There is no clearer example of how down bad I am for these two boys riffing 'bout movies that I will listen to the podcast in full and then the next day watch these clips from said podcast. Keep it up! More content for me, please! 👍
to me this just proves the people that say “the original joker isn’t even a joker movie” correct. I think the original was an interesting take on someone who maybe became the joker we didn’t know for sure. This movie proves he never ever wanted to make a joker movie and instead made two movies about a mentally unwell man and named it joker cuz oh well jokers crazy ain’t he💀 Just make an original movie with original characters if you’re going to do this The problem is not the movie itself but the fact both movies called themselves joker lol
I always said the first movie was Joker-in-name-only. Phillips could have made the exact same movie and called it the "Comedian," but that movie would've only made $150 million worldwide instead of 1 Billion.
@@Mirakulus9 i definitely agree but i think for me why that works in the first and not the second is because the first it leaves questions like “oh maybe he his the batman joker or maybe he’s just a very mentally ill man” meanwhile in 2 it’s just shoving it in your face telling viewers for certain that the two movies called joker literally has nothing to do with the joker and i think that’s a problem. The first feels like it COULD be a joker movie the second is screaming at you that it’s not It reminds me of how disrespectful Halloween ends is. Sure it’s not a bad movie but if you’re going to dawn the name of a iconic character or franchise it comes with some expectations that sometimes shouldn’t be subverted just for the sake of it. I don’t think the original needed a sequel because it’s very clear that movie was never meant to be more than one movie. It has a cut and dry premise with an ending that leaves viewers able to theorise and be content. Joker 2 then throws that out the window and gives fans an answer on if he is the joker. I don’t thing the answer even matter it’s the fact we got an answer that brings it down so much
It's an anti-audience deconstruction. All I had to do was hear some of the spoilers and I knew this was a stinking turkey. Spend that ticket money on buying something nice for yourself or give to your favorite charity, please.
@@dustin2207i really was of my mindset people are probably too harsh. After the spoilers no fr wtf were they thinking. Movie is a massive fuck you to anyone who likes the character of arthur fleck
Which is weird because I'd probably like an anti-audience film, something that actually challenged me, if it was done right, but er... nah it was just shit and worse, boring.
@@anomalousmaterialsmusic They’re not though. The Batman and The Brave and the Bold are intended to be concurrent franchises, like regular Batman and Absolute Batman in the comics.
With the exception of Aquaman 1, Joker 1 and The Batman (2022), all the "course corrected" DC films have either bombed or flopped. Wonder Woman 1984, Birds of Prey, The Suicide Squad, The Flash, Blue Beetle, Shazam Fury of the Gods, Black Adam, Aquaman 2, Joker 2. A series of diminishing returns for a list of films nobody asked for and never had an audience in the first place.
I hated the first one so there was no way I was gonna pay to see this one. I actually gained a tiny bit of interest when they said it was a musical because; A big hollywood musical starring Lady Gaga? Okay thats an interesting choice at least. But then they immediately started backtracking and said its a jukebox musical and its actually not even really a musical.. go all in or don't do it at all
@@studioseppuku9454 I don’t recall the people behind Baby Driver calling it a musical. It was a movie that was supposed to be completely edited to the beat of the soundtrack and score. Theres a difference between that and Singin In the Rain. And also I did criticize Baby Driver for losing track of that gimmick after a few scenes
@@pianist150 and Todd Phillips came out before release and said it wasn't actually a musical and people started saying 'he's trying to hide that it's a musical!' No, it works similar to Baby Driver (which I wasn't a massive fan of) in that the music has another purpose. As you say in BD it was for the action and the beats, for Joker it is the 'beats' inside his head as the music is a reflection of how Arthur feels at the time. It was well established in the first that he doesn't express him well but finds an escape in the idea of dancing and performance, that he loves old films and stage and Joker always expresses himself in 'dance'. Now he has enablers that encourage his mental state the concept that these thoughts would be expanded on and embellished should be of no surprise to anyone who understood Arthur in the 1st film.
