Arnold, at least in the movie, Belle's dad was adamant that his uncle n his household treat Belle as an equal. They obliged him cause he was righteous n put his foot down saying how he loved her n her mother. .,.. they made her eat in the kitchen with the servants. They probably didn't treat her right, especially after her dad died........ ... Marsha.
They still treated her as a lesser, she wasn’t usually eating with guests and she wasn’t supposed to come out as a lady to high society. She was essentially kept as a paid servant to her family but was left an inheritance because of their blood relation. Trust me they were progressive for their time, but they were not treating everyone fairly. Even in the portrait she had to be depicted as a servant holding a tray or else people would call it a scandal.
@@terrelllewis7508 ...ahha Sir John Lindsay was rightous?😂 that's a good joke... let me just say Dido's mom an enslaved woman was 14 when she got pregnant with Dido.... Sir John got 5 illegitimate kids from 5 different women.. who knows how many else enslaved women he had liasons with... and Sir John died in 1788! probably living in Scotland with his 2 illegitimate children, Lady Elizabeth already married at 1785 no longer live at Kenwood, have 2 kids already by 1788. Sir John only left money to 2 of his other illegitimate children, nothing to Dido not even an acknowledgement
@@actuallyimnotreallysureyet6360I think they definitely did care about her as family but they had to be very careful because of the family's image and for her safety too.
@@cashmoneychanel1209 Her father died, left her an inheritance and he made sure she was set up as well as she could be, even getting a second enhaitence from the uncle. She was better off where he left her.
It's interesting that the artist portrayed them so differenly. They were supposedly raised as equals, yet Belle'scousin is dressed in the fashion of the time but Belle is dressed as an "exotic ethnic". Just something I found curious.
Exotic maybe, but she was also dressed in a fashionable. albeit, costumey, way for the period, turbans were extremely popular head pieces even among men, not to mention that she is wearing an expensive silk dress and expensive pearl jewelry. It has been mentioned that the artist, David Martin, may have picked Belle's costume.
She is wearing a silk dressing robe type dress, which was coming into fashion as something to be worn around the house when you were not entertaining guests. The artist who painted her and her cousin excelled in painting gauzey fabrics, hence the flowly guazey shawl around her arms, as well. Also I suppose it could be a nod to her ethnic background but, in the Crow's eye production they say she might have chosen to wear it or the artist could have chosen it. Turbans and head scarves for African women were worn by a lot of women at the time as well. Her's is probably dressed up with the feather to show her status. Women of high society wore feathers in their hair.
@@bee2022 I think that the essential thing to remember is that a servant would not be dressed in such a fashion which is why I am perplexed that she eventually was described as a servant when mentioned at all.
omfug She wasn’t described as a servants all. It said here she “was brought up as a Lady”. She was left an inheritance by her uncle and he specified that she was a free woman.
Color was less of an issue vs being illegitimate. While illegitimate children of a monarch could marry into nobility, less so with others. If you read Vanity Fair that took place around 1810-1820 a match was proposed between George Osborne, the white son of a wealthy merchant and a black heiress from the West Indies.
@@mtngrl5859 if her father would have never lain with her black mother which I'm sure was a no no she would not have been illegitimate. There is no way she could have been legitimate in those times.
She unfortunately had to contend with both her ethnicity and being an illegitimate child. Being illegitimate, no matter what your race was very looked down upon, you paid the price for your parents "sin"
How the Hell is that the definition of carefree black girls when she was biracial, she was referred to as mulatto not black and her whole story is about her being of mixed race
It's definitely interesting, but part of that interest is how unusual it was for the time. If "stories like this" were in the history books a lot it would make it seem normal, ...and it wasn't. Dido, while still not treated as "family" as her cousin was acknowledged and left in a will AT ALL. That just didn't happen back then.
I grew up in West London & spent a lot of time around Hampstead Heath & Kenwood but nobody ever told the story of Dido - what a shame, such an interesting piece of history too !
@@veronicaroach3667 i mean Dido was virtually unknown since she was alive until she died... and long after that, it was only now that she became "popular" so to speak just because she was black lol
Well she was something important because trust me it’s rare for Black people to be painted at all let alone as beautiful and happy as she was. Also she did marry and have kids of her own, so her family knows her story.
@@TheLeoGoddess88 they prob had her sit at dinner like some kind of 'partypiece' im also guessing that the painting was done from some englishman with a strange fedish
Daniélín NicG actually the picture was suppose to just be of her cousin but they decided to put both girl in it cause they grew up like sisters. Her father left her his money, she had money let’s not forget this. She didn’t have the title cause she was a bastard. The woman had a good life. Which is why she stands out because she is rare.
Very important part of history i'm sure there are more undocumented stories just like this one we all have no idea about👀i'm sure Dido Elizabeth Belle wasn't the first or the last👀
Dido was the name of the queen of carthage, which is now Tunisia. No one knows for sure the meaning but some think it may be a female version of David, meaning beloved (Or it means wanderer). I cant help but think her family called her dido for a reason.
