Just remember that each group has expectations from you, if you screw up a clear party several times in the first mechanic is natural that everyone gets mad at you.
This may not help every new raider, but something that helps me learn/study before going into a fight is shadowing a clear video on a training dummy. I put a clear video on one monitor and then play on the other. As DSR was my first ultimate figuring out timing of my scholar mits was very daunting. Watching a clear video and "playing along" on a practice dummy helped me learn where/when/how to throw things to best aid my group! Its something I always recommend no matter the role because there will always be some downtime that will change cooldown timing, rotational planning, mit planning, etc. I wish all new players the best on their raiding journey
that's such a great idea!!! i'll definitely have to try that next time i'm on a new job for a fight or just want to learn how better players use their skills!! thank u!
I had one guy flame me in one of the Heavensward final dungeons as I was still learning the mechanics but doing my best to stay alive... He was the one dying back to back but I was the "problem". He ended up rage quitting leaving me and our tank and healer alone in a 3 man. Thankfully I took the time to talk to the two that stayed to get tips on the boss and we ended up 3 manning it with ease on the first attempt cause I felt super confident in my NIN playstyle and just focused on dodging mechanics since I had gotten the timing down already. I definitely felt the love after that as we sent each other friend requests even though we were on different servers.
As someone who is about to clear his first ultimate, that being uwu (almost at annihilation, odds are high it'll happen today) I can confidently say, even before watching the video I wanna add: Just watch a guide or two, focus on your specific Role (Tank, Healer, Melee, Ranged) take some very simple notes, or even just key words, and go for it in PF. You'll not see those players again very likely and getting progess yourself/seeing the fight is worth it, even if just for 3 pulls Edit: I cleared I have become an Ultimate Legend. I am still nervous and mess up at Ultima with a lot of Mechs but my point still stands. Just do it guys. Watch guides, hop into pf and prog. Just, don't lie too much or get lost in overconfidence like most and go into a Jails Prog party when you can't even do Ifrit dashes
Sorry for necro, but I'm in similar situation (but on titan prog) and your comment helped me to gain motivation to move forward. I love the fight itself (uwu), but sometiems people in PF can be... and it's just difficult, well it's PF so yea. I'm happy you get your Legend! It's my dream goal in 14, hope I can manage it (currently dying to gaols and finding a party it's like half of the problem haha).
PF and people lying about their prog point is the biggest problem really. The fight itself is not difficult and since my comment I cleared it like 20~ times casually like it's just an extreme but yeah. First time doing and ultimate is always rocky
overall i think this is good advice but i have a few things 1. I don't think it was discussed about there being PF data centers so it is absolutely crucial to be on the right DC to PF. I'm not sure how EU works but for NA it will be impossible to pf outside of Aether. 2. It's widely accepted to stop your dps rotation (for tanks and healers too) when a mechanic is getting the best of you. The pressure to be so good at your class that you can do it with your brain off even during stuff the first time you see it is not real. 3. I think it's important to discuss when to decline a static. Newer players should not be trying to jump thru hoops for statics. Just find one that's accepting of people newer to raiding, and for reference that should be all of them who aren't looking to fast prog everything. Referencing the first point made, it ain't that deep its actually really easy and almost all mistakes savage related mistakes a newer player makes to raiding is usually corrected in under one lock out and now theyre set for life. 4. Don't adjust your irl schedule for a static. It's not worth it and adds extra stress to your life and you will feel extra pressure during raid. 5. Towards the end of the video it sorta turned into more of a video on how run a static and while useful, is kind of more information overload on someone just looking to join one. Highly recommend not trying to run a static to get into raiding there is a steep learning curve with people and it can cause you additional unhelpful and unneeded stress!
I'm genuinely hoping they "fix" this issue of "you must go to Aether (or Light) to raid." Having everyone pile onto one data center for raiding is destroying the purpose of having separate data centers in the first place, which is to spread the number of instances in use out and not overload the instance server. With everyone piling onto Aether, we're just making it laggier for EVERYONE including people who aren't even raiding. Remember Raubhan Ex when StB first came out? That was the case of the instance server literally running out of instances available. Everyone piling onto Aether for the purpose of PF raiding is doing the exact same thing - and at some point during DT we're going to hit the instance cap if everyone is trying to prog the first Savage tier at the same time. I realized how ridiculous it had gotten when, after my semi-static hopped over to Aether to fill out our PF with 3 more people once, we realized that we'd picked up 3 more people FROM PRIMAL who had also all hopped to Aether. We could have just stayed on Lamia! One simple tweak to fix this would be forcing the person who initiates the instance to be a "native" to the DC. So you have a valid reason to hop DCs (joining a static based in that DC) and you're not simply hopping DCs because that's what everyone collectively decided that we have to do.
Point 4 is for me the reason I don't do statics anymore. Everyone starts their raid when I just finished cooking dinner for my fam and start eating. I have no idea when people eat at all or if they just eat so early that its basically 2nd lunch lol.
@@recaplrg3552 I think it depends on how your own life is structured. Making room for a static is a lot more feasible for someone living on their own with a flexible job schedule, for instance, than for someone with a family and a 9 to 5.
I dunno how common this is across DCs and Worlds, but when I go into PF looking for people clearing old content I often see the same faces a lot. It's fun to run into familiar names as you go through clearing fights even if I'm not very chatty - specially if those people are clearly trying to perform well and not being salty and weird. My experiences trying current content in PF haven't been as great, but clearing the backlog has been a great time!
I think that a lot of people forget that having good soft skills (building good relationships, general positive attitude) can be a massive boost to your ability to clear content. I love seeing familiar faces in pf and made some really good friends that way!
@@hurri-db Yep, absolutely! As much as negativity can quickly ruin the vibe of a group, being friendly and helpful definitely pays off in equal amounts. Nothing more satisfying than helping a mechanic finally "click" for someone and seeing how they never mess up on it again after struggling for many pulls.
Whenever I start to psych myself out for being the slowest one to pick up on a mechanic I tell myself over and over “the most important thing is being a pleasant person who shows up on time every week” and that helps me get through until I stop messing it up, because impostor syndrome is a bitch :|
funnily enough Alphinaud in Trust/Support is coded to always heal Alisaie first if she's in party, even if your HP is at 1 and hers is at 98%. so basically he's the equivalent of a healer whose focus target is on the tank and doesn't pay attention to anyone else
regarding call outs: We're one of the semi-statics (4-5 for people that fill out with PF players as needed) that invite folks to voice chat, and what we've found is having a custom funny mechanic that is descriptive is often more helpful than the in game mechanic name. An example in P10S - the mechanic is "towers." But there are two types of towers, the ones that are immediately followed up by a Circle or Holy (in or out) AND have the mini donut or AOE around each tower afterward. We nicknamed these "Matrix Towers" - as in, you must peer into the matrix, to describe the cascade of events and split second decisions that occur afterward. Then there's the pinball section with normal and cursed pattern. These too are towers, but since they're followed by the pinball BS, we nicknamed that one "BS towers." - Every PF pick up has immediately grasped this combination of funny description + clarification of the mechanic, and taken it over for them. We've also stolen the phrase "tank business" from GG to describe tank buster + tank swap mechanics, because it neatly sums up that it's only a mechanic for the tanks and the rest of the raid team can focus on DPS and healers can worry about healing. (P10S tank towers became "tank yeets" because.... once again, descriptive + funny and everyone immediately knows what it is.) Anyway, we're proud of our bingo square on your PF bingo cards. Hope y'all have fun playing with us too 😁
Spite is one hell of a drug it’s gotten me through pf p3s (my first raid series as a healer) when I was ready to quit. I’m not now a triple legend! DSR was my first to be cleared I was so proud of myself and I could finally see I improved as a player. I’m now working on TOP!
@@crowdemon_archives Best of luck my guy! Know some random on the internet that also plays ff is rooting for you x’D I should also probably look for a static but hey pf never fails to surprise! I’ll either get a clear or laugh/cry trying.
I just want to shout out Light PF Savage as some of the most fun I've had in any video game. Made tons of friends just from helping explain and clear up confusion around certain mechanics. The only static groups I play in are ones doing old synced/min ilvl content because those fights tend to be very hard to fill PF groups for, in my experience.
honestly I just watched this video as a seasoned raider just for the analytics and because I think that your content is great and something I would be proud to show new players.
Wonderful video! As someone who never expected to raid ever, was suddenly dragged into my first raid (P1S) with only 5 hours warning ahead of time I am now addicted to high-end raiding. I'm working on my first UWU clear now and having a blast! (Annihilation prog!) Something I do for sprout friends too is we try (as an FC) to fill a group of people we know and run content with them so that if they are trying on a new job or hotbar layout or want to learn the class, we can take it slow, pause and discuss/answer questions. We also will communicate when we are trying a bigger pull or if the sprout is missing something or etc so that they get used to the ebb and flow of the average run of any given content. I think, for a future video, what might be a fun topic to cover is maybe a video or series of videos of how to play more efficiently for supports-- tips and tricks for when and what kinds of mit to use (tank), healing skill priority and learning how to choose what heals when (healers). A lot of new players I see either make the mistake of using not enough or WAY too much irt both of these sets of skills and I think teaching that spamming Medica II when your party is only missing 10% of their health would be super helpful to those learning haha.
I started doing Savage and Ultimates at the beginning of Endwalker. I was a Shadowbringers baby who loves playing DRK and was too stubborn to do anything else. But I decided to try taking the plunge into the hard content and boy did I learn so much! It took my group 8 weeks to clear the first tier, but we slowly improved and cleared the second tier in 4. And the third was dead in 3. In that time I slowly learned how to play DRK much more proficient and to be more active as well as learn to play other jobs! I’ve also become a quad legend as of now, penta very soon once I clear UCOB. My lack of ability was obvious when I first started but now looking back at how I was then to how I am now I can see the improvement! My advice to anyone wanting to start is you CAN do it 100% as long as you have the want to learn and improve! If I can do it, then anyone can!
Just started playing on Xbox. I accidentally readied on the duty finder for an Ultimate not realizing what was about to happen. Let’s just say, after wiping 4 times I chickened out of the duty and just logged out with no explanation, feeling massively out of my depth. I’ve not even attempted another since purely out of fear of disappointing someone else. Your video just popped up on my feed so just gave it a watch. And you have confirmed my confirmation bias. This level of content (look’s for me to be) is far too much effort for my level of skill at the moment after playing for just 3 weeks, but at least I now have some perspective on the task in general. Thanks.
Are you sure that was an Ultimate? I'm pretty sure nobody queues for these via DF (idk if you actually can), and after 3 weeks you would have to be very fast (or buy skip) + having cleared the respective savage - I assume you queued for an extreme, and for that - don't be too afraid, the people you were probably queued up with were also people who don't know that it's content you usually do via Party Finder and Mentors, who should be exactly there to help and teach (some are meh, but ignore those) =)
@@katrinkpunkt you know, it maybe was an Extreme I’m probably mistaken. And yeah I’ve been pretty intense with it since it released on Xbox beta at the end of February (I didn’t get it the middle of March). I’ve put in about 240 odd hours and I’m at level 80 on my main job now and almost finished Stormblood.