@@studioseppuku9454 as I said, I was happy at the idea of a musical. I’d watch big musical numbers to show Arthur’s mental state. I like musicals, in fact saying this was a musical was the literal only thing about it that interested me. Which is why when Todd said “eh it’s not really a musical”, I stopped caring again. That’s why I didnt watch it. I didn’t like Joker 1 so why see Joker 2? Baby Driver was pitched to me as a movie that uses the soundtrack to inform the pacing and actions of everything in the movie, kind of like a music video, which would’ve been cool. But it didn’t do that for much of the movie. Still though, the characters and world interested me. The characters and world of Joker 1 I did not like
@@noneedtoknow-yv2tu bruh what're you talking about. how is it cosplaying if they're the blueprint. that was harleys whole point. being with the joker bc hes crazy, does what he wants and says what everyone is thinking. obviously the "mountain" is that idea times 10. hence, "becoming the joker and harley we know"
@@noneedtoknow-yv2tuyou didn’t understand the Dark Knight did you? Building a mountain is the movement that makes ordinary Gotham citizens turn to chaos, it builds and builds until the city is destroyed. Problem is Harley believes her and Arthur will stand on top of the mountain but chaos and anarchy never works as a system, it is actually built ON the people it destroys
I did not think it needed a sequel. I liked the way it ended, but I also definitely didn't like Arthur Fleck. Dude simply wasn't the Joker, which is probably why it had the dumb name of just Joker. Dude's THE Joker, and not having the The shows the character was not the comic book character. I want to see THE Joker. This A Joker was okay in one movie deviating from everything, but we don't need anything more than that. We don't need a sequel, and certainly no franchise or cinematic universe.
I hated the first Joker and never had plans to watch a sequel. There’s a part of me that’s excited to see this bomb. Shame for everyone who worked on it. I don’t think anyone wanted this to fail. But I wish Todd Philips had just left the first one alone and did anything else
I'm just sad that people are going to think this is the joker.. that people that aren't fans of Batman and just watch it. Casually are going to think Arthur is the joker.. Even if they just watched the first joker movie. They're going to think that Batman's arch Nemesis is some weak timid man.. he can't control an army of clowns. He can't rule the dark slums of Gotham... If Arthur had been the joker Batman could have just knocked him down and fly to stairs and broke his hip.. and technically Bruce Wayne can still do that as he's the age of a kid in these movies, and he could still take this jokester. I never appreciated it. First one, the first one was not joker.. but I can let it slide saying it was just a mentally ill guy that was taken on the persona, but to imply that this mentally ill man and original character is the inspiration for the joker. I just cannot take it. No thank you. It is a big joke. And then there's people that just won't know how awesome and scary the real joker is, or campy the real joker is (look at the '60s Batman or Lego Batman movie).
I haven't seen any of the spoilers, but when I saw a lot of the people who had seen it say that they thought it stuck two fingers up at people who like the first one, it kind of sapped all the desire I had to go see it. The friend I was planning to go see it with felt similar.
Don’t really care about the fallout I loved it and loved the first. I’m already seeing great video essays appearing online that nail how I feel and the deeper messaging. This will age like the Thing, Bladerunner and Fight Club and in 5-10 all the people crying now will claim they always loved it. Remember a lot of the ones crying the loudest now hated the first and wanted a Leto solo film. Their convictions wash away like clown makeup
It is of course a slap in the face of the "awful Nerds" who liked the first one... if they idolized Arthur. His trajectory in this film is the same as the last one and that is inevitably downwards. So anyone who misunderstood the first one and is now disappointed kind of brought it on themselves.
I saw it cause I have movieunlimited and so it was free. I told my friends not to bother because it would not have been worth a full price ticket. If it was €5 then maybe yeah
I love how Mason devotes literally every waking moment to making content to the point that he has no personality or identity outside of churning out meaningless slop and as a result his eyes are just a soulless void. And his food products are ass.
First one was WAY overrated because Trump was POTUS and America was still trying to understand why. The normies who went to the first one obviously didnt like it and didnt waste their time and money on the sequel. Ohh and apparently Lady Gaga doesnt have the amount of fans she thought she had.
