@@max_rn5465 only possible until the 29th, because if they don't announce there's one coming by then, there won't be one, because they always give advanced notice.
That or they can just give us more to work with, though maybe that now fairies are nerfed to the ground, if the meter was brought back as is, more people would actually use the potions like they did in ALBW
Have the Magic Meter function like the Stamina Meter and slowly refill by itself over time, but give us the ability to craft potions that refill it much faster.
@ALongLeggedPissedOffPuertoRican Like in almost every Zelda Game up to A Link Between Worlds. For Example: Zelda 1 - Flute. Zelda 2 - Flute. A Link to the Past - Flute. Link's Awakening - the entire plot. Ocarina of Time - do I even need to say it. Majora's Mask - Ocarina plus masks. Oracle of Seasons/Ages - Rod of Seasons/Harp of Ages. Wind Waker - of course. Twilight Princess - Wolf Howling and Horse Whistle. Skyward Sword - Goddess Harp. A Link Between Worlds - Bell.
Yeah, what about the VS Seeker and the Bike? Hey, what about field moves? I'm not even talking about HMs, those were awful the way they were, but about things like Dig, Sweet Scent - you know, the weird stuff. The fun stuff that you also weren't forced to use but that you could have if you wanted to. I don't want to lug Escape Ropes around with me everywhere I go, and they're expensive as it is, so I'll just sell them and have a Dig user in my party - oh wait, can't do that anymore. What if I want to just cut down all of the grass in one area? Yeah, Cut was an HM, but it could have been retooled into a regular field move that regained its pre-Gen 4 effect of getting rid of grass. How many times in Sun and Moon did we have to go through random patches of grass that weren't worth the use of a Repel? Cut could have been a useful *optional move* there, but nope... I haven't played USUM, so my question is this: did they add field move functionality back in?
If they do bring back the magic meter they should have it slowly refill by itself but also give the player the option to craft potions that fill it faster.
Magic is definitely one of the main things I want back in the next big console release Zelda game alongside Magical Items. That, actual themed Dungeons, the ability to go underwater, and Items (includes making things like Boomerangs, Rods, and Bows move back into that column and don't break). Boomerangs and Rods were the most useless weapons on Breath of the Wild because the Boomerangs were just poorly implemented into the schematics of the physics engine and can break, so it just made them feel incredibly pointless to even bother keepin' around. While Rods only have a few uses (between 8 and 14 depending on the "tier") and if you ever accidentally bump them up against anything, they shatter on contact, as if they were made of thin glass. Not only that, but the Elemental swords wound up invalidating the mere existence of the Rods on Breath of the Wild, which made the Rods even more pointless, poorly designed, and implemented. Also, a game where they do a Fantasia/Sorcerer's Apprentice type thing with Link would be a neat direction to take a new game.
During its actual uses, sure. But you're safer with the elemental sword versions of the same elements since you get more uses and better durability compared to the rods.
If the meter does ever return, I want Link to use actual spells again. Zelda 2's magic meter made the most sense to me because Link used actual spells not floating on a Leaf that drained it. Yes, Ocarina had Spells too. Din's Fire and the other Goddess Spells are actual Spells, but I'm also a little biased because I don't like Ocarina.
The leaf was a bit of an odd choice for a magic use item. Infact he's had it replaced with a like a parachute type thing in game since that didn't use magic.
I’d call the medallions in A Link to the Past spells too. A case could be made for the cape, rods, and canes also drawing their power from their user, although the rod in Link’s Awakening didn’t. The powder and the lantern don’t make nearly as much sense in that regard, though.
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I just thought, it was an annoyance. I think it was handled well in A Link between Worlds because it refills over time and stronger items use more of the stamina. But in A Link to the past, it was fine too because only some items used magic.
@@eliasklein2580 It was absolutely horrendous in ALttP, becuase it decreases so quickly even with the upgrade and it is required to progress many times. Having to exit Turtle Rock, get magic potions from the witch and go through Turtle Rock all over again just because you ran out of magic on Trinexx, a boss that seems to be specifically designed to make you run out of magic, just isn't fun. Part of the reason why I'm not a huge fan of ALttP. Good game, but has a lot of stuff I hate.
He’s appeared in 4 games: - Greenhouse (G&W) - DK3 (arcade) - That weird Japanese PC sequel to DK3 that was unearthed recently - DK3 2 Player Game & Watch version, different gameplay than the arcade I’d say he’s worthy of a Missing in Action episode!
16 years since its last inclusion in a non-remake. In its first appearance each block was 16 magic points, spooky. Also I thought it was interesting how there IS an oil meter in twilight princess, which is used for the lantern, an item that in its first appearance used magic. I wonder if that's relevant, was it originally going to use magic instead? Edit: Also I would assume that if magic was in breath of the wild, it would have been for your divine abilities, which actually somewhat resemble magic from some other zelda games, like Din's fire and Nayru's love.
Tbh I agree. Doesn’t feel like a Zelda game without the magic meter. And with this new one that recovers over time makes the games seem too easy. That was the whole point of the green potion, and also to be prepared for anything. Blue potion was literally a last resort
@@ramonronquillo4144I think they should have a magic meter that slowly refills over time but have craftable potions that refill it faster. That way there is challenge but players don't get stuck or have to backtrack because they're out of magic.
@@Random1567 kinda. But the only one that felt like a proper attack spell was the lightning, and that was so OP it kinda sucked the fun out of it. I loved ravalis gale tho
@Badarm All of them were OP! Mipha's Grace completely removes the need to cook meals for health. Revali's Gale removes all challenge with climbing and stamina management. The Goron defense kinda get in the way and quickly wastes itself on any consecutive low-power attack that your regular shield would block just fine. I disable them just to keep the game challenging enough. Love the game but that's probably my biggest gripe with it.
