Guys please be civil and respectful towards each other in the comment section. I appreciate healthy discussion with a good atmosphere, but please no trash talking or calling people names or being degrading towards others. thank you 🫶🏻🐉
Extra point: major weapon of Law is slide and WS from neutral. It is not so easy to do it reliably and what most important: fast. This may be the reason why in higher ranks main weapons of Law are not useful...
One other thing for Law's moveset are his number of aerial moves. Law as several jump kicks, flips, etc, but each are jabbed or interrupted out of the air way too easily and disproportionately so. It's insane really how a running 3 jump kick with an extended leg will still get cancelled by a jab or one of the thousands of armored heat engages for a free combo so easily. So it's like any jump move interrupted, almost all lows are launch punishable, and if you're against a Mishima, 1 1 2 is like the answer to everything in law's inventory. Also side step was nerfed in the game in general, but not for ff3, and as an added bonus, it's armor effect seems to be one of the slowest armor moves in the game. He's not a bad character, but no one acknowledges this.
I usually hate playing against law, and I am a law hater in general, but I agree with everything you said. As you mentioned, law is a scrub killer, and this game has a lot of them. This actually applies to every character that reddit cries about, except dragunov and jin.
Once you hit Gold Ranks on this game, like you said, there isn't one person that doesn't know the matchup. I been stuck between tekken emperor and tekken god for like 4 months personally. Every single win is earned
I gotta say, Law seems really strong in my experience, but I feel like the Law players let him down. Around Tekken King rank, I find they still spam d2,3 and such.
beacuse its tekken 8 . literaly bot can be tekken king . i have people in my steam friend list, that played tekken 7 for 10 years , and never got above mighty ruler , when tekken 8 cameout , they became fujin in 10 days
First of all, I’m not embarasssed to say that laws 1,1,1 heat engager shouldn’t be punished. Without it, he would just b a normal character !! The only reason why he’s solid in tekken 8 is because of the numbchuck addition they added to him . Other than that, there isn’t anything SPECIAL about him. Other characters have WAY better stuff going for them. Law was supposed to be a fast counter hit character but u no what? He doesn’t even have the most counter hit moves. I don’t even think his frame data’s as good as people make it sound. Bryan’s got way more counter moves.. Steve probably does too . Steve’s also got a lot a lot of fast moves that’re like frame 13….. Laws oki is average , maybe slightly above average but he’s not kazuya or any of the mishima players ! He’s not Bryan ! And people on Reddit and RUclips love to make law sound like he’s plus on every move, no he’s not!! he’s minus on SO many of his moves. And also, law is HARD to rank up with . When I first started using law , I found out that people knew how to duck and punish his moves way earlier in the rank system than they did when I played.. let’s say.. Yoshi? Bruh, I didn’t meet people that legitimately knew the counter play to yoshi until I got to tekken king level in tekken 7 and they still sucked. Law on the other hand isn’t going to carry you like that. You have to learn how to play at a higher level pretty early with him compared to other characters so I’m not surprised people in orange ranks are struggling with him. He’s easy to use but HARD to win with and HARD to master . And he’s not a “free” character either. Other characters have more interesting things about that should be nerfed like their gaurd breaks or garunteed crouch grab set ups ! some characters. Can launch you from half way across the screen like LEO. Like noo nooooo. Laws perfectly fine the way he is and I’m not apologizing for my comment . He’s the definition of FAIR. Also, a lot of characters have hear engagers that allow them to punish moves. Most of them start at frame 14 though . Laws 1,1,1 is the only thing he’s got going for him. All his other moves that are amazing are punishable as fuck , even the numbchuck. Other characters that are hard to win with are Characters like asuka. My point is .. law and asuka are characters EVERYONE knows the match up for. If you don’t know the match up by now then hit the lab.
steve 😂😂😂😂😂😂 the "counterhit paragon" he is supposed to be the counterhit charactee but half of the roster is better than him than that. He got all of his ch removed in tekken 8
Picked up Law because of his character design, and that was it. No looking back. I struggle through matches as though Im Sisyphus, but no one actually told me to roll that boulder up the hill. In fact everyone that walks up the hill just tells me to walk around the boulder before continuing on themselves I am way to stubborn for my own good and get in the way of my own progress. Law has not carried me anywhere. Instead I am dragging him behind me to each match.
I think law is just hated at low level to intermediate level because he’s quite strong at those levels. Once you reach high level play that hate drops off because people know how to face him. There are a few characters that are like this as well.
Good comment. Extra point: DSS is not guaranteed plus frames. For various reasons sometimes you have plus frame, sometime you do not. So DSS is possibility of getting better (although not incredible) frames. Easiest to compare him to Hwo - Hwo has always hit frames, Law may get it (and they are worse btw). There is a reason why we have just single really solid Law player at the top (Double) and one second league (not meaning he is weak - simply he is not top 10 i.e. Mangja).
Important video, law players have to be a bit more vocal sometimes about these things because the echo chambers on reddit/twitter can get really annoying. Im pretty sure it was TMM who first talked about how "super brain dead easy" law is and everyone keeps parroting it without realizing that literally every character got dumbed down and that laws gameplan is a bit complicated and he still has dss timings to worry about. Also about dragon tail being the worst move, i actually think they gutted jacks debugger even harder now, jacks debugger used to be i24 but it's i29 now and just like dragon tail doesn't get the benefits of a snake edge, however u at least have to consciously use debugger and cant missinput it like dragontail.
Yeah with main man hes a tekken g.o.d level player so he has to be careful what he says. Just bc its piss easy for him doesnt mean that represents the majority of the player base
law's dragon tail , is never meant to be thrown from neutral , its only for wall splat , when ur opponent is a bit far away , to do regular 4,3 dss3 wallender . So you do junkyard , with dragon tail ender.
if a kazuya player has any chance to outright lie saying any other character is shit easy and their character is so hard because doing an electric gives them orgasms then they will do it
Law NEEDS slide, the entire gameplan is based around enforcing the existence of slide & its mixups. He doesn’t have enough NH launchers, so his slide needs to be high reward.
So what I understand from this video is that you need easy character + strong character on paper for that character to achieve high win rate at high level play. Based on statistics, Law has near worst win rate at high level play and below average win rate at intermediate level play. Ppl confused being easier than Tekken 7 Law to mean that Tekken 8 Law is easy. Recaling LowHigh's (prior Law main) reason for dropping Law, LowHigh said Law was good on paper but he can't win (at top level play). LowHigh switched to Shaheen and based on the statistics, Shaheen is significantly higher at high level play, which happens to match LowHigh's interview. Likewise, tier whores players at top level tournament play don't pick Law from what I see in tournaments either, matching the stats. Even when Knee dropped his main to pick top characters for tournaments, Knee didn't use Law, Pakistan didn't use Law, etc. This means that either Law is actually not good on paper (ppl couldn't decipher it), or it means Law's execution is difficult to practically implement in actually gameplay. To summarize, those who complained about Law actually exposed themselves, because Law is slightly below average at lower level play, and near worst at high level play according to the charts in this video.
All these tier lists even from popular youtubers/streamers were so wrong when it comes to Law. Almost everyone said Law is S or A tier and an easy character but the overall negative winrate suggests that he is far from S tier and the fact that his winrate is about the same in low and high ranks suggests that he simply is not an easy character otherwise in low ranks his winrate should be significantly higher.
Im battle ruler with law he is my only main I enjoy the challenge of mastering him I'm willing to learn other characters just so I can get better with law
Played Law since T4. He's never been easier to play and was never able to hang with the top tier, he's high mid tier. The only good low move he has is his slide but he's left vulnerable because it's not instant. Not the best launchers and most people know when the launching throw is coming and how to break it.
