The BBC will never change, therefore we need to get rid of the licence fee and force them to raise their own funding The BBC is not a superior broadcaster, it is a heavily biased organisation that deserves to be treated as a secondary or third class broadcaster. So why would Helen want to tarnish her name and reputation by joining the BBC.
Yes, Helen does seem to impart something different and equally important in each interview she gives and of course each interviewer also is responsible for bringing that information and those ideas forward. So kudos to you each. Thank you.
Helen Joyce is a hard line feminist who in the 90s was probably arguing against biological determinism, helping to create the very environment that created the transgender movement. And like so many of her ilk is now left arguing for biological determinism - reaping what they sowed. I find it hard to have sympathy for them. They thought they could role the rock of social and cultural change to where they wanted it exactly. It doesn't work like that it just keeps rolling.
@@HebaruSan so her arguing for trans women being not allowed into women's changing rooms is because they're biological men has nothing to do with biological determinism. She's all over the place. If she'd just admit she is arguing from an ideological position she wouldn't have that problem.
Fantastic discussion. Joyce is one of the most lucid public intellectuals around these days. Isn't it sad that a person now needs courage to speak the obvious truth?
A voice of reason, and lucidity. How refreshing, uplifting, informative, inspiring, mind provoking, I have so many adjectives to describe Helen Joyce. 💜
Everyone interested in this topic absolutely needs to lend an ear to Helen Joyce and less to the Matt Walshs and Ben Shapiros who seem to be missing certain elements in their responses. I feel it will be women who finally figure out a way to solve this horrible crisis because that's who has always responded most effectively to situations like this throughout history. Thanks for having this discussion.
I agree. Walsh's stance comes from his "traditionalist" Christian views of the family unit being the bedrock of society. He does free-thinking women no favours. As far as I'm concerned his G.C. views are a bit of a Trojan horse, disguising his traditionalist religious agenda. It seems tainted to me.
@@douglasfreeman3229 I don't consider his views "tainted". He is religious in his views, and that's fine. His right. He is quite right about tackling the "what is a woman" nonsense. He is also correct about a healthy, traditional (heterosexual) family being the bedrock of civilization. It certainly is. Have no idea why anyone wouldn't be able to see that.
thank you. Helen, for highlighting that there are many feminisms and I agree that the "American liberal feminism" is misogynistic (and focused on career and the glass ceiling). It also ignores all the other ways of being feminist except in a hierarchical fashion, putting themselves at the top. I am getting your book. xxx .
Every way possible? Are you sure? And to how many men are you married? Are you sure your husband represents every man? We are not mindless robotic copies of each other. Some of us are individuals. Men and women.
@@MarthaAnthonyI was tasked to create a shortlist for an award to be given to an outstanding early career scientist here in Oz. About half had ‘their pronouns’ in their bios. 😢
Absolutely right.... it makes perfect sense to me that some of the most effective GC communicators are people like proper philosophers and mathematicians, because they can master the logic leaps and twists and turns of these tortured arguments to show where they end up in extremely unreasonable, absurd and contradictory outcomes. I'm very happy to see people with mathematical minds, and proper philosophers like Kathleen Stock taking this on.
Honestly this is easily the best interview Helen Joyce has done so far. So refreshing to hear a "terf" actually talk about middle ground solutions rather than name calling and shaming a group that mainly just wants to get on with life. Can really tell she's really thought about a lot of what she says, I actually hope she tries to reach out to the other side and extreme on hers to engage with them and send them down a better path of solutions and agreements.
Yes, hope she can provide moderation to the extremes on 'her side'. But as for the 'other side', they don't seem keen. She managed to get Grace Lavery to agree to a debate, but it was cancelled.
Further to my comment beginning "I have heard..." I have come to believe that the profound misogyny and envy, resentment, and hatred of the female ability to begin life in her body and give birth are the basis for trans ideology in males and hence in the desire to replace women in all spheres. It is not just the obviously disturbed males who are engaged in this project but every male billionaire funder, psychologist, psychologist, surgeon, journalist, politician, academic, etc. who is similarly motivated to replace women in law and language that are guilty of the horrific consequences being visited on vulnerable children of both sexes, but especially those who are female, and the attack on the rights of women and girls.
What about all the supportive and outraged men, NOT the minority of trans men, who have daughters, girlfriends and wives, (which is the majority of men in the world) who are outraged by this and are all over the media fighting it and in full support? I guess you just ignore them, right? What about all the women who are supporting trans? Powerful feminists, women like Megan Rapinoe (US womens soccer player with a huge public voice) who fight for pay equality for women in courts and SHE also supports trans. So dont make this a sexism thing. Their are powerful women behind trans. Famous womens rights feminists have promoted the trans movement. Most men support women on this issue! Show some thanks for the support of the majority of men who fight alongside the majority of women on this issue... instead of ignoring the reality.
I have been thinking that too. Why is this an agenda being pushed by millionaire/billionaire elites, and they speak of "transgender to transhumanism", which means they want to push playing God as much as possible, and impregnate men, and create babies outside of women's wombs? Along with genetic engineering too of course. Yep, creating a new human life without the "need" for a woman would be the biggest slap against what God has created. Wouldn't it be? If people don't "believe" in God, then why do they want to play God?
I think Helen's comment that a woman who doesn't show the stereotypical behaviours of a woman is not cast out is key here. The converse is not true - men who are not masculine do feel cast out of manhood, then look to being part of womanhood as a consolation prize or catch-all. These men should take it up with men in general about the conceptualisation of men, not impose on women to pretend that they are something they are not.
But feminism was dealing with reality - women are often often infantilised, dismissed and given lower status. Adult women ARE adult women, not girls. Professional women are usually referred to by their first name in situations where men are referred to by their title and surname. We shouldn't refer to police officers as policemen or a female doctor as a lady doctor etc. Language does matter. Feminism was about trying to get people to see objective reality and bias, trans ideology is about imposing a subjective falsehood and telling people it is reality. This false equivalency and the the schadenfreude around it is just misogyny and an excuse for people to not protect or care about women still.
I don’t think it is a minority right to try to make people feel comfortable with a claim identity. I am a female who is 6ft tall lesbian and dress masculine I am mistaken for male 90% of the time I am in public, I learned to deal with it. There are no rules so far that has made that more comfortable. In fact if anything all this gender stuff has made my bathroom interactions worse. Because I used to be able to just say I’m a woman and it was left at that but now there is still doubt that I am a man claiming to be a woman. It’s a mess
Feel almost exactly where you are coming from with what your experience. I am a masculine presenting lesbian (not 6ft tall though). It has become a nightmare, I even have men physically challenging me now when I need to use the public bathrooms. I have always avoided using them if I can, and I AM a woman.
I’m sorry you are experiencing that! It’s crazy how this identity ideology has actually just made things worse for actual naturally gender non conforming people.
I think an important source of information that is overlooked comes from mothers, who, even when they try to raise their kids the same, see these sex differences early on. I thought that gender was a social construct til I had children and nephews and nieces of different sexes, and got to know their friends and classmates. I think too because the trans movement seems generally so mono-generational and removed from this, that these ideas can exist in this bubble, away from human reproduction, growth and development. Most women who are arguing against trans ideology are very informed about the importance of sex and differences between the sexes. We are raising humans.
Straight off the bat Helen mentions "language hijacking". Excellent. 21:43 "... when you move away from positions - the statement trans women are women is a position as of course is trans women are men, they're both positions - drop the position and start thinking what are your interests ..." My interest is in what constitutes a fact of reality, how we come to realise that and nature of the statements about a brute fact of reality. Thus the nature of sex categories, how we come to understand that sex is an empirical feature of reality. Thus my interest is in acknowledging that reality by stating that there is no such entity as a trans woman or trans man because woman and man are the adult human versions of two sex categories.
