Mate, i could watch this type of driving all day. Especially with the 1980's cars. I find it way better than todays cars and racing. It was way more raw back then
Turbo wound all the way up tho, as Fred Gibson himself would say it was also the cause of the mechanical failure and never the fj. Was also known to run 100 octane kero mix. That sound tho is absolute gold, and the old-school tv mics don’t do it justice. Will never forget his ‘97’ win what a legend
@@davidewhite69 T3 for a 2litre at the time was big, considering the rb30t turbo commodore had similar. The sierras driven by Johnson had a t4 "70kw to 353kw - 100nm to 658nm" was hard to drive in race conditions either on or off he once stated.
When Glenn passed the BMW over the top of Skyline my heart skipped a beat, back in 1987 and watching this video again 35 years later. For a race that has been going for 60 years, and full of memorable moments, this has to be one of the most memorable and Mike Raymond's brilliant commentary adds so much to it, he is the gold standard commentator in Australian motorsport.
Mike Raymond was a jibbering, babbling twit.* Few people were as enthusiastic as he, about Strayan touring car racing - but _many_ people were better commentators. Evan Green, for example, was _orders of magnitude_ more knowledgeable, skilled and informative. * Sandy Roberts was even worse though. Truly, he was the Troy McClure of Australian news and sports broadcasting. Nice speech - utterly vapid speaker.
I’m sorry but amongst rally, F1 or any top level of Motorsport, that is the finest car control & skill you’ll ever see. I just don’t know how there was room in the car for Glenn & his 2 MASSIVE BALLS.
Nissan team mate John Bowe later described the DR30 as 'the most evil handling race car' he had ever driven, he added 'it was always trying to kill me" so with that you can appreciate Seton's incredible skill handling this car in the wet!
This is what modern-day V8 Supercars lacks - spectacle. Multi class, real endurance issues, traffic and none of the endless safety-car interventions when someone is stuck but clearly off the racing line. Today's racing is marred by safety car deployment the moment literally anything happens and there is no longer any endurance aspect to the cars - they never break down now. It's a procession of follow the leader. Bathurst has been reduced to a 1000 km sprint. Remember the skills on display when drivers had to navigate through traffic? It's gone, alone with so much else that made racing so good.
Been whining about this for years as well cobber , why don’t they put the development series and Porsche cup into the same race . 70 + cars in three categories would spice it up a bit .
@RtB68 100% I couldn't have said it any better myself. Now V8 supercars are over controlled and over regulated, in my opinion. Tactics are controlled in the pits by someone on a computer. Previously, the teams chose brake pads and tyres, the teams gambled how kind drivers would be on brakes ,tyres ,fuel consumption, etc. Personality I was at Bathurst & Sandown from the '70's till 2000's many times today. I wouldn't cross the road to watch V8 supercars.
Too right that didn't half look like a handful! Funny how many of us think we can drive, nah! These guys can drive. Well done Glenn, hang on to her mate.
I recall, after this drive Nissan Motorsport offered him a test drive/development contract for the Group C car in Japan/Europe and he turned it down!!!! Why he ever left Nissan I cannot understand. It was all up for Nissan after the DR30 (which everyone forgets only lost the '87 ATCC to the M3 by a couple of points). Had Seton stayed at Nissan, Mark Skaife may still be driving Nissan Gazelles in the minor series....
I remember, when watching this in 1987, that Glenn was lapping fastest than the Sierras, everybody else in fact. It still sends a shiver down my spine when I see it.
Man, Bradley was blisteringly quick in the OzEmail Falcon days at Bathurst, I was certain he’d win one. I was a massive Bradley fan, such a nice guy, and really open as well. I remember seeing him at Oran Park and talking to him about traction control, noting some Fords, maybe from QLD had a strange note onto the main straight, where as some Holdens, tended to flame out a lot and get going a lot quicker, and he said yes, there’s 2 different types of TC being used, we suspect, we don’t use it because the Ford variant doesn’t work as well.