Dido was also common names for child born of the same circumstances, most of them became slve in the field. it was said that her mother had a slave friend named Dido
Now THAT'S, HOW Family, SHOULD take care of FAMILY! Because, she IS!! Like it or not, nothing anyone can do about it. NOTHING. NOONE. It's DEFINITELY NOT her mothers fault that Dido came into this world, The Way she did, and most DEFINITELY NOT Dido's fault. Gotta' admit though, they "hooked" Dido, Up!! God Blessed!! 🙌May she Rest In Peace🙏
Well with arranged marriages being common, many aristocratic had 10 or so illegitimate children, clearly not everyone wants to share their inheritance.
for anyone wondering Lady Elizabeth got £10,000 and £7,000 from her father and £22,000 from her father's sisters... totalling of £39,000, it's £5,607,108.40 today's money and this without even knowing how much her mother had left her.. her mother was a rich heiress like really rich
I loved this movie from start to finish. I understand that its based of true historical events so they have to be as accurate as possible. However, I do wish we could have had more scenes of Belle and her father or even Belle’s life with her biological mother but obvs 2hr film and all 😅
this movie is so fake, it is known Lady Elizabeth father Lord Stormont visit her often in kenwood and sent carriages for Eliz to visit her father at his home. from existing evidence dido father actually has 5 other illegitimate children from 5 different woman, he didn't visit dido from the record that we have, nor does it likely as he was busy going here and there as officer/admiral.
this movie is fake from start to finish..... everything about dido was opposite. in real life dido was poor, Lady Elizabeth was rich. Lady Eliz married first to Heir of double Earldom, then at 31 dido married a servant john daviniere, he wasn't lawyer he was a servant not even the servant at kenwood, so it might be possible if they met at market place.. but that's unlikely too since he is valet... valet usually marry maid. the only fact in the movie is dido wasn't allowed to dine with guest.... much less attending exclusive party. obviously the movie faked this too suddenly she was at the party but keep the dinner rule which itself contradict it. so this movie is as fake as bridgerton, none of the truth about dido's life abd experience even present, why? because dido wasn't rich enough? john the servant isn't prestigious enough? k
" based on true historical event..... so they have to be accurate " 🥴 sis the fake painting in the movie was drastically different from the original painting too, gone was her feathered turban. this movie is so fake it hurts, the problem wasn't that they changed things but they changed the all the important fact and then revolve the entire movie in all fake fact they have fabricated her faked wealth and Elizabeth faked poverty didn't happen so this storyline is impossible John was servant/valet he won't be anywhere near lord mansfield... his fake lawyer profession and involvement storyline would also be impossible. remove these 2 fabricated opposite fact and you won't have movie left lol...
ironically in real life😂 Dido's mother was alive all the time, she was the one who baptised Dido alone (John was god knows where, he didn't acknowledge Dido) infact her mother might even outlived Dido. how can she not, she was 14 when Dido was concieved and 15 when Dido was born. by the time Dido died she was only 57.
😂are you deaf? the video literally said Dido received way less than Lady Elizabeth. Dido received £500, Lady Elizabeth received £40,000. they should have spelled it out😂 to avoid people like you twisting the truth
@@southernindigo1973Lady Elizabeth and Dido were 2nd cousin and both have equal share of kinship, both being Lord Mansfield's great nieces. but of course Lady Elizabeth carried the Murray name
that's just the stupid movie plot, but in real life, it was her cousin that was wanted and super rich, while Dido was penniless and unwanted DIdo got £500, Lady Elizabeth received £40,000
I found this after seeing the trailer for the movie. I had no idea this movie existed and never heard about her before. What rock have I been living under? Definitely going to give this a watch
. When the Mansfields were entertaining, Belle did not eat with the guests. A 2007 exhibit at Kenwood suggests that she was treated as "a loved but poor relation", and therefore did not always dine with guests, as was reported by Thomas Hutchinson.[1] He said Belle joined the ladies afterwards for coffee in the drawing-room.[1]In 2014, author Paula Byrne wrote that Belle's exclusion from this particular dinner was pragmatic rather than the custom
Paula Byrne is just an idIot, pragmatic my btt! she even glossed over the fact that Dido was given £500, while Lady Elizabeth was given £40,000 that's pragmatic too?👀🙄
For her birthday they would set up her room all nice just to celebrate her. Dido is so beautiful 😍 when guests would come over they would be so mad about how well they treated her.
This is sad. We know how she came about and we know there was no honor to her mother. No legal protection sounds like today, a living hell. Say it together, boys and girls, illegitimate.
Actually if you look at the picture closely you’d see it’s as if Dido wanted to sit or be in the pic with her cousin and her cousin playfully pushes her away and before dido leaves it’s as if she’s trying to get herself painted in the picture snick fully.😉Just a thought.
@@whayes8084 Im pretty sure that’s a woman she’s wearing earrings and a dress. Notice how her dress is puffy and long where as the men’s coats just sort of fall and are short. The sleeve and shoulder is also a very feminine look for that time.
@@blissinchains he gave Eliz £10,000.. BUT... he also gave Eliz 2 unmarried aunts £22,000, he knew very well when her aunt died Eliz will inherit the money and she did..., she also got £7,000 from her father, who knows how much from her rich mother in total Lady Elizabeth got £40,000 - £50,000 while Dido got £500.... mind you Lord Mansfield was really rich! Duke of Devonshire illegitimate daughter (£30,000) got more than his legitimate daughter (£10,000) by Georgiana duchess of Devonshire
@@blissinchainsalso Lord Mansfield drawn a marriage contract to protect Elizabeth! basically her wealth will remained her wealth and be used as her widow jointure, after her death it will be given to their children, they did no such thing for Dido, so all her money belonged to her husband
her father was broke😂 and he didn't left Dido a single penny... her cousin got £40,000 from her father 😂and Lord Mansfield lmao the movie is the fakest ever
Maybe the inheritance difference was because one woman was his daughter and one was his niece. I feel like most people would leave their own children more than they’d leave a charge.
what an interesting story, i definitely want to see the film. it’s nice to know that not everyone back then was an awful racist jerk 😬 it saddens me that her great uncle had to explicitly state in his will that she was a free woman in order to protect her, but it tells one what kind of man he was that he made sure to do so.
