I have a Rhino which is unique and very well made. It’s a crowded market for 1911’s, but it is interesting to see yet another quality company throwing their hat in the ring.
More or less crowded with junk from turkey and Philippines. Most of the higher quality brands like the colts and rugers are unobtanium. Exceptions being the sparse selection from Kimber and Springfield.
Lol ...like rock island ....you know they bought most the the U.S made 1911 machines to make 1911's that made colt ,spring field ,singer, GM and international harvester 1911's plus others and at a affordable price .......
@@thatguyoverthere9634 do you have access to the internet? Rugers and colts are available on there, grab a g dot comm just dropped a sale add including pieces by both of those particular brands. The colt could be had in gold, engraved or stainless, the ruger was only available in stainless but a couple different barrel lengths. Unobtainable only to blind people and sometimes criminals even without the internet. Are you blind?
@@nonyabiz9487there used to be a line of guns called Charles Daly that were made in the Philippines, but they aren't connected to the current maker in Italy. Two totally different companies. But those older ones were nice too I'm told.😊
@@nonyabiz9487there used to be a line of guns called Charles Daly that were made in the Philippines, but they aren't connected to the current maker in Italy. Two totally different companies. But those older ones were nice too I'm told.😊
To make things less confusing for everyone these 1911s are imported from Italy to the USA under the Charles Daly brand. Charles Daly has been importing these 1911s for a long time ever since the 1990s and they all have been very good quality! Out of all the 1911s for around $600 bucks or less I would personally select the Charles Daly, Springfield Armory, or the Tisas 1911 over all the others. All three of those are excellent quality for the money. Especially if your on a budget and would like to upgrade your pistol those 3 1911 makers are the way to go.
I wanted to add I also have the Charles Daly Field Grade 1911 and I like it more than my Tisas and the Tisas is hard to beat for the price. Its a very nicely done GI model 1911A1 and its "70 series" thank the heavens! Super easy to upgrade the gun took all my high end Wilson Combat parts with no issues.
I am surprised and delighted to wake up to your latest IWA upload , just Yesterday after reading Chip McCormick's obituary I learned Chip and Kimber started the concept and production of non-hand fitting 1911 pistols. I welcome this bc it brought the price of feature rich 1911's to an amazing low price. I was about to buy my first budget 1911 but bc of YOU, I can procrastinate 6 months or longer until the new Charles Daily line of 1911's hit our stores. Thank you James 👍💯❤️
Because all three of the guns you mentioned have major issues that make them problematic as a useable modern firearm. Love it or hate it, the 1911 is still a relevant pistol today.
@@TroopperFoFo the lugerman lugers are cool in a historic replica sense, but are about as useful as a Uberti "colt dragoon"...an interesting range toy, but not a practical firearm.
James, do an "almost poors" 1911 review. Something in the $700-$1100 range. Do it in gratuitous shorts so I can use the video to help persuade my wife to agree to the purchase. Thanks in advance.
Its not a video but if you're hunting suggestions I'd suggest Tisas. They're Turkish but very highly reviewed and their chrome ones with adjustable irons usually run about 800 range.
@@fastec5 Springfield has been garbage for the last 10 years, and Dan Wessons are like minimum 1400 bucks. Also if you compare the Ronin to the custom 2 TLE they're virtually identical, on paper, on the range, or In a SDS I'd rather have a Kimber any day. Also good luck Springfields customer service is 👎
@@thelastdragon3242 me and you look at very different guns. Ever Kimber I've dealt with since they moved locations in the 90's has been rough for the price, 1911's anyhow. Springfield has been dominating the $1k and lower market for ever. My RO Target fits real tight and is very accurate, and for the fact I only paid 750 for it it's untouchable lol. Now, I will say, I'd do bad things to get my hands on a Kimber K6S Combat....
Haha! James cares so little for 1911 details that he didn’t ask about series 70/80 or standard barrel bushing. That Field looks like an A1 or GI model with a fiberoptic front. Why are only few companies making a doublestack 9mm 1911?