I kinda hate the stamina bar and find it rather annoying at least how it was in Skyward Sword, with having to climb to flower to flower. But as far as ammo system I find it completely fine and don't get why it was removed , it wasn't really a problem to buy a green or blue potion to prepare for dungeon or what not.
I haven't played a LoZ game in a long time but I remember Twilight Princess having armor that made rupees magical- you gradually lost rupees as you wore the armor. Would've been easier on the wallet if Twilight Princess had a magic meter just for that item.
I think Maybe the Magic meter(in Breath of the Wild) would have been used for more magical items early on such as the Elemental Rods and/or Arrows(having them consume regular arrows and Magic), Early Runes, Champion abilities, or something completely different that isn't in the final game
I believe the magic meter is a from of limitation that, while it feels good to use, can be improved upon. Instead of one universal statistic that determines how much you can use all forms of magic, every item can have its own way of balancing itself. This requires substantially more effort, but it allows for the benefits and drawbacks to a magical item to be designed around in a way that's catered specifically to it, rather than all magic spells being designed to adhere to one universal magic meter.
While I understand what it evolved into, I wish one of the new Zelda games would make Link a mage. ie: similar to some RPG's, there's a fixed point at which Link would gain magic and learn his most basic spells (let's say Fire, Thunder and Ice) but it's up to you to explore and discover more spells and upgrade the ones you already have (let's say Heal, Barrier, Meteor, Mjolnir and Blizzard).
I feel like a magic meter inspired by the energy gauge from ALBW could be an interesting feature. However, a system like that of the champion abilities in BotW might be its successor.
I think it could come back but it really needs some form of regeneration, even If it's just too a certain amount. Kinda like how certain games handle health regen.
Considering I've been in the middle of a shrine and had a weapon break (which I needed to complete the shrine), I know how frustrating running out of magic would be. That being said, there are plenty of options for managing resources: consumables, drops, reduction granted by armor or power gained throughout the game. I don't think there's anything inherently wrong or cumbersome about a magic system if done well.
I actually miss the Magic Meter. I greatly prefer it over the Stamina Bar as the MM was essentially a simple little managment system that required you to pay attention to all of your actions that required its use to not over do it otherwise you will be rendered useless for a fight. There was something satisfying about collecting all those green bottles, making green potions, and upgrading the bar to make it bigger.
for real, guys... wur da majik at? _Zelda_ has always been a fantastical, magical world, so why get rid of Link’s magic? I didn’t like all the emphasis in _BotW_ on science and technology... like they could’ve done everything the same, but just say all the Sheikah technology is powered by magic. I wouldn’t like it if the various elemental arrows used up magic, but it would make sense for using the Sheikah Slate runes... you could refill you magic meter with food or elixirs, and upgrade it by defeating Guardians. each Shrine could have a Sheikah Slate charger at the entrance so you would never run out in the middle of the puzzle. also, I really miss instruments and songs and other quasi-magical elements like that in the later games... _BotW_ could’ve really used a ‘Sun’s Song’ to make it stop raining every once in a while.
I like the magic meter only for the magical items that came alongside it. The meter itself was a hindrance, but items like the deku leaf, light arrows, and fire/ice rods made it better. I liked when my fire&ice rods didn't break.
It’s annoyingly to have to have consumables to use for a magic meter. Bosses would have to supply these things in some way which kind of wrecks the battle imo. The stamina meter refills which is definitely much better. Though it really does need to have upgrades because Skyward Sword’s stamina meter never lasted long enough while BotW’s stamina system worked really really well with permanent and temporary upgrades.
The simple solution would be to have the magic meter refill slowly over time but then give the player the option to craft potions that refill it faster. Also permanent and temporary upgrades for the magic meter. That way is the player runs out of magic during a fight all they have to do is wait for the magic meter to refill by itself or if they really need magic right now they can quaff a green potion that they crafted beforehand and refill it instantly.
Botw may not have a magic meter anymore but I definitely think it has its own form of magic with the champion's abilities, Elemental weapons, the ancient technology but magical feel of the runes like being able to stop an objects in place. Personally I like these more because they all have their own separate duration, cooldown and ammunition rather than being tied down to one thing.
The magic meter requiring consumables to refill makes any object requiring magic an optional ability. You're supposed to be able to beat the game without ever using it. Magic objects become temporary power ups. This prevents developers from making puzzles requiring magic because a large number of players would inevitably run out of magic right in the middle of the puzzle and loose a lot of time going on a scavenging mission to refill the bar before being able to make any new attempt. ... Or devs have to provide some conspicuous way to refill magic right in the puzzle room : giving away an enormous hint about how players are supposed to solve the puzzle. And it also means that players are discouraged from using magic whenever they don't absolutely need it, just in case... so the magic object becomes underutilized. Removing the magic meter and having the magic object refill automatically (either through the automatically refilling magic bar or through an independent cooldown) solves both issues in one single move.
A bit ironic how while watching the video I forgot it was a Gamexplain vid until near the end. The VO and presentation definitely contributed to that though not that it's a bad thing or anything.
I kind of miss the magic meter. I always remember the three types of potions and after it was gone, it just felt like something was missing. I also remember seeing it on the back of the TP box and thought it was in the game.