We are in an age that works hard on instigating hypersensitivity to everything. This feeds into the sociopathic feeding frenzy on any narcisistic tenadancies expressed. It needs to stop before we melt into the swamp.
I have heard the same explanation as to why Stonewall went into the trans business that Helen just voiced, but I wonder if it's the entire story. Yes, money is assuredly implicated in this movement. On the other hand, the trans movement has shown us that there is profound confusion around sexuality in both males and females and for very different reasons in each. So, is the explanation as Helen sees it or is it that in the case of the heterosexual cross-dressing males that there is a desire to be affirmed as women because if we agree with the psychologists these men are in love with themselves in the image of a woman's body. They have been described as both masochistic and narcissistic. In the case of the effeminate gay males they may be driven to be seen as women because they do not wish to be seen as gay and wish to be affirmed as female thus psychologically placing them in a better position being a woman and then free to pursue relationships with their fellow males who may or may not be gay. In the case of lesbians, many of these women are also dissatisfied with being women for all the very real reasons women are thought to be inferior to men and have internalized and the reality that females are attacked on the basis of their sex and their biology by males in religion, in philosophy, and in every area of life: women must serve the sexual desires of men, hence prostitution and pornography. For some of these women it is better, as a result of this sorry state of our lives, to live as males. So, I am saying that the activists who believe as they do that trans is the answer brought about this crazy making state of affairs that has harmed the health and life-long welfare of vulnerable children (especially females) and that the movement is therefore homophobic (as many of the transitioners end up declaring their homosexuality) and profoundly misogynist in seeking to erase women and girls in law and in language.
the reasons for transitions are the same whether MTF or FTM. the idea that there can be 2, 3 or 4 entirely different reasons as you stated for transgender identity in different people for an identical condition, gender disphoria, is not possible when you overlook the most obvious and singular reason. that transgender people exist and have always existed. what you have summarized is basically every flawed idea being amplified by conservative media over the last 6 months. the blanchard hypothesis you paraphrase, about trans women being in love with themselves, is unsupported, the social contagion theory from schrier is not supported, ROTG is unsupported, that lesbians are just confused about their gender is unsupported. the supposed danger that trans women pose to other women is unsupported... the most supported science is that transitioning is the best treatment for a relatively small number of males and females for exactly the same reason. they are transgender. i can tell you have already decided what to believe but you have a lot of anti trans talking points which contradict each other or don't meet the standards to be called science. i am a transgender woman and the only person i am in love with is my wife who happens to be a lesbian. neither of us are confused. listen to trans people. you will find that the characterisation of us as raving activists is also unsupported.
Men want to practice their fetish in public and women want to seem morally superior so they support it. It tracks with sex positivity. Whenever you give anyone with a fetish an inch they keep taking. Normal men want nothing to do with any of this. It’s women and fetishists who drive the situation.
Actually trans is a made up ideology. Most men who claim to be trans are gay or bisexual men who prefer to appear as women. They are gender benders. No one can actually change their sex; therefore there is no real transition.
@@ginaritchie451 your thinking is skewed by the insidious hideous mysoginy that is trans. You cannot be the opposite sex to the one you are born as a mutilating yourself still will not make you the opposite sex
@@nowwhat1434 your incorrect in many ways. A significant % of men in particular are bisexual and are attracted to either other males and transwomen. Transwomen who still have a functional Penis. Trans people have been around since day 1 along with gay and lesbian.
Scap the use if Pronouns,go back to using the old language, transvestite or transsexuals.Then we don't say things like ,she can't use our changing rooms.We are women not egg havers or walking wombs.Otherwise there will continue to be a conflict of rights.
I love Helen but I disagree with her advice. I have had nearly 20 years as a union rep. And staying quiet about injustice just perpetuates the injustice.
You might not intend any offence in addressing women (as well as men) as "guys", but as a woman I hate it... A throwback to the days when "he" stood for "she" (but was still read as "he" while "she" disappeared), the human species was routinely referred to as Man, and Mrs John Smith was the correct way to address a letter to a woman.
@@gabrielmills2361 Obviously you are welcome to your opinion on the matter but a quick check online suggests you are in the minority. There are many informal terms like this which are used for groups of people which come and go with fashion and vary by culture.
@@jrd33 You say "no offence intended" but you are aware of and don't mind causing that offence. It's irrelevant that I may be in a minority of women who dislike being addressed as men. Fashions in use of language doesn't make them acceptable.
@@gabrielmills2361 You are entirely free to take offence at anything I say. I would rather not cause offence, but that is only one factor among many which influences what I say. In casual conversation, I accept that I will sometimes cause offence and that doesn't bother me too much. I sometimes say things I regret, in which case I will apologize and/or clarify. Humans aren't perfect and casual conversation isn't expected to be flawless.
To be fair to Matt Walsh, I’ve never hear Matt Walsh say anything that even implied that women shouldn’t be able to “live full and complete lives…out in the world.” That’s an important distinction to make. I think that he clearly thinks that MOST women would actually be happier with motherhood as the path that they pursue and the primary role that they adopt in their lives, that women who do this are, on the whole, far happier than women who make career development and accomplishments their focus, whether primarily or to the exclusion of motherhood and marriage. There is pretty solid research that has consistently supported this belief, and I actually don’t imagine that Helen Joyce would take issue with that view. I truly haven’t heard Matt Walsh suggest that this justifies allowing barriers of any kind to keep women out of positions and prevent them from pursuing careers and career goals, but instead that the culture shouldn’t discourage women from pursuing marriage and motherhood as regressive and for the purpose of keeping women subjugated. He doesn’t believe that feminism is the worst thing that has happened to humanity because of the ways in which it enabled women to pursue endeavors of their choice; he believes that because he believes that it has made women far less happy by insisting that the things that actually make most women happy are not worth pursuing, demonizing them as regressive and oppressive.
Interesting interview but disagree with Helen’s point about talking to your kids about this ideology & not getting into an argument - example : if my daughter had a male friend who self ids as a female, he’s welcome in my home but he’s still not sleeping in her bedroom overnight!
"If you want to be accepted as a woman when you are visibly a man, you must control everybody else's language.... If that's the only way to get what you want, then you must be quite authoritarian on language". Privileging language over material reality is what I think people respond to more than the person themself and why there's such a backlash.
So true. I think the UK is a balanced, accepting society as a whole. However, infringing on someone's freedom of speech and thought is very 1984. As a woman it's also upsetting to be told you have to give up your spaces (which are there for safety reasons), language and identify. I hope things get better soon.
'What is the wise thing to do?' Defend yourself and your interests. Not doing so always ends up with worse outcomes. Consider that you may not appreciate the level and extent of the danger to you and those around you, and failing to defend yourself and your own interests may result in your death. You were meant to have learned that in your history lessons about the Nazis in Germany, and the result of the Bolshevik revolution in Russia, when you were in school. How many of you actually have?
If only people with letters before and after their names would read each others work and not spend their "productive"? hours in anti-social digital playgrounds, fighting zero sum games on artificial turf, then maybe our lives wouldn't look like this.
I wish more men explored the sensuality of feminine aesthetics without the pretense of being a woman. I find long hair, smooth skin and make up very beautiful with certain types of young men and I've long since given up the delusion that my attraction to this is heterosexual.