I'm very surprised by the negative reception of this movie having seen it. It's not very good and certainly not close to as good as the first one but I don't understand most of the criticisms I hear about it and think it would basically fine
Because not everyone watches a trailer to avoid spoilers, imagine the shock of the audience when they saw a movie they liked in the first movie turn into Juke Box Musical. The Musical part is not even that interesting because it's all imagination. This is why the movie got a D CinemaScore, lower than Madam Web, but people feel betrayed, and they show it.
@@HOTD108_ They made Joker get fucked/raped up the ass, and then they killed the character at the end (after subjecting us to Lady Gaga's faqqotry). Fuck this movie.
Why do you think they hate you? Unless you were one of the people who foolishly idolized the Joker while missing the entire point at the end of the first movie, this movie isn’t targeting you.
@xthelegend89 You don't have to "idolize" the Joker to dislike the mean-spirited way the Arthur character was treated. What kind of story is "there was a sad man who life shat on until he broke, then life shat on him some more, the end" 4 hours of film for what?
@@enumaelish9193the sad man got stroked in the first movie, which incels rallied too bc they lack self awareness… this movie’s direction was much needed
My god, what a bunch of overrated people. I sincerely hope Todd Phillips and Joaquin Phoenix never worked in Hollywood again, especially after what King Pool where he wrote a gay character for himself and then backed out of it because the character was gay. Like what are you doing
I blame women for not accepting a movie with a male lead. If they would've gone to the theaters, the movie would've been a hit... but hatred won once again.
That is quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever read yk how many straight women just go to see a movie their favourite actor is in it? The copium from you incels is hilarious
There is no clearer example of how down bad I am for these two boys riffing 'bout movies that I will listen to the podcast in full and then the next day watch these clips from said podcast. Keep it up! More content for me, please! 👍
they didnt see it cause they are incels LOL
Joker 2: Folly, Adieu.
Bravo.
incels LMAO
Poorly a poo
Joker 2: Flop da Duu
when the Joker was like "Honka Honka"...i really felt that.
the Penguin is fucking great.
Because the director knows his audience, and that audience is comic book fans and not some Middle Age Women who love Musicals.
I was Ill and had to cancel. But my brother who I trust hated it so much so didn’t reschedule 😂.
Joker 2: Flüshiñg á Pú
Fully A Doo-Doo
@@Aivottaja*á dú dú
First one was an aesthetically pleasing turd. I’m not surprised at all.
to me this just proves the people that say “the original joker isn’t even a joker movie” correct. I think the original was an interesting take on someone who maybe became the joker we didn’t know for sure. This movie proves he never ever wanted to make a joker movie and instead made two movies about a mentally unwell man and named it joker cuz oh well jokers crazy ain’t he💀 Just make an original movie with original characters if you’re going to do this
The problem is not the movie itself but the fact both movies called themselves joker lol
I always said the first movie was Joker-in-name-only. Phillips could have made the exact same movie and called it the "Comedian," but that movie would've only made $150 million worldwide instead of 1 Billion.
@@Mirakulus9 i definitely agree but i think for me why that works in the first and not the second is because the first it leaves questions like “oh maybe he his the batman joker or maybe he’s just a very mentally ill man” meanwhile in 2 it’s just shoving it in your face telling viewers for certain that the two movies called joker literally has nothing to do with the joker and i think that’s a problem. The first feels like it COULD be a joker movie the second is screaming at you that it’s not
It reminds me of how disrespectful Halloween ends is. Sure it’s not a bad movie but if you’re going to dawn the name of a iconic character or franchise it comes with some expectations that sometimes shouldn’t be subverted just for the sake of it.
I don’t think the original needed a sequel because it’s very clear that movie was never meant to be more than one movie. It has a cut and dry premise with an ending that leaves viewers able to theorise and be content. Joker 2 then throws that out the window and gives fans an answer on if he is the joker. I don’t thing the answer even matter it’s the fact we got an answer that brings it down so much
Phillips admitted since 2019 that he only named the film "Joker" in order to get studio funding and audience's attention.