This is something i was thinking about for a while. What you said was basically also my conclusion: the magic meter solely existed to keep Link from spamming his more "unique" items, which were usually magic. Though throughout the series they started to give Link more and more unique abilities that required a finite resource to balance, but these abilities oftentimes were not even magical in nature. So it seemed as having the resource be called a "magic meter" seemed too specific for the abilities that used it. This first seemed apparent in Wind Waker where the Deku Leaf used the magic meter despite not making entire sense. They decided to change the resource to stamina, as it is more vaugue and therefore more adaptable to be used on more abilities. The recent trend for Zelds games to focus on traversal more also made it a more obvious decision to change. The magic meter didnt dissappear, but it instead evolved to stamina. It even has the same color. Also magic still exists in the series despite the more technological focus the games currently have. Magic just uses stamina or another resource. In ALBW they used the energy bar like all other items. In BOTW there was no distinction between magic and regular weapons based on the resources they used, instead the difference was just in how the weapons interacted with the environment and enemies. With Fire burning wood/staggering enemies/etc Electric paralyzing/disarming enemies, and Ice freezing enemies. BOTW has Magical Fire/Ice/Thunder Rods and their respective arrows. Even the sword, lance, and axe elemental variants are said to be infused with magic. Magic isnt gone, but just implimented differently as the series evolves.
But the Deku Leaf IS magical. It's an enchanted leaf from the forest god that creates huge gusts of wind when swung and can also support the weight of a ten year old in the air despite being too small to accomplish such a task realistically. When you run out of magic it no longer has enough power to keep Link aloft.
Breath of the Wild also had the Champion abilites which were magic attacks on a rechargable gauge. Which honestly was ok with me, but I was just glad to see some super cool magic abilities again. As long as we still have them in some form im ok, its when they don't have anything that makes me a little sad
I miss the magic in Zelda. I think there are better implementations than the magic meter, but I miss Link having abilities that are explicitly magic spells Like spells draining a meter that refills a la stamina would be better than having to find jars to refill it I also kinda dislike stamina, I miss spamming the roll button to go faster lol
Metal Tornado I agree, that would be a good way to do it. I'd also personally like it if there were not just refilling and crafted potions, but also the little magic jars you can find in old games, bc for whatever reason I found it really satisfying to pick those up lol
I was just discussing this a few days ago, funnily enough. I was talking with someone about what we'd like in a potential Breath of the Wild sequel and one of the things I threw out was the Magic Meter to return, since it'd been a while. Though I hadn't realized it's been sixteen years.
If bringing it back means it also brings back more magical items or moves, like Ocarina's goddesses' powers, power-spin, and any other thing that would be too OP if not restricted by it, then yes, I want it back.
The idea behind the Magic Meter isn't a flawed one, acting as an "Ammo" for your spells or magic. Many games have SOME form of this, but Zelda's is the most visually distinct and beloved. I think that they could easily reuse this for later games, but only if they make sure that said Magic is good enough to warrant a limitation. Elder Scrolls has a Mana Meter, but in Skyrim it was just too limiting early on, making many people go for warriors or rogues.
I want the magic meter, spells and magic items to make a return. It would be so convenient to have unbreakable elemental rods. Especially for making fires
Very informative video. I actually never thought the Magic Meter has been gone from new entries for so long. I guess that's what remaking the same game for so many years does to one's mind. :P (Also I recognize that voice. Hey SZ. :P)
I mean it was annoying but it did prevent spamming certain extremely strong attacks like the Light Arrows from Wind Walter & making the game a complete wipe. I actually kinda miss it.
As an accompanied system, it's outdated. Note that in Wild, rupee drops from grass are hugely reduced compared to other entries. Selling cooked drops tended to be a main income source, outside of bog standard adventuring. Stamina taking over it's role for basic things and implementing individual cooldowns for magic-like abilities is akin to the energy meter from recent top-down entries. Arrows are cheap and don't drop from grass, and bombs are infinite. These were likely implemented to disincentivise habitual minutiae of literally spending hours spinning in circles in the middle of plain nowhere for drops and money. However, the champion abilities are the only piece that could be described as true magic. The bombs and general Shiekah bits are more magi-tech. Knowing that, I'd like to see the next entry follow one of two paths: 1. It follows the pure magic route and does away with even basic weaponry outside a sword and uses rechargeable magic for everything, even allowing such magical constructs to change at distance from Link. This could allow for strange things like throwing a magical boomerang, changing it to a solid metal block mid-flight to plunge it into water onto a weighted switch, which reveals a bombable wall next to the switch, so you explode the block. 2. A full tilt into the technological bent, which does away with any and all famicile of magic and puts it in a relatively futuristic setting. Thinking a hypothetical 2040 future. The triforce are chips in a quantum computer, Ganon is a sleazy politician. Just for one game, it could be funny.
If anything it’ll be the energy meter or something similar to that, the magic meter was often thought of as a limit to link or a burden to have to find magic in grass or buying it, for example in a link to the past if you didn’t have or ran out of magic in the part when you went through the sewers there was no real light and it was nearly impossible to see most of the screen. While sad this is seemingly the case.
With the Stamina and Energy gauge system, you're still discouraged from spamming, but you can alleviate it with proper timing and, if need be, items. How I see it is... with Magic, if you overdo magic and need to refill, you just have to hope for some magic potions near by, or carry something on you. There's no guarantee for either. With Stamina or Energy, if you overdo your actions and need to refill, you just have to wait. There's no random chance, there's no "What if", it's just a matter of patience. You can use items in BotW to cut your wait time down, but if you don't stock up, you're not entirely screwed, you're just gonna get to your destination a bit slower.
Shouldn't the real question be about magic abilities? The magic meter was only used to facilitate but limit their use. I wouldn't mind magic abilities returning, particular the different arrows from OoT. But having to find magic pots to refresh it seems a bit out-of-date. A meter that refills automatically after a while like in Between Worlds seems much more appropriate.