I think a man with long hair is often more masculine than one with short hair. Likewise, I think a woman with short hair is often more feminine than one with long hair. It all depends on the style of the person wearing it. In a way, it's more to do with personality and expressiveness than masculinity or femininity, but we 'read' these physical details as elements of gender because our sexuality gets in the way. What we are attracted to becomes what we see as aesthetically pleasing and hence what we 'read' as feminine or masuline depending on which of these we find more sexually appealing.
Why do you wish this? Men can be individual in anyway they desire. If more men wanted to do what you wish, they would. You might as well say "I wish more people watched Love Island", or "I wish more people found Ken Dodd side-splittingly hilarious". Why?
@@gillhughes6644Not what people said at the time, if you watch contemporaneous media. "These days you can't tell the boys from the girls". That's what I heard adults say quite a lot in the '70s.
I WAS there at the time. My partner looked like John Lennon in his long hair days. Of course people said you cant tell the difference, but there was not the confusion among the youth .@@douglasfreeman3229
Let's be fair concerning your assumptions regarding what Matt Walsh believes regarding the woman's role. I don't, and I have listened to many of his speeches. Otherwise, nice discussion regarding a current form of delusional thinking.
I think her point is, be aware that you may be burning bridges you really don’t want to burn (like with family members) or can’t _afford_ to burn, literally, such as a job. She’s just saying, _think_ a bit before shooting off your mouth and doing irreparable harm to an important relationship. Talk to a trusted friend before losing your job over a difference of opinion. Think about what you’re trying to achieve, and whether it’s worth destroying a friendship or job over.
"just 'think' through the SITUATIONS" my dears... This is the total difficulty in our fast-moving law-driven societies. 1977-79 OUP launch/pushed Jan Morris' book CONUNDRUM on his Life & Transition... Welsh Wales Whaling 😃😎🙉😛
My grandfather lost his right leg in ww2. As a child he often would ask me to scratch his false leg as it was itching. I found this strange but his brain acted as if he still had a leg . I transitioned and lived as a female for 7 years taking hormones. I was very reluctant to have surgery because of remembering my grandfather experience. However the gender reconition reform will help people who wish to live permanently in a chosen gender without having to mutilate their bodies just like some folk have done over the centuries if it was so important to them.
Yes, I get that. No-one should be mutilating themselves. But just saying you are a transgender woman does not get you into women only spaces if that is what you want. Women only spaces are for females. Transgender women, whether they change their physical appearance or not, are not female. They are still MALES.
Yeah so now fully intact men who claim to be women can have full access to women’s and girls sex segregated spaces with nothing more than a legal fiction. Disgustingly selfish. It’s not women and girls responsibility to provide sexual euphoria to these men and validate their ‘iDeNtiTy.’ We have REAL problems.
Matt Walsh did an amazing job at pointing out the need to protect children and I’m behind anyone who has their head screwed on with what protecting children means, he wasn’t listened to because of being an online personality but he’s demonstrating great leadership and inspiring people to go out and do it for themselves. Considering the risk in schools I definitely believe he will impact by giving parents the strength to stand up and speak out
Helen is a thinker. Matt is a doer. Helen is the public intellectual. Matt is the activist and campaigner. There is room, and purpose, for both. Both are valuable. We're moving to the stage now where I think Matt is actually more valuable in getting things done. The Helens have said all they have to say and we've listened. Now we need the pugillists- the Posie Parkers and Matt Walshes- to fight it out and get the message over to the general public, whose majority view will eventually swing the pendulum back Unfortunately it was always gonna end this way.
Matt is a "traditionalist Christian" promoting the "family unit is the bedrock of society" philosophy. This is going to rub some women up the wrong way (especially some feminists). I certainly can't go along with him. I'm with Germaine Greer on this one. His G.C. views are a Trojan horse for his religious beliefs.
Interestingly, although we often think of this subject in terms of scientific absolutism, the more I hear debate about it, the more I come to the conclusion that it is actually our trust in science that is to blame. When I was young and it was trendy to dismiss religion, I don't think any of us imagined that we would end up trying to use science to prove that a woman is a woman. Religion, on the other hand, had all the answers. I suppose it was our fault for being susceptible to progressivism, but we were only young and our parents had delegated responsibility for our upbringing to teachers. Just a thought :)
Not sure about the UK but in the US it is the religious fundamentalists who are singularly to blame for turning back the clock on abortion rights. They would reverse gay rights if they could. They are the ones currently denying contraception to customers in pharmacies due to their “religious convictions”.
@@ChefEarthenware they impose on anyone the law allows them to. Pharmacists can (and do) withhold birth control to complete strangers based solely on their religious convictions. There is no longer a guaranteed right to abortion in many states. There was a recent case of a woman in Texas forced to carry a dead fetus in her womb for weeks, endangering her life, because of these new anti-abortion measures. Brought by religious dogmatists not scientists.
dismissing religion isnt 'trendy'. religion isnt trendy anymore because it is a superstition. superstitions are not trendy anymore. belief in god is a self reported feeling that a magical being created the universe. religion is an ideology based in magical thinking that feeds on fear and ignorance. praying doesnt cure childhood cancer. god doesnt warn people about earthquakes or floods, or create vaccines for killer viruses. science does. medicine does. technology does. that is why religion isnt trendy anymore. it is just made up. just a thought :)
@@ginaritchie451 I agree that religious fundamentalism is a problem, regardless of the religion. However, it seems that the accusation of religion being „just a self reported feeling“ can easily be applied to the new trendy religion of trans ideology. The more extreme it gets, (sexualisation of kindergarten kids, sexual displays in the streets) the more extreme the opposite pole will get. The answer is live and let live. Keep your extremes to yourself - on both sides of the aisle - and life will be better. It’s when you start imposing your beliefs on others that we have problems. Trying to force non-believers to forgo contraception is exactly the same as trying to force non-believers to believe a man is a woman.
Are you in one of those "third world" countries where no one can leave comments on RUclips because they can't afford the Internet or a laptop or have you borrowed your connection from someone in the U.S.A?
I disagree interests are innate to the sexes they are socially imposed. Apart of course those that relate back to our biological bodies. Of course men are stronger so there are innate differences.
So you think society forces males to be into how mechanical things work? Males don't have an inherent interest in car engines? How many female car mechanics do you know?
I think we need to sort out our terms here. 1) Sex : There are two, male and female, with a small but real percentage of people who are born with chromosomal abnormalities. 2) Gender Identity : This is where "identifying" as a man or a woman comes in. No serious person is saying that if you identify as a woman but were born male, that this makes you magically biologically female. This is about feelings and perceptions, not biology. 3) Sexual preference : There are a whole gradient of these. Sometimes being an adolescent who is not sure about their sexual preference can lead to them being "mis-diagnosed" as having gender dysphoria. So, is Caitlin Jenner "really" a woman? I don't know and I don't care. It's none of my business. If she would like people to use she/her/hers pronouns, that is not "denying reality", it is just being polite. I also think it's none of the government's business to butt into personal medical decisions. I also don't think it's a good idea for children to be making irreversible changes to their bodies (including getting tattoos). But that is not my decision to make either unless we are talking about my kid. No actual trans woman is going to go through surgery and all of that just so that they can assault women in a ladies room. That is ridiculous fear mongering nonsense.
@@manymoonsahead Well, we are trying to simplify the language spaghetti and that add another tangle. Personality related to gender seems to me to be things like when I was a little girl I hated dolls, pink frilly stuff and wearing dresses but I turned out to be a straight and cis female. Conforming or not to societal gender roles.
@@anneburke3756 Seriously. Look up the crime stats. Guys don't dress up in drag in order to assault women in the changing room or bathroom. How often does that actually happen? I'm not saying it never has but the folks who are obsessed with other people's genitalia make it sound like it is aa rampant issue. Calm the F down.