It's an anti-audience deconstruction. All I had to do was hear some of the spoilers and I knew this was a stinking turkey. Spend that ticket money on buying something nice for yourself or give to your favorite charity, please.
Imagine forcing Joker to be gay-raped, and then kill him off in the end.. Imagine even talking about this film.
@@dustin2207i really was of my mindset people are probably too harsh. After the spoilers no fr wtf were they thinking. Movie is a massive fuck you to anyone who likes the character of arthur fleck
Which is weird because I'd probably like an anti-audience film, something that actually challenged me, if it was done right, but er... nah it was just shit and worse, boring.
@@dustin2207Why have you made this same comment multiple times as different replies?
Go see transformers one. That movie was honestly really good
just gotta say youtube has never sent this channel to me before i always look up their videos so i guess that shows how big this is
Life of Brian did that better, and would have been a better plot for Joker 2 to copy.
Has every DC movie that's come after The Batman been a flop?
ding ding
This makes it even more funny that they're trying to replace The Batman with an entirely different Batman franchise.
And they already had a few flops before that (although mostly because of Covid)
@@anomalousmaterialsmusic They’re not though. The Batman and The Brave and the Bold are intended to be concurrent franchises, like regular Batman and Absolute Batman in the comics.
With the exception of Aquaman 1, Joker 1 and The Batman (2022), all the "course corrected" DC films have either bombed or flopped.
Wonder Woman 1984, Birds of Prey, The Suicide Squad, The Flash, Blue Beetle, Shazam Fury of the Gods, Black Adam, Aquaman 2, Joker 2.
A series of diminishing returns for a list of films nobody asked for and never had an audience in the first place.
I liked the first movie. Apparently phillips isn't into that or whatever, so i'll hold onto my money.
You can like the first movie, the problem is people who idolized the joker in it
The real Joker was the toxic fans we made along the way.
That guys name is Sean Harris, a very good actor, check out Possum.
I hated the first one so there was no way I was gonna pay to see this one. I actually gained a tiny bit of interest when they said it was a musical because; A big hollywood musical starring Lady Gaga? Okay thats an interesting choice at least. But then they immediately started backtracking and said its a jukebox musical and its actually not even really a musical.. go all in or don't do it at all
How is that different to Baby Driver that everyone loved?
@@studioseppuku9454 I don’t recall the people behind Baby Driver calling it a musical. It was a movie that was supposed to be completely edited to the beat of the soundtrack and score. Theres a difference between that and Singin In the Rain. And also I did criticize Baby Driver for losing track of that gimmick after a few scenes
@@pianist150 and Todd Phillips came out before release and said it wasn't actually a musical and people started saying 'he's trying to hide that it's a musical!'
No, it works similar to Baby Driver (which I wasn't a massive fan of) in that the music has another purpose. As you say in BD it was for the action and the beats, for Joker it is the 'beats' inside his head as the music is a reflection of how Arthur feels at the time.
It was well established in the first that he doesn't express him well but finds an escape in the idea of dancing and performance, that he loves old films and stage and Joker always expresses himself in 'dance'.
Now he has enablers that encourage his mental state the concept that these thoughts would be expanded on and embellished should be of no surprise to anyone who understood Arthur in the 1st film.
@@studioseppuku9454 as I said, I was happy at the idea of a musical. I’d watch big musical numbers to show Arthur’s mental state. I like musicals, in fact saying this was a musical was the literal only thing about it that interested me. Which is why when Todd said “eh it’s not really a musical”, I stopped caring again. That’s why I didnt watch it. I didn’t like Joker 1 so why see Joker 2? Baby Driver was pitched to me as a movie that uses the soundtrack to inform the pacing and actions of everything in the movie, kind of like a music video, which would’ve been cool. But it didn’t do that for much of the movie. Still though, the characters and world interested me. The characters and world of Joker 1 I did not like
@@pianist150 that’s totally fair
Joker: flopping a deuce
I really wanted to see them build a mountain, or at least explain what they meant by that.
i just took it as building en empire of organized chaos. making their followers goons, robbing, etc. becoming the joker and harley we know
@@Antwannnnthe dumbest shit ever if the real Joker and Harley are just stans cosplaying it takes everything away from them.