I feel like the magic meter in 3d zelda directly correlates to the various elemental arrows. If you didn't have the magic meter or instead had the link between world's meter, there'd be no reason to not use the magic arrows. And light arrows trivialized nearly every overworld enemy. Therefore they added magic to limit OP arrows and OP abilites like Nayru's Love/Wind Waker Magic Armor. For things that are missing, I think a metroid item might be really interesting. Like the ice beam or shinespark.
Can I imagine being in the middle of a shrine and running out of magic? Yes. It would feel a lot like being in the middle of a shrine and running out of arrows.
I thought this would be a video about how magic slowly drained from Hyrule. The curse of reincarnation for Zelda, Link and Ganondorf weakens and less and less magic is around for usage. What was once a trivial is becoming increasingly rare.
A Link Between Worlds basically replaced it with the stamina bar. It acts in the same manner except that non-magical weapon usage like the bow, boomerang, bombs, and Hookshot are tied to it as well.
I think a non-recharging magic meter can work if it's not too restrictive. Maybe you could always have the abilities to use spells, items, etc regardless of magic,, but if you have magic power you could use varying amounts to enhance them. In the context of BotW for intance, you could have the ability to apply an element to a weapon, or use an extra powerful bomb..
Twilight Princess had two equivalents of magic meters: rupees for the red armor, and oil for the lantern. Neither of which were used very often, so I understand how they were overlooked.
Man I love magic. I wish we'll get it back in the BotW engine with lots of crazy stuff to do. Maybe even a game where we play Zelda herself and combat focuses more on magic rather than weapons
yeah i want it back. my 1st zelda game was link to the past for snes. i played all the zelda games. i still enjoyed them without th magic like twlight princess. sky wordsword. breath of the wild.
Ooo do one about Pokemon's FireRed's and LeafGreen's Fame checker. It omission from further games seems odd. It kinda trivial but it did help tracking of specific lore fans theorized and then confirm like Giovanni son, and Mr.Fugi association with Blaine and etc
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Can't wait to see this series in another 11 months.
Cosmic Kirbster Missing in Action: Missing in Action
How ironically appropriate
Wait did you just predict it?
Wow
Wait, how did you know...
Missing In Action : January Nintendo Direct
31. Januar is possible at least
Metroid
@@max_rn5465 only possible until the 29th, because if they don't announce there's one coming by then, there won't be one, because they always give advanced notice.
Jack Son Last January they dropped a mini direct without giving notice
Missing in Action: Metroid Prime 4
too soon man too soon
Too soon.
@@souit957 no way they'll start it from scratch
but honestly everyone is happy that Retro is working on it now
@@Metroid4ever Seamus returns came out almost a year ago
Nintendo likely realized how annoying it is managing this thing. If it does come back I hope it works more like the meter in Link Between Worlds
That or they can just give us more to work with, though maybe that now fairies are nerfed to the ground, if the meter was brought back as is, more people would actually use the potions like they did in ALBW
I love that refilling Stamina Meter.
Have the Magic Meter function like the Stamina Meter and slowly refill by itself over time, but give us the ability to craft potions that refill it much faster.
Dracomut annoying...wtf u talking bout...stamina bars like Skyward Sword’s are the annoying bars!!
Oh definitely not, those actually work
coolbits is missing in action!
That was one of my favorites, too.
Missing in action is missing in action
"Know Your Enemy" is missing in action!
I WANT COOLBITS
Forget the magic meter, the lack of magic instruments and songs in recent titles is the real tragedy.
Omg i just realizes songs elements haven't been in the game for a while
It’s been more recent than the magic meter. Twilight princess had the grass and wolf howling and Spirit tracks had a set of pan pipes.
And skyward sword made frequent use of the harp
@ALongLeggedPissedOffPuertoRican Like in almost every Zelda Game up to A Link Between Worlds. For Example:
Zelda 1 - Flute.
Zelda 2 - Flute.
A Link to the Past - Flute.
Link's Awakening - the entire plot.
Ocarina of Time - do I even need to say it.
Majora's Mask - Ocarina plus masks.
Oracle of Seasons/Ages - Rod of Seasons/Harp of Ages.
Wind Waker - of course.
Twilight Princess - Wolf Howling and Horse Whistle.
Skyward Sword - Goddess Harp.
A Link Between Worlds - Bell.
Does Kass and his accordion count, for BotW?
How about the VS Seeker from Pokemon? Because that's a real bizarre omission.
That was my favorite item in Pokémon next to the bike.
Yeah, what about the VS Seeker and the Bike? Hey, what about field moves? I'm not even talking about HMs, those were awful the way they were, but about things like Dig, Sweet Scent - you know, the weird stuff. The fun stuff that you also weren't forced to use but that you could have if you wanted to. I don't want to lug Escape Ropes around with me everywhere I go, and they're expensive as it is, so I'll just sell them and have a Dig user in my party - oh wait, can't do that anymore. What if I want to just cut down all of the grass in one area? Yeah, Cut was an HM, but it could have been retooled into a regular field move that regained its pre-Gen 4 effect of getting rid of grass. How many times in Sun and Moon did we have to go through random patches of grass that weren't worth the use of a Repel? Cut could have been a useful *optional move* there, but nope... I haven't played USUM, so my question is this: did they add field move functionality back in?
@@hostiusasinhostilityhostil7853 Those were pretty cool as well.
I know, that thing was cool.
This
Boy do i miss cutting grass and reloading rooms to get no magic at all and get large refills when i'm full already
True dat.
If they do bring back the magic meter they should have it slowly refill by itself but also give the player the option to craft potions that fill it faster.
@@nessthepsycho6252 shut up Tails
I mean you can make stamina meals, why not magic meals?
@@MAJJASTAK ... Im sorry?
Magic meter makes it all complete
...also thank goodness.
