One of Wire's best songs ever, on OGWT no less. Wire is THE most under-rated band ever. every live concert is a treat, every album is a creation with unique focus. God-genius level artists, these.
- That's were you can pinpoint true artists : they seek creation, so that two shows are never the same, two records are never the same, and so on... so that they never get bored, nor do we...
Live versions show how a producer contributes to the recording. Mike Thorne had them sing higher, harmonize, placed rack tom rolls in wide stereo, and guitar over dubs. His work on the chorus is a post-punk highpoint.
in 87 at the metro in chicago gotobed/grey was awesom. A bass, a tom, and a high-hat... he just sat down and cranked for 2 hours. After all, when drumming, with your arms you can only use two things at once... The bass stack was the best, the sounds live were so awesome, the recordign does not do it justice, not in a hundred years...
As an american i have followed british rock,punk,and pop bands since the late 70's.I'm ashamed to admit i only discovered Wire a few years ago.Better late than never i suppose.what a excellent and unique sound they have.
I was a freshman in HS when they did this. Wow. I have so little to connect me with back then. What a head trip, thank you so much. Wire are worth the effort!
perhaps their best song ever. 41N 93W actually. somewhere between melrose and Georgetown in Iowa, USA. I must go there some day. maybe put a plaque in the ground. Sound slike totally stupid thing to do, i think i'll do it. I love the way they play with their own musoc so much, these guys must have mensa level intellects each, really. Every album, 47 so far, has been significantly different. Holy mother of god, that takes a lot of talent. Thanks guys, you really make life better.
30 year ago. longer than most of you have been alive. Wire has been a real source of inspiration for many of us. Yes this is a raw cut, but listen to wire today, it will still rock your world, babes.
Wire is widely regarded as the most under-rated band ever. With good reason. Beautifully erudite & numinal. Discovering Wire is in my top ten best things that ever happened to me in my 44 years!
Oh well there goes that theory. I'm still taking aerial pictures of 41n 93w next time i'm flying that way.. Some farmer come out looks at this plane circling a few times, no idea that the band Wire even exists...
They probably hadn't. This was a full four months before the 154 studio sessions even began, and the band was churning out new songs at a ridiculous pace during this era. By the time they went to record the LP in the summer of 1979, they'd written almost an entire album's worth of brand new material, some of which would eventually see release in skeletal form on a number of compilations and reissues. Those tracks - including "Safe", "Lorries", "Our Swimmer" and others - were temporarily put on the backburner so the band could focus on expanding the 154 material with Thorne. Most of those eventual 154 tunes sounded quite different before the studio transformation process, as evidenced by the demo versions cut at Riverside Studios in December of 1979. One track in particular that really shows this staggered development is "On Returning", which was written back in the late autumn of 1978, and integrated into the band's live set shortly thereafter. Its original incarnation was simpler, slower, and rougher around the edges; Thorne and the band later reworked the verse riff from the ground up, and the now-familiar final version was debuted live at the Jeanetta Cochrane Theatre in November 1979, soon after the release of 154. Another interesting example is "Indirect Enquiries"; initially penned as a brief, upbeat punk number alongside songs like "Dot Dash" and "I've Been Mysterious Today" during the Pink Flag support tour, it was fully rebuilt into a close facsimile of the eventual album version in mid-1978, and tweaked once more a year later with Thorne's contributions. Wire were generally not inclined to look back, at least musically speaking, so when the time came to record tracks that had been sitting in their songbook for months or years, they usually felt compelled to give them a new coat of paint (so to speak) at minimum. By the dawn of 1979, they'd removed all of their early, simplistic punkers from the set entirely, save for "Pink Flag" and "Too Late"; by that point, however, neither song bore any real resemblance to their original forms. The former was morphed into a brash, raucous fight song of sorts, while the latter became an experimental improv jam that changed with every performance, featuring rapidly shifting tempos and extended solo sections. We even see this same tradition continued after the band's initial breakup, too, as Colin fundamentally rewrote several unused Wire tunes ("Lorries", "Safe", "You, Me & Happy", "Relationship") several years after the fact for inclusion on his early solo albums. In the case of "Lorries", the final version has virtually nothing in common with its initial incarnation other than the chorus' vocal pattern and delivery. Bruce and Graham would follow the exact same pattern themselves when they updated a hollow, avant-garde Wire outtake named "A Ritual View" into an equally experimental but fundamentally unique cut by the same name on their second Dome LP in the early '80s.