@@robinbeers6689 Tell that to women who have been raped by trans women (men) put in their female prisons. You're naive if you think gender identity nonsense is anything other than a psyop to damage society. Transgenderism at its core is misogynistic. It's the erasure of women by men. It matters when that Bruce Jenner is ESPN's Woman of the Year when he isn't a woman. It matters that men are winning in women's sports. It matters that children are being given chemicals to stop puberty. Get a clue. Jesus.
The lady complicates something that really is very simple. We're not talking about mathematics, where it makes no sense to say a triangle is a quadrilateral (otherwise the whole concept of a triangle is meaningless). Rather what's important, is how the use of the word "woman" is usable in our society. And I think it's very simple. Perhaps 1 in 2000 of people born male cannot live in our society as males; they must identify as women, as a basic, fundamental need. So let's identify them as such; it's a matter of decency that does no harm to anyone else. Love and Peace.
@@SuzieQ-vt9zp And the truth is, not all women have XX chromosomes or ovaries. This is actually a very clear fact, that is well explained here... ruclips.net/video/5Zro0neuVeY/видео.html&pp=ygUXcmF0aW9uYWxpdHkgcnVsZXMgd29tYW4%3D
The harm is allowing MtF (men) to define what a woman is. The harm is allowing men to participate in women's sports, win the competition and in some cases even injure the women. The harm is allowing men into female prisons and domestic violence safe houses where they have r@ped women. Get a clue. There's nothing harmless about transgenderism.
If it turns out that there is a part of the brain that determines sex, that still isn't the whole being. Physical appearance, genitals and natural feminine or masculine behavior counts for a lot. This new kind of person would be just that- a new type of being.
Yes- Even if the trans cliche of "having a woman's brain, in a man's body" DID somehow(?!?) stop being 100% evidence-free, and was empirically proved true (insanely unlikely as that scenario is), that STILL would be fundamentally different to actually "being a woman"... Because being biologcally female (and all that entails- growing up with female anatomy, and the social experiences that female anatomy result in. As well as, in 99% of cases, menstruation, risk of pregnancy, if not actual pregnacy, and motherhood) is the most fundamental part of what "being a woman" describes. In the unlikely case that the "ladybrain" meme WAS found to not be complete fiction, that WOULD just require some new term, DIFFERENT from "woman"... Because (to state the insanely obvious) "ladybrain" or not, being biologcally male makes a person FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT from every single woman that ever existed... There is NO POSSIBLE future medical discovery that could EVER validate the 100% evidence-free religious mantra that "trans-women ARE women"... Because every human society ever has ALWAYS KNOWN that the thing being described by whatever word they used for "woman" was simple BIOLOGICAL SEX. The bizarre mental gymnastics required, to claim that "woman" describes a social role, or some as-yet-undetectable, speculated trait of brain anatomy are blatant post-hoc rationalizations, driven solely by ideology; These people have ALREADY decided, for whatever evidence-free ideological reason, that the (objective, evidence-based) men who self-ID (based on no evidence.. and not even A DEFINITION of what they're "identifying as") as "trans-women", ARE women (in whatever mystical, undefinable sense of the word)... And they are just using stuff like "social roles" and speculation about "brain anatomy", in the desperate hope of finding SOME way, to make the evidence lead back to to their pre-chosen "conclusion". Same logic as when devout religious believers try to find evidence for THEIR religion in real-world fields like science or history- It's an exercise that CAN ONLY be intellectually dishonest, and totally biased. Because (despite what the beliver assumes/hopes/believes) they aren't trying to find TRUTH- They're just trying to justify their pre-existing beliefs...
@@Tina06019 Charles Darwin was not an extremist. Extremism is an ideological or political phenomenon. Darwin was a scientist and as such, neither an ideologue or politician. I think you rather mean 'ahead of his time' or 'revolutionary'.
From small acorns mighty acorns grow, dear fellow. Do you think the one percent (to which you probably belong) will stay at one percent forever, given the nature of trajectories?
heh she married an english guy but is irish, so her accent became the mix x) anyway i love all the interviews she does, she always seems to bring something new to every interview she's in
@@johnkearney1853 You probably don't have as good an ear as her. The fact that you think her accent is English suggests this. Her accent is like an Anglicised Irish accent, but the Irishness is still there, at its core - she probably can't help but take on a bit of the accents she's surrounded by every day.
Helen Joyce is the voice of reason. Compassionate yet completely logical.
One of these days we might get to see the magnificent Helen Joyce on the BBC. Then, I will know we are finally getting somewhere.
Dream the dream!
Not going to happen. Too much woke pressure.
Never going to happen 😂
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The BBC will never change, therefore we need to get rid of the licence fee and force them to raise their own funding The BBC is not a superior broadcaster, it is a heavily biased organisation that deserves to be treated as a secondary or third class broadcaster. So why would Helen want to tarnish her name and reputation by joining the BBC.
Yes, Helen does seem to impart something different and equally important in each interview she gives and of course each interviewer also is responsible for bringing that information and those ideas forward. So kudos to you each. Thank you.
Helen Joyce is a hard line feminist who in the 90s was probably arguing against biological determinism, helping to create the very environment that created the transgender movement. And like so many of her ilk is now left arguing for biological determinism - reaping what they sowed. I find it hard to have sympathy for them. They thought they could role the rock of social and cultural change to where they wanted it exactly. It doesn't work like that it just keeps rolling.
@@charlesd4572 You have attacked her for an argument that she only made in your imagination.
@@HebaruSan so her arguing for trans women being not allowed into women's changing rooms is because they're biological men has nothing to do with biological determinism. She's all over the place. If she'd just admit she is arguing from an ideological position she wouldn't have that problem.
Yes, all her interviews are worth checking out.
What an inspiration.....crystal clear intelligence, pragmatic and compassionate focus.
Would love to see her as woman on the year instead of all these men!
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Everything we never see on the BBC, in other words.
Fantastic discussion. Joyce is one of the most lucid public intellectuals around these days. Isn't it sad that a person now needs courage to speak the obvious truth?
WHAT IS A WOMAN?
Better question:
WHO GAVE BIRTH TO EVERY PERSON...EVER?
Love Helen Joyce!
What a mind!
Just finished Helen's book and I can't recommend it highly enough. Great research, great analysis and great writing.
A voice of reason, and lucidity. How refreshing, uplifting, informative, inspiring, mind provoking, I have so many adjectives to describe Helen Joyce. 💜
Unfortunately, the trans lobby's refusal to discuss or debate indicates that they are playing a zero sum game.
Everyone interested in this topic absolutely needs to lend an ear to Helen Joyce and less to the Matt Walshs and Ben Shapiros who seem to be missing certain elements in their responses. I feel it will be women who finally figure out a way to solve this horrible crisis because that's who has always responded most effectively to situations like this throughout history. Thanks for having this discussion.
I agree. Walsh's stance comes from his "traditionalist" Christian views of the family unit being the bedrock of society. He does free-thinking women no favours. As far as I'm concerned his G.C. views are a bit of a Trojan horse, disguising his traditionalist religious agenda. It seems tainted to me.
@@douglasfreeman3229 I don't consider his views "tainted". He is religious in his views, and that's fine. His right.
He is quite right about tackling the "what is a woman" nonsense.
He is also correct about a healthy, traditional (heterosexual) family being the bedrock of civilization. It certainly is.
Have no idea why anyone wouldn't be able to see that.
Ben and Matt rock!
Helen is doing the work others are paid to do on this subject. Shame on all the cowards.
thank you. Helen, for highlighting that there are many feminisms and I agree that the "American liberal feminism" is misogynistic (and focused on career and the glass ceiling). It also ignores all the other ways of being feminist except in a hierarchical fashion, putting themselves at the top. I am getting your book. xxx .