I play Kaz since tekken 3, but law is my secondary main since tekken 4. I'd say law isn't as hard as kaz if you want to be a wave dashing kaz, but he was very hard to master since tekken 4 when they introduced DSS. I think Law in tekken 6 requires the most execution because almost everything requires iDSS. A lot of younger law players don't know how hard to hit law's wall combo ender iDSS f+3 in tekken 6 especially female characters. They made that hard iDSS f+3 easier to hit in tekken 7. But even they made DSS easier in tekken 8 he is still very hard to master at high level gameplay. Knee has said this so many times before and that's why not many pro Asian players using law in tournaments including a law main before, lowhigh and he doesn't use law any more in tournaments. Lot of salty players are from the west and I don't hear so many complaints from the east. In Asia most players know law isn't that easy to master and they are more respectful. I think because Asia players have more understanding of characters and tekken system, they don't whine like western players. Only weaker players love to complain and whine because they can't win with their character.
Hey Lambkin, love your Law content, it convinced me to pick him up. Are you considering an Anti Character series? I literally have no idea how to deal with Ling for example.
I’ve previously done some viewer match analysis where I focus on specific matchups and I’m continuing that series in the future. It’s on a playlist on my channel called “I analyse your law gameplay”
I’d like to think I have an okay law which I could take to Fujin probably - but then is we how you use him and it’s a world of difference. And that’s where all this talk usually leads to imo, the players skill outweighs the characters strength necessarily
Hey I gotta say that I like Law a lot. I tried him a bit in previous games and I learned the slide trick with the analog sticks through your videos 😂. I don't use him in tournament because I find him not as dominant as my main. For me, his command of the neutral isn't quite as overwhelming as other characters. He still has to poke quite a lot for lower reward. I don't mind eating slides or db3 because of this. Choosing when to act after b4b cannot be understated too. How to threaten the FC timing correctly is tricky too. Kudos for sticking to him
Another thing I want to add about dragon tail is since I play raven & shaheen & I’ve never had an issue w inputting my d4 over my db4. Like I understand your sentiment but I don’t think that’s something occurs too much. I’ve had miss inputs but mainly in combos or an accidental d1 In regards to dragon tail. Even tho it’s risky as hell I don’t think law players should be afraid to throw it out since moves like that are what law is about & it’s one of his coolest moves imo
Funny just yesterday TMM trash talked law because of DSS change that he’s super easy and I feel like it’s just not true tekken is more then DSS. I’m Fujin law and I feel like I earn every win in ranked against blue ranks and I’m standing at 52% W/L, Great vid lambkin learning from you a lot about law 🥋❤
22:55 what you said here is the same reason why i don't understand people calling jin SS tier broken where in fact you don't really need to duck him except on reaction.
@@theonegreat4978 exactly. Jin is super strong. Nobody is gonna deny that. But he has some issues that are handicapping him at high level play. Many of the same handicaps as law. Jin is the most popular character. Everyone knows the matchup. He’s got the same shitty movement as law, besides d2 his lows are very underwhelming. His execution was also simplified a lot in this game, but he is still rather complex. Is he super obnoxious to play against? Yes, but his win rate online is trash at high level play.
Law's a weird one I have him in my roster but I'm not doing fantastic on him past a certain point he is mainly a knowledge check character for the most part and is most brutal to newer players both as and against. Law is basically a scrub killer character I just don't have a solid enough foundation of him to truly go ham. If you DO grasp Law the way he's supposed to be done though the level of havoc is enough to make most of the community Plug though since Law IS strong if done decent.
I've played tekken for 20 some years, during that time I've never played a lot of Law but I have respect for Law mains! Ppl that complain about him don't know the match up. In lower ranks I see ppl getting tossed with junkyard and dragon tail 😂 and I'm sure that makes him look "cheap" to newer players that can't yet react and for sure that makes him seem op. But higher lvl of play when the "gimmicks" no longer work he has to work hard with fundamentals and adapting to the player. Imo Paul, Law, Bryan, Kaz and dvj are the only normal tekken chars in 8. Im just waiting for my main of 20 years to be here hei! Great video I enjoyed it, maybe we will cross paths in ranked one day as I don't see any Laws in God ranks and when I do it's a fun battle with a STRONG player no carry for Law. Peace
I agree with you Lambkin. Hope the devs bring back that launching properties of the 2nd hit of his hit smash and bring back some of his launching lows. Statistics don't lie. Poor win rate means the character is lacking something and I think those two is what he need to get back up.
People hate fighting Law because he was given a lot of gimmicky stuff that reduces how interesting it is to fight him. No one uses Banana Peel, Poison Arrow, etc. 99% of people reduce Law to: - 1,1,1 - Slide - Nunchucks - Throw launcher - Power crush kick And it's effective, to blue ranks. It turns the Law match into "Did you guess the 50/50 right?" much more than a lot of other characters, which is unfun. That's not entirely "Law's fault", because people are choosing to play him that way. But we could then say this about Dragunov's 4 moves that make up 90% of his fights, Jin's 5 moves, etc etc. Compare with characters that most people are okay with fighting... they tend to be characters who can't rely on a handful of moves. Bryan, Steve, Lee, etc. As for Dragon Tail... Rising Sun is still the worst move in the game (and I'm not a Kazuya main, ew). The full 4 hits anyway. Dragon Tail is really bad, but what could be worse than Rising Sun? It's a legacy move that was made because it looked really cool back in the day, and it's useless in modern Tekken.
Correction I use banana peel It’s good for a lot of set ups that a lot of. Other Law players don’t use I mean I am a tech in emperor now and it is not easy with law. We have no low launcher.
@@ultimit_taijutso you have a launching throw, that's even better than a launching low, for several reasons: - Many launching lows tornado, so you can't get a full combo - A launching low blocked is itself launched. When you break a launching throw you both just return to neutral - Launching lows have 20 to 30+ frames of start up
Because law doesn’t have the same tools as the characters with higher win ratio at higher level play, that’s my opinion. I feel like you have to be a great player + be extremely skilled with Law to be successful at higher ranks.
Its so funny that fighting game players don't understand that high win rate and low pick rate go together, if you've ever played any hero shooters (not Concord, obviously) / MOBAs you'll know this is true, but even then its just basic knowledge surely. It honestly hurts my brain that people can't figure this out. I haven't played much since I was at VSFighting (for some reason I ended up in the mens room with Double multiple times lmao) but I fear Law is going to be nerfed in the next patch thanks to all the unfounded discourse around him since Double won that tournament. I fear it'll be difficult to get back into the game if he does get nerfed too much, especially at a time where the game feels due a balance patch. The only thing r/tekken ever gets right is hating on the terrible matchmaking system. People on Reddit approach Tekken 8 like its a hyper competitive first person shooter, reading all the salt on there makes me want to get a lobotomy.
@@MagnaLynx21 I don’t think they’re gonna keep nerfing him as long as is win rate is so low. I hope they are gonna balance the game based on stats and data, and not on who can make the loudest dissatisfied sounds.
Yo lambkin I got a question that’s been bugging me for a while I know statistically law sidestep and backdash is one of the worst but is there a reason why when I play law compared to other characters he feels very quick moving around and twitchy which I like but I don’t get the same feeling with other characters with statistically better movement idk would appreciate a response from anyone with answers great vid btw 👌
Idk I can’t really say if it’s your subjective experience. In my own experience I have about 10-11 characters ranked up right now and I can feel a very clear difference (in a negative way) from when I play law to when I play for example feng, yoshi, Leroy etc. with law I often integrate his ub3 (fake flip) and dss crouch dash into my movement so it helps a bit with fluidity. But I definitely feel severely handicapped in terms of basic movement, and especially in terms of backdashing, when I play Law.
Idgaf what anyone says I’m a Tekken King Law main and when I tell you “you gotta work hard for that W when ya playing at higher level play especially with law” I mean that shit and a lot of people can anticipate his moves because he’s been in the game for 3 decades and I agree with Lambkin 100%
Law is dope. People can say what they want. Every character has their weaknesses. They wanna roast law but forget about how broken alisa or dragunov are….
