I've got dozens of pedals but this is my desert island pick. Since I bought it three years ago, I use it literally everytime I play guitar. I didn't think much of the dirt/amps at first, but I learnt to stack the noise gate/dirt/amp(sometimes with speaker sim when playing through a Pignose) /Echoplex pre-amp/Sonic Maximiser and it sounds great to my ears. Also sounds great through a Katana stack (with Zoom speaker sim off). Zoom really did something incredible with the multistomp series. How many other bits of digital gear have stayed in production for that amount of time?
I think it depends on what you're using it for, also. I wouldn't really rely on it for high end critical professional shows or jobs, but for fun, practice, etc., it's fine. I would go for the extra spend and get something like a better Zoom or Boss processor, if you're going to really play out live, or record with it.
@@KaiDownThis would seem easier to just us on the fly, or just save your patches and set and forget. I don't even know how people playing live in dark environments even see any display etc. on stage! That must be a challenge, especially on a pedal that small.
I use the MS50G as a 'wild card' pedal on my board if I need a Phaser or Flanger. I have used it on pro recordings, saved a ton of money on boutique mod pedals (I owned a lot of mod pedals in 70's and 80's) . Some FX are so so but all in all a great tool, runs on batteries and has a tuner. No brainer buy.
I bought this and it was awesome, you have to add a dirt pedal and a wah/vol pedal and thats it! This saves me a lot of money and served me a lot of gigs!
Hey there, question: is there any noticeable tone suck and / or latency on these zoom devices? Asking because I had a Valeton GP100 on my board for awhile, but when running into amp there was noticeable tone such, and when into my interface / amp sims, very noticeable latency. Just looking for other options
Someone clued me into playing with the cab sims for each amplifier and it makes a big difference! Also change from line out to something else as an option to get a nice amplifier only sound before adding a drive in front. This works incredibly well!
Ha...it's the Swiss army knife of pedals..I bought 2 second hand MS50Gs and use them to this day. So useful, at the moment I use them for EQ, if you need an effect for anything you can almost Guarantee there's something in here you can use. I'm well impressed with mine and won't be selling them. They take a bit of getting used to once you get your head round it...they are fab for the price and built like a tank.
I can see that, I definitely didn't get along with it, but that's only because the things that I would need it for didn't line up with what the unit is good at. That's obviously going to vary massively on a case-by-case basis - I would've liked to keep it just for the weird stuff like the ring mod and the bit crusher, but I think I'd sooner pick up a used one if I ever did need those effects.
Thanks for your review. I've been considering getting the MS-70 for a long time. I still don't know what to think. I'm most interested in the reverbs and being able to chain multiple effects together. What are you thinking of replacing your Multistomp with?
After looking into it, I don't think there really is anything else like this at it's price point. I'd say if you set your expectations accordingly you'll likely have a great time with it. I landed on not replacing it with anything - just a straight return, unless something else happens to come up.
Thank you for the comment, I've added the FX list to the description box. There are 241 effects total able to be loaded onto the unit using the Zoom Effect Manager software, but the unit can fit about 140 at a time.
I didn't know this even existed until last week. I already have the G1X4, which I'd bought about two years ago, and lately I'm using it constantly, after not for a while. I went back and really learned to edit and program it, save patches, set up a credible pedal configuration, and it's a damned good processor. This one seems like the mini, poor man's version of that processor. I think I'm going to stick with the G1X4, because it's so versatile, it really does sound good, mainly, and it's very easy to navigate and edit pedals, patches, and FX, the interface is pretty good. Also the price is about the same, and the one i have has the expression pedal. For what I paid for that, it's become totally invaluable since I'm a home player mainly, sometimes play for others, and and I like to sit here and collect gear, play, and learn fave songs etc. I just used the G1X4 to get both a credible Flock of Seagulls sound, delay, etc., and also a credible David Gilmour sound. I run it mainly through either a Roland amp, or my Vox amp. This pedal looks ok if you don't expect the ease of the G1X4, and you just want a rehearsal or pedal you can just chuck in your bag and take anywhere. The G1X4 definitely sounds better, especially through a really good amp. But pros keep telling me, they really prefer a real pedal rack and that's that, etc., at least for pro. purposes.