@@markf3229 it’s a lot different now. It used to be a true endurance race, you nursed tyres, engines, coaxed the car along, babied it to make it last the distance, now it’s a series of sprint races, the only limiting factor is tyres and fuel.
And if you think driving a well sorted, but still very evil to drive Nissan Skyline RS DR30 in the wet was tough, spare a thought for those in Sierra's. Seton was trying to put about 350 bhp to the ground ... guys like Steve Soper had a car that went from a 150 bhp 4 cyl to a 500 bhp fire breathing monster in the flick of a switch. Sierra power was difficult enough (until 1992 in Australia) to handle in the dry, let alone the wet. From 1987-1991, the Sierra teams like Eggenberger, Rouse and Johnson all went the power route. The more power, the better, but it made them more fragile, though reliability was a lot better than you'd think. From 1992 in Australia's last year of Group A, CAMS imposed a 7500 RPM limit on the Sierra's and Commodore's. For the Sierra runners this forced them to tune the engines more for torque than power. And what they found was that the cars were easier to drive ... and actually faster than before. It seemed the true trick with the Sierra RS500 was to tune it for torque and not just outright power.
IMO Glenn Seton was the best Aussie driver never to win Bathurst (and IMO there have been one or two or more who ... got lucky to ever win). The best international never to win the 1000 was Klaus Niedzwiedz. Plenty of course have won the 12 Hour.
I think triple world champion Jack Brabham and world champion Alan Jones could lay claim to be the best Aussie drivers never to win Bathurst ahead of Glenn.
@@byteoncomputerservices8054 I think I’m wrong actually, I watched it on a bigger screen and I saw a better view of it and I was incorrect with the reading I thought I saw. It changes dependant on speed and throttle position so it might be a fuel burn gauge so he can drive to a figure for economy, but I’m not convinced now it’s a boost gauge.
I wonder if the current series (V8Supercars) could do with dialing everything back to it's roots. Though advanced for their time, these 👆☝ vehicles were still quite simple and terribly flawed, which worked! Similar for the early years of V8SC. I'm pondering if the current stuff (and to me GT3, NASCAR) is maybe too engineered, too aero dependent/reliant/sensitive. AND too big. Physically. Would being more stringent towards a GT4 level (80% road car : 20% race car) vehicle improve things...
Mate, i could watch this type of driving all day. Especially with the 1980's cars. I find it way better than todays cars and racing. It was way more raw back then
Sensational car control from Seton! Seriously impressive! No wings, no downforce just skinny slicks and a big turbo to keep things spicy!
The DR30 was homologated with a Garrett AiResearch T-3 single turbo, not considered 'big' anywhere
Turbo wound all the way up tho, as Fred Gibson himself would say it was also the cause of the mechanical failure and never the fj. Was also known to run 100 octane kero mix. That sound tho is absolute gold, and the old-school tv mics don’t do it justice. Will never forget his ‘97’ win what a legend
@@davidewhite69 T3 for a 2litre at the time was big, considering the rb30t turbo commodore had similar. The sierras driven by Johnson had a t4 "70kw to 353kw - 100nm to 658nm" was hard to drive in race conditions either on or off he once stated.
Possibly the best Australian touring car driver to not win Bathurst. He was a champion and a lovely guy to go with it
100%! Although he still plays a good role in motorsport today with car setups and helping his son Aaron with his motorsport career.
Yeah could not have said that better, would loved to have seen him win, although he did get one in the touring car masters 🙂
If only he didn't run outa fuel in "95" nope I stand corrected apparently it was valve springs lol
The only thing wrong with your comment is the word possibly.
Too right mate👍
When Glenn passed the BMW over the top of Skyline my heart skipped a beat, back in 1987 and watching this video again 35 years later.
For a race that has been going for 60 years, and full of memorable moments, this has to be one of the most memorable and Mike Raymond's brilliant commentary adds so much to it, he is the gold standard commentator in Australian motorsport.