People always talking about us law players we literally had the same move set for years. It’s not our fault that you guys defense stinks. Honestly I’m tired of it everybody gets a launcher off of heat smash even if they’re clipped but yet with law all we get is a knockdown but it’s all good. That’s what makes us players so strong we know how to get in and out of if y’all haven’t look me up.
I’m not finished watching but if you know fighting you can win with a fundamental character like law that’s why I like tekken bc some aspects are really sim lol
I just need them to fix his range, tracking, and bugged dss. That's literally it. I'm tired of missing at point blank range, and dropping combos, because he's slightly off axis. They fixed shaheen and lars, who had the same issue in T7, but they didn't fix laws.
I tend to agree. I don’t think they need to nerf/ buff anything really. Just fix his movement and hitbox issues and adjust some small things here and there
Manual DSS into blue spark moves exist, which can also be chained in combos for even more execution, Law haters: "Law is easy, DSS is easy, no skill is needed."
Is there anything at all law has that didn't already exist (save for the nunchucks) During 7's time, seeing a law player in tourney was like seeing bigfoot. People just hate what they dont lab 🤦
super easy execution, wich was never case before , law's full power was locked behind such a tricky and hard execution , now in 8 literaly no satisfaction pulling off combo , i have like 60 hours and i am Fujin already with , law i literaly uninstaled it and went back to 7
@DEUSVULT822 fujin really isn't that hard to reach. Should've been done in less then 60 hours if you're a t7 player. But hey. All power to you. One less player that's not enjoying 8
@lambkin I have always said this about Law: Law is a valid mid tier character; I feel validated because you have stated everything about Law, the good and bad that I have argued over online for people talking shit about him. BUT one thing is damn sure, in the category of being the FUNNEST character to use, Law is SS Tier. There are no two ways about it!!! (Steve and Yoshi can fight for the 2nd and 3rd place). Thank you for this video.
Yeah I wanted to try law out but I love how lee took jeetkundo's methodology, "take everything that is useful, take out the useless, and make it your own" basically his own version of MMA
This is a really good logical assessment but let's not forget that majority sentiment (none of the people that actually go into the minutia of the game) boils down to the fact that they find law annoying mainly because of his screams, and they hate losing to a "not cool" character. Therefore, when he DOES get any buff people think "why does a JOKE character get these buffs? This guy's supposed to be cannon fodder!" I wonder when we'll start using mountain dew to water our crops..
🐉🔥 I think all the ppl who are salty about Law are just mad because they dont know the matchup. I find the way Law can blow you up and win quickly makes people salty. He has a lot of sneaky lows, powerful damaging moves and he can just blow ppl up if players dont know the matchup. Great video Bro as always and tganks for sharing the data. I think hes a fair character and Im happy Law is finally high tier ( I believe hes high tier).
Even tho I normally hate fighting law I agree w most of what you say here bro. I especially agree w your sentiment that even tho dss execution was made easier doesn’t mean it’s easier to optimize for high lvl play I still don’t agree in saying law doesn’t have many good lows. His other lows, besides slide, are still better than other lows the rest of the cast has. b/c he has a lot of powerful mids, bt,/ss/crouch mixups & a complete throw game to mix them up w his lows. And his slide is the most bs slide imo b/c it’s unreactable & mildly unseeable. Plus when did you ever see Bruce Lee slide on anyone in his classic movies? Lol
I didn’t say his lows aren’t good. They are. I said they’re not worth ducking and risking a mid. Except for slide. Slide mixup is pretty much the only way you are gonna make people duck in higher level play. Because his lows outside of slide, are underwhelming, and not worth ducking. Good, yes but underwhelming in comparison to others.
@@Lambkin-_- ok this makes a lot sense. Thank you for clarifying brother and I do genuinely agree Even just buffing the dragon tail and banana peel a little bit could fix that issue Without the slide law is still a very dynamic character to play imo
People who hate Law are just Bruce Lee’s bashers. They make fun of him now only because he can’t defend himself now because he’s gone. Their toxic trait is leading them to be talkative. 🤦🏻♂️
Law suffers from the same flame Hwoarang gets. They’re both very popular… but not very successful in terms of win rate. As mentioned character win rates are almost inversely related to their popularity.
I tottaly see all the points you're making and in the first place I dont think law is OP but Im a yoshi main I feel the matchup favours me. I wonder though where do you stand on the Yoshi outcry for nerfs, Id love to hear your take on it. Also based on the graphs you showed, I personally feel that most of the arguments you made for law apply for yoshi as well except the cheesy argument which yoshi has lots but its situational. But in the end of the day as you said this game has lots of scrubs and yoshi can definitely be a scrub killer too so since scrubs cry the loudest...
Yea a lot of the points in this video apply to yoshi as well. I don’t think he is hard to play in the way that there is little to no execution, but he is very complex as well. More than law, but less than t7 yoshi. He is in a weird dpot right now. I think his 1,1 is a problem and samurai cutter, but maybe that’s just because I’m used to play with law who has a shitty backdash do I can’t escape samurai cutter so easily 😆 There is some truth to the complaints about yoshi, but as a yoshi player myself I think that a lot of it is also exaggerated. Edit: I think flash is fine as it is btw and if they increase the health consumption on spin a little bit I think that’s fine too.
Might sound like an asshole thing to say but if you look jin (top 3 character) is also at the bottom for win rate. A lot of the players piloting these easy characters falter when they get to higher ranks simply because they lack the skill to compete due to cruising through the ranks with cheesy/ easy characters
Jin is in the same boat as law on many levels. He is very good, like law (although not top 3 imo) but he is super popular, everyone knows how to counter him, even though it isn’t necessarily easy. His movement is also shit, like laws. And like law his execution was dumbed down a lot, but he is still quite complex to master at higher level play.
i liked play law, cuz, WHooaaaaaaAA and scream with law when i win, i get nice vibes. the problem is, you need to win matches, and this part is diffucult of course.
Law main here. I think imo most people in the Tekken Emperors and under does not kown how to use Law full potential nor there relationship with practice mode in terms of intermediate or lower players Imo.🤔 Edit: Buff Dragon Tail. 😂🐉🐲🐉
Coming from Josie in T7 I can't wait to get a muay thai character so I can stop playing Law - the lack of good lows is a real pain in the ass for me. The unnecessary hate and criticism is because his screams are quite annoying in my opinion.
law's sidestep is cancer, im sick and tired of playing 2d with this character, i cant sidestep shit with this character and his backdash? king at least has jaguarstep to make up for it, law's backdash is an absolute joke, its really a pain playing law
its because other heatsmashes dont actually give a combo, fengs and jins heatsmash dont do a hard wallbreak (as in it doesnt break walls that need two wallsplats to break, it will only do a hard wall break if that wall already had to endure a wallsplat). Just to correct you there. Law is a powerhouse poking character with oppressive frames and good strings. I do agree that his movement is ass, as a jin main i deal with a similar situation. Regardless you shouldnt let the negative talk get to you, you are a solid player and shouldnt be discouraged by anything others say about the character you happen to main. The tekken community tends to be extremely toxic, It is what it is.
Most people who hate Law are those who main characters at the bottom of the popularity list. They main characters that 98% of the player population have no interest in.
i dont truly hate him,but im definetly dont like playing against any type of law,im tekken emperor rank lili,i kinda know his strings,kinda know the punishes,never really took time to dedicate a lab session for him,but the amount of knowledge check he has is absolutely insane,unending strings,ws4 pressure strater,dickjab ch launcher (10f highcrush btw lets not sugarcoat this one) ,flips no longer launch on block,probably all lows are plus on hit,FC mix,yes all of this stuff is a risk to do,but its so aids to deal with ,you try being patient and not press into him and you lose your turn for quite some time,you get fc mixed,you try to take you turn and you get highcrush ch launched,its just really pain in the ass to deal with all that shit
10:33. I think its because Blue rank Law players tend to do that low level predictable shit what they won with. Im beating almost every blue/purple rank law in quick matches and im Mighty Ruler with Reina... Because they do EXACTLY the same as low level Laws with better timing.... Extremely predictable panic buttons. like some blue rank players still do Heat burst into heat smash or Slide while they are far away and reactable or the D24 launcher setups or 3+4,4 just random in the neutral even multiple times and get lauched for it and they plug... like Bro... My friend is a Tekken Emperror with Law and he is beating the shit out of me 95% of the time because he ACTUALLY USE Law not just pressing buttons because it worked before. IMO thats the reason why Law from Fujin to Tekken god has one of the worst winrates.