Thank you for nodding towards the disabled crowd! I wept clearing uwu for the first time, as someone who plays with their feet, and am excited for the future. Hoping fru might be the stepping stone between tea and dsr, but if not, do you think jumping to dsr from current tier savage/uwu to dsr would be alright?
UWU to DSR is a fairly big leap, but current tier to DSR isn't unreasonable. You should be able to acclimate to it either way if your party is patient and communicative. The biggest way DSR and TOP differ from other raids is that they have a higher order of randomization for mechanics with few role-based ones, so everyone needs to memorize multiple permutations and be able to play their job at the same time. But since you mentioned TEA: if you can get past BJCC with any consistency, you can absolutely do anything in DSR. Just expect it to be harder on your endurance.
Holy crap if you can complete uwu with your FEET I have no excuse to not clear the current tier. That sounds like a cake walk compared to what you did 😭 I have more motivation now as a newbie. Thank you!
@@anastachios Hehe, it's not something that any gamer wants to have to think about, but it was surprisingly fun to get used to the controls. But equally as frustrating finding hurdles in games limited controller support... But in regards to this tier, our static blasted through it at our fastest rate to date. It's definitely a fun one, I recommend it! 💛
As someone's who's first foray into high end content was Asphodelos, and just recently achieved pentalegend, I wish I had this guide starting out. The learning curve for even getting your foot in the door is honestly the hardest part, and you've managed to brilliantly summarize every single step and give some top tier advice along the way. I'm going to be sending this to everyone who tells me they want to try raiding for the rest of time.
I have horrid raid anxiety. It was alright in savage but in the last phase of uwu i was in tears, afraid id mess up. I love raiding but its a lot for people with anxiety. Just the other month i cleared tea, calm collected and I had so much fun! Now Im tanking dsr as my first tank content, its fun, rewarding and really fucking scary. But the positives are overwhelming the negatives. If ure at a similar spot as I am, it can get better! But please always keep in mind your health and take breaks if u need them 🩷
I wish I had this video 2.5 years ago when I started raiding (yet not sure I would have appreciated it as much at the time). Literally most of the advice you gave I found out the hard way XD. Found myself nodding all the way through. Still learned some new things though. I think one of the biggest things I learned in the process is how important it is to be at a similar skill level, mentality and motivation as your raid team. Without this balance between players there are varying expectations, people getting frustrated when others can't keep up and having to drag some individuals across the line. For me, I started raiding with my FC and we were all fresh so at the start it was good. However, as we progressed, different players got better faster, and some reached their ceiling sooner than others. For some this ceiling was P4S, where I had to replace half the raid team mostly because they had lost motivation and morale. With the new team we pushed into DSR after that, and boy did that fight teach me so much about the game. When we started it, I didn't realize how much we still had to learn.... and once again it revealed to us who had hit their ceiling and who were still getting better. 6months went by, morale was low, we'd seen DKT once and then regressed since then... same people wiping the same way every session. I ended up clearing in PF and while I tried to get the group over the line after that, it just didn't work out. Regression has to be the most depressing thing to go through in a raid group. I had to end it there and go my own path. I still raid with some of them to this day but I now have a deep understand how important it is to be on the same page as your team in skill, motivation and expectations... oh and availability also, it really sucks wanting to raid more if you're in a group that can't raid more. It's not their fault but you need to find what works for you.
i study the tutorial video multiple times. when i think i understand the strat, i look for a clear video, stop the vod when a mechanic is starting, think for myself, what would i do, and then continue the video and see if i'm right. works great so far. everything after p9s limit cut i learned without ever practice it and got my clear on the 2nd try
"For trials, dont pressure yourself too much [...], prepare like its a job interview" I dont know what kind of job interviews you do, but usually its one of the most stressful things for me in life xD
i have watched and rewatched this video a couple times now, and it's genuinely been the push i've needed to make the step to higher end content. i've been doing ex trials for a couple months now, thanks to a great group i met in party finder at 5am who were learning one of the endwalker extremes, and just recently made the jump to progging anabaseios savage. i've been wanting to do ultimates for a while, ESPECIALLY dragonsong's reprise because heavensward is my favourite expansion, and like. i don't know the whole 'it's not as hard as it seems, and you don't need to be afraid of it' has resonated with me so much. i decided that i'm going to start progging uwu in party finder this week, with the aim to have it cleared by dawntrail. thank you for the push.
I just got my first ultimate clear a few Days ago and cleared again yesterday! If you have any curiosity about ultimates JUST DO IT! Especially now between expansions. There are several people looking to get clears before DT and a lot of people who want to help people clear, as well. don’t be afraid to use PF, ask questions and put in the time and effort. It never hurts to try.
Thank you so much for this! It's one thing to think "just get stuck in", but definitely another to know where to get stuck in, and what level of expectation comes with each level of difficulty.
As a recent Returner who never got around to finishing ARR originally, I'm beyond grateful for content like this. Your videos are getting me hyped to catch up and get active in current content. Thank you for giving back to the community like this
This is a fantastic video! I have many friends I've tried to get into harder content, but they find it too intimidating. Thanks for helping put words to expectations that usually go unsaid ^^
Loved this, "don't get 1 guy-d" it sums up my raiding career, from that 1 guy to being SCH #14 in EU in p12s. Don't give up, it's worth it. Awesome vid as always Rinon ♥
This video is awesome! Never raided in FFXIV before, in fact I'm still in Stormblood on the MSQ, but I'm planning on going ahead and dipping my toes into raid content soon via minimum ilvl extremes and savages from expacs I currently have access to, and I hope to eventually tackle an ultimate. There's so much useful information here!
Used to WF raid in Wildstar, and have hardcore raided in WoW since WotLK. This is by far one of the best videos I have ever watched on not just *how* to get started raiding, but the mentality when doing so. I returned to the hobby for WoW's last expansion and had a pretty poor experience because of the biggest issue you mentioned here - a disconnect between what others in the group were looking for and what I was. Its *okay* to shop around and to say no to the first option that presents itself. There is no shortage of groups, but there *is* a fear that comes with putting yourself out there. Make your time valuable and invest in finding the right group for you.
I've been raiding for over a year and this is still SO helpful. The whole section on expectations and commitment is something I've had to learn the hard way. 😅
bit late, but i've recently found myself scared to go into extremes in pf due to a fear I can't perform anymore, think this all comes down to me knowing I'm not as good at the game as I was when I cleared harder content back in shadowbringers, going to try following your advice and just do it and just throw myself into the new extremes to get back into it, mostly because I really want to clear another ultimate. thanks for the video, hopefully it's the push i need.
sometimes, it feels like the playerbase sets the bar the same way entry level jobs require years of industry experience to apply, the skill paradox: to get into something for the first time, you must already have experience doing the thing you are getting into for the first time
This is way more rampant in WoW. Feels like getting a job in that game (and has for years). Maybe I've been lucky but I've gotten into a few groups pretty easily. Also partly having a decent reputation. I get asked sometimes to do things by others, which introduces me to new people. It's a who you know kind of deal sometimes as well.
That "must have experience to join" mostly just applies to statics, and you can definitely get raiding experience before joining a static. You can join any PF as long as you've unlocked the duty, meet the minimum gear level requirement (if they have one), and will fit into one of the job/role slots. Sure, if you don't know the basics of your job or haven't read/watched any guides up to your prog point, the party will be annoyed with you, but you don't need to have raided before to get a decent raid experience. The key is just doing your homework before going into the fight. People are generally polite about giving feedback as long as you're asking good questions and genuinely trying to learn. You do get the occasional asshole in PF, but FFXIV's raiding scene is fairly good-natured overall, and it's miles less toxic than WoW from what I've heard. In all of my UWU prog and clear parties, I've only met one actual flaming asshole who overreacted to people's mistakes. Everyone else was pretty reasonable, neutral, or straight up friendly and encouraging, even to people who needed more help on mechanics than others. So it's not really that exclusive in the PF scene.
Thanks for making this! I just got to the end of EW and want to dip my toes into raiding before DT comes out and I was at a complete loss where to start. This helps!
My thing has been to pull endgame newbies from my FC and IRL friends into reclears and do "serious-lite" style raid nights to break that initial barriers into Savage and get them to experience the content/pacing without the pressure of having to perform for strangers and it's been super fun, even got a few people interested in joining me for future prog in Dawntrail! I'm gonna save this vid to send to new people to help me set expectations for them
I'm new to the game and currently a level 52 dragoon. Honestly the scariest thing to me is seeing all the keys I'm going to have to assign for my job. The combos are the most threatening thing to me. The min maxing essentially.
So when Eden's Verse was still relevant content and we were in the middle of lockdown, I did throw caution to the wind and actually attempt a Savage tier. It was a lot of fun, and despite being nervous, I went through to clear E5, 6, and 7S (not 8 because that was a hell of itself). This eventually lead to me attempting to clear an Ultimate (UCoB) which I still haven't not done, but do yearn to do one day, even if it isn't that one. The biggest enemy I just have to deal with is time.
I have fell in love with raiding over the Endwalker expansion. It really just takes a bit of effort to get over that initial fear of pf but I’m so glad I pushed myself to jump in!!
I feel very seen as a 100% casual game , who was a 100% casual gamer all her life, and had a bad encounter with another WHM who was unbelievably mean to me (while I was asked to help her raiding party, being given 30 minutes to learn E9S - while having no Savage experience). That encounter led me to start to raid out of sheer spite, and my spite fueled me to clear every single Savage fight on content since E9s. and become a Triple Legend (currently at P6 in DSR). I would like to attest to the sheer power of spite.
Criterion mentioned but Moko the Restless not shown ): Otherwise, banger vid! 100% agree with the prog mentality you talked about, hopefully it's something that other people pick up!
Just wanted you to know that this video was the reason i decided to really push for it last weekends and now i have cleared p9s and p10s respectively, probably some of the most fun i have ever had in this game so thank you. My friends are planning to drag me through p12s(skipping p11s cause they said its boring lol) next and finally an ultimate so i look forward to that.
Still got a lot of video to go, so hopefully it'll change my mind, but rather than being scared, my personal hangups are tied to my adhd and to my inability to parse out complex placements/movements and react in a split second. General savage and extremes have never been overly difficult for me, but it's the ultimates I want to get into. Back when variant dungeons came out I attempted the hard version, and despite my every attempt, looking at every guide I could get my hands on, attempting to draw out the possible permutations and quiz myself on them during lulls at work, I just could. not. figure. out. The second big attack Silkie does. It refused to click and I never once was able to solve where I needed to run and what direction I needed to face in the couple seconds I needed to act. So hearing that the ultimates involve ever more randomly assigned, complicated, solve in a second mechanics has made me feel that I'll never be able to clear them. As for my other hangups, my brain tends to become obsessed with things in three day chunks. So I'll be pumped to try to study to attempt uwu, maybe try to squeeze in a starter prog from pf (with no luck because I play during NA's deadest hours), and by about then my brain loses interest and cringes away from thoughts of touching the game. So I take a break, and by the time I come back months later all my knowledge has faded away and I'm back at the start. This has happened like three times already, and I'm afraid it'll never get better. I'm sure this was frustrating to read and sounds like excuses, well it's just as frustrating to live it, I promise you. Gonna keep watching now!
This has been really helpful! I and some friends started on xbox beta back in late february and have caught up with most content up to ew aside from the latest shb and ew extremes and savages and we've all been looking to get into raids and probably start with uwu here soon.