A My Little Pony reference? In 2019? That's a feat you don't see every day
Magic is definitely one of the main things I want back in the next big console release Zelda game alongside Magical Items. That, actual themed Dungeons, the ability to go underwater, and Items (includes making things like Boomerangs, Rods, and Bows move back into that column and don't break).
Boomerangs and Rods were the most useless weapons on Breath of the Wild because the Boomerangs were just poorly implemented into the schematics of the physics engine and can break, so it just made them feel incredibly pointless to even bother keepin' around.
While Rods only have a few uses (between 8 and 14 depending on the "tier") and if you ever accidentally bump them up against anything, they shatter on contact, as if they were made of thin glass.
Not only that, but the Elemental swords wound up invalidating the mere existence of the Rods on Breath of the Wild, which made the Rods even more pointless, poorly designed, and implemented.
Also, a game where they do a Fantasia/Sorcerer's Apprentice type thing with Link would be a neat direction to take a new game.
The Blizzard Rod is OP.
During its actual uses, sure. But you're safer with the elemental sword versions of the same elements since you get more uses and better durability compared to the rods.
If the meter does ever return, I want Link to use actual spells again. Zelda 2's magic meter made the most sense to me because Link used actual spells not floating on a Leaf that drained it. Yes, Ocarina had Spells too. Din's Fire and the other Goddess Spells are actual Spells, but I'm also a little biased because I don't like Ocarina.
The leaf was a bit of an odd choice for a magic use item. Infact he's had it replaced with a like a parachute type thing in game since that didn't use magic.
I’d call the medallions in A Link to the Past spells too.
A case could be made for the cape, rods, and canes also drawing their power from their user, although the rod in Link’s Awakening didn’t.
The powder and the lantern don’t make nearly as much sense in that regard, though.
Paul Chapman that's fair, I guess. I forgot about LTTP when I was writing that post.
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- Swanky Kong, Kiddy Kong, Lanky Kong and Chunky Kong (Donkey Kong)
- Rudy the Clown (Wario Land)
- Content from Kid Icarus: Of Myths and Monsters
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- Real-world (Pokémon)
- Pre-Windows cast (Touhou)
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Honestly, a part of me really does miss the Magic Meter and we haven't had any real spells in a Zelda game in a very long time
I honestly really miss the magic meter. :p
This is one Zelda element I don’t miss at all.
I just thought, it was an annoyance. I think it was handled well in A Link between Worlds because it refills over time and stronger items use more of the stamina. But in A Link to the past, it was fine too because only some items used magic.
Brer Oswald I thought it was super annoying in Link to the past, it didn’t bother much in OOT and WW but they made it super awesome in LbW
The only time I liked it was A link between worlds. Because it refilled. It wasn't annoying like other games
i find stamina more annoying.
@@eliasklein2580 It was absolutely horrendous in ALttP, becuase it decreases so quickly even with the upgrade and it is required to progress many times. Having to exit Turtle Rock, get magic potions from the witch and go through Turtle Rock all over again just because you ran out of magic on Trinexx, a boss that seems to be specifically designed to make you run out of magic, just isn't fun. Part of the reason why I'm not a huge fan of ALttP. Good game, but has a lot of stuff I hate.
Missing in Action: Stanley The Bugman
@jose ramiro reynoso ruiz A character from the arcade game Donkey Kong 3. He hasn't made a reappearance in any new Nintendo game since then.
Nyanpire The Cat oh shit I forgot about that guy
Also, there are some rumors about Stanley being the cousin of Mario, but that was never confirmed.
He’s appeared in 4 games:
- Greenhouse (G&W)
- DK3 (arcade)
- That weird Japanese PC sequel to DK3 that was unearthed recently
- DK3 2 Player Game & Watch version, different gameplay than the arcade
I’d say he’s worthy of a Missing in Action episode!
Stanley made a cameo appearance as a spirit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate.
I say add it back as a blue bar that will slowly refill over time, it’s a good concept that could be expanded on a lot more
Why does the bar have to be blue...? I like the idea of a refilling magic meter though and maybe have craftable potions that fill it up faster.
Which is just the system used in Tri Force Heroes and A Link Between Worlds.
Because the milk
16 years since its last inclusion in a non-remake.
In its first appearance each block was 16 magic points, spooky.
Also I thought it was interesting how there IS an oil meter in twilight princess, which is used for the lantern, an item that in its first appearance used magic. I wonder if that's relevant, was it originally going to use magic instead?
Edit: Also I would assume that if magic was in breath of the wild, it would have been for your divine abilities, which actually somewhat resemble magic from some other zelda games, like Din's fire and Nayru's love.
Call me old school, but I actually like the magic meter.
-Oldschool-
Sorry, I'm a jerk aren't I
Tbh I agree. Doesn’t feel like a Zelda game without the magic meter. And with this new one that recovers over time makes the games seem too easy. That was the whole point of the green potion, and also to be prepared for anything. Blue potion was literally a last resort
@@ramonronquillo4144I think they should have a magic meter that slowly refills over time but have craftable potions that refill it faster. That way there is challenge but players don't get stuck or have to backtrack because they're out of magic.
This is one of my greatest gripe about BOTW. I miss the magic meter :(
I do miss magic spells like those in OOT. I was really hoping to see them in BOTW. The rods just aren't the same.
Badarm Links champion abilities were kinda like his spells, not counting the rods and such
@@Random1567 kinda. But the only one that felt like a proper attack spell was the lightning, and that was so OP it kinda sucked the fun out of it.
I loved ravalis gale tho
R.i.p. dins fire
@Badarm All of them were OP! Mipha's Grace completely removes the need to cook meals for health. Revali's Gale removes all challenge with climbing and stamina management. The Goron defense kinda get in the way and quickly wastes itself on any consecutive low-power attack that your regular shield would block just fine. I disable them just to keep the game challenging enough. Love the game but that's probably my biggest gripe with it.