I don't really get the point of this video. Every character (should) have strengths and weaknesses. It is true that scrubs often complain about law cause low rank laws get away with so much cheese. Law does have cheese, so does every character. Honestly I'd rather have good low pokes than a very risky low launcher. He has really good low pokes. So many other characters don't. Not every character can have everything.
I think he’s just a scrub killer to be honest Like in any game you get some really annoyingly good characters in pubs but are not so good or more difficult in pro scene because of their 1 dimensional gameplay there’s not much else they can do outside of what they got (not saying law is 1d I don’t play him but you get my point). Simplistic characters r harder to win with the higher you go
It’s fake pressure, you can sidestep duck to potion select. Not saying that it’s necessarily easy to do, but there are clear counters to dss pressure. As reflected by the online winrates, it’s not at all brain dead or abuseable
@Lambkin-_- Yeah, definitely seems like laws DSS is a pretty normal stance then. Most stances have option selects which cover everything except 1 option.
pls dont take this to heart, may we all know Jesus Christ our saviour bear our cross and follow him, may we change our ways and lives to be more like Jesus until the end and be saved in Jesus name i pray amen, also honestly speaking does there opinion matter if they characterse just ranting?, if you like law use law and have fun, there are so many other characters in the game that are ways more busted coughs xiayou but anyways you get the drift right stay cool 😎 😎
Not a player, nut dabbled a bit with him. His movement feels absolutely terrible. I have a pretty decent KBD and you move like you are wnadering trough mud. Terrible, i hope they consider buffing movement as a balance parameter, i would like to play law more, but i cannot stand his movement.
then the law players are simply stronger and know your matchup. trust me, once you reach a higher level and become stronger, law players won’t be as hard to play against then right now.
Db3,3 is worse now in another way compared to old versions. The second hit was guaranteed against a grounded opponent at the wall if the first landed. Not anymore. So useless. And I scream constantly that Law needs a low launcher.
I feel like we shouldnt complain about dragon tail to much cause who uses snake-edge like moves anyway in high level, even if we might miss input it and get killed by it. The negativity especially towards characters in this game is insane to me, i feel like if you have time to complain about those thinks, maybe go and just lab that char, cause in the end the player who is winning the match is the one who is better at the game and getting cheesed in a best of 2 just means u dont know the matchup well enough in my oppinion. Nice take on that topic though didnt know that law had such a bad WR in higher ranks :S
The whole dragon tail rant was mostly because I don’t like that they removed his backturned d4, while every mine else got to keep their low launchers and ch launchers. And I hate dragon tail not because I want a snake edge, but because I don’t want to missinput dragon tail. I don’t think it’s true to say that the player who won the match is better at the game. You might be able to beat me. But if I can beat 80% of the people YOU can’t beat, then I’m better at the game. Technically. Getting cheesed doesn’t mean you don’t know the matchup. That’s the definition of cheese pretty much. A move or string or tool that is hard or impossible to deal with even if you know the matchup. You know that giant swing is a 1-break, and you know that shining wizard is a 1+2 break, but the fact that they have the same animation, so that you can’t react to it, making it a true 50/50 that’s cheesy. Just to give you one example
What they did to law in T8 is disgusting, he went to one of the most difficult and execution heavy chars to an ez mode pile a dogshit char even monkeys slamming they're forehead on buttons can play.
Why does law have a low win rate online? It’s simple Most law players are pretty bad and only rely on his cheese and gimmicks. They have no fundamentals
Guys please be civil and respectful towards each other in the comment section. I appreciate healthy discussion with a good atmosphere, but please no trash talking or calling people names or being degrading towards others. thank you 🫶🏻🐉
Extra point: major weapon of Law is slide and WS from neutral. It is not so easy to do it reliably and what most important: fast. This may be the reason why in higher ranks main weapons of Law are not useful...
picked up LAW only coz i like Bruce lee , nothing else
Agreed ❤
Same! Since the 1st tekken
Lambkin stands for us, for poor people against rich people
One other thing for Law's moveset are his number of aerial moves. Law as several jump kicks, flips, etc, but each are jabbed or interrupted out of the air way too easily and disproportionately so. It's insane really how a running 3 jump kick with an extended leg will still get cancelled by a jab or one of the thousands of armored heat engages for a free combo so easily. So it's like any jump move interrupted, almost all lows are launch punishable, and if you're against a Mishima, 1 1 2 is like the answer to everything in law's inventory. Also side step was nerfed in the game in general, but not for ff3, and as an added bonus, it's armor effect seems to be one of the slowest armor moves in the game. He's not a bad character, but no one acknowledges this.
Feel you on that running 3 comment
I usually hate playing against law, and I am a law hater in general, but I agree with everything you said. As you mentioned, law is a scrub killer, and this game has a lot of them. This actually applies to every character that reddit cries about, except dragunov and jin.
Once you hit Gold Ranks on this game, like you said, there isn't one person that doesn't know the matchup. I been stuck between tekken emperor and tekken god for like 4 months personally. Every single win is earned
I gotta say, Law seems really strong in my experience, but I feel like the Law players let him down. Around Tekken King rank, I find they still spam d2,3 and such.
beacuse its tekken 8 . literaly bot can be tekken king .
i have people in my steam friend list, that played tekken 7 for 10 years , and never got above mighty ruler ,
when tekken 8 cameout , they became fujin in 10 days
Law is very strong
D2,3 is an incredibly strong panic move at any rank. Just don’t be predictable with it. It’s literally a down jab launcher….
@DontEvenLiftBro I know right. If they just didn't use it on round start every time, maybe it would work 🤣
Thats me 😂
First of all, I’m not embarasssed to say that laws 1,1,1 heat engager shouldn’t be punished. Without it, he would just b a normal character !! The only reason why he’s solid in tekken 8 is because of the numbchuck addition they added to him . Other than that, there isn’t anything SPECIAL about him.
Other characters have WAY better stuff going for them. Law was supposed to be a fast counter hit character but u no what? He doesn’t even have the most counter hit moves. I don’t even think his frame data’s as good as people make it sound.
Bryan’s got way more counter moves.. Steve probably does too . Steve’s also got a lot a lot of fast moves that’re like frame 13…..
Laws oki is average , maybe slightly above average but he’s not kazuya or any of the mishima players ! He’s not Bryan !
And people on Reddit and RUclips love to make law sound like he’s plus on every move, no he’s not!! he’s minus on SO many of his moves.
And also, law is HARD to rank up with . When I first started using law , I found out that people knew how to duck and punish his moves way earlier in the rank system than they did when I played.. let’s say.. Yoshi? Bruh, I didn’t meet people that legitimately knew the counter play to yoshi until I got to tekken king level in tekken 7 and they still sucked. Law on the other hand isn’t going to carry you like that. You have to learn how to play at a higher level pretty early with him compared to other characters so I’m not surprised people in orange ranks are struggling with him. He’s easy to use but HARD to win with and HARD to master .
And he’s not a “free” character either. Other characters have more interesting things about that should be nerfed like their gaurd breaks or garunteed crouch grab set ups ! some characters. Can launch you from half way across the screen like LEO.
Like noo nooooo. Laws perfectly fine the way he is and I’m not apologizing for my comment . He’s the definition of FAIR.
