We want to do a 7AGE video soon. Actually its probably going to be a 9AGE but the info is almost the same.
@@motoiq WHOOOAAA that's going to be even better! I can't wait to see it!
@@motoiq 9AGE🤌
Yes 7AGE that is interesting, 4AGE blocks are getting rare
Love these videos! 😁
Glad you like them!
It's great for the beginner and novice builders. Great for it's generation.
Man, Mike just has an aura that promotes joy and happiness
Great video!!
Thanks!
Great informative video! My Redtop 86 has been sitting for 12 years with blown rings who knows what else. And family took precedence over trying to build my 20V Silvertop 13 years ago... I guess I should really get on it, HAHA.
Get on it before parts become even harder to get.
i have a ae92 FXGT 1987. FwD but with a 20v blacktop swap. I LOVE a good 4age there quite neat
love this stuff! do a video on 1JZGTE engines!
been buying 4ag parts from MRP for decades, so happy to see them mentioned on vids like these :)
what is MRP?
@@wolfmelonpan5858 Manon Racing Products, 4age parts manufacturer in New Zealand
@@jacksonlin4934 thanks! a bummer they're in NZ, i live in the EU and i'd love to get my hands on a 4AGE or an AE86...
i am the proud owner of a toyota corolla ae86 1984 Euro edition Levin and i love my car and i have my 4AG 16v turbo
Hey now! Have an AW11 that I’ve bringing back to life with its 4age.
Mike?! Steve Neill here! Happy to see such a well-educated OG on YT in my recommendations!
i love 4A-G engines!!
4AG is legendary. Hasselgren made some monsters for Formula Atlantic
Crower engine parts are insane. My dad built a 65 stang with crower rods and high nickel boss block that revs to 8k rpm. Hope to build my own engine some day like he did. I’m 30 and making enough money to support myself but not much extra. Hope to someday have a fun car of my own.
Good little engine!
2ZZ-GE gets me a tad more excited.
babe wake up new mike video dropped 💕
Thanks for making a video on the engine!
I'll probably put in some of those parts later on (like the oil pump gears), but for now I think it'll be fine for now until I wanna take it to the next step👍
I always love learning more about these engines!
The gears are an absolute necessity!
@@salloroc20 Did some more research, I'll get it for the next time I do something big.
My budget is a little slim though, still in school😅, I think I'll be ok for now though for street driving.
don't wanna be one of those people who end up blowing the engine in a week :(
Love the 4AG! Save the 16 valve!
It’d be awesome if he’d talk more about other Toyota 4 cylinder engines.
I’m looking to build a 3ZRFE
i build an 7A-GE. Immortal Engine, 7AFE Block with 4AgE head its a must !
Great video, great information!! Awesome work!! Have you guys ever messed with 7ag builds?
About to build one soon, look for the video.
@@motoiq subscribed my friend, looking forward to it!!
I’d love to hear about your time with TRD and working in the Formula Atlantic series and these 4age cars
Elsewhere in these comments, it is said that ""people put these in those 4wd Tercel wagons."
That's true, I did it, but it is harder than you think. A 4age block will bolt right to the tercel trans, but there are other problems.
The accessories are one..the different head and timing belt cover were a factor. Not too bad, though.
The cooling system is a bit weird if your donor car is an mr2 (like mine), especially if using the larger mr2 radiator.
The starter ended up being an mr2/Tercel hybrid, out of necessity.
The tercel flywheel will not fit the 4ag crank (8 bolts vs 6) and the mr2 ring gear will not go in the tercel trans. I turned down the 4ag flywheel to accept the smaller ring gear. Used part of a bad 4ag crank as a mandrel. You must remove the ring gear from a tercel flywheel intact. They aren't sold separately.
Now the mr2 clutch won't fit in the tercel trans. Almost, though. Grind/cut inside of bellhousing, it works. Fortunately, the input shaft splines match the mr2 disc.
The tercel clutch cable interferes with the mr2 exhaust (now on the left). Tried many cables, I think the one that worked was from an old accord or prelude.
I made a manifold, and ran it on gsxr-1100 carbs. Got them to work beautifully, like EFI. It even got good mileage. However, they are on the small side for a 1600 motor, and despite looking cool, it limited power at high rpm. The ignition used with the carbs was MSD with timing controls, as there was no ECU at this time.
I then put the mr2 EFI on it. The manifold didn't fit under the hood...cut & weld that.