Wilson combat makes them. Nighthawk too, Remington used to make them. Not sure about that now. Staccato makes them. RIA makes them. I guess they don’t make many of them because a lot of people don’t really want a double stack 1911. 20 rounds of 45 ACP is almost like carrying another small pistol weight wise. If you live in a Ten round mag state, it is useless. I want a 1911 double stack in 38 Super, but I can’t find one. Tangfolio has a nice one, and the New Sigs look and feel like 1911s. I can put them on top of each other and they are very much alike. Plus, I have them in SAO, so it is even more like a 1911.
@@Gambitt1970 While I will agree the market is saturated with those, sometimes it does yield a something good. Look at PSA's new Glock clone, at only $300 it actually stands out a bit among dozens of other glocks.
@@killgriffin PSA is an interesting company. While I am not interested in a $300 dollar Glock clone, maybe this can help push the price of Glocks down. They have kept their prices artificially high for many years now.
The problem with a lot of 22 pistols is due to the low power of the round, companies will make the slides out of a light, cheap zinc type material, which over time is very prone to breakage. The early Walther p22s had the same issue. These should be fine seeing as they are made out of steel.
@@killgriffin the problem with their Beretta 92 22cal clone of firing out of battery. That has nothing to do with the ammo. It's a gun problem and a dangerous one.
We need more 2011's and other _standard capacity_ 1911's. Standard capacity referring to a double-stack magazine. I don't think the world needs _more_ single-stack 1911 variants but to each their own I suppose. Either way, I refuse to adhere to this ridiculous label of "high capacity" nonsense. Thirty rounds is _standard capacity_ for rifles. Whereas anything with 12 rounds or more should be considered _standard capacity_ for pistols if we are using .45 ACP as the caliber basis. Obviously the round count will fluctuate with different calibers but I think you get my point. I surmise this is why the CZ-97 never gained any substantial notoriety. A large framed pistol of that size that only holds 10 rounds of .45 ACP seems rather absurd but I digress. Nonetheless, pick a caliber - any caliber and the people will rejoice. But remember, it has to be available in *_standard capacity,_* double-stack formats. Stay classy my friends.
Remember that at the end of the day what were talking about is a tool for a job. While more is definitely more, it's not necessarily better. Some people prefer the slimmer grip and concealability of a single stack handgun, and some prefer a wider grip of a double stack. Just because you have more rounds doesn't mean those extra rounds will do anything without proper shot placement. I'd rather have the five shot gun I know I can use the the best of my abilities than the Glock with extended magazines that I won't hit anything with.(these are examples for the sake of comparison, the handgun that suits you does just that, suits YOU)
Chrome instead of stainless? Is there a reason for that because it doesn't make sense to me. I'm not sure they should try and sell them here. Judging from what we just heard these are pretty basic 1911's at the high end of basic 1911 price ranges. There's nothing there that competes with US manufactured guns with histories of quality and performance. Why buy this over a Ruger or a S&W or a Colt or any other gun in that general price range? Now if they had created guns with better accuracy, reliability, quality, features than we can get here for the same money it would make sense. At first glance this appears to be a swing and a miss.
Stainless moving parts are crap. Stop buying stainless guns, they wear twice as fast because stainless doesn't slide against stainless very well, it causes gauling and excessive wear.
The only Foreign 1911 I'll go for would be an Israeli made one, even then that's less likely that I'll buy one. It defeats the Purpose of a Classic by outsourcing it from other Nations. Anyone that goes for that isn't wrong, All Guns are Good Guns, it always depends on the owners.
People are starting to figure out how nice those Israeli 1911s are and the prices are going up and availability going down. Better get one when you can! I also dont consider the 1911 an exclusive American gun anymore. The 1911 has gone off the deep end so far that it dosent look like the original American Browning design anymore for some time now.
So instead of keeping up with production on what your website lists, you're going to start making something that the market is flooded with, doesn't make much sense.
Why 8-10 rounds? In 2022 unless your a collector or nostalgia buff why would anybody want these? Why would a manufacturer set up and start making 1911's in singlestack? Is Rock Island the only one that can make 1911's in doublestack? Sure there are the 2011's, but the cost usually goes way up with those, Staccato's and Bul Armory's etc.