She has no descendants but her cousin might, so she may have some great (great great great...) Nieces/ nephews (because descendants are direct offspring like kids or grand kids)
@@Agforever12Lady Elizabeth had a lot of descendants. one of them her great grandson was Denys Finch Hatton, his story was made into a movie too😂 in out of Africa and actress Anna Chancellor
Hatton... they were from a long line established aristocrat. they descended from Sir Christopher Hatton, Queen Elizabeth I favourite and lord chancellor
Does anyone know why Belle is pointing to the right side of her face/ jaw????? Her job duties were to over see the dairy and chicken department. Maybe she is trying to tell us not to eat grapes or certain fruits????? Please make a comment on your thoughts!
@Sonya underwood- Great question. One of the great things about art is the interpretation and hidden meanings. She is pointing at her dimple, and she is being humorous. She is wearing an Indian Sikh Royal Turban. Maybe she is pretending to be an Indian or Moorish princess, and having fun. Or perhaps they had her passing as Indian (from India). But she looks happy.
i bet people looked at Dido Elizabeth Belle, and didn't care she was the child of someone with 'substance'. She was black and that was all they saw. :/ Only nowadays is she seen as extraordinary.
Dido was obviously not free. Her Uncle could not have left a will bestowing freedom on someone who was not a slave and was already presumably free. Also, she appeared to not be treated equal to her cousin. The painting of her shows her as a servant girl, not as an equal. Any other narrative sounds absurd.
He was the son of Sir Alexander Lindsay, 3rd Baronet and his wife Amelia, daughter of David Murray, 5th Viscount Stormont. Lindsay is thought to have found Maria Belle held as a slave on a Spanish ship which his forces captured in the Caribbean; he appears to have taken her as his concubine (see plaçage).[5] Lindsay returned to London after the war in 1765 with his young daughter, Dido Belle. When they arrived in England he took her to Kenwood House just outside the city, the home of his uncle, William Murray, 1st Earl of Mansfield, and his wife Elizabeth Murray, Countess of Mansfield. Belle was baptised as Dido Elizabeth Belle in 1766 at St. George's, Bloomsbury. The Murray family raised Belle as an educated woman along with their niece and Dido's cousin, Lady Elizabeth Murray, whose mother had died. However, Belle remained a slave until Mansfield finally granted her freedom from slavery in his will in 1793.[6] A contemporary obituary of Sir John Lindsay, who had eventually been promoted to admiral, acknowledged that he was the father of Dido Belle, and described her: "[H]e has died, we believe, without any legitimate issue but has left one natural daughter, a Mulatta who has been brought up in Lord Mansfield's family almost from her infancy and whose amiable disposition and accomplishments have gained her the highest respect from all his Lordship's relations and visitants."[1] At one time, historians thought her mother was an African slave on a ship captured by Lindsay's warship during the Battle of Havana (1762),[7]but this specific date is unlikely, as Dido was born in 1761.[4] At Kenwood HouseEdit  Painting of Dido Elizabeth Belle (l) and her cousin Elizabeth Murray (r). The Earl and Countess of Mansfield lived at Kenwood House in Hampstead, just outside the City of London. Childless, they were already raising their motherless great-niece, Lady Elizabeth Murray, born in 1760. It is possible that the Mansfields took Belle in to be Lady Elizabeth's playmate and, later in life, her personal attendan Her father did not claim her so she didn't inherit his wealth his obituary and will been revised by people wanting to distort shit into a romantic novel and like i said she was a slave
Dido received an inheritance from her father when he died she already had money before her uncle died, miss Murray didn't have an inheritance probably why the uncle gave her more, based on the movie anyway.
based on the movie are you hearing yourself? well, based on real life real record. Dido's father left her nothing, he has 5 illegitimate children from 5 different woman, he only gave 500 each to his 2 illegitimate children which bear his last name, dido didn't bear his last name. her uncle knowing this only gave Dido 500, while he gave the rich Lady Eliz 10000 Lady Elizabeth was given 17000 pound upon marriage to aristocrat heir, and another 10000 when lord mansfield died, her aunt also left their wealth and property to Lady Eliz, making her in total heiress of £40,000 with £2000 a year income
I honestly think that African English history was less than African American history both involved slavery & harsh racism but stories like this seems that slavery ended before American's slavery
@@mchobbit2951 yes Frederick Douglas even fled to England from USA to avoid being returned to slavery his English friends actually bought his freedom which enabled him to return to USA as a free person
Because the British abolished it and actually policed the entire west coast of Africa to make sure it stayed abolished. The east coast, well. The Arabs took millions.
fiction, a disingenuous one too considering it was the opposite Lady elizabeth was the heiress left a huge inheritance from her family, Dido was so broke... Dido got £500 vs Elizabeth £40,000-£45,000. her family literally gave Elizabeth more money even though she was already savely married to a wealthy Aristocrat and heir to Earldom title... with £15,000 a year...😂 Dido's married life barely had income of £150 a year
South Africa was never a British ex Slave colony. It started off as a protectorate administered by the British South Africa Company of Cecil Rhodes and financed mainly by the Rothchild family.
Only today on BBC1 the 'Fake or Fortune' #FakeOrFortune arts history programme investigated this beautiful and critical painting, whereby they discovered the artist. It is owned and displayed by Lord & Lady Mansfield in their Scone Palace, Perthshire, Scotland.
