This is emotional hardcore. In the late 80's thru the 90's we called it "emo" for short. There is nothing wrong with the term. What Guy P. says almost doesn't matter, no disrespect meant towards him. Emo has such a bad connotation NOW, that no one in their right mind would want to be associated with it. Understandable. But then again, isn't all music--esp. hardcorepunk--emotional? Yes, and ESPECIALLY hardcorepunk. So kids, get with it! Signed, a 41 yr old hardcore kid. xoxoxox
I was born on 1990 and I saw emo shift into a cartoon version of itself. It's weird listening to atdi and grey matter and all a sudden mcr and death cab for cutie is now emo.
As a kid growing up watching classics like this (born in 1996 and finding punk around 06/07) I truly wish I grew up in your era of punk. It seemed so much more authentic and less performative.
It it weren't for Rites of Spring I may not have survived my early 20's. I still have an R.O.S. tattoo. So many good memories of these guys, Embrace , etc.
I think emo is also sort of considered just about the lyrics, but it has a lot to do with the vocal style and some to do with the instrumentation. Guy starts off the song pretty normally, but he's crying halfway through, giving this shredded wail that a lot of vocalists couldn't pull off normally. Emo was also the first step towards more complex songs, as seen on All Through A Life, though this song is closer to original hardcore. Nevertheless, emocore was an entirely different genre than today.
+Light Yagami This is most definitely Post-Hardcore. The band associated with the term "Emo", but there are videos where they confirm that they are not Emo... even though they're credited for it.
Ƚ ɫ Ğ Ĥ ȾEmo originated from post hardcore. As such, much of it overlaps. I would consider ROS both emo and post hardcore. Where as Fugazi or Glassjaw I would just consider post hardcore, and I would consider something like Dashboard confessional just emo.
I remember when their album was still pretty new, one of my friends told me his favorite song was "For One Dove". I thought "What a gay song title." Then I got my own copy of the record, read the song list and went "Oooooohhhhhhh. For WANT OF. Duh."
I've been listening to this album for years. I can relate so much to their music. Is funny too because they never considered themselves to be emo or an emo band, they hated being called that. Music like this is great and the new shit needs to change and be more like this.
I think emo isn't dead, because emo is never alive. Emo is underground so it's hard to find, but they're exist... State Faults is one of emo (screamo actually) that still active.
Arty Guajardo solo puras de punk pop que ni siquiera son emo en vez de escuchar la musica emo de "VERDAD" por que no vuelven bandas estilo rites of spring o sunny real estate para volver a establecer el genero como debe ser : hardcore punk con sentimientos puros y emocionales
Ha. The old 9:30 club! Right up there with the 7th Street Entry in Minneapolis. Both painted blacker than black inside. The camera person sat up in that little bird's nest on the pillar in front of the stage. Takes me back. Great band. Great song. I feel guilty being nostalgic about it though. Seems like yesterday. Still lives brand new in my heart.
wtf is this supposed to mean? Emo is just fine. There was literally an emo revival in the 2010s with bands like The Hotelier, Brave Little Abacus, Hop Along, all coming along within the last ten years and revitalized the genre to a degree we haven't seen since TDAGARIM dropped.
ROS's protest against the "emo" label is a bit disingenuous. They were singing about different stuff than their contemporaries -- love, disappointment, heartbreak. Yes, the Bad Brains and Minor Threat had "emotion" but they were not singing about interpersonal love gone wrong. Come on.
+Scott Bilbrey I can understand it. Labeling is just a way to set them apart from their contemporaries. Even though ROS was different from Bad Brains and Minor Threat, the three had something in common: the sincerity, the raw energy. That's what matters. And, well, Minor Threat got pretty emotional on songs like Betray and Look Back and Laugh, and Bad Brains have Sailin' On...
They just don't want to bunched with that new pop movement. They are truly hardcore punk through and through. But they are also emo, whether they like it or not.
+John NoNameGibbon new pop movement? Emo got pop with Jimmy Eat World which is far into the late second wave. Jawbreaker kinda added a pop feel but it still was raw and had the emotive energy. Emo started out as a post hardcore subgenre, hence emocore, so yeah
Not only were their spngs about different stuff, they started a different sound. A group bands that could be connected together and attracted a large enough audience that these bands required a label to categorize them. I don't find the label emo offensive at all. Whether you take it to mean emotive or emotional, there is nothing wrong with either of those.