I have it and it’s very good, when I read it I could hear Helen speaking the words in my mind 😀
Great conversation. Only tip: read out the questions so that one can enjoy this with audio only.
Anyone who is married knows that men & women are completely different....in EVERY way possible!!
Every way possible? Are you sure? And to how many men are you married? Are you sure your husband represents every man? We are not mindless robotic copies of each other. Some of us are individuals. Men and women.
Her clarity of thought is astounding - perhaps we should get more classically trained mathematicians to examine social issues for us.
and scientists. People trained to see the world objectively and to not validate people's self-report data and subjective reality or religious beliefs.
@@MarthaAnthonyI was tasked to create a shortlist for an award to be given to an outstanding early career scientist here in Oz. About half had ‘their pronouns’ in their bios. 😢
@@collyernicholasjohn It's sad. It's often well-intentioned by people but it sets us back.
Absolutely right.... it makes perfect sense to me that some of the most effective GC communicators are people like proper philosophers and mathematicians, because they can master the logic leaps and twists and turns of these tortured arguments to show where they end up in extremely unreasonable, absurd and contradictory outcomes.
I'm very happy to see people with mathematical minds, and proper philosophers like Kathleen Stock taking this on.
Honestly this is easily the best interview Helen Joyce has done so far.
So refreshing to hear a "terf" actually talk about middle ground solutions rather than name calling and shaming a group that mainly just wants to get on with life.
Can really tell she's really thought about a lot of what she says, I actually hope she tries to reach out to the other side and extreme on hers to engage with them and send them down a better path of solutions and agreements.
Yes, hope she can provide moderation to the extremes on 'her side'. But as for the 'other side', they don't seem keen. She managed to get Grace Lavery to agree to a debate, but it was cancelled.
The opposition won’t/can’t debate. Their position is completely incoherent.
Bought your book Helen. I’m only one chapter in but already I can say that “I stand with Darwin”.
This was just so great to hear …. We are thinking this but don’t know how to articulate
Thank you so much ♥️
Repeal the GRA
Further to my comment beginning "I have heard..." I have come to believe that the profound misogyny and envy, resentment, and hatred of the female ability to begin life in her body and give birth are the basis for trans ideology in males and hence in the desire to replace women in all spheres. It is not just the obviously disturbed males who are engaged in this project but every male billionaire funder, psychologist, psychologist, surgeon, journalist, politician, academic, etc. who is similarly motivated to replace women in law and language that are guilty of the horrific consequences being visited on vulnerable children of both sexes, but especially those who are female, and the attack on the rights of women and girls.
you are wrong because you are badly informed. transgender identity is nothing to do with envy at women for giving life. you can't make causes up.
Exactly right
Yes perfect.sadly.
What about all the supportive and outraged men, NOT the minority of trans men, who have daughters, girlfriends and wives, (which is the majority of men in the world) who are outraged by this and are all over the media fighting it and in full support? I guess you just ignore them, right?
What about all the women who are supporting trans? Powerful feminists, women like Megan Rapinoe (US womens soccer player with a huge public voice) who fight for pay equality for women in courts and SHE also supports trans.
So dont make this a sexism thing. Their are powerful women behind trans. Famous womens rights feminists have promoted the trans movement. Most men support women on this issue! Show some thanks for the support of the majority of men who fight alongside the majority of women on this issue... instead of ignoring the reality.
I have been thinking that too.
Why is this an agenda being pushed by millionaire/billionaire elites, and they speak of "transgender to transhumanism", which means they want to push playing God as much as possible, and impregnate men, and create babies outside of women's wombs? Along with genetic engineering too of course.
Yep, creating a new human life without the "need" for a woman would be the biggest slap against what God has created. Wouldn't it be?
If people don't "believe" in God, then why do they want to play God?
I think Helen's comment that a woman who doesn't show the stereotypical behaviours of a woman is not cast out is key here. The converse is not true - men who are not masculine do feel cast out of manhood, then look to being part of womanhood as a consolation prize or catch-all. These men should take it up with men in general about the conceptualisation of men, not impose on women to pretend that they are something they are not.
But feminism was dealing with reality - women are often often infantilised, dismissed and given lower status. Adult women ARE adult women, not girls. Professional women are usually referred to by their first name in situations where men are referred to by their title and surname. We shouldn't refer to police officers as policemen or a female doctor as a lady doctor etc. Language does matter. Feminism was about trying to get people to see objective reality and bias, trans ideology is about imposing a subjective falsehood and telling people it is reality. This false equivalency and the the schadenfreude around it is just misogyny and an excuse for people to not protect or care about women still.
I don’t think it is a minority right to try to make people feel comfortable with a claim identity.
I am a female who is 6ft tall lesbian and dress masculine I am mistaken for male 90% of the time I am in public, I learned to deal with it. There are no rules so far that has made that more comfortable. In fact if anything all this gender stuff has made my bathroom interactions worse. Because I used to be able to just say I’m a woman and it was left at that but now there is still doubt that I am a man claiming to be a woman. It’s a mess
Feel almost exactly where you are coming from with what your experience. I am a masculine presenting lesbian (not 6ft tall though).
It has become a nightmare, I even have men physically challenging me now when I need to use the public bathrooms. I have always avoided using them if I can, and I AM a woman.
I’m sorry you are experiencing that! It’s crazy how this identity ideology has actually just made things worse for actual naturally gender non conforming people.
Helen is just brilliant.
I think an important source of information that is overlooked comes from mothers, who, even when they try to raise their kids the same, see these sex differences early on. I thought that gender was a social construct til I had children and nephews and nieces of different sexes, and got to know their friends and classmates. I think too because the trans movement seems generally so mono-generational and removed from this, that these ideas can exist in this bubble, away from human reproduction, growth and development. Most women who are arguing against trans ideology are very informed about the importance of sex and differences between the sexes. We are raising humans.
Big thumbs up. You’re far too reasonable for RUclips! 😀
Straight off the bat Helen mentions "language hijacking". Excellent.
21:43 "... when you move away from positions - the statement trans women are women is a position as of course is trans women are men, they're both positions - drop the position and start thinking what are your interests ..."
My interest is in what constitutes a fact of reality, how we come to realise that and nature of the statements about a brute fact of reality. Thus the nature of sex categories, how we come to understand that sex is an empirical feature of reality. Thus my interest is in acknowledging that reality by stating that there is no such entity as a trans woman or trans man because woman and man are the adult human versions of two sex categories.
LGB is a totally different subject to TQI++++++++++? Why oh why are we all clumped together?
I agree and do intersex want to even be included?
We are in an age that works hard on instigating hypersensitivity to everything. This feeds into the sociopathic feeding frenzy on any narcisistic tenadancies expressed. It needs to stop before we melt into the swamp.