@@noneedtoknow-yv2tu bruh what're you talking about. how is it cosplaying if they're the blueprint. that was harleys whole point. being with the joker bc hes crazy, does what he wants and says what everyone is thinking. obviously the "mountain" is that idea times 10. hence, "becoming the joker and harley we know"
@@noneedtoknow-yv2tuyou didn’t understand the Dark Knight did you?
Building a mountain is the movement that makes ordinary Gotham citizens turn to chaos, it builds and builds until the city is destroyed.
Problem is Harley believes her and Arthur will stand on top of the mountain but chaos and anarchy never works as a system, it is actually built ON the people it destroys
Build a mountain of cocaine.. oh wait they probably just snorted a mountain of cocaine to make this movie
You... are an ideas man Steve
I did not think it needed a sequel. I liked the way it ended, but I also definitely didn't like Arthur Fleck. Dude simply wasn't the Joker, which is probably why it had the dumb name of just Joker. Dude's THE Joker, and not having the The shows the character was not the comic book character. I want to see THE Joker. This A Joker was okay in one movie deviating from everything, but we don't need anything more than that. We don't need a sequel, and certainly no franchise or cinematic universe.
I saw it twice
I’m going again as well
Folie a deux deux fois
I hated the first Joker and never had plans to watch a sequel. There’s a part of me that’s excited to see this bomb. Shame for everyone who worked on it. I don’t think anyone wanted this to fail. But I wish Todd Philips had just left the first one alone and did anything else
I still watched it I just wasn't going to pay for it. Pretty good quality TS out.
Because I watched the cam. No way im sitting next to yapping people playing on their phones for 2 hours
Even if the new Superman has the best trailer ever it's still gonna be affected by this failure and even by Marvel's recent failures
I'm just sad that people are going to think this is the joker.. that people that aren't fans of Batman and just watch it. Casually are going to think Arthur is the joker.. Even if they just watched the first joker movie. They're going to think that Batman's arch Nemesis is some weak timid man.. he can't control an army of clowns. He can't rule the dark slums of Gotham... If Arthur had been the joker Batman could have just knocked him down and fly to stairs and broke his hip.. and technically Bruce Wayne can still do that as he's the age of a kid in these movies, and he could still take this jokester. I never appreciated it. First one, the first one was not joker.. but I can let it slide saying it was just a mentally ill guy that was taken on the persona, but to imply that this mentally ill man and original character is the inspiration for the joker. I just cannot take it. No thank you. It is a big joke. And then there's people that just won't know how awesome and scary the real joker is, or campy the real joker is (look at the '60s Batman or Lego Batman movie).
This is gonna turn notoriously Normal Man David Zaslav into the Joker
I haven't seen any of the spoilers, but when I saw a lot of the people who had seen it say that they thought it stuck two fingers up at people who like the first one, it kind of sapped all the desire I had to go see it. The friend I was planning to go see it with felt similar.
I hated the first one, so I'm kinda the target audience for this one, and even I haven't bothered to watch it. It's doomed!
If you liked the first one that much you might be cooked
@@sheildingepicness Nah, I'm fine. I mean, I'm in my 'Grub Era', but I'm fine.
I didn't see it because it's a musical.
What if superman does end up being just the worst movie ever, I think it would be time to give superman a long film break.
Blood smear smile was way cooler
Glad I used a gift card and didn’t actually spend money on it
Don’t really care about the fallout I loved it and loved the first.
I’m already seeing great video essays appearing online that nail how I feel and the deeper messaging.
This will age like the Thing, Bladerunner and Fight Club and in 5-10 all the people crying now will claim they always loved it. Remember a lot of the ones crying the loudest now hated the first and wanted a Leto solo film. Their convictions wash away like clown makeup
It is of course a slap in the face of the "awful Nerds" who liked the first one... if they idolized Arthur. His trajectory in this film is the same as the last one and that is inevitably downwards. So anyone who misunderstood the first one and is now disappointed kind of brought it on themselves.