"emo" literally was just another stupid term created by braindead music journalists for D.C Hardcore which tended towards more introspective, reflective lyrics. to assert that theyre two separate, distinct genres is ridiculous and redundant, nearly as much as the term "emo" is itself. the emo of today is not punk, but the "emo" of then was absolutely just hardcore. hardcore is inherently emotional, regardless of whether its extrospective or introspective, but privileged and politically illiterate suburbanites cant seem to detect emotionality if its not ego-centric or autofellating.
Si, comprendo espanol un poco. Estoy de acuerdo por que una cancion asi tan poderosa podria cambiar a su vida. La melodia es perfecta ademas de la energia majica que trae. Perdoname por no usar acentos ni buena gramatica.
Once the media labels something it looses its gusto. To be told you are Emo, when you're just making badass music, is ridiculous. Keep your labels & your banter, I'll just listen to the music.
+whatIdontSEE I think something that really get's lost in the labels is the how much Rites of Spring, and early emo in general, seems equally inspired by Hardcore and Post Punk.
that's what a genre is supposed to be used for: categorizing similar things. If in your perspective that genres are useless I guess we should start saying rock is pop or novels are fucking poetry. This is emo because it talks about inner problems to an emotional sort of introverted way and if you don't like that then just fucking call it rock and stop whining out
***** as far as you should be concerned, emo is just a music genre. Sure there's a subculture of either 90s emo kids, geeky sweaters and eyeglasses, or 00s emo kids, scene kids but darker make up and black sweaters. But they're only labelled emo because no one has anything to label them and back then emo-scene kids listened to old Fall Out Boy which was emo so they just called them emo. Honestly, I find it stupid to call people music genres
Samuel Pearson Is people's fault that they have no personality and put a label on themselves. Then they even feed a stereotype that much that even people that have nothing to do with the subculture get victimised by the public opinion. When I was 15 I've been callled an "emo" on street by one douchebag stranger because I just had some short bangs
Whateva happened to Emo ? How did it go from this to shit. I swear its soooo frickkin depressing how something so brutal could be compromised into a fad. This song is really authentic Emotional Hardcore EmoCore needs a ressurection.
y'all remember how cramped and crazy the old 930 club was? couldn't have been more perfect. watch out for that iron column in the middle of the floor, don't wanna bump the videographer.
This one goes out to my old OLD buddy Clayton. This is the band that became fugazi. If you ever have a chance you should listen to their cd its really great.
@senman6, " Wow,they really should find another name for modern day "emo" because this is real emo and they where first and it doesn't sound anything like "emo" today." There IS. It's Post-Hardcore, but too many people listen to what MTV defines it as sadly.
Totally agreed ! These so call emo bands nowadays sound like sissy's ! Even Rock music in general don't even sound like the way it use to be even Metal !
Emo did not become what we know as emo until at least the 2000s. This is simply "emotional hardcore" which is just hardcore punk that is a little more focused on catharsis of sorts.
Most people have a horribly limited idea of what emo is, simply because the most important records in the development of emo were largely released on vinyl, in small numbers, and with limited distribution.
who gives a shit what it is apart from FUCKIN AWESOME. i really have woken up with a piece of past in my throat and choked. good on you ROP id do anythign to meet them x
![Rite of Spring [COMPLETE] On Guitars](/img/1.gif)
I'm so tired of the emo debate. Instead I'll just say:
I LOVE THIS SONG.
This is emotional hardcore. In the late 80's thru the 90's we called it "emo" for short. There is nothing wrong with the term. What Guy P. says almost doesn't matter, no disrespect meant towards him. Emo has such a bad connotation NOW, that no one in their right mind would want to be associated with it. Understandable. But then again, isn't all music--esp. hardcorepunk--emotional? Yes, and ESPECIALLY hardcorepunk. So kids, get with it! Signed, a 41 yr old hardcore kid. xoxoxox
I was born on 1990 and I saw emo shift into a cartoon version of itself. It's weird listening to atdi and grey matter and all a sudden mcr and death cab for cutie is now emo.
vadermask//mass retaliation the most over used and least understood genre of music.
Times sure have changed, since this comment
As a kid growing up watching classics like this (born in 1996 and finding punk around 06/07) I truly wish I grew up in your era of punk. It seemed so much more authentic and less performative.
At least this isn't that "emo" 🤷🏻♀️. I prefer this time the studio version cause for the desperate energy I loved so much in my teen years
I woke up this morning with a piece of past caught in my throat, and then I choked.