I have heard the same explanation as to why Stonewall went into the trans business that Helen just voiced, but I wonder if it's the entire story. Yes, money is assuredly implicated in this movement. On the other hand, the trans movement has shown us that there is profound confusion around sexuality in both males and females and for very different reasons in each. So, is the explanation as Helen sees it or is it that in the case of the heterosexual cross-dressing males that there is a desire to be affirmed as women because if we agree with the psychologists these men are in love with themselves in the image of a woman's body. They have been described as both masochistic and narcissistic. In the case of the effeminate gay males they may be driven to be seen as women because they do not wish to be seen as gay and wish to be affirmed as female thus psychologically placing them in a better position being a woman and then free to pursue relationships with their fellow males who may or may not be gay. In the case of lesbians, many of these women are also dissatisfied with being women for all the very real reasons women are thought to be inferior to men and have internalized and the reality that females are attacked on the basis of their sex and their biology by males in religion, in philosophy, and in every area of life: women must serve the sexual desires of men, hence prostitution and pornography. For some of these women it is better, as a result of this sorry state of our lives, to live as males. So, I am saying that the activists who believe as they do that trans is the answer brought about this crazy making state of affairs that has harmed the health and life-long welfare of vulnerable children (especially females) and that the movement is therefore homophobic (as many of the transitioners end up declaring their homosexuality) and profoundly misogynist in seeking to erase women and girls in law and in language.
the reasons for transitions are the same whether MTF or FTM. the idea that there can be 2, 3 or 4 entirely different reasons as you stated for transgender identity in different people for an identical condition, gender disphoria, is not possible when you overlook the most obvious and singular reason. that transgender people exist and have always existed.
what you have summarized is basically every flawed idea being amplified by conservative media over the last 6 months. the blanchard hypothesis you paraphrase, about trans women being in love with themselves, is unsupported, the social contagion theory from schrier is not supported, ROTG is unsupported, that lesbians are just confused about their gender is unsupported. the supposed danger that trans women pose to other women is unsupported...
the most supported science is that transitioning is the best treatment for a relatively small number of males and females for exactly the same reason. they are transgender. i can tell you have already decided what to believe but you have a lot of anti trans talking points which contradict each other or don't meet the standards to be called science.
i am a transgender woman and the only person i am in love with is my wife who happens to be a lesbian. neither of us are confused. listen to trans people. you will find that the characterisation of us as raving activists is also unsupported.
Men want to practice their fetish in public and women want to seem morally superior so they support it. It tracks with sex positivity. Whenever you give anyone with a fetish an inch they keep taking. Normal men want nothing to do with any of this. It’s women and fetishists who drive the situation.
Actually trans is a made up ideology. Most men who claim to be trans are gay or bisexual men who prefer to appear as women. They are gender benders. No one can actually change their sex; therefore there is no real transition.
@@ginaritchie451 your thinking is skewed by the insidious hideous mysoginy that is trans. You cannot be the opposite sex to the one you are born as a mutilating yourself still will not make you the opposite sex
@@nowwhat1434 your incorrect in many ways. A significant % of men in particular are bisexual and are attracted to either other males and transwomen. Transwomen who still have a functional Penis.
Trans people have been around since day 1 along with gay and lesbian.
Thank you! This was very helpful. I am haflway through the book. I listen to an interview here and there, as a break from reading. ✌️
Scap the use if Pronouns,go back to using the old language, transvestite or transsexuals.Then we don't say things like ,she can't use our changing rooms.We are women not egg havers or walking wombs.Otherwise there will continue to be a conflict of rights.
Helen Joyce is amazing
I love Helen but I disagree with her advice. I have had nearly 20 years as a union rep. And staying quiet about injustice just perpetuates the injustice.
Standing up for justice has really done wonders for me! Being told I'm right, yet never any consequences for offenders and no change in culture.
Some people are not in a position to stand up-but I agree that those who are spoiled certainly not stay silent
Those who are *should * not stay silent
@@guyskillen Have no idea why you write that. There have been some small successes. Life is no rose garden.
Next time please read the questions out loud. I am blind and I have to try to infer the question from the answer. That's not optimal.
Excellent conversation, well worth listening to. Good work guys (no offence intended if you don't like being described as 'guys').
You might not intend any offence in addressing women (as well as men) as "guys", but as a woman I hate it... A throwback to the days when "he" stood for "she" (but was still read as "he" while "she" disappeared), the human species was routinely referred to as Man, and Mrs John Smith was the correct way to address a letter to a woman.
@@gabrielmills2361 Obviously you are welcome to your opinion on the matter but a quick check online suggests you are in the minority. There are many informal terms like this which are used for groups of people which come and go with fashion and vary by culture.
@@jrd33 You say "no offence intended" but you are aware of and don't mind causing that offence. It's irrelevant that I may be in a minority of women who dislike being addressed as men. Fashions in use of language doesn't make them acceptable.
@@gabrielmills2361 You are entirely free to take offence at anything I say. I would rather not cause offence, but that is only one factor among many which influences what I say. In casual conversation, I accept that I will sometimes cause offence and that doesn't bother me too much. I sometimes say things I regret, in which case I will apologize and/or clarify. Humans aren't perfect and casual conversation isn't expected to be flawless.
To be fair to Matt Walsh, I’ve never hear Matt Walsh say anything that even implied that women shouldn’t be able to “live full and complete lives…out in the world.” That’s an important distinction to make. I think that he clearly thinks that MOST women would actually be happier with motherhood as the path that they pursue and the primary role that they adopt in their lives, that women who do this are, on the whole, far happier than women who make career development and accomplishments their focus, whether primarily or to the exclusion of motherhood and marriage. There is pretty solid research that has consistently supported this belief, and I actually don’t imagine that Helen Joyce would take issue with that view. I truly haven’t heard Matt Walsh suggest that this justifies allowing barriers of any kind to keep women out of positions and prevent them from pursuing careers and career goals, but instead that the culture shouldn’t discourage women from pursuing marriage and motherhood as regressive and for the purpose of keeping women subjugated. He doesn’t believe that feminism is the worst thing that has happened to humanity because of the ways in which it enabled women to pursue endeavors of their choice; he believes that because he believes that it has made women far less happy by insisting that the things that actually make most women happy are not worth pursuing, demonizing them as regressive and oppressive.
Not all women want the same things. Many women do not want children. My mother was one of them. I am another.
Absolutely. I enjoy listening to Helen but I believe she was mistaken in her characterisation of Matt Walsh.
Interesting interview but disagree with Helen’s point about talking to your kids about this ideology & not getting into an argument - example : if my daughter had a male friend who self ids as a female, he’s welcome in my home but he’s still not sleeping in her bedroom overnight!
But its a lie to validate that delusion you are harming that boy
Yes, it is not kind to validate mentally ill thoughts especially those that may lead to lifelong consequences, sterilization, mutilation etc
She literally said she would draw the line at allowing the boy to sleep with her daughter.
Hope Helen is bringing a defamation case against that 'Professor'.
I love Helen! In the future, might you leave the questions up a second or two longer? I couldn't read them and had to keep going backwards. Thanks!
"If you want to be accepted as a woman when you are visibly a man, you must control everybody else's language.... If that's the only way to get what you want, then you must be quite authoritarian on language". Privileging language over material reality is what I think people respond to more than the person themself and why there's such a backlash.
So true. I think the UK is a balanced, accepting society as a whole. However, infringing on someone's freedom of speech and thought is very 1984. As a woman it's also upsetting to be told you have to give up your spaces (which are there for safety reasons), language and identify. I hope things get better soon.
'What is the wise thing to do?' Defend yourself and your interests. Not doing so always ends up with worse outcomes.
Consider that you may not appreciate the level and extent of the danger to you and those around you, and failing to defend yourself and your own interests may result in your death.
You were meant to have learned that in your history lessons about the Nazis in Germany, and the result of the Bolshevik revolution in Russia, when you were in school. How many of you actually have?
Keep up the good work. And if saying this gets me flagged for "Hate Speech," by Woke types, go for broke.
Women and men have different interests. Look at Sweden best example on stats. Jordan Peterson explains this very well
If only people with letters before and after their names would read each others work and not spend their "productive"? hours in anti-social digital playgrounds, fighting zero sum games on artificial turf, then maybe our lives wouldn't look like this.