@@KaiDownI would tend to say so. I got mine two years ago or so, at Guitar Center, I'd read of it on Amazon or RUclips, and figured it was time to invest in a decent processor. I wasn't looking forward to spending $600 on pedals right now. It was worth the money just to be able to play certain songs, but now having mastered editing, it's even more valuable. Plus runs on batteries, I just leave it on my desktop in front of my Blackstar amp, and plug it into any of my amps, and let rip! It's pretty sturdy, too.
If you don’t use the amp models, it doesn’t make any sense to have the MS50g. The MS70CDR has no amp models, so it has more effects. Plus it has also stereo inputs, which the 50 lacks.
I have a challange project, using the Zoom R4, with this pedal... Once you start combining sounds in a mix, the cabinets sound pretty good to me... I think we get caried away with expectations, use your ears and if it sound good is good. Great review, but through my not so great speakers your testing of the amp models sounded good to me!
@@KaiDown looking forward to seeing your review. I'm learning how to play the guitar and you apparently need some effects to help you make good tones. I'm currently eyeing either the MS-50G+ or the G1 Four. My intention is to make either of the pedals to be placed in the effects loop and have them function as the reverb, delay, and mod successively. I wish your review will include something like that. But still, thanks for all the info on the MS-50G. ☺️
The thing I think is funny is that almost every single effect or sim in this pedal was also in the G5, which wasn't that well received. I LOVE my G5. Yes it had some shortcomings (they all do) but no menu to have to scroll through?? I mean literally NO MENU. Reach down and change a parameter, the freakin Z pedal is the best expression pedal EVER! All metal chassis, the last zoom with XLR out too. I used mine for a few years in front of a fender HRD amp.The zoom was completely transparent with no effects engaged, no tone suck at all. just set the volume. Then during covid we transitioned to ampless with IEM's. I continued using my G5 using the amp & cab sims. All total, around 6 years 3-5 nights a week, HUNDREDS (maybe thousands) of gigs reliably until this year when I went to helix. The helix is obviously better, but I think there's a couple things the old G5 does better In my opinion the rotary on the zoom is WAY better than the helix, and I like the wah better too. I Think the zoom ACT (react?) more like a real wah pedal. When I use the zoom it feels like a wah pedal, on the helix it doesn't to me
I think the Zoom is fantastic for ambience, shoegaz-y type tones and as a "always on" pedal for EQ shaping and compression - obviously you could just use software to achieve this though. The main draw for me was to shed my option paralyses and just have a singular *all-in-one* pedal to curb some major GAS. If you haven't sold the pedal yet be sure to try an amp sim through a real cab - the sound i got from the orange amp (tangerine i think its called?) was shockingly good, but I did have my expectations lowered a tad. Good video friend.
I returned this pedal pretty shortly after this demo. I don't think that it's entirely useless by any means - there are situations where I would like it, there are situations I didn't try that I could've liked too. It just didn't work out for what I was wanting it for at the time of making the video. I've now got the Line 6 HX One on order, that seems to fill my needs a lot better.
Spefically I'm a bass player, and so the only pedals I worry about being spciifc and single are compression, filter effects and octaver. To me chorus delay reverb can be done very well by a number of pedal makers. I have 2 of these pedals (love 'em), and I think zoom shot themselves in the foot, by offering so much processing power. They haven't updated in years, because there little more it can be made to do. I also made my own libraries across the MS pedals: pretty easy with RUclips videos. To be fair, there are some effects that jusneed to go.
That's the way to do it for sure. I think I sort of ignored the compression and filter stuff, they're not really effects that come up in my arsenal all that often. Glad to hear you're digging the pedal though, I definitely see the value in it
Thanks Kai, agreed with how horrible most of the fx sound in this unit, especially the amp models. But i have 2 units of his and still covering some songs, tbh it's versatile enough for the cheap price and limitations🍻
The G1Four is what you should have bought. The UI is far easier to use and if you use it in edit mode it’s like having 5 stompboxes at your fingertips. I say fingertips because you access them with the small clear buttons not the footswitches. I have patches set up for 5 different modulation pedals and turn them on/off this way. It’s like a micro pedalboard and I think they sound very good.