![The Mercedes of 2011 Handguns: German STP 1911s and 2011s [IWA 2022]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/HlSFlfb_7VA/mqdefault.jpg)
I have a Rhino which is unique and very well made. It’s a crowded market for 1911’s, but it is interesting to see yet another quality company throwing their hat in the ring.
More or less crowded with junk from turkey and Philippines. Most of the higher quality brands like the colts and rugers are unobtanium. Exceptions being the sparse selection from Kimber and Springfield.
Lol ...like rock island ....you know they bought most the the U.S made 1911 machines to make 1911's that made colt ,spring field ,singer, GM and international harvester 1911's plus others and at a affordable price .......
@@thatguyoverthere9634 do you have access to the internet?
Rugers and colts are available on there, grab a g dot comm just dropped a sale add including pieces by both of those particular brands. The colt could be had in gold, engraved or stainless, the ruger was only available in stainless but a couple different barrel lengths.
Unobtainable only to blind people and sometimes criminals even without the internet.
Are you blind?
Chiappa is just funky enough for me to really have an affection for their stuff.
I have the 1911 Field Grade version, and I love it. Very impressive performance, and at a very affordable price tag.
I just bought a Cimarron 1886, which is built by Chiappa. They're really doing some fantastic work right now.
I thought those were made in the Philippines?
@@nonyabiz9487there used to be a line of guns called Charles Daly that were made in the Philippines, but they aren't connected to the current maker in Italy. Two totally different companies. But those older ones were nice too I'm told.😊
@@nonyabiz9487there used to be a line of guns called Charles Daly that were made in the Philippines, but they aren't connected to the current maker in Italy. Two totally different companies. But those older ones were nice too I'm told.😊
James falls for the trap to get him to say "the Superior 1911" 🤣
Another great interview James! And us TFB addicts know how you feel about 1911's!
Unnecessary apostrophe
I took a look at it at Chiappa booth and looked very well. Nice option for a reasonably priced 1911 :) btw. Chiappa booth had a plenty of cool stuff!
now they need to make a 1911 in 10mm. Everyone and his dog makes a 9mm and 45acp.
@DuW .50 GI.
@@brettbaker5599 Good lord! :D
To make things less confusing for everyone these 1911s are imported from Italy to the USA under the Charles Daly brand. Charles Daly has been importing these 1911s for a long time ever since the 1990s and they all have been very good quality! Out of all the 1911s for around $600 bucks or less I would personally select the Charles Daly, Springfield Armory, or the Tisas 1911 over all the others. All three of those are excellent quality for the money. Especially if your on a budget and would like to upgrade your pistol those 3 1911 makers are the way to go.
I wanted to add I also have the Charles Daly Field Grade 1911 and I like it more than my Tisas and the Tisas is hard to beat for the price. Its a very nicely done GI model 1911A1 and its "70 series" thank the heavens! Super easy to upgrade the gun took all my high end Wilson Combat parts with no issues.
i wish they were doing short barrels for the field and superior. also threaded barrels would be nice, and sight mounts on the higher end ones too.
Very nice of you James to make 1911 content for us even tho they don't fit your personal taste!
I hope you did a vid on the HK433 :D.
Gotta love how they're teasing that SMG and an even larger rhino.
I am surprised and delighted to wake up to your latest IWA upload , just Yesterday after reading Chip McCormick's obituary I learned Chip and Kimber started the concept and production of non-hand fitting 1911 pistols.
I welcome this bc it brought the price of feature rich 1911's to an amazing low price.
I was about to buy my first budget 1911 but bc of YOU, I can procrastinate 6 months or longer until the new Charles Daily line of 1911's hit our stores. Thank you James 👍💯❤️
Do two Italian nonnas hover over you while you shoot and keep putting magazines on your plate when you run out ?
Good video James, thanks a lot you guys are really making good videos right now
>gi model is the cheapest and the best
Sounds dank, I hope they come out soon.
The 1911 has the best trigger!
Captain obvious has entered the chat
2 world wars!
@@minnesotanice369 how many kills did you have in Nom Rambo?
@@ethanbarnes2549 Don't forget about jungles and sand boxes.