What the hell happened to the other guitar? There's another guitar player they showing him a couple times in the video but you can't hear it at all. We need a remix dang it
The other guitar player is Bruce Gilbert. This show has early rough versions of some of the songs on 154. The 15th on this show is missing an entire verse from the album version. It's there structurally, Colin opens with a verse that appears later in the song in the studio version and just repeats it later in the song. The studio version has a different opening verse altogether in its spot. As with The 15th also, Bruce Gilbert and Colin, the two guitarists, are just playing the same thing. That's why it gets lost
N.b. - The back up vocals on the record are mostly Colin backing up Colin. Graham is a brilliant bassist and lyricist, but admittedly not the greatest singer. He's trying his best. As far as Bruce, he's still playing all the lead parts but was turned down reeeeeallly low during this performance for some reason. The video is still incredible and one of the VERY few live documents of early Wire. So shut up already and just enjoy it.
Quite right. It always was a scandal that the BBC etc ignored one of the most important bands of every age since 1976. Wire get the consolation that they'll probably outlive the BBC etc. Ha.
Did they change the song title from 43°N 110°W to 41°N 93°W for the recorded version ? I looked it up on google earth, the first place is in western Wyoming, the second near Albia in Iowa.
- Yeah I knew that. But it's cool to notice it for the people who don't know. Btw I wonder what's the link between Wire and Des Moines' name... (if anyone knows... thank you).
I'm pretty sure he's playing the little melody line part, it's just very hard to hear it because he's turned down so low.. he's almost never loud enough in the video of this show.
This is quite a primitive version of this song....sometime before 154 was recorded I'd imagine. Bruce adds some great guitar parts to other tracks in this concert. I wonder who is responsible for all the guitar effects in the final studio version though?
Lol I know I’m pretty late, but that made me chuckle. He does look like Butch DeLoria. I’m pretty sure Graham could take out a bunch of rad roaches with his bass guitar.
There will be a wild hunt for the 4 dislikes here. They will be made to listen to autotune 2017 pop for 1000 years non-stop. You know, "xxx ft. Nicki Minaj " stuff. Aaaaaaaggghh.
the audience seems underwhelmed...but the "ironic post-punk stance" can do that to you. Map-Ref is a fantastic pop song however. I get un-ironic joy singing along with the recorded version's vocal harmonies on the "chorus". The man must have cribbed the lyrics from a National Geographic article
Thisis so amazing, yet I'm missing something here....The sound mix seems too basic.This might sound like herecy,but this otherwordly track needs more bombast in a live setting.
Okay, i tried getting to 41 x 93 recently. it's a cow pasture outside of Albia IA, Those cows never had it so good... Seriously, it would have been a 1000 meter invasion into a cow field, i didn't have the time (or the guts) to ask around. but it was a bit of a pilgrimage. Worth it none the less. How freaking cool. :-0
isn't 41 n 93W roughly the geographical center of the 48 states? Wouldn't 43n 110W be the center of the 50 states? Darn it, now i'm goingto have to go to wyoming as well. Freaking awesome state, a bit homophobic, but they are mellowing out. sort of like duran duran, they loved the rio grande, had a love affair with the States!
- Thank you for giving us the synchronicity of things in the past. We seem to have difficulty to replace our memories in the right order... afetr too much smoke is goes without saying.
The chorus line really is the definitive point to the totality of post punk.
chorus is sublime.