Well, that certainly explained all of what goes into it, but yeah, I think it's around the "Preparation" phase that I had to acknowledge my limits, and my eyes kinda glazed over at "Efficient Progression" when the charts came out. Don't even get me started on how distracting and intimidating so many markers placed at once was throughout the whole thing, lol. Alas, Extreme/Savage/Ultimate/etc will remain content beyond what I'm personally capable of doing outside of unsyncing it once I've over leveled/geared it, which does also mean having to accept that there's stuff I'll never get to do because it'll never reach a point where I can outpace it, same with a lot of content in this game actually, which is why I never understood anyone who complains that the game is "too easy" when a lot of it is effectively walled off to so many because they'll never be good enough to beat it (myself included).
I started playing during 2.2 and I remember having a lot of fun trying to clear Ultima's Ballad (though I wasn't successful) using party finder. Then HW came out, Bismarck, I don't know what the issue was, but getting the tank swap during the snakes was REALLY tough for me. Eventually, got to try Thordan EX and that's when I gave up on trying to clear EXs during the same expansion, only with Echo during future expacs... Plus I just really struggle remembering fights with a lot of mechanics. For whatever reason I could handle Normal Exdeath no problem during Omega, but other fights my brain just... forgets.
We all have strengths and weaknesses! For me, I suck when it comes to long term memory mechanics because my brain just throws them out if I don't put in a real high level of effort
I'm not saying I couldn't clear this content. I know that given time I could. It's just a really massive undertaking and a massive time dump that I just don't bother wasting my time and others'. I still get massive enjoyment out of the game regardless, which is why 14 is such a great game. It gives every type of player a chance to progress.
Hello penta legend here, i was blessed to have friends that helped me get into ultimate raiding but when i did UWU for the first time i just realised that it is a long extreme or savage fight from a far it looks intimidating but when you look up a guide and break it down it is only extreme mechanics that happens at the same time so don’t overthink the fight and get ahead of your self just learn what you encounter first and then look what to do next later it will help with the anxiety of failing (and trust you WILL fail so don’t over work you self everyone will eventually fail) so try to have fun doing it Edit: don’t get fooled by tea raiders the fight is hella ez if you managed to do the first limit cut
The main things I would recommend are to: Watch a guide on the raid you want to do before you do it. It helps a lot to know what you're going to be facing before you actually do it. Let people know you're new to the raid before it starts. If you haven't done the raid before, you'll get an intro cinematic playing for you before the raid can start for anyone. I use this time to type a quick message to my alliance saying that I haven't done the raid before and people have actually given me tips on what to do for the boss fights! Lastly just take the plunge and dive in! I know it's scary and nerve-wracking. I'm a White Mage sprout myself who's never healed in an mmo ever, so I know how scary it can be. But after you clear the raid the first time, it gets much easier to do it over and over again. Will you always be perfect? No. But neither is everyone else and both of you will mess up at one stage or another. But that's how we learn and get better at this!
I initially was fearful of raiding in FF14 because I had a terrible experience raiding in Guild Wars 2. So I was fearful of fucking up and getting flamed or kicked for it. I also just have severe Anxiety so trying something new I had no experience with terrified me. Thankful the FF14 community was far more welcoming and I also got into it initially with my FC through Extreme Trials before I delved into Savage in Abyssos with a longtime friend of mine from Guild Wars 2 that I’d gotten into FF14. We raid together all the time (even to this day) which helped ease my Anxiety a bit since I’d be playing with someone I knew. Now I’m comfortable with raiding in Savage and debating trying out Ultimate with a group of friends I made through helping them clear P12S
The fight that made me in love with EXs was Titania and Hades (I did it during 5.5). My bad experience was a clear party of Diamond Weapon that I was berated for not watching a guide. (I never watched for the fights before and pretty much learned them blind)
I started on AST with P9 and got completely dragged in the mud by people complaining about my healing. So I switched to RDM and developed a fairly consistent confidence on EX and P9S-12S. Did TEA on RDM as well and it worked out fairly well... all within a year's time span (yeah, I get that I'm a bit slow, oh well). Then I went back to AST on Criterion and P12S. Now I'm trying my hand at TEA with AST. Going into DT, the goal is to prog the next savage on AST and off role on RDM/BLM. The next Ultimate is also the goal for RDM most likely. It's taken some time but raiding feels a lot less stressful now. I even ran P12S without markers with a group of peeps and it's been a ton of fun to relearn by being extra mindful of movement without relying on markers.
A lot of it for me is during HW I had a very bad time with a static, very toxic static. It soured a lot of it for me. I’ve also got several disabilities and really bad social anxiety even with playing friends. I can do extreme, and I’ve progged some of the Endwalker tier when it was current. So I’m capable. It’s just sometimes my anxiety really cripples me.
Pf heroes! It can be done ✅ I promise. I Made heavy strides since shadowbringers. Eden’s verse I cleared 1st and 2nd fights in pf. Eden’s promise I cleared first three fights before 5.45 delubrum and finished the tier later with echo. Asphodelos I completed in 7 weeks. Abyssos 5 weeks. Anabesios 3 weeks.
I'm not scared of raiding, I actually think I'm overconfident on the topic, but when I finally did Elid WOL for the first time today, I thought it was incredible, and when we wiped someone brought up "wheres the LB3" "We need tank LB" not only is this the first time I've heard a role specific LB being mandatory, but also that was the first wipe where I finally wasn't confused on whether I was the one who caused a wipe, and I'm glad that I caused the wipe, because now I know how to do that trial now.
Patience > High Skill. If you can keep your cool over extended periods of time and always do your best you'll eventually beat pretty much anything in the game as long as you have a basic level of skill in your job/role.
My top 1# reason is the randoms. I've done some Savage raiding and like out of 10 of them I got 4 where there were total dicks people in the party, one of they literally bullied me to leaving cause I missed the last mec in P9S (obs: it was a prog pf). I know there are lots of very kind people in PFs and most are 'normal', but these toxic few make me never want to do it again.
Yeah I've totally had those experiences too, I'm really sorry that happened to you. Unfortunately with random players there will always be a mixed bag; even if 90% of interactions are positive you'll occasionally run into someone that's miserable to be around. If you enjoyed the raiding aside from the people, it might be worth trying to make or join a group to experience it in a comfy environment
21:15 This really hit the spot for me. I managed to clear both asphodelos and abyssos, but the latter raid tier really left a foul taste in my mouth. I had to stop following ffxivdiscussion on Reddit cause they valued your ”skill” in how fast you could clear. Hated it. I felt so nervous about fucking up… I think seeing each learning moment as a win is a way better mindset. That same mindset made me enjoy fighting games for example. Great video Rinon, you gave me the motivation to attempt p12s again :)
13:16 THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS!!! I'm a Stormblood transplant and the way I actually figured this out as a healer required me and my husband as a tank. We would que and he would just go!.. he would purposly tank as the worst ever and I had to cover his ass in every situation. It was the best learning how to do this. We eventually started proging and have cleared so much together.
Hey Rin awesome video again, did you ever think of doing a video about like the nuances of raiding (maybe you have already). Things like snapshotting AOE's, Being able to abuse gaze mechanics by looking as soon as the cast bar goes off, even things like protean spots and how they work. Awesome work again, keep it up!
Your video resonated a lot with some of my experiences with extremes savage. Coming from another MMO where I had "an okay" performance as a DPS, I thought raiding FF I was gonna have a similar experience and boy, how wrong I was 🤣. First fight I did was Barbariccia Ex. To this day, I definitely do not recommend anyone to start with that. Terrible fight to start because of the pace on how things keep being dropped on you lol. Then I went to Abyssos with a static that, despite knowing clearly I had no previous experience with savage content, they were on another level in terms of expectations. Two weeks in we've got P5S and P6S cleared and progging P7S but I was clearly the "weak link" DPS performance wise and I started getting called out for that. Shame and panic kicked in, I insta-left the static and gave up that tier entirely 🤣 Learning from that, I tried again on Anabaseios with a different group, one whose expectations were more chill. I still struggled (I have some issues when it comes to performing rotations fully on automatic mode and dealing with mechanics at the same time. I can spend hours on dummy, for weeks and months and still I can't get turn off my brain for the rotation part. It's always juggling between pressing right buttons at the right time and deal with mechanics). But at least I was comfortable enough to get to P12S. Eventually the group disbanded because we started losing people and it became harder and harder to replace them and I didn't get to see second fase, but at least I got some experience to make some better decisions for next tier. (Even if this decision is to give up on savage entirely lol 🤣) Thanks for the video, many of the tips and suggestions you gave are things I tried and indeed helped me get better to the point of at least getting to see part of the last fight of the tier!
Hey Rinon, Sushi Roll here. Thanks a lot for the shoutout for xivrecruit and thepfstrat websites! Tootsie was really stoked to hear you recommended and linked them! Looking forward to Dawntrail. :)
after 2k hours of ff14 i finally went into current ex trials and raids (for the first time unsynced) and i actually found so nice people i play with regularely now. all the fear for nothing!
My current issue is that I deeply want to do at least savage. But I have had nothing but bad experiences with savage and I am also committed to raiding in WoW as well and so I would need to find a static that doesn't conflict with that and then at that point pretty much my entire week is raiding
Since i view most dungeons and raids as puzzles... I REALLLY don't like watching or reading guides, i want to do things blind, and find out how they work on my own terms. for old content this is almost impossible without a group willing to do it with you, and even for current content, if you aren't part of that first group progging through them, it becomes much more difficult to do things blind as time goes on. I really enjoy doing the raids and the savages, but doing thing through PF is actually pretty difficult at the end of the day. so to do savages and ex you really need a static group... but good luck getting 48 causal peeps to run DR(savage) blind. that's probably not happening. and the groups that do it are very... uh... "unwelcoming" from what i've found.
I find blind prog fun if you have the time to commit and find 7 other people willing to do it, but yeah damn near impossible to do in any old content. The best time I've found to do this and have had so much was when a new alliance raid drops. Super easy to find people willing to go in blind because there's not as much pressure compared to something like savage.
I'll also give my take on raiding as a new raider to other raiders! I started raiding in Endwalker, from P5S onwards. I started by joining a completely random no-expectations extreme (Barbaricca) in my FC. It was just a random event - there was no planned static or anything, just a random event to any of those who wanted to join. So I did! It made me very quickly learn that I knew pretty much nothing about raiding on black mage, and that's completely normal! You will fail. You will realize you're non-optimal, and you will realize that the base game doesn't properly inform you how to use your full toolkits outside of a couple pointers and expecting you to read tooltips. For me, I realized I simply wasn't ready for black mage and now I play a mixture of Ninja and Dancer. But! Soon after I cleared Barbaricca, I realized that the reward of clearing was super fun! Everybody was cheering in the discord call, and it made me want to try the second raid tier after a health break. Then it just didn't stop. I joined a proper casual static for the final Endwalker savage tier, and I'm going to clear TEA very soon in another casual static! As long as you study and are open to acknowledging your mistakes and fixing them as best you can, you will do fine. Sure, you might come across rude people in party finder - but in truth, actually toxic people are few and far between. And even further, once you actually get into raiding and make friends, you usually just raid with those people anyways - and braving party finder is always way more easygoing when you have other people with you. Be social! Join discords! Be in calls! Overcome anxiety!!! This game becomes substantially less scary when you step out of your comfort zone to adapt and overcome with friends! I haven't a single bad party finder experience. Those who have irked me or have been a little rude? Well, I take with a grain of salt because there are toxic people in EVERY game.