I mean I've had my fill of 1911s. Rather have more double stacks without the grip safety to save grip size.
That GI 1911A1 looks really nice… are these series 70’s or 80’s
I want to know as well.
According to Sootch it's a series 70
My own experience with Chiappa quality thus far is hit or miss.
Maybe if you spent more time at the range you'd hit more than you miss!😂
We have so many companies making 1911 reproductions why can't any of them make a reproduction Luger or a Mauser Broom handle , or a Webley Fosbery.
LKCI appears to have a Turkish Luger clone for $800.
Because all three of the guns you mentioned have major issues that make them problematic as a useable modern firearm. Love it or hate it, the 1911 is still a relevant pistol today.
Since posting this I have found a company making new lugers. lugerman makes lugers in 45 acp 10mm and 9x25 dillan.
@@TroopperFoFo the lugerman lugers are cool in a historic replica sense, but are about as useful as a Uberti "colt dragoon"...an interesting range toy, but not a practical firearm.
Anyone know what the PDW looking thing on the right is?
Can we get the Superior in 30 Super Carry ?
Make more rhinos and make them cheaper
When are those chiappa 1887s gonna be back in stock
That sub gun looked interesting
Wish I could find a 3in or 4in Rhino Black in .357 and one of those Supiror Black in .45
That exit and pull-away to the booth banner was hot.
So what the hell was that scorpion looking thing in the background James...come on man 😏
What was that sick target style six inch rhino with no ugly rails????
YA MAN !!!...VERY EXCITED !!!.....I envy you Man for being there !!!
James, do an "almost poors" 1911 review. Something in the $700-$1100 range. Do it in gratuitous shorts so I can use the video to help persuade my wife to agree to the purchase. Thanks in advance.
Its not a video but if you're hunting suggestions I'd suggest Tisas. They're Turkish but very highly reviewed and their chrome ones with adjustable irons usually run about 800 range.
Now if someone would figure out how to produce a high value 2011 besides Rock Island
They should make a 10mm one and I'd be a customer. But you can just get Kimbers all day for those prices.
Isn’t 10mm a bit on the hotter side for a 1911 platform? The Delta Elites tended to wear and break fast.
@@mathy4605 You got about 3000 rounds with the standard barrel, this is true.
Why buy a Kimber? The higher end Springfields and low end Dan Wessons are far better for the price.
@@fastec5 Springfield has been garbage for the last 10 years, and Dan Wessons are like minimum 1400 bucks. Also if you compare the Ronin to the custom 2 TLE they're virtually identical, on paper, on the range, or In a SDS I'd rather have a Kimber any day. Also good luck Springfields customer service is 👎
@@thelastdragon3242 me and you look at very different guns. Ever Kimber I've dealt with since they moved locations in the 90's has been rough for the price, 1911's anyhow. Springfield has been dominating the $1k and lower market for ever. My RO Target fits real tight and is very accurate, and for the fact I only paid 750 for it it's untouchable lol. Now, I will say, I'd do bad things to get my hands on a Kimber K6S Combat....
Never heard of Kimar(the real manufacturer as you can see on the receiver), maybe I'll check them next time I'm there
It's Kitam. It's a manufacturing company in the same city of Chiappa.
The barrel in the 1911 empire cal.9mm is ramped?
been wondering if there will ever be an 8 shot rhino
I'm still holding out hope for one in 44 magnum.
instead of chrome, why dont they just make it from staineless steel....is it harder to manufacture if its made of stainless?
It's easier to manufacture, but the problem with stainless steel is galling. Stainess steel sliding on stainless steel is a terrible conbination.
What was the pricing on the basic one?
This sounds great!
Best to ya',,,,!
I own a rock island GI bought for $429 out the door and like it more than my spring field GI that cost $1500....
beautiful 1911s
I wish a company would get into making more affordable 2011 platforms
Yeah I started saving up for a staccato c2 5 years ago. I should be able to afford it in another 5 years.
RIA does 2011s for reasonable money right now, but I haven't heard anything as to their actual quality
Agreed. Rock Island is one of the few I can think of. Not the nicest looking, but seem to be reliable and they offer them in a few calibers.