I have the zoom bt100. I used mainly on modulations and downloaded all the reverb and modulations in its store. for this pedal is serious Swiss knife Pedal. if you want to maximize its capabilities use a yellow comp. by mooer it enhances this pedals effects For My ears, I don't about others
This is just about the most idiotic review of this pedal I've seen. I've got tons of delay, reverb, and modulation pedals and the Multi Stomp hangs in there with most of them for pennies on the dollar. Using the ToneLib editor is just about the easiest thing in the world and once you get the hang of it making on the fly real time adjustments is no harder than a standard stomp box. I only use it for those effects. Put a drive pedal in front of it and go into a good amp and you are most of the way to where you need to be.
I hate unboxing. My experiences unboxing the products will be no different from your unboxing experiences. Presumably, we are watching this video because of your music production experience not because of your cardboard handling experience.
Yessir! It's the guitar I reach for most often when I'm doing anything not-metal, the action is slammed down to sub-1mm and it's buttery smooth to play. Very underrated guitars!
Zoom's strengths have always been in the amp, pedal and cabinet modeling, and being the quietest of all digital units when you run high gain without a noise gate. *I absolutely despise noise gates lol* I bought a Zoom G5 all the way from Japan a couple weeks ago after some crazy bitch smashed mine a few years ago. *It blows away all the new units I've both heard and owned over the last couple of years. Line 6, Headrush etc., but I'm also a shred and sweep player so IDGAF about modulation to any significant depth.* *I have a 2023 GP200 and it is outstanding, but the G5 still blows it away.* The Headrush I had everyone raved about; biggest POS I've ever owned! lol* It went right back and Line 6 pfft! Sell a kidney to buy one of their overpriced units a 12 year old modeler with a valve in it blows away? Heeeell no! This is based on the G5, but oh so minimal I never wanted one, and I opted for another G5 over the G5n because again, the valve.
It's not like shredding and modulated tones are mutually exclusive. I've heard some pretty badass leads and rhythm tones where they add a touch of chorus or pitch detuner and it always sounds killer! Just a few examples off the top of my head... Greyhawk - Call of the Hawk (a blend of Tradition Heavy Metal and Power Metal, chorus on the solos) Toxodeth - Mysteries of Life and Death (sounds like what would happen if you played Neo-Classical inspired Death Metal with an 80's AOR guitar tone) Rotting Christ - Thy Mighty Contract (same thing but with Black Metal this time) GraveDanger - pitch detune every song, local underground band. The Awakening and Thousand Yard Stare are my favorite songs from them Resington here on RUclips uses chorus on his leads in nearly every video with a demo track, he plays Death Metal type stuff, has numerous albums out... Long story short, there are some great tones out there to be had if you add a touch of modulation or detuner on top of your leads and solos bud, don't write it off completely! Anyhow, Keep Rocking \m/
@@serpentsbane9166 I agree but the use of modulation in shred and sweep style players is rampant. It's literally 99.999% of players that always use it. There are times I hear it used so incredibly well with a hint of a detuner that it sounds like they're doing something unique and seemingly impossible with their fingers, then I see the note arrangements they're actually playing and it's just another sequentially coordinated arpeggio/sweep and the effects are so good, it sounds like it's the most impossible note arrangement ever. I like the way it sounds but it also cheapens what we're doing as players who get lost in shredding and sweeping. It definitely plays a role in how we compose and people relying on that warble and pitch shifting to create note accents that heavily magnify what is being played rather than the player being inspired to go above and beyond to actually compose a segment of notes in a way that actually gets played the way it sounds. I rarely ever use modulation and pitch shifting effects and as far as depth and time based like delay and reverb, I keep them extremely low at around 25-30%. There's undoubtedly still great players with a signal saturated in effects, just listen to Zakk Wylde, especially in his instagram uploads. It's more that I think the usage has tainted metal in that it's a constant. It's exceptionally rare you don't hear these effects being relied on.