Dude my first experience was EXACTLY the same. Heavensward, Bismark ex as a healer, didn't get the dragon slayer, got ROASTED on party chat. I feel you lol.
I'd fallen out of raiding for several years after WoW burned me pretty bad on that... and then, because I needed the Field Notes, I did a duel in Bozja (I still don't have the hoverbike though, so rip) and after I beat it somebody asked if I had a static since some of the people in their Savage team couldn't beat the duel, and I realized that It Ain't Really That Deep.
For myself, I am a player in an already established group that I enjoy playing with. My problem is that I very much want to go into Ultimates and even try Week One Savage, but multiple members of my static either have no interest in either, or don't have the time available to devote to more than just what we put in for our weekly Savage Prog. I just feel like I'm in a rock and a hard place as I want to play with this group as they're all good friends but I still want to do that more difficult content.
Depending on how much time you have, just make a raid alt and do both. My raid lead is a great deal more skilled and hardcore than most of the rest of us are, but they're with us anyway just cos they like us and cos they're a bit of a raid junkie. They clear the tier in less than a month with their other group, and then cheerfully teach the rest of us over the next 2-3 months. Myself, my work schedule doesn't have the consistency to allow me to commit to more than one static, but I have a raid alt so I can practice more regularly in PF just whenever I have time, and cleared the tier a month ahead of my static. Like my raid lead, I'm in the static just cos I like playing with them a lot.
The video about trialing for a static would be a great thing to see. Also while I like your strats I had to rewatch your p12s p2 guide like 5 times to get what you've tried to explain and I feel like there's room for improvement for future guides
honestly, the video listed out plenty of steps to prepare yourself but it is also important to not overthink it. This is a hobby and not work. It is ok to not be a super mega player before going into static group content. Know your job, but you also don't need to perform perfectly. You will make mistakes and that is okay. Just be sure to seek out a group which has a similar level of investment in the content as you do. This is especially true when you are entirely new to harder group content
I'm not really 'scared' of raiding per se, I cleared Asphodelos and Abyssos on-content. It's more that my last raid group collapsed due to drama, and my last experience (Abyssos) burnt me out. I have the time, patience, and mentality to raid, I just lack the group. Oh, and I also have issues with my short-term memory because of unmedicated ADHD, so any memory-based mechanic requires that I need callouts. So yeah, not sure if raid groups would put up with me for that reason.
Extreme Trials of current content are pretty tough for me - and with my high ping, managing my rotation is extremely difficult on most jobs. I have no interest in raiding, but I watched this anyway because I like your content. Thank you for this - and for how healthy and encouraging your advice is!
I'm a guy that went from thinking extreme trials are too hard for me, to someone who regularly helps people clear TOP in pf! It's all about practice and dedication. Enjoy the ride of getting better and you'll get there for sure :) Also, I've seen a lot of player burnout by repeatedly throwing themselves at a raid. I think it's important to enjoy the journey so that you can also enjoy the destination!
After destiny raiding which is relatively easy but people are extremely toxic to those who may slightly or majorly underperform I’m intrigued to take on FF raiding, it seems somewhat more mechanically complex and the community so far has always been nice or helpful
As someone who started on ps4 i can relate to your Bismark story. I was tanking and somehow clicked my autorun lol. Also did not have a keyboard. Since i came from Wow i just assumed being flammed was normal 😂
im a newer player just recently getting into the game, I did a level dungeon with other players for the second I've ever done one with actual people, it was level 48 I think but I fucked up and let my tank die leading to my entire team dying I felt like shit and stoped playing after we finished it, I haven't really played since due to fear of fucking up again and but I think you might have at least semi helped my fear and ill prob play again when I have the time so thank u!
I have over 5k hours and have done both savage and ultimates. Yesterday I died to a simple mechanic in a dungeon and it caused the dungeon to take 15 min longer. Everyone makes mistakes. And no decent person will blame a new player.
My friends been glazing this game for weeks, hearing about the raids seem fun to me so i joined. I’ve been told of the toxicity of the raiding scene but seems better than playing lobby simulator in Lost ark just to argue with buddy failing the mechs 10 times in an hour.
I was enjoying myself very much earlier in EW. I first attempted blind the first two EW EX trial. Then I lost all interest in the next few EXs either due to story or most of the friends I usually ran PF with unsub from the game due to boredom. Hopefully Dawn Trail will give me the motivation to start doing EXs again and perhaps even Raid.
I'm new to ff14, but generally speaking for mmos, I always ask what the gimmick is. To many times did I enter a fight and not have something as simple as an antidote or a holy water. Most times. It's also prevents getting yelled at. Most times pro will do a trial run to get your feet wet and then do a serious run after.
Question when it comes to familiarity of rotation: I've heard a number of people say that you need to be able to do your rotation without having to look at your hot bars. How literal are we being here? My main jobs are dnc and rdm and it is literally impossible to do my rotations without looking at my hotbars because I need to keep track of what has proc'd. I have also played a fair bit of gnb, ast, and sch, and those ones I can't just never look at my hotbar ever and nail openings and burst windows without having to look at all. Is it kinda just accepted that certain jobs will have to spend more of their time occasionally glancing the hotbar?
thats bs, just get comfy and go into fight, u will wipe 100 times and eventually u just autopilot it. I know people who literally clicks their skills (and clicking requires u to look at skillbar) and they cleared TOP high actually good rank. Just do the fight. I did my 1st savage without knowing there is some kind of rotation, wtf is opener to begin with etc. The fight i start to really care about it was p8s. Yet its nice to know general rotation and opener, but unless u doing minilevel no echo run, its all irrelevant, bosses designed with idea that somewhere u will do mistake, and now we outgear any fight in game and also have echo 15% dps for all of them. makes it literally doable with any dps.
what its more like is that u can quick peek at skillbar to have a glimpse of upcoming cds and u back on focusing boss mechanics again. But thats imo more like ultimate content, not the savage/extreme which fights are extremely slow and have almost no random at all. Skill comes with experience, bullying dummy is just boring, bully some boss with echo instead (echo designed to cover your mistakes)
As someone whose mains are PLD and DNC and who's cleared the last four savage tiers on patch no echo, all criterions and 2 criterion savages, and am currently progging through an ultimate: not that literal. There are definitely some jobs that are a great deal more static in rotation like PLD, these I check my bars much less, but still a little bit, because while I have a rough internal sense for when oGCDs come off cooldown, I do need to look at the bars so I'm ready to hammer them the _moment_ they come off cooldown. But that's the thing, I have my rotation familiar enough that I HAVE that internal sense of "ok, feels like circle of scorn and expiation are about to come off cooldown right about now" so I know WHEN to look at my crossbars. For the bigger CDs, as you learn and memorize the fight, you also memorise the timing of mechanics in relation to when your CDs come off cooldown. For instance, I can tell you off the top of my head that in P12S phase 1, assuming I have executed my opener correctly, technical step will come off cooldown the exact GCD where I'm lining up for the very first orb in superchain 1, again post-paradeigma 3 almost exactly as the tanks are getting bustered, and then I hold the next one for post Superchain IIA. For all jobs but _especially_ very proc-based jobs like DNC, a good HUD/UI layout is imperative. Mechanics in high-end are communicated through three main ways: boss castbar, physical tells both placed on the arena and in terms of boss physical gestures, and debuffs. Sometimes it's the whole lot at once: for superchain 1, I need to look at the arena to see where the first orb spawns and at the shapes tethered to it to see whether it's going to be a point-blank aoe or a donut, and a pair stack or an individual spread, and position myself around the orb accordingly. While there, I need to look about to see whether the next orb is clockwise or counter-clockwise, and check my debuffs to see whether I'm stacking with the light element stack or dark element stack. and then after that we need to rotate for a third orb which I then have to check for in or out, resolve more debuffs, and then look at the _boss_ because she's about to tell us which side of the arena she's going to cleave by lighting up her wings, and _then_ check the boss castbar to see whether the party should stack inside the boss' hitbox or outside of it. And all of this is happening during/shortly after a techstep burst window. Whatever you use to see when you have procs, it needs to be somewhere where you can see all of these elements easily at the same time. Some people simply put their entire hot/crossbar nearer to the center of the screen so they can easily see the boss while looking at bars, and then position their debuffs and boss castbar right above/next to their hot/crossbars. Some people have a separate hotbar just for display purposes, on which they have only their procced buttons plus some cooldowns and put THAT center/top of screen so they can see easily when they have a proc without having to look _down_ to the bottom of their screen where their actual hot/crossbar is. A third way--and this is what I use--is to position your buffs closer to center/top of the screen. If you go into HUD layout-->status info-->click the little gear button for more settings-->under "layout" select "Split Element into 4 Groups, you can separate out "conditional enhancements" and "enfeeblements" (debuffs), make those extra big, and stick them somewhere super visible. "Conditional Enhancements" are the buffs that you get _specifically_ from rotation that allows you access to procs, like DNC's Silken Symmetry and Silken Flow, and splitting the elements out like that will cause them to be listed separately from all the other buffs you have like tech/standard step and shield samba and regens and what have you, allowing you to see when you have gained a proc more easily without looking down.
I´m not that scared of the raids. I'm most afraid of the other players.
I can understand that; I used to very much be in that situation myself. The fear definitely goes, given time!
Just remember that each group has expectations from you, if you screw up a clear party several times in the first mechanic is natural that everyone gets mad at you.
@@7RicolmE7I'm usually not the one screwing up a mechanic. But I do at least make a good try at communicating.
The expectation of so many mods being advertised in pf is also very intimidating imo
@Seeker265729 what other mods aside from AM do you see people require?
This may not help every new raider, but something that helps me learn/study before going into a fight is shadowing a clear video on a training dummy. I put a clear video on one monitor and then play on the other. As DSR was my first ultimate figuring out timing of my scholar mits was very daunting. Watching a clear video and "playing along" on a practice dummy helped me learn where/when/how to throw things to best aid my group! Its something I always recommend no matter the role because there will always be some downtime that will change cooldown timing, rotational planning, mit planning, etc. I wish all new players the best on their raiding journey
This helps so much! It's how I learned to keep decent glare uptime in TOP p6 before even seeing it for myself
that's such a great idea!!! i'll definitely have to try that next time i'm on a new job for a fight or just want to learn how better players use their skills!! thank u!
This, so much this
I had one guy flame me in one of the Heavensward final dungeons as I was still learning the mechanics but doing my best to stay alive... He was the one dying back to back but I was the "problem". He ended up rage quitting leaving me and our tank and healer alone in a 3 man. Thankfully I took the time to talk to the two that stayed to get tips on the boss and we ended up 3 manning it with ease on the first attempt cause I felt super confident in my NIN playstyle and just focused on dodging mechanics since I had gotten the timing down already. I definitely felt the love after that as we sent each other friend requests even though we were on different servers.