So where is the rest of her inheritance and where is her family today obviously she must have had children which children grow up to have their children and someone they just keep talking about her and who are her family today is she still rich is the family storage where do they live today
Her and her cousin have a real sparkle in that painting. Probably very happy young ladies.
GOD BLESS, HER UNCLE FOR SEEING HER AS A PART OF HIS FAMILY, TRUELY A REAL MAN OF HIS TIME.
Arnold, at least in the movie, Belle's dad was adamant that his uncle n his household treat Belle as an equal. They obliged him cause he was righteous n put his foot down saying how he loved her n her mother. .,.. they made her eat in the kitchen with the servants. They probably didn't treat her right, especially after her dad died........ ... Marsha.
They still treated her as a lesser, she wasn’t usually eating with guests and she wasn’t supposed to come out as a lady to high society. She was essentially kept as a paid servant to her family but was left an inheritance because of their blood relation. Trust me they were progressive for their time, but they were not treating everyone fairly. Even in the portrait she had to be depicted as a servant holding a tray or else people would call it a scandal.
@@terrelllewis7508 ...ahha Sir John Lindsay was rightous?😂 that's a good joke...
let me just say Dido's mom an enslaved woman was 14 when she got pregnant with Dido....
Sir John got 5 illegitimate kids from 5 different women.. who knows how many else enslaved women he had liasons with...
and Sir John died in 1788! probably living in Scotland with his 2 illegitimate children, Lady Elizabeth already married at 1785 no longer live at Kenwood, have 2 kids already by 1788.
Sir John only left money to 2 of his other illegitimate children, nothing to Dido not even an acknowledgement
She was a part of the family they didn’t HAVE TO SEE ANYTHING
@@actuallyimnotreallysureyet6360I think they definitely did care about her as family but they had to be very careful because of the family's image and for her safety too.
At least the man took care of his child.
martine. mjt no he didn’t his brother did
@@cashmoneychanel1209 no it and her father's uncle that took care of her
Melrose201 But he brought her there. So many times in the US, a slave owner would have sex with his slaves and then sell his own children!
Dave Woods
You’re exactly right Dave.
@@cashmoneychanel1209 Her father died, left her an inheritance and he made sure she was set up as well as she could be, even getting a second enhaitence from the uncle. She was better off where he left her.
Dido looks so pretty in the picture, dont you agree?
I agree
both women do
It’s a portrait.
I preferred the actress who played her over her in the painting/portrait.
@@nadiashireensiddiqi yeah the actress is really beautiful
@@fomalhauto ok
I love this story so much and I love the movie "Belle." More people need to watch it.
Awsamazing Eden just watched it
Where can I watch I’ve been looking for this movie
Awsamazing Eden one of the best movies l have ever seen
I too love the story and the movie.
@@karmabellarose8909 Netflix might still have it. That's how I seen it.
I wish this what I learned about in history
Me too
So sad that this is not taught!! check out Queen Charlotte of Mecklenburg Strelitz!!
Owusu(◕ᴗ◕✿)(•‿•) Jamie's where are yu for 1 year ago?
And what are yu doing now)?
@@alsaulso1332the German Dialllo
@trucker night train 3.0 Griffith LOL
It's interesting that the artist portrayed them so differenly. They were supposedly raised as equals, yet Belle'scousin is dressed in the fashion of the time but Belle is dressed as an "exotic ethnic". Just something I found curious.
there is a video by crows eye production that talks about why might’ve dido was in what she was wearing that might help you
Exotic maybe, but she was also dressed in a fashionable. albeit, costumey, way for the period, turbans were extremely popular head pieces even among men, not to mention that she is wearing an expensive silk dress and expensive pearl jewelry. It has been mentioned that the artist, David Martin, may have picked Belle's costume.
She is wearing a silk dressing robe type dress, which was coming into fashion as something to be worn around the house when you were not entertaining guests. The artist who painted her and her cousin excelled in painting gauzey fabrics, hence the flowly guazey shawl around her arms, as well. Also I suppose it could be a nod to her ethnic background but, in the Crow's eye production they say she might have chosen to wear it or the artist could have chosen it. Turbans and head scarves for African women were worn by a lot of women at the time as well. Her's is probably dressed up with the feather to show her status. Women of high society wore feathers in their hair.
@@bee2022 I think that the essential thing to remember is that a servant would not be dressed in such a fashion which is why I am perplexed that she eventually was described as a servant when mentioned at all.
omfug She wasn’t described as a servants all. It said here she “was brought up as a Lady”. She was left an inheritance by her uncle and he specified that she was a free woman.
Being treated almost as an equal is not being treated well. Although, they loved her, and treated her well enough.
Color was less of an issue vs being illegitimate. While illegitimate children of a monarch could marry into nobility, less so with others. If you read Vanity Fair that took place around 1810-1820 a match was proposed between George Osborne, the white son of a wealthy merchant and a black heiress from the West Indies.
@@mtngrl5859 if her father would have never lain with her black mother which I'm sure was a no no she would not have been illegitimate. There is no way she could have been legitimate in those times.
@@trichellevargas2908 Not a moral judgment on my part. My point was that being illegitimate was more of the issue than the color of her skin.
How Do You Measure ENOUGH ???
She unfortunately had to contend with both her ethnicity and being an illegitimate child. Being illegitimate, no matter what your race was very looked down upon, you paid the price for your parents "sin"
He had two beautiful young ladies and he showed and taught them to love and respect one another.❤
The school children are so sweet. It’s interesting to hear their take on history. I think that it’s important that history is not romanticized.