It it weren't for Rites of Spring I may not have survived my early 20's. I still have an R.O.S. tattoo. So many good memories of these guys, Embrace , etc.
One of my favorite songs ever. Guy Piccioto was such a good frontman. Too bad he forgets the words haha.
I think emo is also sort of considered just about the lyrics, but it has a lot to do with the vocal style and some to do with the instrumentation. Guy starts off the song pretty normally, but he's crying halfway through, giving this shredded wail that a lot of vocalists couldn't pull off normally. Emo was also the first step towards more complex songs, as seen on All Through A Life, though this song is closer to original hardcore. Nevertheless, emocore was an entirely different genre than today.
You sound like a cool guy, aren't you?
Pd: Nice Gira profile pic
It started with this and became Hot Topic-core REAL FAST.
Bring this type of emo music back world please.
man. Guy Picciotto's so subdued here. every other time i've seen footage of him, he's just completely tearing up the stage.
So emo it melts my heart
This Is Real Post-Hardcore Sound!
This is Emo, and not Post-Hardcore
+Light Yagami This is most definitely Post-Hardcore. The band associated with the term "Emo", but there are videos where they confirm that they are not Emo... even though they're credited for it.
+Light Yagami Emo came from post-hardcore
Ƚ ɫ Ğ Ĥ ȾEmo originated from post hardcore. As such, much of it overlaps. I would consider ROS both emo and post hardcore. Where as Fugazi or Glassjaw I would just consider post hardcore, and I would consider something like Dashboard confessional just emo.
It was called hardcore back in the day. Too heavy for new wave
he gets so into it, he starts to cry a litle half way through.
The real Post-Hardcore of 1980s
This is Emotional Hardcore, not post-hardcore.
@@PieroGranadosG. its both, emotional hardcore is already a style of post-hardcore
but for me its not an "Emo" is just an math rock asthetic,it comes to sad tune...
@@PieroGranadosG.emo core is post hardcore
People say they're emo but have never heard of this band :T
Their the oldest emo band in fact they are actually the first.
ok
That just shows that you're uninformed
Im just gonna say im a 15y/o emo stuck in 80s and 90s..
@@leonaamidzic4668 some of modern emo bands are cool... I'm 16
I love rites of spring, fucking lit
I remember when their album was still pretty new, one of my friends told me his favorite song was "For One Dove". I thought "What a gay song title." Then I got my own copy of the record, read the song list and went "Oooooohhhhhhh. For WANT OF. Duh."
That bassline around the halfway point is straight 🔥
shit was just called punk back in the day
fuck 666--- fuck punk--- yno hardcore,emocore ,posthardcore
you okay pb1976ful?
Born in '68. It's still punk rock 'n roll to me.
I've been listening to this album for years. I can relate so much to their music.
Is funny too because they never considered themselves to be emo or an emo band, they hated being called that.
Music like this is great and the new shit needs to change and be more like this.
Definitely more personal lyrics than most, goddamn I love the guitar in this.
Now emos been dead a long time ago and later replaced by emo soundcloud meme rappers what a time to be alive lol
razor ramone nah, mcr is getting back together?😳
I dunno. I'm not dead yet. Undead undead undead.
Some are still here and its coming back ^^
@@contrivanced9404 mcr is not emo, but they're great anyway as an alternative rock...
I think emo isn't dead, because emo is never alive. Emo is underground so it's hard to find, but they're exist... State Faults is one of emo (screamo actually) that still active.
This is so damn good.
Such great energy love the guitar riff
I am really obsessed with the music that I cant stop listening to it🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I’ve lost count of how many times I’ve listened to this song today. I’d guess 10 at least. Fuck this is good.
emo doesn't stand for emotional it stands for emotion, every emotion
It stands for emotional hardcore
Harmless Recall the genre yes
Los Emos Incultos De Hoy En Dia No Han De Conocer Esta Hermosa Banda
Arty Guajardo solo puras de punk pop que ni siquiera son emo en vez de escuchar la musica emo de "VERDAD" por que no vuelven bandas estilo rites of spring o sunny real estate para volver a establecer el genero como debe ser : hardcore punk con sentimientos puros y emocionales
Asi es hermano mio...
Hoy solo somos posers alv escuchando las bandas actuales...
:v.......
@@alexkirby2914 Sunny Day Real Estate no es emo.
this is so beautiful in so many ways
I love how he fucks up the lyrics lmao
I was born in 94. I wish I was alive to see them perform.
Holy shit, thanks for posting this! One of the most influential bands of the last 30 years. Never mind all the noob comments...