The tercel fuel pump was engine driven, and low (carb) pressure. So..weld ring into tercel fuel tank and fab bracket for that, to use the stock mr2 pump. Make fuel lines.
The throttle body points at the firewall now, requiring some ingenuity to connect it nicely to a large air filter..
The exhaust comes out the wrong side. Making a complete 2 1/4" exhaust for this was actually pretty hard..the unibody had room for a small exhaust only on the right side.
The trans input shaft for the Tercel has a thin area, looks weak, but did not break, and I was abusive to it.
The trans gear ratios were not well suited to the 4ag..you better rev it to 7500+/- rpm, or ot drops "off the cam" for a moment after an upshot. This made it either sort of slow, or moderately fast if you "whup on it".
I estimated than mine may have been 150 hp, maybe. Wiseco pistons, head work, high compression, nice intake/exhaust. Stock cams.
This did not make for a real fast car after a LOT of work- almost as a direct result of this, I now have an LS2 in a volvo wagon....I highly recommend this. 400 plus torquey, reliable hp..it's a blast. I think the volvo v8 swap was easier, and I made everything..engine & trans mounts, exhaust, driveshafts, etc.
I have seen others who have claimed to do the 4AG tercel thing, but their pics showed only a long block in the car, clearly not running. Please comment if you have, or have seen another one.
Definitely not as easy as it first appeared, I was tricked by the in-common "A" family engine.
I drove it thousands of miles this way, my main car for a few years. Still have it, haven't run it for 10 yrs. It is red like Jesse Pinkman's of Breaking Bad. Haha maybe it's valuable! It is unique.
Please do a SR20VET break down video like these. Love the indepth analysis.
That is coming eventually. We are gonna do one for Martin's race car.
Thanks for the Tech Info,
The 7A-FE Block is 15mm taller and is a great choice for high revving 4A-GE builds and improves "Rod/Stroke ratio", 4A-GE Head bolts directly on the 7A-FE Block
Where did your read this?
MRP has all the parts to do it, its is sort of common knowledge. www.mrpltd.co.nz/product-category/automotive/4age-performance/
@@bajanboyhood it's been on the internet forever... type 7A-GE engine
@@kamperformance5281 there also exists the 9AGE engine using 2ZZ bottom end in 7AGE setup
@@Videoswithsoarin the idea was to use a 1ZZ crank in a 7AFE block (bored out to 83mm) with a 4AGE head... but it requires so much machining and stuffing around that it's not worth it and never has been.
Re using a 2ZZ, the 2ZZ crank has less throw than a 7A crank, so it's not a valid path to the "mythical 9AGE".
Please stop sharing bad information.
Wow... I have a lot of years spent enjoying my AW11 with its 4AGE... Though, it certainly was not powerful, it was rev happy and was pure bliss at 6600rpm... It felt like my AW11 was floating on a road of silk.
Any chance you could do a similar video for the 3SGE? :)
I just watched your LS build video. Great timing Mike and Moto IQ crew!
Glad you liked it!
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High VE 81mm x 77.4mm FTW!! 🍻
might hopefully be getting a Prizm GSi eventually, I'll probably leave it stock but if I get the itch, I could do something cool with it
4age is extremely reliable. One of Toyota's best engine. Engine is definitely not weak. Got both 16 valve and 20 valve.
sure if you leave it stock
Mike could explain anything to me and I'd smile
Sushpants and Garage4age have great 4AGE content.
This video is absolutely amazing would it be possible to get a full parts list I would love to put one of these together my self
No, sorry
awesome video. i love the way a 4age sounds when its wound out and the formula atlantic 4age's are just unreal. would be cool to see you go through a toyota 2rz or 3rz build. i have seen a few with 4 digit power numbers with a stock block and crank. looks to be a solid platform.
That would be cool!
More 4a/7age content please
I am building a really clean del sol at the moment and would love to see a how to build a Honda d series
4A-GE engine is the most memorable creation for Toyota.
Such soothing voice (like asmr) to listen for hours! Do you have an opinion on 3SGTE? I would like to see if your video will talk about building 3SGTE :D
Not yet but working on it.
I knows it not popular, but maybe an article or video on the vw 07K? In terms of short comings in the OE and ways to maximize performance
would love to see a video on the new 86 engine the fa20d
2zz next please
Would love to see a video analysis of the MX5 B Series motors!
That is coming but down the road.