Ooh! Ooh! Me, me! I am very interested! And in the market! Do they throw in a Chiapas Rainbow? Or whatever it’s called. Or a chance at one?
Why would you drop $1200-$1400 on this instead of a sig or smith 1911?
From one James to another, please ask beretta about importing the ARX200 in .308
What about in 38 super
Price?
Yo tell me more about that PPC Rhino
670 euro for that A1 is actually nice!
Question to experts
Please answer
Is chiappa make revolvers in ,22 lr or Magnum.
I like the design but permit is only for ,22
What is that long black thing over your shoulder?
A pity no rails for accessories
Idk that I'd call that affordable when you can get good pistols that hold 5-7 more rounds and are optics ready for half-a third of the price..
Still waiting for that 44 magnum rhino!
Field Commander?
Italia 1911 ?!! Alright you peaked my interest!
That Empire model looks just like a Les Baer.
I hope this is a good release.
I like the chrome
Yooo I'm eying that nebula rhino. Give me a 5 or 6 inch and I'm in. Gotta sport the 357 rainbow problem solver
Price is pretty good, might get tempted by a 45
Haha! James cares so little for 1911 details that he didn’t ask about series 70/80 or standard barrel bushing. That Field looks like an A1 or GI model with a fiberoptic front. Why are only few companies making a doublestack 9mm 1911?
9mm is the most common caliber for 2011s, there's quite a few companies that make them. I'm pretty sure ever Rock Island has a double stack in 9mm.
Wilson combat makes them. Nighthawk too, Remington used to make them. Not sure about that now. Staccato makes them. RIA makes them. I guess they don’t make many of them because a lot of people don’t really want a double stack 1911. 20 rounds of 45 ACP is almost like carrying another small pistol weight wise. If you live in a Ten round mag state, it is useless. I want a 1911 double stack in 38 Super, but I can’t find one. Tangfolio has a nice one, and the New Sigs look and feel like 1911s. I can put them on top of each other and they are very much alike. Plus, I have them in SAO, so it is even more like a 1911.
Series 70 I hope for those wonderful priced 911 I love the 45 AARP's
Yes they are all "70 series"
Has Yankee Marshall seen this?
James.. hike your shorts up and make a TFB Germany and have that lovely lady from yesterday make all the videos 😍
The last thing the American market needs is another 1911, and I even like 1911's.
No such thing as too much variety. I don't have much interest in these, but more options never hurt anyone.
@@killgriffin I normally would agree except for when it comes to 1911's, Glock-type guns and AR's in the American market.
@@Gambitt1970 While I will agree the market is saturated with those, sometimes it does yield a something good. Look at PSA's new Glock clone, at only $300 it actually stands out a bit among dozens of other glocks.
@@killgriffin PSA is an interesting company. While I am not interested in a $300 dollar Glock clone, maybe this can help push the price of Glocks down. They have kept their prices artificially high for many years now.
How did I not know this channel existed and I've been watching James on the TFBTV channel for years... The Algorithm failed me!
They have been imported here under the Charles Daly name for years.
I've had a fairly popular Chiappa rifle on order since March 2021.... Not sure I trust their ability to export to the US as of recent
Tell me, Mr. Wick, is this for a formal event or a social affair?
I hope they're actually safe to fire unlike their Beretta 92 22cal clone
The problem with a lot of 22 pistols is due to the low power of the round, companies will make the slides out of a light, cheap zinc type material, which over time is very prone to breakage. The early Walther p22s had the same issue. These should be fine seeing as they are made out of steel.
@@killgriffin the problem with their Beretta 92 22cal clone of firing out of battery. That has nothing to do with the ammo. It's a gun problem and a dangerous one.
What’s that guy’s mask made out of a roofing shingle I can’t hear anything you’re saying
We need more 2011's and other _standard capacity_ 1911's.
Standard capacity referring to a double-stack magazine. I don't think the world needs _more_ single-stack 1911 variants but to each their own I suppose.