As someone who is about to clear his first ultimate, that being uwu (almost at annihilation, odds are high it'll happen today) I can confidently say, even before watching the video I wanna add:
Just watch a guide or two, focus on your specific Role (Tank, Healer, Melee, Ranged) take some very simple notes, or even just key words, and go for it in PF.
You'll not see those players again very likely and getting progess yourself/seeing the fight is worth it, even if just for 3 pulls
Edit: I cleared I have become an Ultimate Legend.
I am still nervous and mess up at Ultima with a lot of Mechs but my point still stands.
Just do it guys. Watch guides, hop into pf and prog.
Just, don't lie too much or get lost in overconfidence like most and go into a Jails Prog party when you can't even do Ifrit dashes
Sorry for necro, but I'm in similar situation (but on titan prog) and your comment helped me to gain motivation to move forward. I love the fight itself (uwu), but sometiems people in PF can be... and it's just difficult, well it's PF so yea. I'm happy you get your Legend! It's my dream goal in 14, hope I can manage it (currently dying to gaols and finding a party it's like half of the problem haha).
PF and people lying about their prog point is the biggest problem really. The fight itself is not difficult and since my comment I cleared it like 20~ times casually like it's just an extreme but yeah. First time doing and ultimate is always rocky
overall i think this is good advice but i have a few things
1. I don't think it was discussed about there being PF data centers so it is absolutely crucial to be on the right DC to PF. I'm not sure how EU works but for NA it will be impossible to pf outside of Aether.
2. It's widely accepted to stop your dps rotation (for tanks and healers too) when a mechanic is getting the best of you. The pressure to be so good at your class that you can do it with your brain off even during stuff the first time you see it is not real.
3. I think it's important to discuss when to decline a static. Newer players should not be trying to jump thru hoops for statics. Just find one that's accepting of people newer to raiding, and for reference that should be all of them who aren't looking to fast prog everything. Referencing the first point made, it ain't that deep its actually really easy and almost all mistakes savage related mistakes a newer player makes to raiding is usually corrected in under one lock out and now theyre set for life.
4. Don't adjust your irl schedule for a static. It's not worth it and adds extra stress to your life and you will feel extra pressure during raid.
5. Towards the end of the video it sorta turned into more of a video on how run a static and while useful, is kind of more information overload on someone just looking to join one. Highly recommend not trying to run a static to get into raiding there is a steep learning curve with people and it can cause you additional unhelpful and unneeded stress!
Light is EU's Aether, all the raiding's basically on Light.
I'm genuinely hoping they "fix" this issue of "you must go to Aether (or Light) to raid." Having everyone pile onto one data center for raiding is destroying the purpose of having separate data centers in the first place, which is to spread the number of instances in use out and not overload the instance server. With everyone piling onto Aether, we're just making it laggier for EVERYONE including people who aren't even raiding. Remember Raubhan Ex when StB first came out? That was the case of the instance server literally running out of instances available. Everyone piling onto Aether for the purpose of PF raiding is doing the exact same thing - and at some point during DT we're going to hit the instance cap if everyone is trying to prog the first Savage tier at the same time.
I realized how ridiculous it had gotten when, after my semi-static hopped over to Aether to fill out our PF with 3 more people once, we realized that we'd picked up 3 more people FROM PRIMAL who had also all hopped to Aether. We could have just stayed on Lamia!
One simple tweak to fix this would be forcing the person who initiates the instance to be a "native" to the DC. So you have a valid reason to hop DCs (joining a static based in that DC) and you're not simply hopping DCs because that's what everyone collectively decided that we have to do.
Point 4 is for me the reason I don't do statics anymore. Everyone starts their raid when I just finished cooking dinner for my fam and start eating. I have no idea when people eat at all or if they just eat so early that its basically 2nd lunch lol.
@@recaplrg3552 I think it depends on how your own life is structured. Making room for a static is a lot more feasible for someone living on their own with a flexible job schedule, for instance, than for someone with a family and a 9 to 5.
I dunno how common this is across DCs and Worlds, but when I go into PF looking for people clearing old content I often see the same faces a lot. It's fun to run into familiar names as you go through clearing fights even if I'm not very chatty - specially if those people are clearly trying to perform well and not being salty and weird. My experiences trying current content in PF haven't been as great, but clearing the backlog has been a great time!
I think that a lot of people forget that having good soft skills (building good relationships, general positive attitude) can be a massive boost to your ability to clear content. I love seeing familiar faces in pf and made some really good friends that way!
@@hurri-db Yep, absolutely! As much as negativity can quickly ruin the vibe of a group, being friendly and helpful definitely pays off in equal amounts. Nothing more satisfying than helping a mechanic finally "click" for someone and seeing how they never mess up on it again after struggling for many pulls.
Whenever I start to psych myself out for being the slowest one to pick up on a mechanic I tell myself over and over “the most important thing is being a pleasant person who shows up on time every week” and that helps me get through until I stop messing it up, because impostor syndrome is a bitch :|
to this day i’m still 100% convinced that Alphinaud is not ready for savage. my boy can barely handle pulls in trust dungeons :D
Alphinaud the kinda guy you gotta remind to put kardia on
funnily enough Alphinaud in Trust/Support is coded to always heal Alisaie first if she's in party, even if your HP is at 1 and hers is at 98%. so basically he's the equivalent of a healer whose focus target is on the tank and doesn't pay attention to anyone else
@@net-bansheeThat’s kinda cute tho tbh. He cares about his sister 😂
regarding call outs: We're one of the semi-statics (4-5 for people that fill out with PF players as needed) that invite folks to voice chat, and what we've found is having a custom funny mechanic that is descriptive is often more helpful than the in game mechanic name. An example in P10S - the mechanic is "towers." But there are two types of towers, the ones that are immediately followed up by a Circle or Holy (in or out) AND have the mini donut or AOE around each tower afterward. We nicknamed these "Matrix Towers" - as in, you must peer into the matrix, to describe the cascade of events and split second decisions that occur afterward. Then there's the pinball section with normal and cursed pattern. These too are towers, but since they're followed by the pinball BS, we nicknamed that one "BS towers." - Every PF pick up has immediately grasped this combination of funny description + clarification of the mechanic, and taken it over for them.
We've also stolen the phrase "tank business" from GG to describe tank buster + tank swap mechanics, because it neatly sums up that it's only a mechanic for the tanks and the rest of the raid team can focus on DPS and healers can worry about healing. (P10S tank towers became "tank yeets" because.... once again, descriptive + funny and everyone immediately knows what it is.)
Anyway, we're proud of our bingo square on your PF bingo cards. Hope y'all have fun playing with us too 😁
Spite is one hell of a drug it’s gotten me through pf p3s (my first raid series as a healer) when I was ready to quit. I’m not now a triple legend! DSR was my first to be cleared I was so proud of myself and I could finally see I improved as a player. I’m now working on TOP!
Spite is how I cleared P9S on week 1 too lol
(also I'm working on TOP too! Just gonna need to build a static in JP DCs lol)
@@crowdemon_archives Best of luck my guy! Know some random on the internet that also plays ff is rooting for you x’D
I should also probably look for a static but hey pf never fails to surprise! I’ll either get a clear or laugh/cry trying.
I just want to shout out Light PF Savage as some of the most fun I've had in any video game. Made tons of friends just from helping explain and clear up confusion around certain mechanics. The only static groups I play in are ones doing old synced/min ilvl content because those fights tend to be very hard to fill PF groups for, in my experience.
honestly I just watched this video as a seasoned raider just for the analytics and because I think that your content is great and something I would be proud to show new players.
Wonderful video! As someone who never expected to raid ever, was suddenly dragged into my first raid (P1S) with only 5 hours warning ahead of time I am now addicted to high-end raiding. I'm working on my first UWU clear now and having a blast! (Annihilation prog!)
Something I do for sprout friends too is we try (as an FC) to fill a group of people we know and run content with them so that if they are trying on a new job or hotbar layout or want to learn the class, we can take it slow, pause and discuss/answer questions. We also will communicate when we are trying a bigger pull or if the sprout is missing something or etc so that they get used to the ebb and flow of the average run of any given content.
I think, for a future video, what might be a fun topic to cover is maybe a video or series of videos of how to play more efficiently for supports-- tips and tricks for when and what kinds of mit to use (tank), healing skill priority and learning how to choose what heals when (healers). A lot of new players I see either make the mistake of using not enough or WAY too much irt both of these sets of skills and I think teaching that spamming Medica II when your party is only missing 10% of their health would be super helpful to those learning haha.
I started doing Savage and Ultimates at the beginning of Endwalker. I was a Shadowbringers baby who loves playing DRK and was too stubborn to do anything else. But I decided to try taking the plunge into the hard content and boy did I learn so much! It took my group 8 weeks to clear the first tier, but we slowly improved and cleared the second tier in 4. And the third was dead in 3. In that time I slowly learned how to play DRK much more proficient and to be more active as well as learn to play other jobs! I’ve also become a quad legend as of now, penta very soon once I clear UCOB.
My lack of ability was obvious when I first started but now looking back at how I was then to how I am now I can see the improvement! My advice to anyone wanting to start is you CAN do it 100% as long as you have the want to learn and improve! If I can do it, then anyone can!
Just started playing on Xbox. I accidentally readied on the duty finder for an Ultimate not realizing what was about to happen.
Let’s just say, after wiping 4 times I chickened out of the duty and just logged out with no explanation, feeling massively out of my depth.
I’ve not even attempted another since purely out of fear of disappointing someone else.
Your video just popped up on my feed so just gave it a watch. And you have confirmed my confirmation bias.
This level of content (look’s for me to be) is far too much effort for my level of skill at the moment after playing for just 3 weeks, but at least I now have some perspective on the task in general. Thanks.
Are you sure that was an Ultimate? I'm pretty sure nobody queues for these via DF (idk if you actually can), and after 3 weeks you would have to be very fast (or buy skip) + having cleared the respective savage - I assume you queued for an extreme, and for that - don't be too afraid, the people you were probably queued up with were also people who don't know that it's content you usually do via Party Finder and Mentors, who should be exactly there to help and teach (some are meh, but ignore those) =)
@@katrinkpunkt you know, it maybe was an Extreme I’m probably mistaken.
And yeah I’ve been pretty intense with it since it released on Xbox beta at the end of February (I didn’t get it the middle of March). I’ve put in about 240 odd hours and I’m at level 80 on my main job now and almost finished Stormblood.
Oh yeah people that do these usually have played the game for a long time.
Thank you for nodding towards the disabled crowd! I wept clearing uwu for the first time, as someone who plays with their feet, and am excited for the future. Hoping fru might be the stepping stone between tea and dsr, but if not, do you think jumping to dsr from current tier savage/uwu to dsr would be alright?
UWU to DSR is a fairly big leap, but current tier to DSR isn't unreasonable. You should be able to acclimate to it either way if your party is patient and communicative. The biggest way DSR and TOP differ from other raids is that they have a higher order of randomization for mechanics with few role-based ones, so everyone needs to memorize multiple permutations and be able to play their job at the same time. But since you mentioned TEA: if you can get past BJCC with any consistency, you can absolutely do anything in DSR. Just expect it to be harder on your endurance.
@@sird31mos thank you for this! This helps me put things in perspective a lot better, I really appreciate it 😤
Holy crap if you can complete uwu with your FEET I have no excuse to not clear the current tier. That sounds like a cake walk compared to what you did 😭 I have more motivation now as a newbie. Thank you!