I love Helen so much xox
Where does the vilification of manhood (see toxic masculinity and female-first biases for the sake of so-called equality) fit into the discussion?
Can I ask why is this in a playlist about black metal guitar
How much pushback did you get from member of the FSU to have this talk?
Love this woman
28:10 free speech, material reality vs. discourse
I wish more men explored the sensuality of feminine aesthetics without the pretense of being a woman. I find long hair, smooth skin and make up very beautiful with certain types of young men and I've long since given up the delusion that my attraction to this is heterosexual.
Yes, think Marc Bolan. Many men were like this in the 70s. Flamboyant, beautiful long hair and lashes, make up. No doubt that they were men.
I think a man with long hair is often more masculine than one with short hair.
Likewise, I think a woman with short hair is often more feminine than one with long hair.
It all depends on the style of the person wearing it. In a way, it's more to do with personality and expressiveness than masculinity or femininity, but we 'read' these physical details as elements of gender because our sexuality gets in the way. What we are attracted to becomes what we see as aesthetically pleasing and hence what we 'read' as feminine or masuline depending on which of these we find more sexually appealing.
Why do you wish this? Men can be individual in anyway they desire. If more men wanted to do what you wish, they would. You might as well say "I wish more people watched Love Island", or "I wish more people found Ken Dodd side-splittingly hilarious". Why?
@@gillhughes6644Not what people said at the time, if you watch contemporaneous media. "These days you can't tell the boys from the girls". That's what I heard adults say quite a lot in the '70s.
I WAS there at the time. My partner looked like John Lennon in his long hair days. Of course people said you cant tell the difference, but there was not the confusion among the youth .@@douglasfreeman3229
Let's be fair concerning your assumptions regarding what Matt Walsh believes regarding the woman's role.
I don't, and I have listened to many of his speeches.
Otherwise, nice discussion regarding a current form of delusional thinking.
I disagree that you can’t, or shouldn’t, be able to say what you think, or refuse to put pronouns!
I think her point is, be aware that you may be burning bridges you really don’t want to burn (like with family members) or can’t _afford_ to burn, literally, such as a job.
She’s just saying, _think_ a bit before shooting off your mouth and doing irreparable harm to an important relationship. Talk to a trusted friend before losing your job over a difference of opinion. Think about what you’re trying to achieve, and whether it’s worth destroying a friendship or job over.
"just 'think' through the SITUATIONS"
my dears... This is the total difficulty in our fast-moving law-driven societies.
1977-79 OUP launch/pushed Jan Morris' book CONUNDRUM on his Life & Transition... Welsh Wales Whaling 😃😎🙉😛
Why the fuck is this in a black metal guitar playlist
18:51 just want to put that here.
Read Julian Henley's book, "Identity Politics: A Brief Guide".
My grandfather lost his right leg in ww2. As a child he often would ask me to scratch his false leg as it was itching. I found this strange but his brain acted as if he still had a leg .
I transitioned and lived as a female for 7 years taking hormones. I was very reluctant to have surgery because of remembering my grandfather experience.
However the gender reconition reform will help people who wish to live permanently in a chosen gender without having to mutilate their bodies just like some folk have done over the centuries if it was so important to them.
Yes, I get that. No-one should be mutilating themselves. But just saying you are a transgender woman does not get you into women only spaces if that is what you want. Women only spaces are for females. Transgender women, whether they change their physical appearance or not, are not female. They are still MALES.
Yeah so now fully intact men who claim to be women can have full access to women’s and girls sex segregated spaces with nothing more than a legal fiction. Disgustingly selfish. It’s not women and girls responsibility to provide sexual euphoria to these men and validate their ‘iDeNtiTy.’ We have REAL problems.
You're a man. Estrogen, wearing dresses and pretending you're a woman will not change that.
I don't understand the title of the book she mentions at 21:00. Does anyone know what the title of that book is?
The book is called ‘Getting to Yes’.
@@sharonmanning6824 Thank you very much.
@@frangabar My pleasure. 😊
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Matt Walsh is very irritating. He clearly won’t change anyone’s mind because he is unkind and very retrogressive.
I think you're wrong. He tries to be provocative but that's his schtick. Otherwise we speaks truths.
Matt Walsh did an amazing job at pointing out the need to protect children and I’m behind anyone who has their head screwed on with what protecting children means, he wasn’t listened to because of being an online personality but he’s demonstrating great leadership and inspiring people to go out and do it for themselves. Considering the risk in schools I definitely believe he will impact by giving parents the strength to stand up and speak out
Helen is a thinker. Matt is a doer.
Helen is the public intellectual. Matt is the activist and campaigner.
There is room, and purpose, for both. Both are valuable.
We're moving to the stage now where I think Matt is actually more valuable in getting things done. The Helens have said all they have to say and we've listened. Now we need the pugillists- the Posie Parkers and Matt Walshes- to fight it out and get the message over to the general public, whose majority view will eventually swing the pendulum back
Unfortunately it was always gonna end this way.
Matt is a "traditionalist Christian" promoting the "family unit is the bedrock of society" philosophy. This is going to rub some women up the wrong way (especially some feminists). I certainly can't go along with him. I'm with Germaine Greer on this one. His G.C. views are a Trojan horse for his religious beliefs.
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Interestingly, although we often think of this subject in terms of scientific absolutism, the more I hear debate about it, the more I come to the conclusion that it is actually our trust in science that is to blame.
When I was young and it was trendy to dismiss religion, I don't think any of us imagined that we would end up trying to use science to prove that a woman is a woman. Religion, on the other hand, had all the answers.
I suppose it was our fault for being susceptible to progressivism, but we were only young and our parents had delegated responsibility for our upbringing to teachers. Just a thought :)
Not sure about the UK but in the US it is the religious fundamentalists who are singularly to blame for turning back the clock on abortion rights. They would reverse gay rights if they could. They are the ones currently denying contraception to customers in pharmacies due to their “religious convictions”.
@@pewmanfoibles7557 Do they do so only in their own communities or do they try to impose their views on others?
@@ChefEarthenware they impose on anyone the law allows them to. Pharmacists can (and do) withhold birth control to complete strangers based solely on their religious convictions. There is no longer a guaranteed right to abortion in many states. There was a recent case of a woman in Texas forced to carry a dead fetus in her womb for weeks, endangering her life, because of these new anti-abortion measures. Brought by religious dogmatists not scientists.
dismissing religion isnt 'trendy'. religion isnt trendy anymore because it is a superstition. superstitions are not trendy anymore. belief in god is a self reported feeling that a magical being created the universe. religion is an ideology based in magical thinking that feeds on fear and ignorance. praying doesnt cure childhood cancer. god doesnt warn people about earthquakes or floods, or create vaccines for killer viruses. science does. medicine does. technology does. that is why religion isnt trendy anymore. it is just made up. just a thought :)
@@ginaritchie451 I agree that religious fundamentalism is a problem, regardless of the religion.
However, it seems that the accusation of religion being „just a self reported feeling“ can easily be applied to the new trendy religion of trans ideology. The more extreme it gets, (sexualisation of kindergarten kids, sexual displays in the streets) the more extreme the opposite pole will get. The answer is live and let live. Keep your extremes to yourself - on both sides of the aisle - and life will be better. It’s when you start imposing your beliefs on others that we have problems.
Trying to force non-believers to forgo contraception is exactly the same as trying to force non-believers to believe a man is a woman.
I think you don't characterize Matt Walsh correctly and choose to misrepresent his opinions. He might be less worldly than you but that's ok..
Matt has gotten lots of attention off the study and thought of women without mentioning any of them …
yet he produced a piece of work that point out the issue and a turning point in the debate, regardless his worthiness.