Also, a lot of characters have hear engagers that allow them to punish moves. Most of them start at frame 14 though . Laws 1,1,1 is the only thing he’s got going for him.
All his other moves that are amazing are punishable as fuck , even the numbchuck.
Other characters that are hard to win with are Characters like asuka. My point is .. law and asuka are characters EVERYONE knows the match up for. If you don’t know the match up by now then hit the lab.
steve 😂😂😂😂😂😂 the "counterhit paragon" he is supposed to be the counterhit charactee but half of the roster is better than him than that.
He got all of his ch removed in tekken 8
Picked up Law because of his character design, and that was it. No looking back.
I struggle through matches as though Im Sisyphus, but no one actually told me to roll that boulder up the hill. In fact everyone that walks up the hill just tells me to walk around the boulder before continuing on themselves
I am way to stubborn for my own good and get in the way of my own progress. Law has not carried me anywhere. Instead I am dragging him behind me to each match.
did u play him in 7 ?
If you're having trouble with Law in T8 then you just fuckin suck bruh. He's such a braindead character
My friend you have a 10 frame counter hit launcher . The boulder is being moved by the opponent not you
Brother, if the man doesn't know all the tools he has available, he's not getting carried upwards since he's not easy for beginners
@@DEUSVULT822i havent played tekken since it was in arcades 20 years ago, and haven't touched it till Tekken 8
I think law is just hated at low level to intermediate level because he’s quite strong at those levels. Once you reach high level play that hate drops off because people know how to face him. There are a few characters that are like this as well.
Good comment. Extra point: DSS is not guaranteed plus frames. For various reasons sometimes you have plus frame, sometime you do not. So DSS is possibility of getting better (although not incredible) frames. Easiest to compare him to Hwo - Hwo has always hit frames, Law may get it (and they are worse btw). There is a reason why we have just single really solid Law player at the top (Double) and one second league (not meaning he is weak - simply he is not top 10 i.e. Mangja).
Important video, law players have to be a bit more vocal sometimes about these things because the echo chambers on reddit/twitter can get really annoying. Im pretty sure it was TMM who first talked about how "super brain dead easy" law is and everyone keeps parroting it without realizing that literally every character got dumbed down and that laws gameplan is a bit complicated and he still has dss timings to worry about. Also about dragon tail being the worst move, i actually think they gutted jacks debugger even harder now, jacks debugger used to be i24 but it's i29 now and just like dragon tail doesn't get the benefits of a snake edge, however u at least have to consciously use debugger and cant missinput it like dragontail.
Ya slide is the better alternative to dragon tail
Yeah with main man hes a tekken g.o.d level player so he has to be careful what he says. Just bc its piss easy for him doesnt mean that represents the majority of the player base
law's dragon tail , is never meant to be thrown from neutral , its only for wall splat , when ur opponent is a bit far away , to do regular 4,3 dss3 wallender . So you do junkyard , with dragon tail ender.
if a kazuya player has any chance to outright lie saying any other character is shit easy and their character is so hard because doing an electric gives them orgasms then they will do it
@@TheLifeLaVitaName one difficult thing required to play law
No wonder i always looked like a malfunctioning robot when i tried backdashing with law 🤣
Law NEEDS slide, the entire gameplan is based around enforcing the existence of slide & its mixups. He doesn’t have enough NH launchers, so his slide needs to be high reward.
They nerfed it right off the gate 😢
So what I understand from this video is that you need easy character + strong character on paper for that character to achieve high win rate at high level play. Based on statistics, Law has near worst win rate at high level play and below average win rate at intermediate level play. Ppl confused being easier than Tekken 7 Law to mean that Tekken 8 Law is easy. Recaling LowHigh's (prior Law main) reason for dropping Law, LowHigh said Law was good on paper but he can't win (at top level play). LowHigh switched to Shaheen and based on the statistics, Shaheen is significantly higher at high level play, which happens to match LowHigh's interview.
Likewise, tier whores players at top level tournament play don't pick Law from what I see in tournaments either, matching the stats. Even when Knee dropped his main to pick top characters for tournaments, Knee didn't use Law, Pakistan didn't use Law, etc. This means that either Law is actually not good on paper (ppl couldn't decipher it), or it means Law's execution is difficult to practically implement in actually gameplay.
To summarize, those who complained about Law actually exposed themselves, because Law is slightly below average at lower level play, and near worst at high level play according to the charts in this video.
All these tier lists even from popular youtubers/streamers were so wrong when it comes to Law. Almost everyone said Law is S or A tier and an easy character but the overall negative winrate suggests that he is far from S tier and the fact that his winrate is about the same in low and high ranks suggests that he simply is not an easy character otherwise in low ranks his winrate should be significantly higher.
Im battle ruler with law he is my only main I enjoy the challenge of mastering him I'm willing to learn other characters just so I can get better with law
Played Law since T4. He's never been easier to play and was never able to hang with the top tier, he's high mid tier. The only good low move he has is his slide but he's left vulnerable because it's not instant. Not the best launchers and most people know when the launching throw is coming and how to break it.
Thanks for sticking up for us law mains
I play Kaz since tekken 3, but law is my secondary main since tekken 4. I'd say law isn't as hard as kaz if you want to be a wave dashing kaz, but he was very hard to master since tekken 4 when they introduced DSS. I think Law in tekken 6 requires the most execution because almost everything requires iDSS. A lot of younger law players don't know how hard to hit law's wall combo ender iDSS f+3 in tekken 6 especially female characters. They made that hard iDSS f+3 easier to hit in tekken 7. But even they made DSS easier in tekken 8 he is still very hard to master at high level gameplay. Knee has said this so many times before and that's why not many pro Asian players using law in tournaments including a law main before, lowhigh and he doesn't use law any more in tournaments. Lot of salty players are from the west and I don't hear so many complaints from the east. In Asia most players know law isn't that easy to master and they are more respectful. I think because Asia players have more understanding of characters and tekken system, they don't whine like western players. Only weaker players love to complain and whine because they can't win with their character.
imo wavu doesnt take much more skill than sliding and kazuya is such a simple character id say theyre equally difficult or close.
@@vargasaidan7366I'm talking about wave dashing cancels. Slide is so easy in tekken 8.
I wonder tbh what law haters think as arguments after seeing this vid.
They won't change. The biggest law hater on the internet is TMM. He always talks shot about Law players.
Hey Lambkin, love your Law content, it convinced me to pick him up.
Are you considering an Anti Character series? I literally have no idea how to deal with Ling for example.
I’ve previously done some viewer match analysis where I focus on specific matchups and I’m continuing that series in the future. It’s on a playlist on my channel called “I analyse your law gameplay”
I’d like to think I have an okay law which I could take to Fujin probably - but then is we how you use him and it’s a world of difference. And that’s where all this talk usually leads to imo, the players skill outweighs the characters strength necessarily
Hey I gotta say that I like Law a lot. I tried him a bit in previous games and I learned the slide trick with the analog sticks through your videos 😂. I don't use him in tournament because I find him not as dominant as my main.
For me, his command of the neutral isn't quite as overwhelming as other characters. He still has to poke quite a lot for lower reward. I don't mind eating slides or db3 because of this. Choosing when to act after b4b cannot be understated too. How to threaten the FC timing correctly is tricky too. Kudos for sticking to him
I like law too check me out
Another thing I want to add about dragon tail is since I play raven & shaheen & I’ve never had an issue w inputting my d4 over my db4. Like I understand your sentiment but I don’t think that’s something occurs too much. I’ve had miss inputs but mainly in combos or an accidental d1
In regards to dragon tail. Even tho it’s risky as hell I don’t think law players should be afraid to throw it out since moves like that are what law is about & it’s one of his coolest moves imo
Funny just yesterday TMM trash talked law because of DSS change that he’s super easy and I feel like it’s just not true tekken is more then DSS.