@@anastachios Hehe, it's not something that any gamer wants to have to think about, but it was surprisingly fun to get used to the controls. But equally as frustrating finding hurdles in games limited controller support...
But in regards to this tier, our static blasted through it at our fastest rate to date. It's definitely a fun one, I recommend it! 💛
As someone's who's first foray into high end content was Asphodelos, and just recently achieved pentalegend, I wish I had this guide starting out. The learning curve for even getting your foot in the door is honestly the hardest part, and you've managed to brilliantly summarize every single step and give some top tier advice along the way. I'm going to be sending this to everyone who tells me they want to try raiding for the rest of time.
I have horrid raid anxiety. It was alright in savage but in the last phase of uwu i was in tears, afraid id mess up. I love raiding but its a lot for people with anxiety.
Just the other month i cleared tea, calm collected and I had so much fun!
Now Im tanking dsr as my first tank content, its fun, rewarding and really fucking scary. But the positives are overwhelming the negatives.
If ure at a similar spot as I am, it can get better! But please always keep in mind your health and take breaks if u need them 🩷
THE BECOME LEGEND!
LEGEND THE BECOME
I wish I had this video 2.5 years ago when I started raiding (yet not sure I would have appreciated it as much at the time). Literally most of the advice you gave I found out the hard way XD. Found myself nodding all the way through. Still learned some new things though.
I think one of the biggest things I learned in the process is how important it is to be at a similar skill level, mentality and motivation as your raid team. Without this balance between players there are varying expectations, people getting frustrated when others can't keep up and having to drag some individuals across the line.
For me, I started raiding with my FC and we were all fresh so at the start it was good. However, as we progressed, different players got better faster, and some reached their ceiling sooner than others. For some this ceiling was P4S, where I had to replace half the raid team mostly because they had lost motivation and morale. With the new team we pushed into DSR after that, and boy did that fight teach me so much about the game. When we started it, I didn't realize how much we still had to learn.... and once again it revealed to us who had hit their ceiling and who were still getting better. 6months went by, morale was low, we'd seen DKT once and then regressed since then... same people wiping the same way every session. I ended up clearing in PF and while I tried to get the group over the line after that, it just didn't work out.
Regression has to be the most depressing thing to go through in a raid group. I had to end it there and go my own path. I still raid with some of them to this day but I now have a deep understand how important it is to be on the same page as your team in skill, motivation and expectations... oh and availability also, it really sucks wanting to raid more if you're in a group that can't raid more. It's not their fault but you need to find what works for you.
i study the tutorial video multiple times. when i think i understand the strat, i look for a clear video, stop the vod when a mechanic is starting, think for myself, what would i do, and then continue the video and see if i'm right. works great so far. everything after p9s limit cut i learned without ever practice it and got my clear on the 2nd try
"For trials, dont pressure yourself too much [...], prepare like its a job interview" I dont know what kind of job interviews you do, but usually its one of the most stressful things for me in life xD
scariest part of raids is watching video guides and trying to figure out what's going on as the bitrate gets hit with seven different tank busters
i have watched and rewatched this video a couple times now, and it's genuinely been the push i've needed to make the step to higher end content. i've been doing ex trials for a couple months now, thanks to a great group i met in party finder at 5am who were learning one of the endwalker extremes, and just recently made the jump to progging anabaseios savage. i've been wanting to do ultimates for a while, ESPECIALLY dragonsong's reprise because heavensward is my favourite expansion, and like. i don't know the whole 'it's not as hard as it seems, and you don't need to be afraid of it' has resonated with me so much. i decided that i'm going to start progging uwu in party finder this week, with the aim to have it cleared by dawntrail. thank you for the push.
I just got my first ultimate clear a few Days ago and cleared again yesterday! If you have any curiosity about ultimates JUST DO IT! Especially now between expansions. There are several people looking to get clears before DT and a lot of people who want to help people clear, as well. don’t be afraid to use PF, ask questions and put in the time and effort. It never hurts to try.
Thank you so much for this! It's one thing to think "just get stuck in", but definitely another to know where to get stuck in, and what level of expectation comes with each level of difficulty.
As a recent Returner who never got around to finishing ARR originally, I'm beyond grateful for content like this. Your videos are getting me hyped to catch up and get active in current content. Thank you for giving back to the community like this
THIS ! This is *THE* video I don’t need any other raiding guide video now thank you. Just finished learning my opener I have a long way to go.
This is a fantastic video! I have many friends I've tried to get into harder content, but they find it too intimidating. Thanks for helping put words to expectations that usually go unsaid ^^
Loved this, "don't get 1 guy-d" it sums up my raiding career, from that 1 guy to being SCH #14 in EU in p12s. Don't give up, it's worth it. Awesome vid as always Rinon ♥
This video is awesome! Never raided in FFXIV before, in fact I'm still in Stormblood on the MSQ, but I'm planning on going ahead and dipping my toes into raid content soon via minimum ilvl extremes and savages from expacs I currently have access to, and I hope to eventually tackle an ultimate. There's so much useful information here!
Used to WF raid in Wildstar, and have hardcore raided in WoW since WotLK. This is by far one of the best videos I have ever watched on not just *how* to get started raiding, but the mentality when doing so. I returned to the hobby for WoW's last expansion and had a pretty poor experience because of the biggest issue you mentioned here - a disconnect between what others in the group were looking for and what I was. Its *okay* to shop around and to say no to the first option that presents itself. There is no shortage of groups, but there *is* a fear that comes with putting yourself out there. Make your time valuable and invest in finding the right group for you.
I've been raiding for over a year and this is still SO helpful. The whole section on expectations and commitment is something I've had to learn the hard way. 😅
Don't be a weakness William!
bit late, but i've recently found myself scared to go into extremes in pf due to a fear I can't perform anymore, think this all comes down to me knowing I'm not as good at the game as I was when I cleared harder content back in shadowbringers, going to try following your advice and just do it and just throw myself into the new extremes to get back into it, mostly because I really want to clear another ultimate. thanks for the video, hopefully it's the push i need.
sometimes, it feels like the playerbase sets the bar the same way entry level jobs require years of industry experience to apply, the skill paradox: to get into something for the first time, you must already have experience doing the thing you are getting into for the first time
This is way more rampant in WoW. Feels like getting a job in that game (and has for years). Maybe I've been lucky but I've gotten into a few groups pretty easily. Also partly having a decent reputation. I get asked sometimes to do things by others, which introduces me to new people. It's a who you know kind of deal sometimes as well.
@@QuintemTA frankly, from what I hear about WoW, I think FFXIV is way more easy to get into lol
@crowdemon_archives It is, as a veteran of WoW and now semi veteran of FF. My time with FF14 has been generally smoother, with more pleasant people.
That "must have experience to join" mostly just applies to statics, and you can definitely get raiding experience before joining a static. You can join any PF as long as you've unlocked the duty, meet the minimum gear level requirement (if they have one), and will fit into one of the job/role slots.
Sure, if you don't know the basics of your job or haven't read/watched any guides up to your prog point, the party will be annoyed with you, but you don't need to have raided before to get a decent raid experience. The key is just doing your homework before going into the fight. People are generally polite about giving feedback as long as you're asking good questions and genuinely trying to learn.
You do get the occasional asshole in PF, but FFXIV's raiding scene is fairly good-natured overall, and it's miles less toxic than WoW from what I've heard. In all of my UWU prog and clear parties, I've only met one actual flaming asshole who overreacted to people's mistakes. Everyone else was pretty reasonable, neutral, or straight up friendly and encouraging, even to people who needed more help on mechanics than others. So it's not really that exclusive in the PF scene.
Thanks for making this! I just got to the end of EW and want to dip my toes into raiding before DT comes out and I was at a complete loss where to start. This helps!
You got this!
I am a analytically minded player and I can attest to Ralds improvements on his tardiness!
omg is that citrona ceres from the tea multipov
I am an emotionally minded player and I love this comment and person.
glad you covered the topic of studying your own gameplay. i improved so much mechanically when i started doing this
My thing has been to pull endgame newbies from my FC and IRL friends into reclears and do "serious-lite" style raid nights to break that initial barriers into Savage and get them to experience the content/pacing without the pressure of having to perform for strangers and it's been super fun, even got a few people interested in joining me for future prog in Dawntrail! I'm gonna save this vid to send to new people to help me set expectations for them
I'm new to the game and currently a level 52 dragoon. Honestly the scariest thing to me is seeing all the keys I'm going to have to assign for my job. The combos are the most threatening thing to me. The min maxing essentially.
So when Eden's Verse was still relevant content and we were in the middle of lockdown, I did throw caution to the wind and actually attempt a Savage tier. It was a lot of fun, and despite being nervous, I went through to clear E5, 6, and 7S (not 8 because that was a hell of itself).
This eventually lead to me attempting to clear an Ultimate (UCoB) which I still haven't not done, but do yearn to do one day, even if it isn't that one.
The biggest enemy I just have to deal with is time.
I have fell in love with raiding over the Endwalker expansion. It really just takes a bit of effort to get over that initial fear of pf but I’m so glad I pushed myself to jump in!!
I feel very seen as a 100% casual game , who was a 100% casual gamer all her life, and had a bad encounter with another WHM who was unbelievably mean to me (while I was asked to help her raiding party, being given 30 minutes to learn E9S - while having no Savage experience). That encounter led me to start to raid out of sheer spite, and my spite fueled me to clear every single Savage fight on content since E9s. and become a Triple Legend (currently at P6 in DSR).
I would like to attest to the sheer power of spite.
I’ve never raided before but I want to jump in! This video is very helpful and informative, thank you!
Criterion mentioned but Moko the Restless not shown ): Otherwise, banger vid! 100% agree with the prog mentality you talked about, hopefully it's something that other people pick up!
Moko the restless? More like Moko the Bestless
@@RinBanana More like BestEST not BestLESS WAH
MOKOKO?
I've never met Rald and have no idea who he is, but we're friends now.
Thanks for making these vids! My fc has so many ppl who want to get into raiding and these are great ways to help them :3
Just wanted you to know that this video was the reason i decided to really push for it last weekends and now i have cleared p9s and p10s respectively, probably some of the most fun i have ever had in this game so thank you. My friends are planning to drag me through p12s(skipping p11s cause they said its boring lol) next and finally an ultimate so i look forward to that.
what a cool cat. Gonna try some ex trials!
You're a cool cat!
Thx for guide my beloved super raider!
Thank you for watching!
I love PF. It's wild and rowdy and it's always available when I am
Still got a lot of video to go, so hopefully it'll change my mind, but rather than being scared, my personal hangups are tied to my adhd and to my inability to parse out complex placements/movements and react in a split second.
General savage and extremes have never been overly difficult for me, but it's the ultimates I want to get into. Back when variant dungeons came out I attempted the hard version, and despite my every attempt, looking at every guide I could get my hands on, attempting to draw out the possible permutations and quiz myself on them during lulls at work, I just could. not. figure. out. The second big attack Silkie does. It refused to click and I never once was able to solve where I needed to run and what direction I needed to face in the couple seconds I needed to act. So hearing that the ultimates involve ever more randomly assigned, complicated, solve in a second mechanics has made me feel that I'll never be able to clear them.