What a mess you have gotten yourselves into over there in the so-called First World!
Are you in one of those "third world" countries where no one can leave comments on RUclips because they can't afford the Internet or a laptop or have you borrowed your connection from someone in the U.S.A?
The “joke” is actually about two Jews walking down the street.
Felt quite bad for the interviewer at the start after Helen correct her on the introduction
Why? The interviewer hadn't done her research properly.
I think y'all over estimate how good the microphones on your laptops are. Please speak up or get a separate microphone
AGREE!
Alice Dreger would put you all to shame.
I disagree interests are innate to the sexes they are socially imposed. Apart of course those that relate back to our biological bodies. Of course men are stronger so there are innate differences.
So you think society forces males to be into how mechanical things work? Males don't have an inherent interest in car engines? How many female car mechanics do you know?
I think we need to sort out our terms here.
1) Sex : There are two, male and female, with a small but real percentage of people who are born with chromosomal abnormalities.
2) Gender Identity : This is where "identifying" as a man or a woman comes in. No serious person is saying that if you identify as a woman but were born male, that this makes you magically biologically female. This is about feelings and perceptions, not biology.
3) Sexual preference : There are a whole gradient of these. Sometimes being an adolescent who is not sure about their sexual preference can lead to them being "mis-diagnosed" as having gender dysphoria.
So, is Caitlin Jenner "really" a woman? I don't know and I don't care. It's none of my business. If she would like people to use she/her/hers pronouns, that is not "denying reality", it is just being polite.
I also think it's none of the government's business to butt into personal medical decisions. I also don't think it's a good idea for children to be making irreversible changes to their bodies (including getting tattoos). But that is not my decision to make either unless we are talking about my kid.
No actual trans woman is going to go through surgery and all of that just so that they can assault women in a ladies room. That is ridiculous fear mongering nonsense.
Gender identity is really gender personality.
@@manymoonsahead Well, we are trying to simplify the language spaghetti and that add another tangle. Personality related to gender seems to me to be things like when I was a little girl I hated dolls, pink frilly stuff and wearing dresses but I turned out to be a straight and cis female. Conforming or not to societal gender roles.
How will a woman know that the man in a dress in the change room has had surgery?
@@anneburke3756 Seriously. Look up the crime stats. Guys don't dress up in drag in order to assault women in the changing room or bathroom. How often does that actually happen? I'm not saying it never has but the folks who are obsessed with other people's genitalia make it sound like it is aa rampant issue. Calm the F down.
@@robinbeers6689 Tell that to women who have been raped by trans women (men) put in their female prisons.
You're naive if you think gender identity nonsense is anything other than a psyop to damage society. Transgenderism at its core is misogynistic. It's the erasure of women by men. It matters when that Bruce Jenner is ESPN's Woman of the Year when he isn't a woman. It matters that men are winning in women's sports. It matters that children are being given chemicals to stop puberty. Get a clue. Jesus.
The lady complicates something that really is very simple. We're not talking about mathematics, where it makes no sense to say a triangle is a quadrilateral (otherwise the whole concept of a triangle is meaningless). Rather what's important, is how the use of the word "woman" is usable in our society. And I think it's very simple. Perhaps 1 in 2000 of people born male cannot live in our society as males; they must identify as women, as a basic, fundamental need. So let's identify them as such; it's a matter of decency that does no harm to anyone else. Love and Peace.
Men are not allowed to colonize womanhood
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Truth matters more than feelings
@@SuzieQ-vt9zp And the truth is, not all women have XX chromosomes or ovaries. This is actually a very clear fact, that is well explained here...
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The harm is allowing MtF (men) to define what a woman is. The harm is allowing men to participate in women's sports, win the competition and in some cases even injure the women.
The harm is allowing men into female prisons and domestic violence safe houses where they have r@ped women.
Get a clue. There's nothing harmless about transgenderism.
ideology i was 4 i felt like a girl
If it turns out that there is a part of the brain that determines sex, that still isn't the whole being. Physical appearance, genitals and natural feminine or masculine behavior counts for a lot. This new kind of person would be just that- a new type of being.
You cannot be other than you are born as that is a fact
Yes- Even if the trans cliche of "having a woman's brain, in a man's body" DID somehow(?!?) stop being 100% evidence-free, and was empirically proved true (insanely unlikely as that scenario is), that STILL would be fundamentally different to actually "being a woman"... Because being biologcally female (and all that entails- growing up with female anatomy, and the social experiences that female anatomy result in. As well as, in 99% of cases, menstruation, risk of pregnancy, if not actual pregnacy, and motherhood) is the most fundamental part of what "being a woman" describes.
In the unlikely case that the "ladybrain" meme WAS found to not be complete fiction, that WOULD just require some new term, DIFFERENT from "woman"... Because (to state the insanely obvious) "ladybrain" or not, being biologcally male makes a person FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT from every single woman that ever existed...
There is NO POSSIBLE future medical discovery that could EVER validate the 100% evidence-free religious mantra that "trans-women ARE women"... Because every human society ever has ALWAYS KNOWN that the thing being described by whatever word they used for "woman" was simple BIOLOGICAL SEX.
The bizarre mental gymnastics required, to claim that "woman" describes a social role, or some as-yet-undetectable, speculated trait of brain anatomy are blatant post-hoc rationalizations, driven solely by ideology; These people have ALREADY decided, for whatever evidence-free ideological reason, that the (objective, evidence-based) men who self-ID (based on no evidence.. and not even A DEFINITION of what they're "identifying as") as "trans-women", ARE women (in whatever mystical, undefinable sense of the word)... And they are just using stuff like "social roles" and speculation about "brain anatomy", in the desperate hope of finding SOME way, to make the evidence lead back to to their pre-chosen "conclusion".
Same logic as when devout religious believers try to find evidence for THEIR religion in real-world fields like science or history- It's an exercise that CAN ONLY be intellectually dishonest, and totally biased. Because (despite what the beliver assumes/hopes/believes) they aren't trying to find TRUTH- They're just trying to justify their pre-existing beliefs...
God , Helen is such an extremist : She needs to be kept off the BBC...😭
By the same reasoning you would say that Charles Darwin was an extremist!!!!!!
@@moraymac2922 I think Kim is joking.
(Charles Darwin was an extremist for his time.)
@@Tina06019 Charles Darwin was not an extremist.
Extremism is an ideological or political phenomenon.
Darwin was a scientist and as such, neither an ideologue or politician.
I think you rather mean 'ahead of his time' or 'revolutionary'.
It’s less than 1% of the population.Get a grip.
Then why is that less than 1% decimating women's rights and invading and destroying women's single sex spaces?!
From small acorns mighty acorns grow, dear fellow. Do you think the one percent (to which you probably belong) will stay at one percent forever, given the nature of trajectories?
Agree with the articulate Helen Joyce here. Only thing I’m suspect on is her faux English accent 😆🤷♂️
heh she married an english guy but is irish, so her accent became the mix x) anyway i love all the interviews she does, she always seems to bring something new to every interview she's in
@@LightSpell28 I married an english lady but the same thing didn’t happen 😆Anyhow, she’s an important voice in the debate, however it sounds 😊👍
@@johnkearney1853 She lives and works in England, doesn’t she? It’s not weird for your accent to change in some ways depending on where you live.
Yeah, happened to me. I love her accent which changes when she's with the Irish women. Natural.
@@johnkearney1853 You probably don't have as good an ear as her. The fact that you think her accent is English suggests this. Her accent is like an Anglicised Irish accent, but the Irishness is still there, at its core - she probably can't help but take on a bit of the accents she's surrounded by every day.
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