I’m Fujin law and I feel like I earn every win in ranked against blue ranks and I’m standing at 52% W/L, Great vid lambkin learning from you a lot about law 🥋❤
22:55 what you said here is the same reason why i don't understand people calling jin SS tier broken where in fact you don't really need to duck him except on reaction.
@@theonegreat4978 exactly. Jin is super strong. Nobody is gonna deny that. But he has some issues that are handicapping him at high level play. Many of the same handicaps as law. Jin is the most popular character. Everyone knows the matchup. He’s got the same shitty movement as law, besides d2 his lows are very underwhelming. His execution was also simplified a lot in this game, but he is still rather complex. Is he super obnoxious to play against? Yes, but his win rate online is trash at high level play.
Law's a weird one I have him in my roster but I'm not doing fantastic on him past a certain point he is mainly a knowledge check character for the most part and is most brutal to newer players both as and against.
Law is basically a scrub killer character I just don't have a solid enough foundation of him to truly go ham.
If you DO grasp Law the way he's supposed to be done though the level of havoc is enough to make most of the community Plug though since Law IS strong if done decent.
I've played tekken for 20 some years, during that time I've never played a lot of Law but I have respect for Law mains! Ppl that complain about him don't know the match up. In lower ranks I see ppl getting tossed with junkyard and dragon tail 😂 and I'm sure that makes him look "cheap" to newer players that can't yet react and for sure that makes him seem op. But higher lvl of play when the "gimmicks" no longer work he has to work hard with fundamentals and adapting to the player. Imo Paul, Law, Bryan, Kaz and dvj are the only normal tekken chars in 8. Im just waiting for my main of 20 years to be here hei!
Great video I enjoyed it, maybe we will cross paths in ranked one day as I don't see any Laws in God ranks and when I do it's a fun battle with a STRONG player no carry for Law. Peace
I agree with you Lambkin. Hope the devs bring back that launching properties of the 2nd hit of his hit smash and bring back some of his launching lows. Statistics don't lie. Poor win rate means the character is lacking something and I think those two is what he need to get back up.
People hate fighting Law because he was given a lot of gimmicky stuff that reduces how interesting it is to fight him. No one uses Banana Peel, Poison Arrow, etc. 99% of people reduce Law to:
- 1,1,1
- Slide
- Nunchucks
- Throw launcher
- Power crush kick
And it's effective, to blue ranks. It turns the Law match into "Did you guess the 50/50 right?" much more than a lot of other characters, which is unfun.
That's not entirely "Law's fault", because people are choosing to play him that way. But we could then say this about Dragunov's 4 moves that make up 90% of his fights, Jin's 5 moves, etc etc.
Compare with characters that most people are okay with fighting... they tend to be characters who can't rely on a handful of moves. Bryan, Steve, Lee, etc.
As for Dragon Tail... Rising Sun is still the worst move in the game (and I'm not a Kazuya main, ew). The full 4 hits anyway. Dragon Tail is really bad, but what could be worse than Rising Sun? It's a legacy move that was made because it looked really cool back in the day, and it's useless in modern Tekken.
Correction I use banana peel It’s good for a lot of set ups that a lot of. Other Law players don’t use I mean I am a tech in emperor now and it is not easy with law. We have no low launcher.
What a dumb wish, wishing for snake edge, you got ss3 or what ever dumb low into ds1@@ultimit_taijutso
I use banana peel all the time. It sets up slides ws4 etc
@@DontEvenLiftBro yes sir
@@ultimit_taijutso you have a launching throw, that's even better than a launching low, for several reasons:
- Many launching lows tornado, so you can't get a full combo
- A launching low blocked is itself launched. When you break a launching throw you both just return to neutral
- Launching lows have 20 to 30+ frames of start up
Because law doesn’t have the same tools as the characters with higher win ratio at higher level play, that’s my opinion. I feel like you have to be a great player + be extremely skilled with Law to be successful at higher ranks.
Thank you for making this video! Big fan of you content
Its so funny that fighting game players don't understand that high win rate and low pick rate go together, if you've ever played any hero shooters (not Concord, obviously) / MOBAs you'll know this is true, but even then its just basic knowledge surely. It honestly hurts my brain that people can't figure this out. I haven't played much since I was at VSFighting (for some reason I ended up in the mens room with Double multiple times lmao) but I fear Law is going to be nerfed in the next patch thanks to all the unfounded discourse around him since Double won that tournament. I fear it'll be difficult to get back into the game if he does get nerfed too much, especially at a time where the game feels due a balance patch. The only thing r/tekken ever gets right is hating on the terrible matchmaking system. People on Reddit approach Tekken 8 like its a hyper competitive first person shooter, reading all the salt on there makes me want to get a lobotomy.
@@MagnaLynx21 I don’t think they’re gonna keep nerfing him as long as is win rate is so low. I hope they are gonna balance the game based on stats and data, and not on who can make the loudest dissatisfied sounds.
@@Lambkin-_- probably they will hear the big youtubers like tmm and their crying before data tbh
Yo lambkin I got a question that’s been bugging me for a while I know statistically law sidestep and backdash is one of the worst but is there a reason why when I play law compared to other characters he feels very quick moving around and twitchy which I like but I don’t get the same feeling with other characters with statistically better movement idk would appreciate a response from anyone with answers great vid btw 👌
Idk I can’t really say if it’s your subjective experience. In my own experience I have about 10-11 characters ranked up right now and I can feel a very clear difference (in a negative way) from when I play law to when I play for example feng, yoshi, Leroy etc. with law I often integrate his ub3 (fake flip) and dss crouch dash into my movement so it helps a bit with fluidity. But I definitely feel severely handicapped in terms of basic movement, and especially in terms of backdashing, when I play Law.
Good words brother
If law gets nerfed again, i will leave the game for good
Idgaf what anyone says I’m a Tekken King Law main and when I tell you “you gotta work hard for that W when ya playing at higher level play especially with law” I mean that shit and a lot of people can anticipate his moves because he’s been in the game for 3 decades and I agree with Lambkin 100%
Hello, it’s me - the guy responsible for Law’s enormous loss rate.
Maybe the real win rate is the friends we made along the way 😄
Law is dope. People can say what they want. Every character has their weaknesses. They wanna roast law but forget about how broken alisa or dragunov are….
Alisa is not broken bruh 💀 what is this red rank shit?
@@bandawin18 carried player spotted
@@cnqrknightyt9892 bruh I play Jack 8, Lars, Steve, and Yoshi 💀. I'm a Kishin Jack 8, how tf am I carried? Y'all are just hardstuck Garyu bitches
People always talking about us law players we literally had the same move set for years. It’s not our fault that you guys defense stinks. Honestly I’m tired of it everybody gets a launcher off of heat smash even if they’re clipped but yet with law all we get is a knockdown but it’s all good. That’s what makes us players so strong we know how to get in and out of if y’all haven’t look me up.
Nobody has weaknesses anymore
I’m not finished watching but if you know fighting you can win with a fundamental character like law that’s why I like tekken bc some aspects are really sim lol
is it true some of law's dragon charge moves +frames bugged and dont actually give you +frames? ive heard people mention that before.
I just need them to fix his range, tracking, and bugged dss. That's literally it.
I'm tired of missing at point blank range, and dropping combos, because he's slightly off axis.
They fixed shaheen and lars, who had the same issue in T7, but they didn't fix laws.
I tend to agree. I don’t think they need to nerf/ buff anything really. Just fix his movement and hitbox issues and adjust some small things here and there
I'm Law main and after watching your video I realized Law he is cheaper than I thought.
Oh he can be cheap as hell ngl
Law can be cheap but he can also be punished for being cheap
Picked law because of bruce lee resemblance but of course tekken reddit thinks i picked law because he was easy.
Is he similar to law?