As for my other hangups, my brain tends to become obsessed with things in three day chunks. So I'll be pumped to try to study to attempt uwu, maybe try to squeeze in a starter prog from pf (with no luck because I play during NA's deadest hours), and by about then my brain loses interest and cringes away from thoughts of touching the game. So I take a break, and by the time I come back months later all my knowledge has faded away and I'm back at the start. This has happened like three times already, and I'm afraid it'll never get better. I'm sure this was frustrating to read and sounds like excuses, well it's just as frustrating to live it, I promise you.
Gonna keep watching now!
This answerd a lot of questions for me! THANKS!!
This has been really helpful! I and some friends started on xbox beta back in late february and have caught up with most content up to ew aside from the latest shb and ew extremes and savages and we've all been looking to get into raids and probably start with uwu here soon.
Damn you guys are zooming
This is solid advice I'll try to send to some folks.
banger vid
I was barely a boy when I started watching this man, now I am a triple legend. I recommend the rinon method to anyone.
banger comment from perfect legend cobseel
Thanks to your video, I kinda see why many of FFXIV fans also like DMC. Motivation!
Well, that certainly explained all of what goes into it, but yeah, I think it's around the "Preparation" phase that I had to acknowledge my limits, and my eyes kinda glazed over at "Efficient Progression" when the charts came out. Don't even get me started on how distracting and intimidating so many markers placed at once was throughout the whole thing, lol.
Alas, Extreme/Savage/Ultimate/etc will remain content beyond what I'm personally capable of doing outside of unsyncing it once I've over leveled/geared it, which does also mean having to accept that there's stuff I'll never get to do because it'll never reach a point where I can outpace it, same with a lot of content in this game actually, which is why I never understood anyone who complains that the game is "too easy" when a lot of it is effectively walled off to so many because they'll never be good enough to beat it (myself included).
I started playing during 2.2 and I remember having a lot of fun trying to clear Ultima's Ballad (though I wasn't successful) using party finder. Then HW came out, Bismarck, I don't know what the issue was, but getting the tank swap during the snakes was REALLY tough for me. Eventually, got to try Thordan EX and that's when I gave up on trying to clear EXs during the same expansion, only with Echo during future expacs... Plus I just really struggle remembering fights with a lot of mechanics. For whatever reason I could handle Normal Exdeath no problem during Omega, but other fights my brain just... forgets.
We all have strengths and weaknesses! For me, I suck when it comes to long term memory mechanics because my brain just throws them out if I don't put in a real high level of effort
I'm not saying I couldn't clear this content. I know that given time I could. It's just a really massive undertaking and a massive time dump that I just don't bother wasting my time and others'. I still get massive enjoyment out of the game regardless, which is why 14 is such a great game. It gives every type of player a chance to progress.
Hello penta legend here, i was blessed to have friends that helped me get into ultimate raiding but when i did UWU for the first time i just realised that it is a long extreme or savage fight from a far it looks intimidating but when you look up a guide and break it down it is only extreme mechanics that happens at the same time so don’t overthink the fight and get ahead of your self just learn what you encounter first and then look what to do next later it will help with the anxiety of failing (and trust you WILL fail so don’t over work you self everyone will eventually fail) so try to have fun doing it
Edit: don’t get fooled by tea raiders the fight is hella ez if you managed to do the first limit cut
The main things I would recommend are to:
Watch a guide on the raid you want to do before you do it. It helps a lot to know what you're going to be facing before you actually do it.
Let people know you're new to the raid before it starts. If you haven't done the raid before, you'll get an intro cinematic playing for you before the raid can start for anyone. I use this time to type a quick message to my alliance saying that I haven't done the raid before and people have actually given me tips on what to do for the boss fights!
Lastly just take the plunge and dive in! I know it's scary and nerve-wracking. I'm a White Mage sprout myself who's never healed in an mmo ever, so I know how scary it can be. But after you clear the raid the first time, it gets much easier to do it over and over again. Will you always be perfect? No. But neither is everyone else and both of you will mess up at one stage or another. But that's how we learn and get better at this!
I initially was fearful of raiding in FF14 because I had a terrible experience raiding in Guild Wars 2. So I was fearful of fucking up and getting flamed or kicked for it. I also just have severe Anxiety so trying something new I had no experience with terrified me.
Thankful the FF14 community was far more welcoming and I also got into it initially with my FC through Extreme Trials before I delved into Savage in Abyssos with a longtime friend of mine from Guild Wars 2 that I’d gotten into FF14. We raid together all the time (even to this day) which helped ease my Anxiety a bit since I’d be playing with someone I knew. Now I’m comfortable with raiding in Savage and debating trying out Ultimate with a group of friends I made through helping them clear P12S
The fight that made me in love with EXs was Titania and Hades (I did it during 5.5). My bad experience was a clear party of Diamond Weapon that I was berated for not watching a guide. (I never watched for the fights before and pretty much learned them blind)
I started on AST with P9 and got completely dragged in the mud by people complaining about my healing. So I switched to RDM and developed a fairly consistent confidence on EX and P9S-12S. Did TEA on RDM as well and it worked out fairly well... all within a year's time span (yeah, I get that I'm a bit slow, oh well). Then I went back to AST on Criterion and P12S. Now I'm trying my hand at TEA with AST. Going into DT, the goal is to prog the next savage on AST and off role on RDM/BLM. The next Ultimate is also the goal for RDM most likely. It's taken some time but raiding feels a lot less stressful now. I even ran P12S without markers with a group of peeps and it's been a ton of fun to relearn by being extra mindful of movement without relying on markers.
"Make sure you understand the mechanic rather than just learning your spots."
1000% true
Great video as always!
but i don't have the attention span, will, commitment, motivation, mindset, tenacity and determination to do ultimate.
That's okay it ain't that deep just pull and have some fun and do your best!
UwU is quite steady prog. Definitely recommend just jumping into fresh blind prog in PF. If you have fun, keep going or find a static
i've only ever done 1 current savage fight and i gotta say it made me very proud of myself. my next goal is to do a whole current tier at least once
A lot of it for me is during HW I had a very bad time with a static, very toxic static. It soured a lot of it for me. I’ve also got several disabilities and really bad social anxiety even with playing friends. I can do extreme, and I’ve progged some of the Endwalker tier when it was current. So I’m capable. It’s just sometimes my anxiety really cripples me.
Pf heroes! It can be done ✅ I promise. I Made heavy strides since shadowbringers. Eden’s verse I cleared 1st and 2nd fights in pf. Eden’s promise I cleared first three fights before 5.45 delubrum and finished the tier later with echo. Asphodelos I completed in 7 weeks. Abyssos 5 weeks. Anabesios 3 weeks.
I'm not scared of raiding, I actually think I'm overconfident on the topic, but when I finally did Elid WOL for the first time today, I thought it was incredible, and when we wiped someone brought up "wheres the LB3" "We need tank LB" not only is this the first time I've heard a role specific LB being mandatory, but also that was the first wipe where I finally wasn't confused on whether I was the one who caused a wipe, and I'm glad that I caused the wipe, because now I know how to do that trial now.
Patience > High Skill. If you can keep your cool over extended periods of time and always do your best you'll eventually beat pretty much anything in the game as long as you have a basic level of skill in your job/role.
My top 1# reason is the randoms. I've done some Savage raiding and like out of 10 of them I got 4 where there were total dicks people in the party, one of they literally bullied me to leaving cause I missed the last mec in P9S (obs: it was a prog pf). I know there are lots of very kind people in PFs and most are 'normal', but these toxic few make me never want to do it again.
Yeah I've totally had those experiences too, I'm really sorry that happened to you. Unfortunately with random players there will always be a mixed bag; even if 90% of interactions are positive you'll occasionally run into someone that's miserable to be around. If you enjoyed the raiding aside from the people, it might be worth trying to make or join a group to experience it in a comfy environment
21:15 This really hit the spot for me. I managed to clear both asphodelos and abyssos, but the latter raid tier really left a foul taste in my mouth. I had to stop following ffxivdiscussion on Reddit cause they valued your ”skill” in how fast you could clear. Hated it. I felt so nervous about fucking up…
I think seeing each learning moment as a win is a way better mindset. That same mindset made me enjoy fighting games for example.
Great video Rinon, you gave me the motivation to attempt p12s again :)
When it comes to raiding preparation, can recommend the summer fare jumping tower.
13:16 THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS!!! I'm a Stormblood transplant and the way I actually figured this out as a healer required me and my husband as a tank. We would que and he would just go!.. he would purposly tank as the worst ever and I had to cover his ass in every situation. It was the best learning how to do this. We eventually started proging and have cleared so much together.
Hey Rin awesome video again, did you ever think of doing a video about like the nuances of raiding (maybe you have already). Things like snapshotting AOE's, Being able to abuse gaze mechanics by looking as soon as the cast bar goes off, even things like protean spots and how they work. Awesome work again, keep it up!
Your video resonated a lot with some of my experiences with extremes savage. Coming from another MMO where I had "an okay" performance as a DPS, I thought raiding FF I was gonna have a similar experience and boy, how wrong I was 🤣. First fight I did was Barbariccia Ex. To this day, I definitely do not recommend anyone to start with that. Terrible fight to start because of the pace on how things keep being dropped on you lol. Then I went to Abyssos with a static that, despite knowing clearly I had no previous experience with savage content, they were on another level in terms of expectations. Two weeks in we've got P5S and P6S cleared and progging P7S but I was clearly the "weak link" DPS performance wise and I started getting called out for that. Shame and panic kicked in, I insta-left the static and gave up that tier entirely 🤣
Learning from that, I tried again on Anabaseios with a different group, one whose expectations were more chill. I still struggled (I have some issues when it comes to performing rotations fully on automatic mode and dealing with mechanics at the same time. I can spend hours on dummy, for weeks and months and still I can't get turn off my brain for the rotation part. It's always juggling between pressing right buttons at the right time and deal with mechanics). But at least I was comfortable enough to get to P12S. Eventually the group disbanded because we started losing people and it became harder and harder to replace them and I didn't get to see second fase, but at least I got some experience to make some better decisions for next tier. (Even if this decision is to give up on savage entirely lol 🤣)
Thanks for the video, many of the tips and suggestions you gave are things I tried and indeed helped me get better to the point of at least getting to see part of the last fight of the tier!
Hey Rinon, Sushi Roll here.
Thanks a lot for the shoutout for xivrecruit and thepfstrat websites! Tootsie was really stoked to hear you recommended and linked them!
Looking forward to Dawntrail. :)
after 2k hours of ff14 i finally went into current ex trials and raids (for the first time unsynced) and i actually found so nice people i play with regularely now. all the fear for nothing!
My current issue is that I deeply want to do at least savage. But I have had nothing but bad experiences with savage and I am also committed to raiding in WoW as well and so I would need to find a static that doesn't conflict with that and then at that point pretty much my entire week is raiding
Since i view most dungeons and raids as puzzles... I REALLLY don't like watching or reading guides, i want to do things blind, and find out how they work on my own terms. for old content this is almost impossible without a group willing to do it with you, and even for current content, if you aren't part of that first group progging through them, it becomes much more difficult to do things blind as time goes on. I really enjoy doing the raids and the savages, but doing thing through PF is actually pretty difficult at the end of the day. so to do savages and ex you really need a static group... but good luck getting 48 causal peeps to run DR(savage) blind. that's probably not happening. and the groups that do it are very... uh... "unwelcoming" from what i've found.