Jane Austin isn't for you 😂
As a biracial person I love the fact that I have two cultures and I can learn about the history of the two different cultures.
Haus of Gemini I pray my children have the same beautiful mind set as you !! They biracial as well
Whites don’t have a culture silly
And one is a very brutal culture that enslaved, raped, stole land and murdered people the world over...
@dwone jones Why do you talk like that?
@@lhbfiness1251 dont talk about Islam like that!
Her face in the photo is the definition of "Carefree black girls".
Lisa13245 she is adorable. How could anyone enslave her? Jesus Christ almighty what was wrong with human society at that time?
Lisa13245 I'm still moved to tears when I see her adorable face and try to imagine what the racism did to her self esteem and confidence?
@@bigbreadeaterellis no how can anyone enslave another human regardless of looks man get some scruples
How the Hell is that the definition of carefree black girls when she was biracial, she was referred to as mulatto not black and her whole story is about her being of mixed race
@@tigerlily976
a lot of people believe in the oudated,stupid,racist one drop rule
Belle was a great film. Check it out, guys.
I saw most of it, I agree it was a good film.
I watched it today after seeing your msg, thanks! It was wonderful!!!
I'm sure they changed a lot to make the slave owner look like a saint...
her eyes are huge and pretty
Damn right? i find huge eyes very attractive
I did a project on dido in high school ten years ago till this day the most fascinating woman I’ve researched
This is really interesting, I wish there was more known about Dido.
Jennifer Maynard what we do know is that she was an adorable woman. How could anyone treat her as an inferior
Jennifer Maynard I didn't even know her😟😟
I believe there is a movie about her.
Erazer
Yup there is it’s called Belle- this video was suggested for me because I was rewatching one of the scenes.
Jennifer Maynard I know right
How come I've never learned of her before this? This should be in our history books! Not just the bad stuff!
You're late is all, but check out the movie Belle
It's definitely interesting, but part of that interest is how unusual it was for the time. If "stories like this" were in the history books a lot it would make it seem normal, ...and it wasn't. Dido, while still not treated as "family" as her cousin was acknowledged and left in a will AT ALL. That just didn't happen back then.
I grew up in West London & spent a lot of time around Hampstead Heath & Kenwood but nobody ever told the story of Dido - what a shame, such an interesting piece of history too !
@@veronicaroach3667 i mean Dido was virtually unknown since she was alive until she died... and long after that, it was only now that she became "popular" so to speak just because she was black lol
She was so beautiful.
And kind and loving.
I wish others would be that way.
She was well loved and her uncle took lengths to protect her rights, freedom and independence. And her inheritance testify to this.
yes she got £500, while her rich cousin was given £40,000🙄 she was already married to a rich man with fortune of £100,000 and £20,000 a year
I wish if I got to meet her, she seems like she was really patient❣️
Omg i just got finished watching the film it was so good.
I wonder how much of this is true.... I question ALL of these stories. 🧐
As black people, we have to question them. We were rarely the ones recording the information.
Well she was something important because trust me it’s rare for Black people to be painted at all let alone as beautiful and happy as she was. Also she did marry and have kids of her own, so her family knows her story.
None take it from an irishwoman white english ppls idea of what is treating you well when they dont see you as human is how they treat a dog
@@TheLeoGoddess88 they prob had her sit at dinner like some kind of 'partypiece' im also guessing that the painting was done from some englishman with a strange fedish
Daniélín NicG actually the picture was suppose to just be of her cousin but they decided to put both girl in it cause they grew up like sisters. Her father left her his money, she had money let’s not forget this. She didn’t have the title cause she was a bastard. The woman had a good life. Which is why she stands out because she is rare.
Very important part of history i'm sure there are more undocumented stories just like this one we all have no idea about👀i'm sure Dido Elizabeth Belle wasn't the first or the last👀
Both ladies have the same eyes//Beautiful
BBC, A Stitch In Time, recreates Dido’s fabulous dress. Worth watching.
Dido was the name of the queen of carthage, which is now Tunisia. No one knows for sure the meaning but some think it may be a female version of David, meaning beloved (Or it means wanderer). I cant help but think her family called her dido for a reason.
Dido was also common names for child born of the same circumstances, most of them became slve in the field.
it was said that her mother had a slave friend named Dido
I've seen the movie "Belle" a few times but didn't realize until now that it was based on a true story. Amazing movie!
it wasn't
I love the movie Belle💕💕
I have visited this villa before my son was born. It is amazing. Beautiful story, but a bit sad.
Now THAT'S, HOW Family, SHOULD take care of FAMILY! Because, she IS!! Like it or not, nothing anyone can do about it. NOTHING. NOONE. It's DEFINITELY NOT her mothers fault that Dido came into this world, The Way she did, and most DEFINITELY NOT Dido's fault. Gotta' admit though, they "hooked" Dido, Up!! God Blessed!! 🙌May she Rest In Peace🙏
Well with arranged marriages being common, many aristocratic had 10 or so illegitimate children, clearly not everyone wants to share their inheritance.
Its my first time hearing about Dido Elizabeth Belle I want to learn more about her very interesting
For anyone wondering how much £500 is was worth then (her uncle died in 1793) in today’s money, it's £71,886.03
for anyone wondering Lady Elizabeth got £10,000 and £7,000 from her father and £22,000 from her father's sisters...
totalling of £39,000, it's £5,607,108.40 today's money
and this without even knowing how much her mother had left her.. her mother was a rich heiress like really rich
lmao one got £70k and the other got £6million 😂😂😂😂
Such an interesting story!! And Dido was GORGEOUS, judging by the painting!!
THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS VIDIO!!!!
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beautiful movie, lady ...thank you Amma Asante for bringing ourstory to light!
I loved this movie from start to finish. I understand that its based of true historical events so they have to be as accurate as possible.
However, I do wish we could have had more scenes of Belle and her father or even Belle’s life with her biological mother but obvs 2hr film and all 😅
this movie is so fake, it is known Lady Elizabeth father Lord Stormont visit her often in kenwood and sent carriages for Eliz to visit her father at his home.
from existing evidence dido father actually has 5 other illegitimate children from 5 different woman, he didn't visit dido from the record that we have, nor does it likely as he was busy going here and there as officer/admiral.
this movie is fake from start to finish..... everything about dido was opposite.
in real life dido was poor, Lady Elizabeth was rich. Lady Eliz married first to Heir of double Earldom, then at 31 dido married a servant john daviniere, he wasn't lawyer he was a servant not even the servant at kenwood, so it might be possible if they met at market place.. but that's unlikely too since he is valet... valet usually marry maid.
the only fact in the movie is dido wasn't allowed to dine with guest.... much less attending exclusive party. obviously the movie faked this too suddenly she was at the party but keep the dinner rule which itself contradict it.
so this movie is as fake as bridgerton, none of the truth about dido's life abd experience even present, why? because dido wasn't rich enough? john the servant isn't prestigious enough? k
" based on true historical event..... so they have to be accurate " 🥴
sis the fake painting in the movie was drastically different from the original painting too, gone was her feathered turban.
this movie is so fake it hurts, the problem wasn't that they changed things but they changed the all the important fact and then revolve the entire movie in all fake fact they have fabricated
her faked wealth and Elizabeth faked poverty didn't happen so this storyline is impossible
John was servant/valet he won't be anywhere near lord mansfield... his fake lawyer profession and involvement storyline would also be impossible.
remove these 2 fabricated opposite fact and you won't have movie left lol...
ironically in real life😂 Dido's mother was alive all the time, she was the one who baptised Dido alone (John was god knows where, he didn't acknowledge Dido) infact her mother might even outlived Dido.
how can she not, she was 14 when Dido was concieved and 15 when Dido was born. by the time Dido died she was only 57.
I read the story, intrigued by it, now I have the famous picture on my dining room wall, BM salford
One of my favorite movies ever.
extremely inaccurate tho
She inherited more money than her cousin because her cousin was not wanted but she was and the proof is in your inheritance
Dido was illegitimate which was shameful in those days.
😂are you deaf? the video literally said Dido received way less than Lady Elizabeth.
Dido received £500, Lady Elizabeth received £40,000. they should have spelled it out😂 to avoid people like you twisting the truth
@@southernindigo1973Lady Elizabeth and Dido were 2nd cousin and both have equal share of kinship, both being Lord Mansfield's great nieces.
but of course Lady Elizabeth carried the Murray name
that's just the stupid movie plot, but in real life, it was her cousin that was wanted and super rich, while Dido was penniless and unwanted DIdo got £500, Lady Elizabeth received £40,000
I found this after seeing the trailer for the movie. I had no idea this movie existed and never heard about her before. What rock have I been living under? Definitely going to give this a watch
. When the Mansfields were entertaining, Belle did not eat with the guests. A 2007 exhibit at Kenwood suggests that she was treated as "a loved but poor relation", and therefore did not always dine with guests, as was reported by Thomas Hutchinson.[1] He said Belle joined the ladies afterwards for coffee in the drawing-room.[1]In 2014, author Paula Byrne wrote that Belle's exclusion from this particular dinner was pragmatic rather than the custom
Paula Byrne is just an idIot, pragmatic my btt! she even glossed over the fact that Dido was given £500, while Lady Elizabeth was given £40,000 that's pragmatic too?👀🙄
What an awesome movie. Love for her was obvious.
For her birthday they would set up her room all nice just to celebrate her. Dido is so beautiful 😍 when guests would come over they would be so mad about how well they treated her.
and when Lord Mansfield died he left Elizabeth £40,000 and Dido £500 😍 and dido's father actually left her nothing in real life
I love the portrait it bought me to tears when I saw the painting I notice she is 3 inches in the front as well as the painting with a caucasian.
Dido received £500, Lady Elizabeth received £45,000 now who is at the front again 👀
I have this movie and I loved it.
At 1:32 on the left what is going on
You're funny as shit for seeing that I had to go back lol
@@jordanwright4053
Yeah, what is going on with that!!!!!
@@charlotteziggy8353 I'm trying to figure it out lol
🤦🏾♀️😂good 👁
Lol I noticed it and wondered myself
Atleast she was accepted
I know about this story in a movie don’t remember the name but I loved her story
The name of the movie is Belle
Good Video!
The young lady said she was quite fortunate. Y ? Blacks are the original people . This WORLD needs to know & learn History. Like it or NOT.
Our Hidden history it’s going to take a million yrs for us to uncover SELF .
At least her claimed her! Most, if not almost all would have denied she even existed at that time.
Powerful story!
This is sad. We know how she came about and we know there was no honor to her mother.
No legal protection sounds like today, a living hell.
Say it together, boys and girls, illegitimate.
This made a good movie!
Actually if you look at the picture closely you’d see it’s as if Dido wanted to sit or be in the pic with her cousin and her cousin playfully pushes her away and before dido leaves it’s as if she’s trying to get herself painted in the picture snick fully.😉Just a thought.