@@mishimacreatinebro, most of his moveset is based on moves Bruce Lee did, his entire character is a homage to him 😭😭😭
@@aperson1896 haha my comment was not meant to be in this comment haha mb of course I know bruce wataaaa
Manual DSS into blue spark moves exist, which can also be chained in combos for even more execution,
Law haters: "Law is easy, DSS is easy, no skill is needed."
if u played law in tekken 7 on high ranks . This sentence is true - "Law is easy, DSS is easy, no skill is needed."
i mean cool that that exists but thats like saying blue spark shining wizard exists, its not 100% needed
@@kenauro7169 If you want max damage output it is.
Edit: Jumped into practice mode to show you what i mean: ruclips.net/user/shortsn3XXYLlxFo0
lol I get that like 10x 🐉🐲🐉
@@kenauro7169 a lot of law combos do require blue spark DSS or almost one tho, if you dont get a blue spark or close the combos drop.
Do you do coaching sessions for law
No, not at the moment and not in the foreseeable future
Is there anything at all law has that didn't already exist (save for the nunchucks)
During 7's time, seeing a law player in tourney was like seeing bigfoot. People just hate what they dont lab 🤦
super easy execution, wich was never case before , law's full power was locked behind such a tricky and hard execution , now in 8 literaly no satisfaction pulling off combo , i have like 60 hours and i am Fujin already with , law
i literaly uninstaled it and went back to 7
@DEUSVULT822 fujin really isn't that hard to reach. Should've been done in less then 60 hours if you're a t7 player. But hey. All power to you. One less player that's not enjoying 8
@@sagekoh3158 i probably spend 10 15 in the rest of the game costumization jubox replays etc .
in 7 fujin wasnt easy with law .
@DEUSVULT822 Go play tekken 7
It's not gone anywhere.
Is this a joke? His 50/50s are the best in the game, he has 10 frame launchers in heat and slide is literally homing. None of this was in 7
@lambkin I have always said this about Law: Law is a valid mid tier character; I feel validated because you have stated everything about Law, the good and bad that I have argued over online for people talking shit about him.
BUT one thing is damn sure, in the category of being the FUNNEST character to use, Law is SS Tier. There are no two ways about it!!! (Steve and Yoshi can fight for the 2nd and 3rd place). Thank you for this video.
first minute of this video, thats the reason i switched to lee. people complaining about law too much. but hes definitely not imbalanced
Yeah I wanted to try law out but I love how lee took jeetkundo's methodology, "take everything that is useful, take out the useless, and make it your own" basically his own version of MMA
This is a really good logical assessment but let's not forget that majority sentiment (none of the people that actually go into the minutia of the game) boils down to the fact that they find law annoying mainly because of his screams, and they hate losing to a "not cool" character. Therefore, when he DOES get any buff people think "why does a JOKE character get these buffs? This guy's supposed to be cannon fodder!"
I wonder when we'll start using mountain dew to water our crops..
🐉🔥 I think all the ppl who are salty about Law are just mad because they dont know the matchup. I find the way Law can blow you up and win quickly makes people salty. He has a lot of sneaky lows, powerful damaging moves and he can just blow ppl up if players dont know the matchup. Great video Bro as always and tganks for sharing the data. I think hes a fair character and Im happy Law is finally high tier ( I believe hes high tier).
Even tho I normally hate fighting law I agree w most of what you say here bro. I especially agree w your sentiment that even tho dss execution was made easier doesn’t mean it’s easier to optimize for high lvl play
I still don’t agree in saying law doesn’t have many good lows. His other lows, besides slide, are still better than other lows the rest of the cast has.
b/c he has a lot of powerful mids, bt,/ss/crouch mixups & a complete throw game to mix them up w his lows.
And his slide is the most bs slide imo b/c it’s unreactable & mildly unseeable.
Plus when did you ever see Bruce Lee slide on anyone in his classic movies? Lol
I didn’t say his lows aren’t good. They are. I said they’re not worth ducking and risking a mid. Except for slide. Slide mixup is pretty much the only way you are gonna make people duck in higher level play. Because his lows outside of slide, are underwhelming, and not worth ducking. Good, yes but underwhelming in comparison to others.
@@Lambkin-_- ok this makes a lot sense. Thank you for clarifying brother and I do genuinely agree
Even just buffing the dragon tail and banana peel a little bit could fix that issue
Without the slide law is still a very dynamic character to play imo
People who hate Law are just Bruce Lee’s bashers. They make fun of him now only because he can’t defend himself now because he’s gone. Their toxic trait is leading them to be talkative. 🤦🏻♂️
Law suffers from the same flame Hwoarang gets. They’re both very popular… but not very successful in terms of win rate. As mentioned character win rates are almost inversely related to their popularity.
You can reach top ranks literally using about 5 moves with Dragonov.
You simply cannot do that with Law.
Slide, jab string, FC moves, nunchuck and heat smash. There's your Tekken king law
@@shaghilathar3588 show us the tekken king rank on vid
@@shaghilathar3588 good luck is all I'll say 😉👍
@@GerardoFirestorm With law or my main?
@@shaghilathar3588 law please
I tottaly see all the points you're making and in the first place I dont think law is OP but Im a yoshi main I feel the matchup favours me. I wonder though where do you stand on the Yoshi outcry for nerfs, Id love to hear your take on it. Also based on the graphs you showed, I personally feel that most of the arguments you made for law apply for yoshi as well except the cheesy argument which yoshi has lots but its situational. But in the end of the day as you said this game has lots of scrubs and yoshi can definitely be a scrub killer too so since scrubs cry the loudest...
Yea a lot of the points in this video apply to yoshi as well. I don’t think he is hard to play in the way that there is little to no execution, but he is very complex as well. More than law, but less than t7 yoshi. He is in a weird dpot right now. I think his 1,1 is a problem and samurai cutter, but maybe that’s just because I’m used to play with law who has a shitty backdash do I can’t escape samurai cutter so easily 😆
There is some truth to the complaints about yoshi, but as a yoshi player myself I think that a lot of it is also exaggerated.
Edit: I think flash is fine as it is btw and if they increase the health consumption on spin a little bit I think that’s fine too.
Made this whole video because he misinput db4 lol.
Might sound like an asshole thing to say but if you look jin (top 3 character) is also at the bottom for win rate. A lot of the players piloting these easy characters falter when they get to higher ranks simply because they lack the skill to compete due to cruising through the ranks with cheesy/ easy characters
Jin is in the same boat as law on many levels. He is very good, like law (although not top 3 imo) but he is super popular, everyone knows how to counter him, even though it isn’t necessarily easy. His movement is also shit, like laws. And like law his execution was dumbed down a lot, but he is still quite complex to master at higher level play.
Which character isn't easy in tekken 8? Most of the characters don't even require any stance cancel like DSS.
i liked play law, cuz, WHooaaaaaaAA
and scream with law when i win, i get nice vibes.
the problem is, you need to win matches, and this part is diffucult of course.
Law main here. I think imo most people in the Tekken Emperors and under does not kown how to use Law full potential nor there relationship with practice mode in terms of intermediate or lower players Imo.🤔
Edit: Buff Dragon Tail. 😂🐉🐲🐉
Yes, I agree for the love of God give us a low launcher off of dragon tail
Coming from Josie in T7 I can't wait to get a muay thai character so I can stop playing Law - the lack of good lows is a real pain in the ass for me. The unnecessary hate and criticism is because his screams are quite annoying in my opinion.
what irritates me most.. why when i hold block, some opponent moves go pass this block and i loose damage? ? ?
chip damage, if the move is powerful enough it does a little damage when blocked.
Scrub friendly - Scrub rewarding
i am a law main since 1997 ,TEKKEN 8 law was the easiest one to master , out of all of them .
since dss was involved .
Law is easy for me because i played him since T3 days. DSS is easier to execute in T8 now compared to T7...
Man I use Law cuz he's based off of Bruce Lee and those screams are funny.
all i know is this character be beating the hell outta me 😂
Lol
What move are you doing at 24:57 after ws4?