One of Wire's best songs ever, on OGWT no less. Wire is THE most under-rated band ever. every live concert is a treat, every album is a creation with unique focus. God-genius level artists, these.
- That's were you can pinpoint true artists : they seek creation, so that two shows are never the same, two records are never the same, and so on... so that they never get bored, nor do we...
OMG! All these years later I can now see Wire perform the tracks I could only listen to on John Peel way back then. Mega!!
Live versions show how a producer contributes to the recording.
Mike Thorne had them sing higher, harmonize, placed rack tom rolls in wide stereo, and guitar over dubs.
His work on the chorus is a post-punk highpoint.
in 87 at the metro in chicago gotobed/grey was awesom. A bass, a tom, and a high-hat... he just sat down and cranked for 2 hours.
After all, when drumming, with your arms you can only use two things at once...
The bass stack was the best, the sounds live were so awesome, the recordign does not do it justice, not in a hundred years...
As an american i have followed british rock,punk,and pop bands since the late 70's.I'm ashamed to admit i only discovered Wire a few years ago.Better late than never i suppose.what a excellent and unique sound they have.
I was a freshman in HS when they did this. Wow. I have so little to connect me with back then. What a head trip, thank you so much. Wire are worth the effort!
perhaps their best song ever. 41N 93W actually. somewhere between melrose and Georgetown in Iowa, USA. I must go there some day. maybe put a plaque in the ground. Sound slike totally stupid thing to do, i think i'll do it.
I love the way they play with their own musoc so much, these guys must have mensa level intellects each, really. Every album, 47 so far, has been significantly different. Holy mother of god, that takes a lot of talent. Thanks guys, you really make life better.
did you do it xyaqua?
Maybe close to the Illinois Tool Works!
This is one of the greatest songs ever written.
30 year ago. longer than most of you have been alive. Wire has been a real source of inspiration for many of us.
Yes this is a raw cut, but listen to wire today, it will still rock your world, babes.
wow! what a perfectly beautiful song.
What a bass!!
I have this song playing in my brain every time I fly .
Wire is widely regarded as the most under-rated band ever. With good reason. Beautifully erudite & numinal.
Discovering Wire is in my top ten best things that ever happened to me in my 44 years!
This song is SO good. Perfectly balanced. What a chorus! But it wouldn't work if it wasn't perfectly balanced. Wire is such a great band!
Live, is, sometimes like the beer without the head.
autrefois-BRILLIANT.
Colin with a Strat? I feel like I don't even KNOW him anymore
Great video, great song! Thanks for sharing.
- Yeah I much rather like to see him play his Ovation Breadwinner.
Des Moines, Iowa. And I should know as I'm a geography teacher (and it's on the picture sleeve of the single ;) )
What a band!
Oh well there goes that theory. I'm still taking aerial pictures of 41n 93w next time i'm flying that way..
Some farmer come out looks at this plane circling a few times, no idea that the band Wire even exists...
Holy crap this is great. I've owned this album for ....damn...this is so good, I'm so glad we can see these clips now.
Banda muito boa,esse tipo de som só tinha nos anos oitenta,saudades dessa época mágica!
I kind of get the sense that they hadn't actually *written* the backing vocals we're familiar with now when this was made.