This is really intense. What a performance.
Ha. The old 9:30 club! Right up there with the 7th Street Entry in Minneapolis. Both painted blacker than black inside. The camera person sat up in that little bird's nest on the pillar in front of the stage. Takes me back.
Great band. Great song. I feel guilty being nostalgic about it though. Seems like yesterday. Still lives brand new in my heart.
Argentina estuvo aquí :3
dischord will ALL ways rule
nice day: I found this amazing band, and now I have to buy their discography
great song, great quality and sound thanks =)
When emo was emo lol
ok
wtf is this supposed to mean? Emo is just fine. There was literally an emo revival in the 2010s with bands like The Hotelier, Brave Little Abacus, Hop Along, all coming along within the last ten years and revitalized the genre to a degree we haven't seen since TDAGARIM dropped.
So energetic.
I love that you titled this OLD 9:30 CLUB --- That was such a space -- memories of all ages kid! So rare!
one of the greatest songs ever
okay, yeah! especially moss icon and rites of spring. Thank you to the poster for this video.
ye olde emo! i love it
truly amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ROS's protest against the "emo" label is a bit disingenuous. They were singing about different stuff than their contemporaries -- love, disappointment, heartbreak. Yes, the Bad Brains and Minor Threat had "emotion" but they were not singing about interpersonal love gone wrong. Come on.
+Scott Bilbrey I can understand it. Labeling is just a way to set them apart from their contemporaries. Even though ROS was different from Bad Brains and Minor Threat, the three had something in common: the sincerity, the raw energy. That's what matters.
And, well, Minor Threat got pretty emotional on songs like Betray and Look Back and Laugh, and Bad Brains have Sailin' On...
They just don't want to bunched with that new pop movement. They are truly hardcore punk through and through. But they are also emo, whether they like it or not.
+John NoNameGibbon new pop movement? Emo got pop with Jimmy Eat World which is far into the late second wave. Jawbreaker kinda added a pop feel but it still was raw and had the emotive energy. Emo started out as a post hardcore subgenre, hence emocore, so yeah
Samuel Pearson I feel ya. But you know what I mean. The further it goes into pop, the less they want you to bunch them in that.
Not only were their spngs about different stuff, they started a different sound. A group bands that could be connected together and attracted a large enough audience that these bands required a label to categorize them. I don't find the label emo offensive at all. Whether you take it to mean emotive or emotional, there is nothing wrong with either of those.
Hard core punk. Back on the day
Listen to the album version
This is raw and live
Sad song🥀
dam this is one of my favorite trax from this band. mad luv!!
Thx Thx for sending this great stuff. After reading the dance of days I was hoping so much to see this footage :)
Geez, I cant believe im only now finding this. Fucking awesome, thanks for the post, and thanks to whoever taped this. Nice job.
emo has went beyond its own term so the debate is obsolete
akhmad alfan absolutely agreed
there is no debate. pop punk isn't emo. this is. period
first there was emo. then there was post-emo. then a bunch of pop punk artist started getting called "emo" by their stupid fans
Its ridiculous
@@jeffblaine933 not by fans, by media.
Instant like. Thanks for upload.
2:31 full emotional... 💔
hehe, you can buy me some water, i don't drink alcohol :)
Best emo punk ever 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
Rites of Spring, one of the fore-fronts of real "emo" music. The Washington, DC scene was hardcore then.
"emo" literally was just another stupid term created by braindead music journalists for D.C Hardcore which tended towards more introspective, reflective lyrics. to assert that theyre two separate, distinct genres is ridiculous and redundant, nearly as much as the term "emo" is itself. the emo of today is not punk, but the "emo" of then was absolutely just hardcore. hardcore is inherently emotional, regardless of whether its extrospective or introspective, but privileged and politically illiterate suburbanites cant seem to detect emotionality if its not ego-centric or autofellating.
good one. bout time.
Right ! Everybody at my school says you aint punk till you get a hawk and i keep telling em IM FREAKIN EMO!
Si, comprendo espanol un poco. Estoy de acuerdo por que una cancion asi tan poderosa podria cambiar a su vida. La melodia es perfecta ademas de la energia majica que trae. Perdoname por no usar acentos ni buena gramatica.
Q foda véih! só conheci a banda pq to lendo a biografia do Dave Grohl!! ele curtia...
long live post-hardcore!
Man its to bad rites of spring doesn't exist anymore
"RIP"
Once the media labels something it looses its gusto. To be told you are Emo, when you're just making badass music, is ridiculous. Keep your labels & your banter, I'll just listen to the music.