@@JonDeth Interesting, I've never heard it used in such a way as to mask or obscure what a lead player is doing, I always think of it enhancing your overall sound like that lush 80's AOR guitar tone, or any of Tom Sholz's Rockman line (Rockman XPR preamp or XP212 Combo is my dream amp) Too much of any given thing could be bad, such as over reliance on harmonizer effects in the studio rather than learning to overdub harmonies manually. Could that perhaps be what you are referring too? Harmonizers are not modulation so I wonder what then you would be referring too... \m/
@@serpentsbane9166 Nether had I but having worked really hard on my gear until I was finally in college for the science of engineering, I had reached a point where I was designing circuits specific to actual amps I own and had also modified. I ended up getting my noise reduced to dreamlike levels while still having heaps and heaps of gain. My buzz, hum, white noise and feedback have been gone for about 15 years now. Several years ago having not used a noise gate for a very long time, I decided to tinker with them since I have so many on various processors and noticed that some with a lot of parameter controls like threshold, ratio, release, mix etc. could be dialed in to surgical levels and they don't let some of the "rustle" passed the gate. Some of it's eliminated entirely and some of it gets "zapped" out when the AI senses it's potentially spiking in volume due to speed of rise. *It's relative to processors and plugins I see today that are now growing in popularity because they can remove echo and reverb from your live feed, not just post editing.*
I've got dozens of pedals but this is my desert island pick. Since I bought it three years ago, I use it literally everytime I play guitar. I didn't think much of the dirt/amps at first, but I learnt to stack the noise gate/dirt/amp(sometimes with speaker sim when playing through a Pignose) /Echoplex pre-amp/Sonic Maximiser and it sounds great to my ears. Also sounds great through a Katana stack (with Zoom speaker sim off). Zoom really did something incredible with the multistomp series. How many other bits of digital gear have stayed in production for that amount of time?
Had this on my board for years and can’t complain given the price and amount of control you get. Personal taste at the end of the day. 👍
I think it depends on what you're using it for, also. I wouldn't really rely on it for high end critical professional shows or jobs, but for fun, practice, etc., it's fine. I would
go for the extra spend and get something like a better Zoom or Boss processor, if you're going to really play out live, or record with it.
For sure, there's a lot packed into such a cheap pedal with such a small form factor.
@@KaiDownThis would seem easier to just us on the fly, or just save your patches and set and forget. I don't even know how people playing live in dark environments even see any display etc. on stage! That must be a challenge, especially on a pedal that small.
I use the MS50G as a 'wild card' pedal on my board if I need a Phaser or Flanger. I have used it on pro recordings, saved a ton of money on boutique mod pedals (I owned a lot of mod pedals in 70's and 80's) . Some FX are so so but all in all a great tool, runs on batteries and has a tuner. No brainer buy.
I bought this and it was awesome, you have to add a dirt pedal and a wah/vol pedal and thats it! This saves me a lot of money and served me a lot of gigs!
Hey there, question: is there any noticeable tone suck and / or latency on these zoom devices? Asking because I had a Valeton GP100 on my board for awhile, but when running into amp there was noticeable tone such, and when into my interface / amp sims, very noticeable latency. Just looking for other options
Ambient sounds are really good
Someone clued me into playing with the cab sims for each amplifier and it makes a big difference! Also change from line out to something else as an option to get a nice amplifier only sound before adding a drive in front. This works incredibly well!
Ha...it's the Swiss army knife of pedals..I bought 2 second hand MS50Gs and use them to this day. So useful, at the moment I use them for EQ, if you need an effect for anything you can almost Guarantee there's something in here you can use. I'm well impressed with mine and won't be selling them. They take a bit of getting used to once you get your head round it...they are fab for the price and built like a tank.
I can see that, I definitely didn't get along with it, but that's only because the things that I would need it for didn't line up with what the unit is good at. That's obviously going to vary massively on a case-by-case basis - I would've liked to keep it just for the weird stuff like the ring mod and the bit crusher, but I think I'd sooner pick up a used one if I ever did need those effects.
Thanks for your review. I've been considering getting the MS-70 for a long time. I still don't know what to think. I'm most interested in the reverbs and being able to chain multiple effects together. What are you thinking of replacing your Multistomp with?
After looking into it, I don't think there really is anything else like this at it's price point. I'd say if you set your expectations accordingly you'll likely have a great time with it. I landed on not replacing it with anything - just a straight return, unless something else happens to come up.
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Can it be used with bass guitar.
Yes it can!
Sounds great --but can you name each fx ? and HOW MANY DOES IT HAVE ?---AND PRICE IN US $?