They probably hadn't. This was a full four months before the 154 studio sessions even began, and the band was churning out new songs at a ridiculous pace during this era. By the time they went to record the LP in the summer of 1979, they'd written almost an entire album's worth of brand new material, some of which would eventually see release in skeletal form on a number of compilations and reissues. Those tracks - including "Safe", "Lorries", "Our Swimmer" and others - were temporarily put on the backburner so the band could focus on expanding the 154 material with Thorne. Most of those eventual 154 tunes sounded quite different before the studio transformation process, as evidenced by the demo versions cut at Riverside Studios in December of 1979. One track in particular that really shows this staggered development is "On Returning", which was written back in the late autumn of 1978, and integrated into the band's live set shortly thereafter. Its original incarnation was simpler, slower, and rougher around the edges; Thorne and the band later reworked the verse riff from the ground up, and the now-familiar final version was debuted live at the Jeanetta Cochrane Theatre in November 1979, soon after the release of 154. Another interesting example is "Indirect Enquiries"; initially penned as a brief, upbeat punk number alongside songs like "Dot Dash" and "I've Been Mysterious Today" during the Pink Flag support tour, it was fully rebuilt into a close facsimile of the eventual album version in mid-1978, and tweaked once more a year later with Thorne's contributions. Wire were generally not inclined to look back, at least musically speaking, so when the time came to record tracks that had been sitting in their songbook for months or years, they usually felt compelled to give them a new coat of paint (so to speak) at minimum. By the dawn of 1979, they'd removed all of their early, simplistic punkers from the set entirely, save for "Pink Flag" and "Too Late"; by that point, however, neither song bore any real resemblance to their original forms. The former was morphed into a brash, raucous fight song of sorts, while the latter became an experimental improv jam that changed with every performance, featuring rapidly shifting tempos and extended solo sections. We even see this same tradition continued after the band's initial breakup, too, as Colin fundamentally rewrote several unused Wire tunes ("Lorries", "Safe", "You, Me & Happy", "Relationship") several years after the fact for inclusion on his early solo albums. In the case of "Lorries", the final version has virtually nothing in common with its initial incarnation other than the chorus' vocal pattern and delivery. Bruce and Graham would follow the exact same pattern themselves when they updated a hollow, avant-garde Wire outtake named "A Ritual View" into an equally experimental but fundamentally unique cut by the same name on their second Dome LP in the early '80s.
One of the favorites songs of Bob Pollard.
phenomenal show in every way this Rockpalast
So good. Relief from this age of high anxiety.
Quality harmony on the last chorus!
Love the audience's enthusiasm
Those coordinates will lead you to a field in Monroe County, Iowa. Nearest town is Melrose (population 110)
Totally agree , I just wish they'd still play this live !!!!
This is brilliant. Thanks for uploading.
Brilliant.
A visit to this field SE of Des Moines is on my bucket list.
"CHORUS!"
Wire is so great, they tell you what they're about to do and still surprise you.
why tf the audience so quite
Graham's bass playing sounds like Tina Weymouth! And that's a good thing!
The bass on this song is really good.
Happy birthday Colin !!!
What the hell happened to the other guitar? There's another guitar player they showing him a couple times in the video but you can't hear it at all. We need a remix dang it
The other guitar player is Bruce Gilbert. This show has early rough versions of some of the songs on 154. The 15th on this show is missing an entire verse from the album version. It's there structurally, Colin opens with a verse that appears later in the song in the studio version and just repeats it later in the song. The studio version has a different opening verse altogether in its spot.
As with The 15th also, Bruce Gilbert and Colin, the two guitarists, are just playing the same thing. That's why it gets lost
N.b. - The back up vocals on the record are mostly Colin backing up Colin. Graham is a brilliant bassist and lyricist, but admittedly not the greatest singer. He's trying his best. As far as Bruce, he's still playing all the lead parts but was turned down reeeeeallly low during this performance for some reason. The video is still incredible and one of the VERY few live documents of early Wire. So shut up already and just enjoy it.
ok.
Quite right. It always was a scandal that the BBC etc ignored one of the most important bands of every age since 1976. Wire get the consolation that they'll probably outlive the BBC etc. Ha.
i mean hes a pretty good singer generally, its just that hes not used to singing in the range thats required to do the harmonies
I really enjoy Graham's voice
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this is awesome tks for the upload cheers!
The bassline
Did they change the song title from 43°N 110°W to 41°N 93°W for the recorded version ? I looked it up on google earth, the first place is in western Wyoming, the second near Albia in Iowa.
when they do it live it takes place in Wyoming?
I love the spattering of applaus, FOOLS..
Hey, the map coordinates are wrong!