+whatIdontSEE It's not their fault that modern emos gave them a bad reputation. Original emos were pretty cool
+whatIdontSEE I think something that really get's lost in the labels is the how much Rites of Spring, and early emo in general, seems equally inspired by Hardcore and Post Punk.
that's what a genre is supposed to be used for: categorizing similar things. If in your perspective that genres are useless I guess we should start saying rock is pop or novels are fucking poetry. This is emo because it talks about inner problems to an emotional sort of introverted way and if you don't like that then just fucking call it rock and stop whining out
***** as far as you should be concerned, emo is just a music genre. Sure there's a subculture of either 90s emo kids, geeky sweaters and eyeglasses, or 00s emo kids, scene kids but darker make up and black sweaters. But they're only labelled emo because no one has anything to label them and back then emo-scene kids listened to old Fall Out Boy which was emo so they just called them emo. Honestly, I find it stupid to call people music genres
Samuel Pearson Is people's fault that they have no personality and put a label on themselves. Then they even feed a stereotype that much that even people that have nothing to do with the subculture get victimised by the public opinion. When I was 15 I've been callled an "emo" on street by one douchebag stranger because I just had some short bangs
Whateva happened to Emo ? How did it go from this to shit. I swear its soooo frickkin depressing how something so brutal could be compromised into a fad. This song is really authentic Emotional Hardcore EmoCore needs a ressurection.
love that band
*Stops self before getting into debate realizing make a statement would only fuel the fire*
Rites of Spring=Pure awesomeness, Guy looks B.a too
y'all remember how cramped and crazy the old 930 club was? couldn't have been more perfect. watch out for that iron column in the middle of the floor, don't wanna bump the videographer.
This one goes out to my old OLD buddy Clayton.
This is the band that became fugazi. If you ever have a chance you should listen to their cd its really great.
Guys, emo like this still exists. Don't blame the mainstream for picking out the catchy cash cow bands. You just gotta look for yourself.
@senman6, " Wow,they really should find another name for modern day "emo" because this is real emo and they where first and it doesn't sound anything like "emo" today."
There IS. It's Post-Hardcore, but too many people listen to what MTV defines it as sadly.
Totally agreed !
These so call emo bands nowadays sound like sissy's !
Even Rock music in general don't even sound like the way it use to be even Metal !
That's my guitar! Eddie, why you playing my guitar, man? O
Emo did not become what we know as emo until at least the 2000s. This is simply "emotional hardcore" which is just hardcore punk that is a little more focused on catharsis of sorts.
good times....
Emo is not short for emotional. It is short of emotional hardcore. Nothing else.
haha this is awesome
I woke up this morning with a piece of past caught in my throat........and then i choked!!
Great true song.
The born of emo and post hardcore. No doubt about it.
Who cares about how they look, just enjoy the music for what it is.
they´r real.... with real emotions and stuff... not like this new guys that pretend to be emo and make scenes
***** they are emocore thats they genre
WTF
***** "Melancholic" makes me think of sad alcoholics
technically when they went out a number of bands got influenced by them and they made an emocore scene in DC (known as the first wave)
Who made you guys think this is emocore? it's fucking hardcore and besides that stop fucking putting everything into brackets! enjoy the music ffs.
CLASSIC.
el mejor post hardcore ochentero
Most people have a horribly limited idea of what emo is, simply because the most important records in the development of emo were largely released on vinyl, in small numbers, and with limited distribution.
the emo music had started in the eighties and died in the eighties.. there is no more.. emo..the todays emo ..is just a fashion...
Mó emo core louco O/
Best band eva! DOD rules.
just appreciate passion.
Yes.
is guy piccoto the one with curly hair?
Yep
He's the one in the center that's singing.
He's the one thats singing
Yeah. The one singing
No dat would be Ian makyr
along with a band called Embrace. They were in Washington DC.
Emotive hardcore forever!
Awesome
congratulations.
so raw
Guy Picciotto, aguy of this band have said that he never reconized emo as a musik genre. He said all the bands he has played was punk bands.
tHis iS bAd mY cHemiCHal RomAnCe sOnG
and yet its the word used to describe this kind of music
I keep finding this band when i try to look for the Ballet
who gives a shit what it is apart from FUCKIN AWESOME. i really have woken up with a piece of past in my throat and choked. good on you ROP id do anythign to meet them x
Sounds like good ol rock n roll to me.