Thank you for the comment, I've added the FX list to the description box. There are 241 effects total able to be loaded onto the unit using the Zoom Effect Manager software, but the unit can fit about 140 at a time.
Oh! And as for the price, it should be about $130 new, or $50-$70 on the used market.
I have the 70 CDR
If I get the MS 50 G + will it be similar efx on both ?
I didn't know this even existed until last week. I already have the G1X4, which I'd bought about two years ago, and lately I'm using it constantly, after not for a while. I went back
and really learned to edit and program it, save patches, set up a credible pedal configuration, and it's a damned good processor. This one seems like the mini, poor man's
version of that processor. I think I'm going to stick with the G1X4, because it's so versatile, it really does sound good, mainly, and it's very easy to navigate and edit pedals,
patches, and FX, the interface is pretty good. Also the price is about the same, and the one i have has the expression pedal. For what I paid for that, it's become totally
invaluable since I'm a home player mainly, sometimes play for others, and and I like to sit here and collect gear, play, and learn fave songs etc. I just used the G1X4
to get both a credible Flock of Seagulls sound, delay, etc., and also a credible David Gilmour sound. I run it mainly through either a Roland amp, or my Vox amp. This pedal
looks ok if you don't expect the ease of the G1X4, and you just want a rehearsal or pedal you can just chuck in your bag and take anywhere. The G1X4 definitely sounds
better, especially through a really good amp. But pros keep telling me, they really prefer a real pedal rack and that's that, etc., at least for pro. purposes.
Whoa, for the same price too! I think the G1X4 is likely the much better option
@@KaiDownI would tend to say so. I got mine two years ago or so, at Guitar Center, I'd read of it on Amazon or RUclips, and figured it was time to invest in a decent processor. I wasn't looking forward to spending $600 on pedals right now. It was worth the money just to be able to play certain songs, but now having mastered editing, it's even more valuable. Plus runs on batteries, I just leave it on my desktop in front of my Blackstar amp, and plug it into any of my amps, and let rip! It's pretty sturdy, too.
If you don’t use the amp models, it doesn’t make any sense to have the MS50g. The MS70CDR has no amp models, so it has more effects. Plus it has also stereo inputs, which the 50 lacks.
I have a challange project, using the Zoom R4, with this pedal... Once you start combining sounds in a mix, the cabinets sound pretty good to me... I think we get caried away with expectations, use your ears and if it sound good is good. Great review, but through my not so great speakers your testing of the amp models sounded good to me!
Nice demo! Do you think you can fake the Keeley Halo with 2 delays of different time value? Could you please make a video of that?
Also with two of these you’ve got a lot of bases covered and won’t run out memory if you want lots of ambient effects
I have two. One as "pre drive" stuff and one just for effects after my IR pedal. Every sound I want, I can get lol
Could you do the updated version of this pedal? Zoom just released a successor of this pedal.
I have one ordered! 😇
@@KaiDown looking forward to seeing your review.
I'm learning how to play the guitar and you apparently need some effects to help you make good tones. I'm currently eyeing either the MS-50G+ or the G1 Four.
My intention is to make either of the pedals to be placed in the effects loop and have them function as the reverb, delay, and mod successively. I wish your review will include something like that. But still, thanks for all the info on the MS-50G. ☺️
The thing I think is funny is that almost every single effect or sim in this pedal was also in the G5, which wasn't that well received. I LOVE my G5. Yes it had some shortcomings (they all do) but no menu to have to scroll through?? I mean literally NO MENU. Reach down and change a parameter, the freakin Z pedal is the best expression pedal EVER! All metal chassis, the last zoom with XLR out too. I used mine for a few years in front of a fender HRD amp.The zoom was completely transparent with no effects engaged, no tone suck at all. just set the volume. Then during covid we transitioned to ampless with IEM's. I continued using my G5 using the amp & cab sims. All total, around 6 years 3-5 nights a week, HUNDREDS (maybe thousands) of gigs reliably until this year when I went to helix. The helix is obviously better, but I think there's a couple things the old G5 does better In my opinion the rotary on the zoom is WAY better than the helix, and I like the wah better too. I Think the zoom ACT (react?) more like a real wah pedal. When I use the zoom it feels like a wah pedal, on the helix it doesn't to me
Sorry the amp models sound better than your stock sound
I couldn't agree more!