Mike Raymond was a jibbering, babbling twit.* Few people were as enthusiastic as he, about Strayan touring car racing - but _many_ people were better commentators. Evan Green, for example, was _orders of magnitude_ more knowledgeable, skilled and informative.
* Sandy Roberts was even worse though. Truly, he was the Troy McClure of Australian news and sports broadcasting. Nice speech - utterly vapid speaker.
I’m sorry but amongst rally, F1 or any top level of Motorsport, that is the finest car control & skill you’ll ever see. I just don’t know how there was room in the car for Glenn & his 2 MASSIVE BALLS.
Love Glenn, had the pleasure of getting to know him and Aaron abit over the years. Great racer, even better bloke !!
Nissan team mate John Bowe later described the DR30 as 'the most evil handling race car' he had ever driven, he added 'it was always trying to kill me" so with that you can appreciate Seton's incredible skill handling this car in the wet!
I think Seton just knew how to drive the car better.
This is what modern-day V8 Supercars lacks - spectacle. Multi class, real endurance issues, traffic and none of the endless safety-car interventions when someone is stuck but clearly off the racing line. Today's racing is marred by safety car deployment the moment literally anything happens and there is no longer any endurance aspect to the cars - they never break down now. It's a procession of follow the leader. Bathurst has been reduced to a 1000 km sprint. Remember the skills on display when drivers had to navigate through traffic? It's gone, alone with so much else that made racing so good.
💯 mate, you said what I was thinking
Been whining about this for years as well cobber , why don’t they put the development series and Porsche cup into the same race . 70 + cars in three categories would spice it up a bit .
@RtB68 100% I couldn't have said it any better myself. Now V8 supercars are over controlled and over regulated, in my opinion. Tactics are controlled in the pits by someone on a computer. Previously, the teams chose brake pads and tyres, the teams gambled how kind drivers would be on brakes ,tyres ,fuel consumption, etc. Personality I was at Bathurst & Sandown from the '70's till 2000's many times today. I wouldn't cross the road to watch V8 supercars.
Love it. Bring back the real touring cars.
💯💯💯💯
That was awesome car control. Absolutely first class.
Too right that didn't half look like a handful!
Funny how many of us think we can drive, nah!
These guys can drive.
Well done Glenn, hang on to her mate.
So true
I recall, after this drive Nissan Motorsport offered him a test drive/development contract for the Group C car in Japan/Europe and he turned it down!!!!
Why he ever left Nissan I cannot understand. It was all up for Nissan after the DR30 (which everyone forgets only lost the '87 ATCC to the M3 by a couple of points).
Had Seton stayed at Nissan, Mark Skaife may still be driving Nissan Gazelles in the minor series....
This is such a good point. Skaife really only got the second car/seat to Richards in the R32 because Seaton had moved on.
I can never watch this without firing up Deja Vu on my music player.
I remember, when watching this in 1987, that Glenn was lapping fastest than the Sierras, everybody else in fact. It still sends a shiver down my spine when I see it.
I was on the mountain that year of 1987 gezz it was cold
Sure looked like it mate!
Me too. It was so cold and wet and windy I couldn't work out if I was holding my dick or a beer
No need for an esky to keep the beer cold!
It's a crime Seton never won Bathurst. Seton, Larkim and Brad Jones all deserved one. Seton most of all!!!
Man, Bradley was blisteringly quick in the OzEmail Falcon days at Bathurst, I was certain he’d win one. I was a massive Bradley fan, such a nice guy, and really open as well. I remember seeing him at Oran Park and talking to him about traction control, noting some Fords, maybe from QLD had a strange note onto the main straight, where as some Holdens, tended to flame out a lot and get going a lot quicker, and he said yes, there’s 2 different types of TC being used, we suspect, we don’t use it because the Ford variant doesn’t work as well.
A lot of luck plays the part in most of the wins at Bathurst.
Either good or bad.
Im not discounting the drivers skill who make their own luck
@@markf3229 it’s a lot different now. It used to be a true endurance race, you nursed tyres, engines, coaxed the car along, babied it to make it last the distance, now it’s a series of sprint races, the only limiting factor is tyres and fuel.