Either way, I refuse to adhere to this ridiculous label of "high capacity" nonsense. Thirty rounds is _standard capacity_ for rifles. Whereas anything with 12 rounds or more should be considered _standard capacity_ for pistols if we are using .45 ACP as the caliber basis.
Obviously the round count will fluctuate with different calibers but I think you get my point. I surmise this is why the CZ-97 never gained any substantial notoriety. A large framed pistol of that size that only holds 10 rounds of .45 ACP seems rather absurd but I digress.
Nonetheless, pick a caliber - any caliber and the people will rejoice. But remember, it has to be available in *_standard capacity,_* double-stack formats.
Stay classy my friends.
We still need "low capacity" 1911s for those of us in commie states.
Yeah I still kind of want a 14- or 15-round 1911 in .45 that isn’t a Para/Remington.
Glock 21
@@Vuntermonkey "Original and/or Classic capacity" is my preferred terminology.
Valid point nonetheless.
Stay classy my friend.
Remember that at the end of the day what were talking about is a tool for a job. While more is definitely more, it's not necessarily better. Some people prefer the slimmer grip and concealability of a single stack handgun, and some prefer a wider grip of a double stack. Just because you have more rounds doesn't mean those extra rounds will do anything without proper shot placement. I'd rather have the five shot gun I know I can use the the best of my abilities than the Glock with extended magazines that I won't hit anything with.(these are examples for the sake of comparison, the handgun that suits you does just that, suits YOU)
2:06 oh god oh fuck the italian hand-gesture memes are real
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Man dee mak i from THAILAND PATLUNG 😁😁😁 5. 2. .2023
All guns need rails.
The question: how many 1911s does the market really need ?
The answer: at least one more
Oh I’d buy that
I'll wait until after another safety recall by chiappa
Today's Norinco 1911? Those were 1990s bargain basement versions.
No known hands-on experience with them, other than "half price" trends as always.
Bring one in 38.super
Chrome instead of stainless? Is there a reason for that because it doesn't make sense to me.
I'm not sure they should try and sell them here. Judging from what we just heard these are pretty basic 1911's at the high end of basic 1911 price ranges. There's nothing there that competes with US manufactured guns with histories of quality and performance. Why buy this over a Ruger or a S&W or a Colt or any other gun in that general price range? Now if they had created guns with better accuracy, reliability, quality, features than we can get here for the same money it would make sense. At first glance this appears to be a swing and a miss.
Stainless moving parts are crap. Stop buying stainless guns, they wear twice as fast because stainless doesn't slide against stainless very well, it causes gauling and excessive wear.
Colt and quality don't belong in the same sentence.
Man, if only there were some way to understand that guy. I guess I’ll never know about these products.
Try changing the battery in your hearing aid.
Tell them to send more Gold 60DS
He sounds like Charlie Brown's teacher
They make Charles daly
Reeves, youre gunna get a rash
The only Foreign 1911 I'll go for would be an Israeli made one, even then that's less likely that I'll buy one. It defeats the Purpose of a Classic by outsourcing it from other Nations. Anyone that goes for that isn't wrong, All Guns are Good Guns, it always depends on the owners.
People are starting to figure out how nice those Israeli 1911s are and the prices are going up and availability going down. Better get one when you can! I also dont consider the 1911 an exclusive American gun anymore. The 1911 has gone off the deep end so far that it dosent look like the original American Browning design anymore for some time now.
So no pic rail for lights? Meh.
I can't believe I've never shot a 1911.... Someone, hey.... Sell me that cheap 1911.... Lol
Rather have a Dance Wesson
When an Italian know more about 1911s than James…
why dont people make their cool new 1911’s in 10mm
So instead of keeping up with production on what your website lists, you're going to start making something that the market is flooded with, doesn't make much sense.
James I am your father!
Why 8-10 rounds? In 2022 unless your a collector or nostalgia buff why would anybody want these? Why would a manufacturer set up and start making 1911's in singlestack? Is Rock Island the only one that can make 1911's in doublestack? Sure there are the 2011's, but the cost usually goes way up with those, Staccato's and Bul Armory's etc.
Bad,ass,1911
The only Chiappa "1911" pistols I own are their 22s, which are crap.