Joker 2: Fully Idiot
I saw it cause I have movieunlimited and so it was free. I told my friends not to bother because it would not have been worth a full price ticket. If it was €5 then maybe yeah
Mason for President! Sensible policies for a happier fandom.
I love how Mason devotes literally every waking moment to making content to the point that he has no personality or identity outside of churning out meaningless slop and as a result his eyes are just a soulless void. And his food products are ass.
And a foot
Pheonix can't sing, and Gaga can't act. This was never going to work.
Making it a musical was a stupid idea. I’m glad it failed.
First one was WAY overrated because Trump was POTUS and America was still trying to understand why. The normies who went to the first one obviously didnt like it and didnt waste their time and money on the sequel. Ohh and apparently Lady Gaga doesnt have the amount of fans she thought she had.
Joker 2: Holy Shitstew
This was a video about nothing.
I'm very surprised by the negative reception of this movie having seen it. It's not very good and certainly not close to as good as the first one but I don't understand most of the criticisms I hear about it and think it would basically fine
I quite enjoyed it, the criticisms I’ve heard so far are quite surface level/Undescriptive.
Because not everyone watches a trailer to avoid spoilers, imagine the shock of the audience when they saw a movie they liked in the first movie turn into Juke Box Musical. The Musical part is not even that interesting because it's all imagination. This is why the movie got a D CinemaScore, lower than Madam Web, but people feel betrayed, and they show it.
I hope we see headlines that people didnt want to see it because lady gaga is in it and she is a woman 😂
I knew Joker 2 was going to be bad as soon as I found out they'd cast a woman to play Harley Quinn. More like The WOKER amiright fellow free thinkers?
@@HOTD108_glad to see you fighting back against 'Big Woke'
@@HOTD108_ Woker 2 foil a girl 😂
@@gnik6618 Apparently they've cast a person of colour to play Blade in the MCU. #GoWokeGoBroke #NotMyBlade #HenryCaville4Blade
@@HOTD108_ They made Joker get fucked/raped up the ass, and then they killed the character at the end (after subjecting us to Lady Gaga's faqqotry). Fuck this movie.
I refuse to give money to a director/studio that actively hates me
Why do you think they hate you? Unless you were one of the people who foolishly idolized the Joker while missing the entire point at the end of the first movie, this movie isn’t targeting you.
@xthelegend89 You don't have to "idolize" the Joker to dislike the mean-spirited way the Arthur character was treated. What kind of story is "there was a sad man who life shat on until he broke, then life shat on him some more, the end"
4 hours of film for what?
@@xthelegend89Joker fans are pretty universally hated
Why? You did it the first time. Did you just figure out you weren't supposed to be rooting for Joker?
@@enumaelish9193the sad man got stroked in the first movie, which incels rallied too bc they lack self awareness… this movie’s direction was much needed
Hollywood and game developers absolutely hate their fans and this medie “piece” pushed that hatred too hard.
Just you
Because the Buffy guy killed comic book movies like 82 years ago, and they were almost entirely crap before then also
nah i like some of them some of thems rather good i reckon
Joker 2: Screw You (Audience)
I don't like musicals 😡
Imagine forcing Joker to be gay-raped, and then kill him off in the end.. Imagine even talking about this film.
I like musicals and I heard it’s barely a musical so no one’s happy
@@claytonandres1194 just listen to the soundtrack, its fucking terrible.
My god, what a bunch of overrated people. I sincerely hope Todd Phillips and Joaquin Phoenix never worked in Hollywood again, especially after what King Pool where he wrote a gay character for himself and then backed out of it because the character was gay. Like what are you doing
I blame women for not accepting a movie with a male lead. If they would've gone to the theaters, the movie would've been a hit... but hatred won once again.
That is quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever read yk how many straight women just go to see a movie their favourite actor is in it? The copium from you incels is hilarious
I’m not paying money for a musical. If it’s streaming on something I already have I’ll watch it