I think the Zoom is fantastic for ambience, shoegaz-y type tones and as a "always on" pedal for EQ shaping and compression - obviously you could just use software to achieve this though.
The main draw for me was to shed my option paralyses and just have a singular *all-in-one* pedal to curb some major GAS.
If you haven't sold the pedal yet be sure to try an amp sim through a real cab - the sound i got from the orange amp (tangerine i think its called?) was shockingly good, but I did have my expectations lowered a tad.
Good video friend.
I returned this pedal pretty shortly after this demo. I don't think that it's entirely useless by any means - there are situations where I would like it, there are situations I didn't try that I could've liked too. It just didn't work out for what I was wanting it for at the time of making the video. I've now got the Line 6 HX One on order, that seems to fill my needs a lot better.
@@KaiDown Awesome, if you ever make a vid on it I'll check it out!
Spefically I'm a bass player, and so the only pedals I worry about being spciifc and single are compression, filter effects and octaver. To me chorus delay reverb can be done very well by a number of pedal makers. I have 2 of these pedals (love 'em), and I think zoom shot themselves in the foot, by offering so much processing power. They haven't updated in years, because there little more it can be made to do. I also made my own libraries across the MS pedals: pretty easy with RUclips videos. To be fair, there are some effects that jusneed to go.
That's the way to do it for sure. I think I sort of ignored the compression and filter stuff, they're not really effects that come up in my arsenal all that often. Glad to hear you're digging the pedal though, I definitely see the value in it
Thanks Kai, agreed with how horrible most of the fx sound in this unit, especially the amp models. But i have 2 units of his and still covering some songs, tbh it's versatile enough for the cheap price and limitations🍻
The G1Four is what you should have bought. The UI is far easier to use and if you use it in edit mode it’s like having 5 stompboxes at your fingertips. I say fingertips because you access them with the small clear buttons not the footswitches. I have patches set up for 5 different modulation pedals and turn them on/off this way. It’s like a micro pedalboard and I think they sound very good.
On further inspection, I do think the G1Four is likely the better of the two
@@KaiDownBeen saying it for years that the g1four deserves all the praise that the multistomp and line6 M5 get.
I have the zoom bt100. I used mainly on modulations and downloaded all the reverb and modulations in its store. for this pedal is serious Swiss knife Pedal. if you want to maximize its capabilities use a yellow comp. by mooer it enhances this pedals effects For My ears, I don't about others
What guitar is that?
Yamaha Revstar RS820
It's always a real shame that most people who can produce such amazing videos and review pedals, can't actually play the guitar.
Yeah I hate it when that happens, oh well 🤷♂️
better than HX One... more versatile!!!
I’ve got an HX One coming, so we’ll see 😄
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You dont like this padel?
I wouldn't say I hate it, but I definitely don't like it
@@KaiDown okey but why I can't get the zoom effects manager 1.0.1 link?
Here's the link to the latest Zoom Effect Manager: zoomeffectmanager.com/en/download/
@@KaiDownhow this work?
i payd 30 for mine and will mod a True Bypass into it :D
30 is an awesome price for it, good score!
This is just about the most idiotic review of this pedal I've seen. I've got tons of delay, reverb, and modulation pedals and the Multi Stomp hangs in there with most of them for pennies on the dollar. Using the ToneLib editor is just about the easiest thing in the world and once you get the hang of it making on the fly real time adjustments is no harder than a standard stomp box. I only use it for those effects. Put a drive pedal in front of it and go into a good amp and you are most of the way to where you need to be.
Ouch, your review was excellent but your tones were horrible before and after. I can't believe you like those sounds.
I hate unboxing. My experiences unboxing the products will be no different from your unboxing experiences. Presumably, we are watching this video because of your music production experience not because of your cardboard handling experience.
Looks like a Gen1 Yamaha Revstar RS 820CR. All the Gen 1 are killer guitars..
Yessir! It's the guitar I reach for most often when I'm doing anything not-metal, the action is slammed down to sub-1mm and it's buttery smooth to play. Very underrated guitars!