Dss f2,b2
law's sidestep is cancer, im sick and tired of playing 2d with this character, i cant sidestep shit with this character
and his backdash? king at least has jaguarstep to make up for it, law's backdash is an absolute joke, its really a pain playing law
its because other heatsmashes dont actually give a combo, fengs and jins heatsmash dont do a hard wallbreak (as in it doesnt break walls that need two wallsplats to break, it will only do a hard wall break if that wall already had to endure a wallsplat). Just to correct you there.
Law is a powerhouse poking character with oppressive frames and good strings.
I do agree that his movement is ass, as a jin main i deal with a similar situation.
Regardless you shouldnt let the negative talk get to you, you are a solid player and shouldnt be discouraged by anything others say about the character you happen to main. The tekken community tends to be extremely toxic, It is what it is.
I know its unrelated but are you still match reviews for us law players??? I still want some pointers !!
Yes! I it is definitely on my list to do those again soon. But I can’t promise when.
@@Lambkin-_- sounds good boss ill be watching in the meantime 🫡
Most people who hate Law are those who main characters at the bottom of the popularity list. They main characters that 98% of the player population have no interest in.
The edit at 6:44 got me cackling.
That was his unblockable btw not a ki-charge 😂
And I only did it because he did it to me the previous round
I'll still play law if he gets nerfed more somehow
Law will be nerfed for sure in s3
Facts
i dont truly hate him,but im definetly dont like playing against any type of law,im tekken emperor rank lili,i kinda know his strings,kinda know the punishes,never really took time to dedicate a lab session for him,but the amount of knowledge check he has is absolutely insane,unending strings,ws4 pressure strater,dickjab ch launcher (10f highcrush btw lets not sugarcoat this one) ,flips no longer launch on block,probably all lows are plus on hit,FC mix,yes all of this stuff is a risk to do,but its so aids to deal with ,you try being patient and not press into him and you lose your turn for quite some time,you get fc mixed,you try to take you turn and you get highcrush ch launched,its just really pain in the ass to deal with all that shit
Good video, like your points, wuaaaataaaaahhh
10:33. I think its because Blue rank Law players tend to do that low level predictable shit what they won with. Im beating almost every blue/purple rank law in quick matches and im Mighty Ruler with Reina... Because they do EXACTLY the same as low level Laws with better timing.... Extremely predictable panic buttons. like some blue rank players still do Heat burst into heat smash or Slide while they are far away and reactable or the D24 launcher setups or 3+4,4 just random in the neutral even multiple times and get lauched for it and they plug... like Bro... My friend is a Tekken Emperror with Law and he is beating the shit out of me 95% of the time because he ACTUALLY USE Law not just pressing buttons because it worked before.
IMO thats the reason why Law from Fujin to Tekken god has one of the worst winrates.
6:44 lmao
@@ZXtales23 that wasn’t a ki-charge btw 😂 it was his unblockable. And I only did it because he did it on me the round before 😇
Law is totally Bruce Lee in the game 😎🎉
I don't really get the point of this video. Every character (should) have strengths and weaknesses. It is true that scrubs often complain about law cause low rank laws get away with so much cheese.
Law does have cheese, so does every character.
Honestly I'd rather have good low pokes than a very risky low launcher. He has really good low pokes. So many other characters don't. Not every character can have everything.
all i got to say to you is low launcher.
carried by the character.
thats a fact.
I think he’s just a scrub killer to be honest
Like in any game you get some really annoyingly good characters in pubs but are not so good or more difficult in pro scene because of their 1 dimensional gameplay there’s not much else they can do outside of what they got (not saying law is 1d I don’t play him but you get my point). Simplistic characters r harder to win with the higher you go
Talk to me baby
I am curious about your opinion on Law's WS 4 lopp pressure. My gut tells me it is probably one of the more braindead aspects
It’s fake pressure, you can sidestep duck to potion select. Not saying that it’s necessarily easy to do, but there are clear counters to dss pressure. As reflected by the online winrates, it’s not at all brain dead or abuseable
@Lambkin-_- There are still nun chucks for that tho? So it isn't a pure option select that covers every option? Correct?
I wanted to do that ws4 loop online imitating lambkin but got destroyed with ss multiple times
@@ChristopherWaddelowcorrect
@Lambkin-_- Yeah, definitely seems like laws DSS is a pretty normal stance then. Most stances have option selects which cover everything except 1 option.
Really good video even as a law hater i have to concede that deep inside i know its irrational lmao
people want to crap on law, meanwhile characters like xiaoyu exists in the game
Law is crazy good. Easily one of the best characters in the game. I’d argue #1 tied with Jin. He literally has no weaknesses.
pls dont take this to heart, may we all know Jesus Christ our saviour bear our cross and follow him, may we change our ways and lives to be more like Jesus until the end and be saved in Jesus name i pray amen, also honestly speaking does there opinion matter if they characterse just ranting?, if you like law use law and have fun, there are so many other characters in the game that are ways more busted coughs xiayou but anyways you get the drift right stay cool 😎 😎
Law is not hard to master. You have to be kidding me right?
Not a player, nut dabbled a bit with him. His movement feels absolutely terrible. I have a pretty decent KBD and you move like you are wnadering trough mud. Terrible, i hope they consider buffing movement as a balance parameter, i would like to play law more, but i cannot stand his movement.
I play xiaoyu and when i play against laws it’s obvious that i have to work way harder for the win than the law players do
You're both equally cancer
then the law players are simply stronger and know your matchup. trust me, once you reach a higher level and become stronger, law players won’t be as hard to play against then right now.
@@journeytothewest1 so you think playing xiayou is just as easy as piloting law???
@@jpaso87 she definitely is harder to play as but once u learn her she is really rewarding.
TBH most Xiaoyu players do the same shits and it's not skill at all. They all mash the same BT moves when they are in heat.
Db3,3 is worse now in another way compared to old versions. The second hit was guaranteed against a grounded opponent at the wall if the first landed. Not anymore. So useless.
And I scream constantly that Law needs a low launcher.
@Lambkin-_- can you be my Mr Miyagi. I would be honored if I could be your student
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I feel like we shouldnt complain about dragon tail to much cause who uses snake-edge like moves anyway in high level, even if we might miss input it and get killed by it. The negativity especially towards characters in this game is insane to me, i feel like if you have time to complain about those thinks, maybe go and just lab that char, cause in the end the player who is winning the match is the one who is better at the game and getting cheesed in a best of 2 just means u dont know the matchup well enough in my oppinion. Nice take on that topic though didnt know that law had such a bad WR in higher ranks :S
The whole dragon tail rant was mostly because I don’t like that they removed his backturned d4, while every mine else got to keep their low launchers and ch launchers. And I hate dragon tail not because I want a snake edge, but because I don’t want to missinput dragon tail. I don’t think it’s true to say that the player who won the match is better at the game. You might be able to beat me. But if I can beat 80% of the people YOU can’t beat, then I’m better at the game. Technically. Getting cheesed doesn’t mean you don’t know the matchup. That’s the definition of cheese pretty much. A move or string or tool that is hard or impossible to deal with even if you know the matchup. You know that giant swing is a 1-break, and you know that shining wizard is a 1+2 break, but the fact that they have the same animation, so that you can’t react to it, making it a true 50/50 that’s cheesy. Just to give you one example
Bump that give us a low launcher off dragon tail my law would be a beast I would go from tekken emperor to tekken god easily
@@ultimit_taijutsobut people block dragon tail at emperor anyway so there’s no point. Just delete it 🤷🏻
What they did to law in T8 is disgusting, he went to one of the most difficult and execution heavy chars to an ez mode pile a dogshit char even monkeys slamming they're forehead on buttons can play.
Why does law have a low win rate online? It’s simple
Most law players are pretty bad and only rely on his cheese and gimmicks. They have no fundamentals
are you danish?
Ja :)