I miss the magic meter and Link's magical abilities and items. They were rather fun, and in some cases, rather helpful.
3:58 - Wipesite? I know he meant to say website, but it came out as "Wipesite".
I kinda hate the stamina bar and find it rather annoying at least how it was in Skyward Sword, with having to climb to flower to flower. But as far as ammo system I find it completely fine and don't get why it was removed , it wasn't really a problem to buy a green or blue potion to prepare for dungeon or what not.
I haven't played a LoZ game in a long time but I remember Twilight Princess having armor that made rupees magical- you gradually lost rupees as you wore the armor. Would've been easier on the wallet if Twilight Princess had a magic meter just for that item.
It's been dubbed the "Stamina Wheel" in Skyward Sword and BoTW
미셜비 Yeah, the stamina bar was also in a link between worlds
Someone didn't watch the whole video.
*Stamina Gauge in Skyward Sword
I really liked the ALbW approach.
I think Maybe the Magic meter(in Breath of the Wild) would have been used for more magical items early on such as the Elemental Rods and/or Arrows(having them consume regular arrows and Magic), Early Runes, Champion abilities, or something completely different that isn't in the final game
I am baffled at the notion of people consistently running out of magic in anything other than Zelda 2.
I’d give anything to have a magic meter back in a Zelda game 😢
I believe the magic meter is a from of limitation that, while it feels good to use, can be improved upon. Instead of one universal statistic that determines how much you can use all forms of magic, every item can have its own way of balancing itself. This requires substantially more effort, but it allows for the benefits and drawbacks to a magical item to be designed around in a way that's catered specifically to it, rather than all magic spells being designed to adhere to one universal magic meter.
If they bring the magic meter back i would LOVE if they let you use actual spells, in the same vain as Din's Fire but more useful lol
MAGIC METER FOR LIFE!
While I understand what it evolved into, I wish one of the new Zelda games would make Link a mage. ie: similar to some RPG's, there's a fixed point at which Link would gain magic and learn his most basic spells (let's say Fire, Thunder and Ice) but it's up to you to explore and discover more spells and upgrade the ones you already have (let's say Heal, Barrier, Meteor, Mjolnir and Blizzard).
They should've used magic and left Out destructable Weapons in BOTW
No way
I feel like a magic meter inspired by the energy gauge from ALBW could be an interesting feature. However, a system like that of the champion abilities in BotW might be its successor.
Could you elaborate? Like what did the ALBW Energy Meter do differently?
I think it could come back but it really needs some form of regeneration, even If it's just too a certain amount. Kinda like how certain games handle health regen.
*YES FINALLY MORE MISSING IN ACTION!!!!*
Considering I've been in the middle of a shrine and had a weapon break (which I needed to complete the shrine), I know how frustrating running out of magic would be. That being said, there are plenty of options for managing resources: consumables, drops, reduction granted by armor or power gained throughout the game. I don't think there's anything inherently wrong or cumbersome about a magic system if done well.
I think we should see the magic and stamina meter side by side in future games, it makes sense
I actually miss the Magic Meter. I greatly prefer it over the Stamina Bar as the MM was essentially a simple little managment system that required you to pay attention to all of your actions that required its use to not over do it otherwise you will be rendered useless for a fight. There was something satisfying about collecting all those green bottles, making green potions, and upgrading the bar to make it bigger.
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@@SuperZambezi haha better late than never
for real, guys... wur da majik at?
_Zelda_ has always been a fantastical, magical world, so why get rid of Link’s magic?
I didn’t like all the emphasis in _BotW_ on science and technology... like they could’ve done everything the same, but just say all the Sheikah technology is powered by magic. I wouldn’t like it if the various elemental arrows used up magic, but it would make sense for using the Sheikah Slate runes... you could refill you magic meter with food or elixirs, and upgrade it by defeating Guardians. each Shrine could have a Sheikah Slate charger at the entrance so you would never run out in the middle of the puzzle.
also, I really miss instruments and songs and other quasi-magical elements like that in the later games... _BotW_ could’ve really used a ‘Sun’s Song’ to make it stop raining every once in a while.
I like the magic meter only for the magical items that came alongside it. The meter itself was a hindrance, but items like the deku leaf, light arrows, and fire/ice rods made it better. I liked when my fire&ice rods didn't break.
I've been wondering the same thing since I've played Skyward Sword.
It’s annoyingly to have to have consumables to use for a magic meter. Bosses would have to supply these things in some way which kind of wrecks the battle imo.
The stamina meter refills which is definitely much better. Though it really does need to have upgrades because Skyward Sword’s stamina meter never lasted long enough while BotW’s stamina system worked really really well with permanent and temporary upgrades.
Maybe a focus ability to recharge it as long as you are not being attacked but also have other abilities blocked while focusing
The simple solution would be to have the magic meter refill slowly over time but then give the player the option to craft potions that refill it faster. Also permanent and temporary upgrades for the magic meter. That way is the player runs out of magic during a fight all they have to do is wait for the magic meter to refill by itself or if they really need magic right now they can quaff a green potion that they crafted beforehand and refill it instantly.
Botw may not have a magic meter anymore but I definitely think it has its own form of magic with the champion's abilities, Elemental weapons, the ancient technology but magical feel of the runes like being able to stop an objects in place. Personally I like these more because they all have their own separate duration, cooldown and ammunition rather than being tied down to one thing.
The magic meter requiring consumables to refill makes any object requiring magic an optional ability.
You're supposed to be able to beat the game without ever using it. Magic objects become temporary power ups.