Lord Mansfield left Dido £500, while her cousin get £45,000 👀 equal indeed, it's just her cousin worth 90x Dido in his eyes
Kenwood house is beautiful
VERY GOOD COMMENTARY.
THE MOVIE WAS FABULOUS! I LOVED IT! I WATCHED ABOUT 10 TIMES. GLORIA CLARK 9/2/19 NORTHEAST BALTIMORE
I don’t think her mom died. I think she was sold off into slavery and he took the child to keep her from being sold off as well.
Where fully your get that from? And why would he keep the child but send the mom to slavery or whichever way you think it happened?
i watched a movie based on this story or maybe it was , but it was really good
I’m mad that our school didn’t talk about this in history 🥺I wanna learn more about Dido .....I’m Mixed Too
Dido looked liked and just as beautiful as Shirley Bassey 😊
@1:35....What in the hell is going on in this scene on the left....
😭😭😭😭
I thought I was the only one who noticed!!
Wtf is that a black woman grabbing a white woman's breasts? That's so random. Is that some sort of comedic painting?
🙀
@@sowhat... that’s actually a black man.
@@whayes8084 Im pretty sure that’s a woman she’s wearing earrings and a dress. Notice how her dress is puffy and long where as the men’s coats just sort of fall and are short. The sleeve and shoulder is also a very feminine look for that time.
£500 , back then was a heck of a lot of money ! What a beautiful girl she was ♥️
their uncle gave Lady Elizabeth £40,000 :/
@@samanthasmith61 Because she was born of two wed parents. :')
@@blissinchains he gave Eliz £10,000.. BUT... he also gave Eliz 2 unmarried aunts £22,000, he knew very well when her aunt died Eliz will inherit the money and she did..., she also got £7,000 from her father, who knows how much from her rich mother
in total Lady Elizabeth got £40,000 - £50,000
while Dido got £500.... mind you Lord Mansfield was really rich!
Duke of Devonshire illegitimate daughter (£30,000) got more than his legitimate daughter (£10,000) by Georgiana duchess of Devonshire
@@blissinchainsalso Lord Mansfield drawn a marriage contract to protect Elizabeth! basically her wealth will remained her wealth and be used as her widow jointure, after her death it will be given to their children, they did no such thing for Dido, so all her money belonged to her husband
Saw the story last year very good one I might say
Watch the movie “Belle”, excellent story of Dido Elizabeth Belle-Lindsey, then Devinea.😍
Where did you find Devinea?
I'm SURE there were more than 15,000!
It is so difficult to go to Kenwood House !
Hopefully this will help you: www.english-heritage.org.uk/visit/places/kenwood/directions
I never heard of Dido but then I got this for school so I now know who she is.
OMG Z LOL
I always thought Kenwood was a haunted house. Now my mind is blowing. haha
HE FATHER LEFT A LOT OF MONEY TOO. I TRULY LOVE THE MOVIE BELLE.
her father was broke😂 and he didn't left Dido a single penny...
her cousin got £40,000 from her father 😂and Lord Mansfield lmao the movie is the fakest ever
One of my favorite movies
Rochelle Harden
This woman looks so much like me and her story is so similar to mine it is scaring the crap out of me!
Sounds like you got a or is it called a doppelganger
Alicia Clery reincarnation? Lol
@@PhullTyme like she got a what?
@@sowhat... copycat
You still alive?
Wow this is the first time I heard about the story why is this story just getting out
There ia a movie about her life called BELLE. It was released in 2013. It's pretty good. Give it a watch.
getting out? we know nothing of her aristocrat cousin Lady Elizabeth much less about illegitimate dido
I think the gesture to her smile was meant to be a message to others in her situation. Wear the mask that maya angelou references in her poem.
I LOVE history more ……
Maybe the inheritance difference was because one woman was his daughter and one was his niece. I feel like most people would leave their own children more than they’d leave a charge.
huh... both are lord Mansfield grand-nieces. dido grandma was his sister, Eliz grandpa was his brother and heir
Oh I love history and physics 💖
what an interesting story, i definitely want to see the film. it’s nice to know that not everyone back then was an awful racist jerk 😬 it saddens me that her great uncle had to explicitly state in his will that she was a free woman in order to protect her, but it tells one what kind of man he was that he made sure to do so.
But that's how it should of always been.Then it wouldn't be so surprising
So that’s it she had no relatives left smh. Crazy
She has no descendants but her cousin might, so she may have some great (great great great...) Nieces/ nephews (because descendants are direct offspring like kids or grand kids)
@@Agforever12Lady Elizabeth had a lot of descendants. one of them her great grandson was Denys Finch Hatton, his story was made into a movie too😂 in out of Africa
and actress Anna Chancellor
Lady Elizabeth Murray Married to a man Named Finch-Hattan And They’re great grandson was Dennis Finch-Hatten The game hunter from out of Africa
Hatton... they were from a long line established aristocrat.
they descended from Sir Christopher Hatton, Queen Elizabeth I favourite and lord chancellor
Very ✊🏾💯interesting Information
Does anyone know why Belle is pointing to the right side of her face/ jaw????? Her job duties were to over see the dairy and chicken department. Maybe she is trying to tell us not to eat grapes or certain fruits????? Please make a comment on your thoughts!
Good grief..it's just a pose.
Ann Mitchell 😂
@Sonya underwood- Great question. One of the great things about art is the interpretation and hidden meanings. She is pointing at her dimple, and she is being humorous. She is wearing an Indian
Sikh Royal Turban. Maybe she is pretending to be an Indian or Moorish princess, and having fun. Or perhaps they had her passing as Indian (from India). But she looks happy.