Absolutely car control glen
Seton was channeling his inner Senna.
Seton was a crowd favourite & a great driver. Imagine going from 100hp to 640 hp in a split second in the wet on slicks... big balls required 😂
The day Glenn Seton passed Fangio 👊
Needed to get to the best bit , when he aquaplaned on Conrod at some silly speed . Glen had balls of Steel
Did he aquaplane though? Looks like he got slightly airborne and lost some ground friction along with some extra joule transfer from the drive end....
An amazing piece of car handling craftsmanship
I had the pleasure to meet Glem in '88 and he was just a generally nice guy, and a great driver.
man i wish this race was on youtube in full
I have the full race in dvd
It came out several years ago
You might be able to search for it online
That's amazing driving.
Here's to the boys that didn't win.....
Karting certainly does teach you how to drive in the wet
And if you think driving a well sorted, but still very evil to drive Nissan Skyline RS DR30 in the wet was tough, spare a thought for those in Sierra's. Seton was trying to put about 350 bhp to the ground ... guys like Steve Soper had a car that went from a 150 bhp 4 cyl to a 500 bhp fire breathing monster in the flick of a switch. Sierra power was difficult enough (until 1992 in Australia) to handle in the dry, let alone the wet.
From 1987-1991, the Sierra teams like Eggenberger, Rouse and Johnson all went the power route. The more power, the better, but it made them more fragile, though reliability was a lot better than you'd think. From 1992 in Australia's last year of Group A, CAMS imposed a 7500 RPM limit on the Sierra's and Commodore's. For the Sierra runners this forced them to tune the engines more for torque than power. And what they found was that the cars were easier to drive ... and actually faster than before. It seemed the true trick with the Sierra RS500 was to tune it for torque and not just outright power.
At about 3:04 .
Skills n nerve on display there ! 😯👍
IMO Glenn Seton was the best Aussie driver never to win Bathurst (and IMO there have been one or two or more who ... got lucky to ever win).
The best international never to win the 1000 was Klaus Niedzwiedz. Plenty of course have won the 12 Hour.
I think triple world champion Jack Brabham and world champion Alan Jones could lay claim to be the best Aussie drivers never to win Bathurst ahead of Glenn.
4:32 got too excited
FJ20 turbo ?
What's being displayed on the digital clock near the heater controls? It's definitely not displaying the time, but it's being used for something...
I saw readings between 15 - 17, increasing with car speed so I would say it’s turbo boost pressure.
@@thesausage351 that'd have to be the worlds first digital boost gauge? A great way to repurpose the clock.
@@byteoncomputerservices8054 I think I’m wrong actually, I watched it on a bigger screen and I saw a better view of it and I was incorrect with the reading I thought I saw. It changes dependant on speed and throttle position so it might be a fuel burn gauge so he can drive to a figure for economy, but I’m not convinced now it’s a boost gauge.
r31?
That’s crazy
dr30? go wow
Wow impressive, preferred Glenn in a Ford though
Soper would be fine, nothing he hasn’t seen at Knockhill!
It looks like the power steering is set too high.
Ballz like pineapples
I remember when Seaton called the NISSAN Skyline Race Cars, 'TAXI CABS'. Wot a dickhead.
I wonder if the current series (V8Supercars) could do with dialing everything back to it's roots.
Though advanced for their time, these 👆☝ vehicles were still quite simple and terribly flawed, which worked! Similar for the early years of V8SC.
I'm pondering if the current stuff (and to me GT3, NASCAR) is maybe too engineered, too aero dependent/reliant/sensitive. AND too big. Physically.
Would being more stringent towards a GT4 level (80% road car : 20% race car) vehicle improve things...
W@NKER
3:07 🤮
great driver but one of the ugliest touring cars ever - right up there with the volvo brick
Right on both counts
The model that replaced the skyline he drove I This clip was better looking