This prevents developers from making puzzles requiring magic because a large number of players would inevitably run out of magic right in the middle of the puzzle and loose a lot of time going on a scavenging mission to refill the bar before being able to make any new attempt. ... Or devs have to provide some conspicuous way to refill magic right in the puzzle room : giving away an enormous hint about how players are supposed to solve the puzzle.
And it also means that players are discouraged from using magic whenever they don't absolutely need it, just in case... so the magic object becomes underutilized.
Removing the magic meter and having the magic object refill automatically (either through the automatically refilling magic bar or through an independent cooldown) solves both issues in one single move.
They could have the magic meter refill slowly by itself but give the player the option of drinking potions to refill it faster.
More magic in Zelda games sounds good
A bit ironic how while watching the video I forgot it was a Gamexplain vid until near the end. The VO and presentation definitely contributed to that though not that it's a bad thing or anything.
Bring! It! Back!
Doesnt the cover of Twlight Princess have a beta image on the back with the magic meter?
Just the Wii version.
I kind of miss the magic meter. I always remember the three types of potions and after it was gone, it just felt like something was missing. I also remember seeing it on the back of the TP box and thought it was in the game.
This is something i was thinking about for a while. What you said was basically also my conclusion: the magic meter solely existed to keep Link from spamming his more "unique" items, which were usually magic. Though throughout the series they started to give Link more and more unique abilities that required a finite resource to balance, but these abilities oftentimes were not even magical in nature. So it seemed as having the resource be called a "magic meter" seemed too specific for the abilities that used it. This first seemed apparent in Wind Waker where the Deku Leaf used the magic meter despite not making entire sense. They decided to change the resource to stamina, as it is more vaugue and therefore more adaptable to be used on more abilities. The recent trend for Zelds games to focus on traversal more also made it a more obvious decision to change. The magic meter didnt dissappear, but it instead evolved to stamina. It even has the same color. Also magic still exists in the series despite the more technological focus the games currently have. Magic just uses stamina or another resource. In ALBW they used the energy bar like all other items. In BOTW there was no distinction between magic and regular weapons based on the resources they used, instead the difference was just in how the weapons interacted with the environment and enemies. With Fire burning wood/staggering enemies/etc Electric paralyzing/disarming enemies, and Ice freezing enemies. BOTW has Magical Fire/Ice/Thunder Rods and their respective arrows. Even the sword, lance, and axe elemental variants are said to be infused with magic. Magic isnt gone, but just implimented differently as the series evolves.
But the Deku Leaf IS magical. It's an enchanted leaf from the forest god that creates huge gusts of wind when swung and can also support the weight of a ten year old in the air despite being too small to accomplish such a task realistically. When you run out of magic it no longer has enough power to keep Link aloft.
It’s simple, I’ve got the magic in me.
Everytime I touch that track gets turned into gold.
Breath of the Wild also had the Champion abilites which were magic attacks on a rechargable gauge. Which honestly was ok with me, but I was just glad to see some super cool magic abilities again. As long as we still have them in some form im ok, its when they don't have anything that makes me a little sad
I miss the magic in Zelda. I think there are better implementations than the magic meter, but I miss Link having abilities that are explicitly magic spells
Like spells draining a meter that refills a la stamina would be better than having to find jars to refill it
I also kinda dislike stamina, I miss spamming the roll button to go faster lol
Have the magic meter slowly refill on it's own but have craftable potions that refill it faster.
Metal Tornado I agree, that would be a good way to do it. I'd also personally like it if there were not just refilling and crafted potions, but also the little magic jars you can find in old games, bc for whatever reason I found it really satisfying to pick those up lol
I was just discussing this a few days ago, funnily enough. I was talking with someone about what we'd like in a potential Breath of the Wild sequel and one of the things I threw out was the Magic Meter to return, since it'd been a while. Though I hadn't realized it's been sixteen years.
Why not both? Stamina for item use, and magic for buffs and recovery.
If bringing it back means it also brings back more magical items or moves, like Ocarina's goddesses' powers, power-spin, and any other thing that would be too OP if not restricted by it, then yes, I want it back.
The idea behind the Magic Meter isn't a flawed one, acting as an "Ammo" for your spells or magic. Many games have SOME form of this, but Zelda's is the most visually distinct and beloved. I think that they could easily reuse this for later games, but only if they make sure that said Magic is good enough to warrant a limitation. Elder Scrolls has a Mana Meter, but in Skyrim it was just too limiting early on, making many people go for warriors or rogues.
I like to think at least one person just figured out the solution to that Lake Hylia shrine from watching the clip of it here.
Tear of Grace is missing?! OH NO!
I liked how Link Between Worlds did it, where it was more of an energy bar, that worked with all your tools, and refilled gradually.
Great video and presentation!
BRING THE MAGIC METER BACK!!!
I want the magic meter, spells and magic items to make a return. It would be so convenient to have unbreakable elemental rods. Especially for making fires
Very informative video. I actually never thought the Magic Meter has been gone from new entries for so long. I guess that's what remaking the same game for so many years does to one's mind. :P
(Also I recognize that voice. Hey SZ. :P)
I mean it was annoying but it did prevent spamming certain extremely strong attacks like the Light Arrows from Wind Walter & making the game a complete wipe. I actually kinda miss it.
Magic **Snort snort**
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Mr bean is missing in smash bros ultimate
Why is this not on trending the fact this series is not dead is major news
As an accompanied system, it's outdated. Note that in Wild, rupee drops from grass are hugely reduced compared to other entries. Selling cooked drops tended to be a main income source, outside of bog standard adventuring.
Stamina taking over it's role for basic things and implementing individual cooldowns for magic-like abilities is akin to the energy meter from recent top-down entries. Arrows are cheap and don't drop from grass, and bombs are infinite.