Not good for live setting
🤦🤦🤦
sounds ok on earpodpro nice effect thumns up
Zoom's strengths have always been in the amp, pedal and cabinet modeling, and being the quietest of all digital units when you run high gain without a noise gate. *I absolutely despise noise gates lol*
I bought a Zoom G5 all the way from Japan a couple weeks ago after some crazy bitch smashed mine a few years ago. *It blows away all the new units I've both heard and owned over the last couple of years. Line 6, Headrush etc., but I'm also a shred and sweep player so IDGAF about modulation to any significant depth.*
*I have a 2023 GP200 and it is outstanding, but the G5 still blows it away.*
The Headrush I had everyone raved about; biggest POS I've ever owned! lol* It went right back and Line 6 pfft! Sell a kidney to buy one of their overpriced units a 12 year old modeler with a valve in it blows away?
Heeeell no!
This is based on the G5, but oh so minimal I never wanted one, and I opted for another G5 over the G5n because again, the valve.
It's not like shredding and modulated tones are mutually exclusive. I've heard some pretty badass leads and rhythm tones where they add a touch of chorus or pitch detuner and it always sounds killer!
Just a few examples off the top of my head...
Greyhawk - Call of the Hawk (a blend of Tradition Heavy Metal and Power Metal, chorus on the solos)
Toxodeth - Mysteries of Life and Death (sounds like what would happen if you played Neo-Classical inspired Death Metal with an 80's AOR guitar tone)
Rotting Christ - Thy Mighty Contract (same thing but with Black Metal this time)
GraveDanger - pitch detune every song, local underground band. The Awakening and Thousand Yard Stare are my favorite songs from them
Resington here on RUclips uses chorus on his leads in nearly every video with a demo track, he plays Death Metal type stuff, has numerous albums out...
Long story short, there are some great tones out there to be had if you add a touch of modulation or detuner on top of your leads and solos bud, don't write it off completely! Anyhow, Keep Rocking \m/
@@serpentsbane9166 I agree but the use of modulation in shred and sweep style players is rampant. It's literally 99.999% of players that always use it. There are times I hear it used so incredibly well with a hint of a detuner that it sounds like they're doing something unique and seemingly impossible with their fingers, then I see the note arrangements they're actually playing and it's just another sequentially coordinated arpeggio/sweep and the effects are so good, it sounds like it's the most impossible note arrangement ever.
I like the way it sounds but it also cheapens what we're doing as players who get lost in shredding and sweeping. It definitely plays a role in how we compose and people relying on that warble and pitch shifting to create note accents that heavily magnify what is being played rather than the player being inspired to go above and beyond to actually compose a segment of notes in a way that actually gets played the way it sounds.
I rarely ever use modulation and pitch shifting effects and as far as depth and time based like delay and reverb, I keep them extremely low at around 25-30%. There's undoubtedly still great players with a signal saturated in effects, just listen to Zakk Wylde, especially in his instagram uploads.
It's more that I think the usage has tainted metal in that it's a constant. It's exceptionally rare you don't hear these effects being relied on.
@@JonDeth Interesting, I've never heard it used in such a way as to mask or obscure what a lead player is doing, I always think of it enhancing your overall sound like that lush 80's AOR guitar tone, or any of Tom Sholz's Rockman line (Rockman XPR preamp or XP212 Combo is my dream amp) Too much of any given thing could be bad, such as over reliance on harmonizer effects in the studio rather than learning to overdub harmonies manually. Could that perhaps be what you are referring too? Harmonizers are not modulation so I wonder what then you would be referring too... \m/
@@serpentsbane9166 Nether had I but having worked really hard on my gear until I was finally in college for the science of engineering, I had reached a point where I was designing circuits specific to actual amps I own and had also modified. I ended up getting my noise reduced to dreamlike levels while still having heaps and heaps of gain. My buzz, hum, white noise and feedback have been gone for about 15 years now.
Several years ago having not used a noise gate for a very long time, I decided to tinker with them since I have so many on various processors and noticed that some with a lot of parameter controls like threshold, ratio, release, mix etc. could be dialed in to surgical levels and they don't let some of the "rustle" passed the gate. Some of it's eliminated entirely and some of it gets "zapped" out when the AI senses it's potentially spiking in volume due to speed of rise.
*It's relative to processors and plugins I see today that are now growing in popularity because they can remove echo and reverb from your live feed, not just post editing.*
Not good for live setting