Maybe she's just trying to be cute.
i bet people looked at Dido Elizabeth Belle, and didn't care she was the child of someone with 'substance'. She was black and that was all they saw. :/ Only nowadays is she seen as extraordinary.
biracial
also black race is a social construct
same as white race
there is a lot of diversity in Africa and Europe to pin down as Black and White
I would love to find a picture of Harold Davinier
he was a white car mechanic
Dido was obviously not free. Her Uncle could not have left a will bestowing freedom on someone who was not a slave and was already presumably free.
Also, she appeared to not be treated equal to her cousin. The painting of her shows her as a servant girl, not as an equal.
Any other narrative sounds absurd.
you are right of course! i didn't see him acknowledging Lady Elizabeth freedom 😂
So despicable slavery still survives to this day.
Don't fall for it the exception not the rule
Exactly! People will be trying to push this like it was the norm.
He was the son of Sir Alexander Lindsay, 3rd Baronet and his wife Amelia, daughter of David Murray, 5th Viscount Stormont. Lindsay is thought to have found Maria Belle held as a slave on a Spanish ship which his forces captured in the Caribbean; he appears to have taken her as his concubine (see plaçage).[5] Lindsay returned to London after the war in 1765 with his young daughter, Dido Belle. When they arrived in England he took her to Kenwood House just outside the city, the home of his uncle, William Murray, 1st Earl of Mansfield, and his wife Elizabeth Murray, Countess of Mansfield. Belle was baptised as Dido Elizabeth Belle in 1766 at St. George's, Bloomsbury. The Murray family raised Belle as an educated woman along with their niece and Dido's cousin, Lady Elizabeth Murray, whose mother had died. However, Belle remained a slave until Mansfield finally granted her freedom from slavery in his will in 1793.[6]
A contemporary obituary of Sir John Lindsay, who had eventually been promoted to admiral, acknowledged that he was the father of Dido Belle, and described her: "[H]e has died, we believe, without any legitimate issue but has left one natural daughter, a Mulatta who has been brought up in Lord Mansfield's family almost from her infancy and whose amiable disposition and accomplishments have gained her the highest respect from all his Lordship's relations and visitants."[1] At one time, historians thought her mother was an African slave on a ship captured by Lindsay's warship during the Battle of Havana (1762),[7]but this specific date is unlikely, as Dido was born in 1761.[4]
At Kenwood HouseEdit

Painting of Dido Elizabeth Belle (l) and her cousin Elizabeth Murray (r).
The Earl and Countess of Mansfield lived at Kenwood House in Hampstead, just outside the City of London. Childless, they were already raising their motherless great-niece, Lady Elizabeth Murray, born in 1760. It is possible that the Mansfields took Belle in to be Lady Elizabeth's playmate and, later in life, her personal attendan
Her father did not claim her so she didn't inherit his wealth his obituary and will been revised by people wanting to distort shit into a romantic novel and like i said she was a slave
Dido received an inheritance from her father when he died she already had money before her uncle died, miss Murray didn't have an inheritance probably why the uncle gave her more, based on the movie anyway.
based on the movie are you hearing yourself?
well, based on real life real record. Dido's father left her nothing, he has 5 illegitimate children from 5 different woman, he only gave 500 each to his 2 illegitimate children which bear his last name, dido didn't bear his last name. her uncle knowing this only gave Dido 500, while he gave the rich Lady Eliz 10000
Lady Elizabeth was given 17000 pound upon marriage to aristocrat heir, and another 10000 when lord mansfield died, her aunt also left their wealth and property to Lady Eliz, making her in total heiress of £40,000 with £2000 a year income
I honestly think that African English history was less than African American history both involved slavery & harsh racism but stories like this seems that slavery ended before American's slavery
It seems that way because it did in fact end sooner than in the us (slavery).
@@mchobbit2951
yes
Frederick Douglas even fled to England from USA to avoid being returned to slavery
his English friends actually bought his freedom which enabled him to return to USA as a free person
Because the British abolished it and actually policed the entire west coast of Africa to make sure it stayed abolished. The east coast, well. The Arabs took millions.
Kids sound theyre from west London.
Hamsptead
They are not from
Hampstead. They don’t speak with North London Accent.
The movie portrayed her as being left with a large inheritance from her father. Fact or fiction?
Fact
fiction, a disingenuous one too considering it was the opposite Lady elizabeth was the heiress left a huge inheritance from her family, Dido was so broke... Dido got £500 vs Elizabeth £40,000-£45,000.
her family literally gave Elizabeth more money even though she was already savely married to a wealthy Aristocrat and heir to Earldom title... with £15,000 a year...😂
Dido's married life barely had income of £150 a year
FICTION FANTASY
South Africa was never a British ex Slave colony. It started off as a protectorate administered by the British South Africa Company of Cecil Rhodes and financed mainly by the Rothchild family.
So is that better or worse?
That was Rhodesia as it was named at the time.
I find this interesting.
Only today on BBC1 the 'Fake or Fortune' #FakeOrFortune arts history programme investigated this beautiful and critical painting, whereby they discovered the artist. It is owned and displayed by Lord & Lady Mansfield in their Scone Palace, Perthshire, Scotland.
I love this movie!💖
So where is the rest of her inheritance and where is her family today obviously she must have had children which children grow up to have their children and someone they just keep talking about her and who are her family today is she still rich is the family storage where do they live today
The last of her defendants died in the 70s with no children.
she had small inheritance, she married a servant, her last descendant was a car mechanic
belle history