These were likely implemented to disincentivise habitual minutiae of literally spending hours spinning in circles in the middle of plain nowhere for drops and money.
However, the champion abilities are the only piece that could be described as true magic. The bombs and general Shiekah bits are more magi-tech. Knowing that, I'd like to see the next entry follow one of two paths:
1. It follows the pure magic route and does away with even basic weaponry outside a sword and uses rechargeable magic for everything, even allowing such magical constructs to change at distance from Link. This could allow for strange things like throwing a magical boomerang, changing it to a solid metal block mid-flight to plunge it into water onto a weighted switch, which reveals a bombable wall next to the switch, so you explode the block.
2. A full tilt into the technological bent, which does away with any and all famicile of magic and puts it in a relatively futuristic setting. Thinking a hypothetical 2040 future. The triforce are chips in a quantum computer, Ganon is a sleazy politician. Just for one game, it could be funny.
I've got one, where did the quality go in the Mario & Luigi series?
If anything it’ll be the energy meter or something similar to that, the magic meter was often thought of as a limit to link or a burden to have to find magic in grass or buying it, for example in a link to the past if you didn’t have or ran out of magic in the part when you went through the sewers there was no real light and it was nearly impossible to see most of the screen. While sad this is seemingly the case.
F for magic arrows
With the Stamina and Energy gauge system, you're still discouraged from spamming, but you can alleviate it with proper timing and, if need be, items.
How I see it is... with Magic, if you overdo magic and need to refill, you just have to hope for some magic potions near by, or carry something on you. There's no guarantee for either.
With Stamina or Energy, if you overdo your actions and need to refill, you just have to wait. There's no random chance, there's no "What if", it's just a matter of patience. You can use items in BotW to cut your wait time down, but if you don't stock up, you're not entirely screwed, you're just gonna get to your destination a bit slower.
Shouldn't the real question be about magic abilities? The magic meter was only used to facilitate but limit their use. I wouldn't mind magic abilities returning, particular the different arrows from OoT. But having to find magic pots to refresh it seems a bit out-of-date. A meter that refills automatically after a while like in Between Worlds seems much more appropriate.
Instead of finding magic pots have the meter refill slowly automatically and if the player wants to refill it faster they can craft magic potions.
I feel like the magic meter in 3d zelda directly correlates to the various elemental arrows. If you didn't have the magic meter or instead had the link between world's meter, there'd be no reason to not use the magic arrows. And light arrows trivialized nearly every overworld enemy. Therefore they added magic to limit OP arrows and OP abilites like Nayru's Love/Wind Waker Magic Armor.
For things that are missing, I think a metroid item might be really interesting. Like the ice beam or shinespark.
It was missing so long I didn't even know it was a thing when I started playing Ocarina.
I say bring it back
The only time that I remember ever used enough magic to run low was spamming Din's fire to beat Shadow Link in the Water Temple.
...Am I the only one here who actually doesn't dislike the magic meter?
It needs a practical use, and make sense in the context of the world. Existing for the sake of existing wouldn't work.
i think it’s worth noting that magic wasn’t replaced by the runes in BoTW, there was still magic in the form of the champion abilities
It took me about 40 seconds to realise you were playing Phantom Hourglass music.
Wasn’t there a magic meter in hyrule warriors??
I actually really liked the fact that Twilight Princess did away with the magic meter. It helped add to the realism that game was going for.
Glad to see this series again!
Can I imagine being in the middle of a shrine and running out of magic? Yes. It would feel a lot like being in the middle of a shrine and running out of arrows.
I guess you can say the magic meter performed its final act; disappear. Rest in peace, MM. You will be missed.
I thought this would be a video about how magic slowly drained from Hyrule.
The curse of reincarnation for Zelda, Link and Ganondorf weakens and less and less magic is around for usage.
What was once a trivial is becoming increasingly rare.
A Link Between Worlds basically replaced it with the stamina bar. It acts in the same manner except that non-magical weapon usage like the bow, boomerang, bombs, and Hookshot are tied to it as well.
I think a non-recharging magic meter can work if it's not too restrictive. Maybe you could always have the abilities to use spells, items, etc regardless of magic,, but if you have magic power you could use varying amounts to enhance them. In the context of BotW for intance, you could have the ability to apply an element to a weapon, or use an extra powerful bomb..
The magic meter was in a link between worlds, it was just called the Energy gauge, but it served the same function
Twilight Princess had two equivalents of magic meters: rupees for the red armor, and oil for the lantern.
Neither of which were used very often, so I understand how they were overlooked.
Man I love magic. I wish we'll get it back in the BotW engine with lots of crazy stuff to do.
Maybe even a game where we play Zelda herself and combat focuses more on magic rather than weapons
Nice a new GameXplain series? I'm in!
R/woosh?
@@realoctolink64 r/ woosh? Seriously...?
Ironic that it can be applied to you since i was actually sarcastic.
r/ woosh!
@@mex321 No, I was asking if you were r/wooshing...
Or are you r/wooshing me now??
@@realoctolink64 I'm r/wooshing you and everyone else here. Whatever r/woosh means.
Metroid Prime 4 Delayed: Positive Feedback
Magic Meter Missing: WW3
(I'm not making fun of the MP4 delay i'm having fun don't kill me please)
*teleports behind you*
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yeah i want it back. my 1st zelda game was link to the past for snes. i played all the zelda games. i still enjoyed them without th magic like twlight princess. sky wordsword. breath of the wild.
Ooo do one about Pokemon's FireRed's and LeafGreen's Fame checker. It omission from further games seems odd. It kinda trivial but it did help tracking of specific lore fans theorized and then confirm like Giovanni son, and Mr.Fugi association with Blaine and etc