I find blind prog fun if you have the time to commit and find 7 other people willing to do it, but yeah damn near impossible to do in any old content. The best time I've found to do this and have had so much was when a new alliance raid drops. Super easy to find people willing to go in blind because there's not as much pressure compared to something like savage.
I'll also give my take on raiding as a new raider to other raiders! I started raiding in Endwalker, from P5S onwards. I started by joining a completely random no-expectations extreme (Barbaricca) in my FC. It was just a random event - there was no planned static or anything, just a random event to any of those who wanted to join. So I did! It made me very quickly learn that I knew pretty much nothing about raiding on black mage, and that's completely normal! You will fail. You will realize you're non-optimal, and you will realize that the base game doesn't properly inform you how to use your full toolkits outside of a couple pointers and expecting you to read tooltips. For me, I realized I simply wasn't ready for black mage and now I play a mixture of Ninja and Dancer. But! Soon after I cleared Barbaricca, I realized that the reward of clearing was super fun! Everybody was cheering in the discord call, and it made me want to try the second raid tier after a health break. Then it just didn't stop. I joined a proper casual static for the final Endwalker savage tier, and I'm going to clear TEA very soon in another casual static!
As long as you study and are open to acknowledging your mistakes and fixing them as best you can, you will do fine. Sure, you might come across rude people in party finder - but in truth, actually toxic people are few and far between. And even further, once you actually get into raiding and make friends, you usually just raid with those people anyways - and braving party finder is always way more easygoing when you have other people with you. Be social! Join discords! Be in calls! Overcome anxiety!!! This game becomes substantially less scary when you step out of your comfort zone to adapt and overcome with friends! I haven't a single bad party finder experience. Those who have irked me or have been a little rude? Well, I take with a grain of salt because there are toxic people in EVERY game.
Dude my first experience was EXACTLY the same. Heavensward, Bismark ex as a healer, didn't get the dragon slayer, got ROASTED on party chat. I feel you lol.
I'd fallen out of raiding for several years after WoW burned me pretty bad on that... and then, because I needed the Field Notes, I did a duel in Bozja (I still don't have the hoverbike though, so rip) and after I beat it somebody asked if I had a static since some of the people in their Savage team couldn't beat the duel, and I realized that It Ain't Really That Deep.
For myself, I am a player in an already established group that I enjoy playing with. My problem is that I very much want to go into Ultimates and even try Week One Savage, but multiple members of my static either have no interest in either, or don't have the time available to devote to more than just what we put in for our weekly Savage Prog. I just feel like I'm in a rock and a hard place as I want to play with this group as they're all good friends but I still want to do that more difficult content.
Depending on how much time you have, just make a raid alt and do both. My raid lead is a great deal more skilled and hardcore than most of the rest of us are, but they're with us anyway just cos they like us and cos they're a bit of a raid junkie. They clear the tier in less than a month with their other group, and then cheerfully teach the rest of us over the next 2-3 months.
Myself, my work schedule doesn't have the consistency to allow me to commit to more than one static, but I have a raid alt so I can practice more regularly in PF just whenever I have time, and cleared the tier a month ahead of my static. Like my raid lead, I'm in the static just cos I like playing with them a lot.
The video about trialing for a static would be a great thing to see. Also while I like your strats I had to rewatch your p12s p2 guide like 5 times to get what you've tried to explain and I feel like there's room for improvement for future guides
honestly, the video listed out plenty of steps to prepare yourself but it is also important to not overthink it. This is a hobby and not work. It is ok to not be a super mega player before going into static group content. Know your job, but you also don't need to perform perfectly. You will make mistakes and that is okay. Just be sure to seek out a group which has a similar level of investment in the content as you do. This is especially true when you are entirely new to harder group content
I'm not really 'scared' of raiding per se, I cleared Asphodelos and Abyssos on-content. It's more that my last raid group collapsed due to drama, and my last experience (Abyssos) burnt me out. I have the time, patience, and mentality to raid, I just lack the group.
Oh, and I also have issues with my short-term memory because of unmedicated ADHD, so any memory-based mechanic requires that I need callouts.
So yeah, not sure if raid groups would put up with me for that reason.
Extreme Trials of current content are pretty tough for me - and with my high ping, managing my rotation is extremely difficult on most jobs.
I have no interest in raiding, but I watched this anyway because I like your content. Thank you for this - and for how healthy and encouraging your advice is!
I'm a guy that went from thinking extreme trials are too hard for me, to someone who regularly helps people clear TOP in pf! It's all about practice and dedication. Enjoy the ride of getting better and you'll get there for sure :) Also, I've seen a lot of player burnout by repeatedly throwing themselves at a raid. I think it's important to enjoy the journey so that you can also enjoy the destination!
After destiny raiding which is relatively easy but people are extremely toxic to those who may slightly or majorly underperform I’m intrigued to take on FF raiding, it seems somewhat more mechanically complex and the community so far has always been nice or helpful
hmm, very interesting, but I would still want to see a discussion about 3rd party "addons" maybe?
As someone who started on ps4 i can relate to your Bismark story. I was tanking and somehow clicked my autorun lol. Also did not have a keyboard. Since i came from Wow i just assumed being flammed was normal 😂
14:10 bro this is what I did when I was first learning MNK, for me it was World of Darkness.
im a newer player just recently getting into the game, I did a level dungeon with other players for the second I've ever done one with actual people, it was level 48 I think but I fucked up and let my tank die leading to my entire team dying I felt like shit and stoped playing after we finished it, I haven't really played since due to fear of fucking up again and but I think you might have at least semi helped my fear and ill prob play again when I have the time
so thank u!
I have over 5k hours and have done both savage and ultimates. Yesterday I died to a simple mechanic in a dungeon and it caused the dungeon to take 15 min longer.
Everyone makes mistakes. And no decent person will blame a new player.
My friends been glazing this game for weeks, hearing about the raids seem fun to me so i joined. I’ve been told of the toxicity of the raiding scene but seems better than playing lobby simulator in Lost ark just to argue with buddy failing the mechs 10 times in an hour.
I was enjoying myself very much earlier in EW. I first attempted blind the first two EW EX trial. Then I lost all interest in the next few EXs either due to story or most of the friends I usually ran PF with unsub from the game due to boredom. Hopefully Dawn Trail will give me the motivation to start doing EXs again and perhaps even Raid.
I'm new to ff14, but generally speaking for mmos, I always ask what the gimmick is. To many times did I enter a fight and not have something as simple as an antidote or a holy water. Most times. It's also prevents getting yelled at. Most times pro will do a trial run to get your feet wet and then do a serious run after.
Question when it comes to familiarity of rotation: I've heard a number of people say that you need to be able to do your rotation without having to look at your hot bars. How literal are we being here? My main jobs are dnc and rdm and it is literally impossible to do my rotations without looking at my hotbars because I need to keep track of what has proc'd. I have also played a fair bit of gnb, ast, and sch, and those ones I can't just never look at my hotbar ever and nail openings and burst windows without having to look at all. Is it kinda just accepted that certain jobs will have to spend more of their time occasionally glancing the hotbar?
thats bs, just get comfy and go into fight, u will wipe 100 times and eventually u just autopilot it. I know people who literally clicks their skills (and clicking requires u to look at skillbar) and they cleared TOP high actually good rank.
Just do the fight. I did my 1st savage without knowing there is some kind of rotation, wtf is opener to begin with etc. The fight i start to really care about it was p8s. Yet its nice to know general rotation and opener, but unless u doing minilevel no echo run, its all irrelevant, bosses designed with idea that somewhere u will do mistake, and now we outgear any fight in game and also have echo 15% dps for all of them. makes it literally doable with any dps.
what its more like is that u can quick peek at skillbar to have a glimpse of upcoming cds and u back on focusing boss mechanics again. But thats imo more like ultimate content, not the savage/extreme which fights are extremely slow and have almost no random at all. Skill comes with experience, bullying dummy is just boring, bully some boss with echo instead (echo designed to cover your mistakes)
As someone whose mains are PLD and DNC and who's cleared the last four savage tiers on patch no echo, all criterions and 2 criterion savages, and am currently progging through an ultimate: not that literal. There are definitely some jobs that are a great deal more static in rotation like PLD, these I check my bars much less, but still a little bit, because while I have a rough internal sense for when oGCDs come off cooldown, I do need to look at the bars so I'm ready to hammer them the _moment_ they come off cooldown. But that's the thing, I have my rotation familiar enough that I HAVE that internal sense of "ok, feels like circle of scorn and expiation are about to come off cooldown right about now" so I know WHEN to look at my crossbars.
For the bigger CDs, as you learn and memorize the fight, you also memorise the timing of mechanics in relation to when your CDs come off cooldown. For instance, I can tell you off the top of my head that in P12S phase 1, assuming I have executed my opener correctly, technical step will come off cooldown the exact GCD where I'm lining up for the very first orb in superchain 1, again post-paradeigma 3 almost exactly as the tanks are getting bustered, and then I hold the next one for post Superchain IIA.
For all jobs but _especially_ very proc-based jobs like DNC, a good HUD/UI layout is imperative. Mechanics in high-end are communicated through three main ways: boss castbar, physical tells both placed on the arena and in terms of boss physical gestures, and debuffs. Sometimes it's the whole lot at once: for superchain 1, I need to look at the arena to see where the first orb spawns and at the shapes tethered to it to see whether it's going to be a point-blank aoe or a donut, and a pair stack or an individual spread, and position myself around the orb accordingly. While there, I need to look about to see whether the next orb is clockwise or counter-clockwise, and check my debuffs to see whether I'm stacking with the light element stack or dark element stack. and then after that we need to rotate for a third orb which I then have to check for in or out, resolve more debuffs, and then look at the _boss_ because she's about to tell us which side of the arena she's going to cleave by lighting up her wings, and _then_ check the boss castbar to see whether the party should stack inside the boss' hitbox or outside of it. And all of this is happening during/shortly after a techstep burst window.
Whatever you use to see when you have procs, it needs to be somewhere where you can see all of these elements easily at the same time. Some people simply put their entire hot/crossbar nearer to the center of the screen so they can easily see the boss while looking at bars, and then position their debuffs and boss castbar right above/next to their hot/crossbars. Some people have a separate hotbar just for display purposes, on which they have only their procced buttons plus some cooldowns and put THAT center/top of screen so they can see easily when they have a proc without having to look _down_ to the bottom of their screen where their actual hot/crossbar is. A third way--and this is what I use--is to position your buffs closer to center/top of the screen. If you go into HUD layout-->status info-->click the little gear button for more settings-->under "layout" select "Split Element into 4 Groups, you can separate out "conditional enhancements" and "enfeeblements" (debuffs), make those extra big, and stick them somewhere super visible. "Conditional Enhancements" are the buffs that you get _specifically_ from rotation that allows you access to procs, like DNC's Silken Symmetry and Silken Flow, and splitting the elements out like that will cause them to be listed separately from all the other buffs you have like tech/standard step and shield samba and regens and what have you, allowing you to see when you have gained a proc more easily without looking down.