Still sounds great, though.
The map reference plants you squarely in Des Moines, Iowa-
- Yeah I knew that. But it's cool to notice it for the people who don't know. Btw I wonder what's the link between Wire and Des Moines' name... (if anyone knows... thank you).
Mega Giga Tera Peta!!!!!
Imagine saying chorus right before it comes and it sounding ultra cool. Not often you can do this.
The missing link between punk beginning to mature and King Crimson reforming...
I'm pretty sure he's playing the little melody line part, it's just very hard to hear it because he's turned down so low.. he's almost never loud enough in the video of this show.
Wire is so far beyond normal pop it is indescribable. even 25 years ago, they were so cool.
Wire are cooler than Antartica.
This is quite a primitive version of this song....sometime before 154 was recorded I'd imagine. Bruce adds some great guitar parts to other tracks in this concert.
I wonder who is responsible for all the guitar effects in the final studio version though?
0:25 Tunnel snakes rule!
Lol I know I’m pretty late, but that made me chuckle. He does look like Butch DeLoria. I’m pretty sure Graham could take out a bunch of rad roaches with his bass guitar.
the people in the audience have no idea what to do
Eh, the song title is about a thousand miles off. How did that happen?
chorus!
Anyone else notice that Bruce Gilbert doesn't really do anything live except back up Colin's rhythm parts really quietly?
"Chorus..."
prouve que tu existe, resiste c'est ça le message chanté, musicalement ça sonne.
they made this song for "google earth" before it existed.
Wire was doing post punk before Green Bay WI ever knew what punk was. And when we knew what it was they shut down the college rock station here.
He reminds me of Thom Yorke and Ian Curtis, visually.
obviously he is their "father"
LOL
Err, Thom Yorke and Ian Curtis remind me of Wire.
There will be a wild hunt for the 4 dislikes here. They will be made to listen to autotune 2017 pop for 1000 years non-stop. You know, "xxx ft. Nicki Minaj " stuff. Aaaaaaaggghh.
let people like what they like
next time they tour, offer them a few hundred to add it to the set. 3 to 1 they will take you up on it,
Can't hear Bruce at all. : (
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the audience seems underwhelmed...but the "ironic post-punk stance" can do that to you.
Map-Ref is a fantastic pop song however. I get un-ironic joy singing along with the recorded version's vocal harmonies on the "chorus".
The man must have cribbed the lyrics from a National Geographic article
"les vrais lieux n'existent pas " Thomas Pynchon
Thisis so amazing, yet I'm missing something here....The sound mix seems too basic.This might sound like herecy,but this otherwordly track needs more bombast in a live setting.
Okay, i tried getting to 41 x 93 recently. it's a cow pasture outside of Albia IA, Those cows never had it so good...
Seriously, it would have been a 1000 meter invasion into a cow field, i didn't have the time (or the guts) to ask around. but it was a bit of a pilgrimage. Worth it none the less.
How freaking cool. :-0
Phaser.
isn't 41 n 93W roughly the geographical center of the 48 states? Wouldn't 43n 110W be the center of the 50 states?
Darn it, now i'm goingto have to go to wyoming as well.
Freaking awesome state, a bit homophobic, but they are mellowing out.
sort of like duran duran, they loved the rio grande, had a love affair with the States!
Had a couple very noticeable mistakes in there 😬
Totally unbraided...
The vocals on the last chorus are a bit hasardous! In a different style,i prefer My bloody valentine's version.
"Le Freak" by Chic was number 2 or 3 song in 1979. Wire could juggle Chic.
- Thank you for giving us the synchronicity of things in the past. We seem to have difficulty to replace our memories in the right order... afetr too much smoke is goes without saying.
both are great bands
This reminds me of our band we had, raw intense, missing cues, but that's okay, tightness, vocals full of semen.
di chi porco dio sono i non mi piace?
Love these guys but this ain't heir best version
i love this song but this performance is quite lame