Really cool interesting stuff here 👍🏻👍🏻
I wish to see the MZR/Duratec engine
Great engine just not much support.
@@motoiq
I see, thanks for the response and all the great content 👍🏻
keep going
Trying to get the project rolling on my 95 Corolla want to learn and swap it to 7age fwd monster
Man I'd love to have you build a modest big port for my SCCA race car but I'm almost afraid to ask, bet it's not cheap!
5:57 🇳🇿 MRPNZ Legend!
Do an episode on the 20v 4AGE pls...
Maybe we just got lucky but we ran 270kw in a turbo setup with a KE20 rolla with standard crank and block. The rest was all forged (ceramic coated & shot peened pistons) and head was well worked. Crank never died, tho we never stressed it too hard cept when at the runs which we pulled almost a 10sec pass without slicks (think was a mid 10) .....we got kicked off the track cos we didnt have a tailshaft loop or rollcage. (it was an ae92 red top motor so i guess was 3rd gen ? )
Turbo is easier on the engine than NA and drag racing is easier on the engine than track days!
Would be cool to see you talk about the Toyota 3S engine as well.
We just did a couple, we should have done a video!
I said this exact thing last week 👍👍keep on putting 3s requests up bro
When are you going to do an H22-H23 video I remember you saying you are a Honda guy!
Perfect video to see during my 5age build lol hks stroker for .1 more litre 😂 my 7a on the other hand that should make some power…. And my 9a…. It should be wild
@motoiq and Mike, can you do some videos on how to build a 3SGTE?
Sooner or later we will
Its 2023, and we are still stalking about 4ag.
Long live 4ag!
I had 93 4agze with a turbo in an old corolla that was 172kw at the wheels and had the rev limit set to 8200rpm which was so reliable i put 80,000ks on it in the end the end the ring landings cracked due to a bad tune
I’d love for him too do the Volvo redblock engine the b21 if he knows anything about them 🙏🏻
Please do a video like this for 2TGEU!!!!!
Did you recomend to install oil cooler for a 4age red top build
Love Na builds since people rarely do them anymore more. did an all-motor 6g72 with 13:1 compression and 272 cams with an LS intake adapted to the 6g72. With very similar built bottom end and built top end. Just a weird all-motor v6 build. lol
turbos are cool and all but NA engines have character to them. turbo seems like a cheap and dirty way to make power to me but to each their own
That’s awesome, people tend to overlook the 6g7x series of motor but they put down some impressive numbers
I’m in the process of building a 6g75 all motor for my ce lancer
@@svent9238 my 6g72 is using some 6g75 parts and Gm LS parts. Mainly the 6g75 intake plenum adapter that lets you put on a holley efi intake hat from an Ls 😂
@@svent9238 and bro the 6g72 has a killer bore×stroke ratio for a high rpm na build. 91.5mm bore and 76mm stroke. So a serious oversquare situation.
@@az_3kgt714 I just subscribed to you channel bro, We didn’t get many 3000gt here in aus so will be pretty sweet to see someone build one.
cant wait for a 4G63 build
16v for life
hi just wanted to know if u guys can make a video about the 20V beams Eengin and upgrades that u can do to it.
The Beams engine is a 16v 3SG 2000cc engine. The 20V is the 5 valve variant of the 4AG.
Please do how to build a 2uz fe
Please do a SR20 video like this!
Brother, I am from South Africa and have a few 4A-GE engines, I have one putting out 515HP on a stock crank and stock Series 2 rods and a stock head with no rev kit and is not flowed, only thing we did is stronger pistons that is it, never had any oil pump, crank, bearing and block issues what so ever. I am more that willing to share the build photos and dyno videos, at the moment our best time is 10.83sec on the 1/4mile
If you run it for more than 10 seconds at a time it won't last very long. Also turbocharging stresses the engine less per hp than NA
@@motoiq It has been holding up for over a year now, so I guess I am lucky lol, I did not mean to argue with you was just saying what mine is doing. 🙂
@@motoiq Also, do you know how they do VVT conversion on the 16V? I have seen it before on @garage4age but cant seem to get ahold of them
How high do you rev it?
Not sure other than running a 20V head. I don't think there is a lash up of OEM parts that would make this simple.
Craftsman right here
Can you do a 3sgte video? id love to hear your thoughts on the engine.
It's a decent engine, just not much support for it.
Where is Driving 4 Answers?!
Can you do a video on the Alfa Romeo Nord Bielbero engine?
Probably not.