Funnier part is that in the flashpoint continuity her mother [spoiler ahead]... ...goes insane when Bruce dies and becomes the Joker of that timeline, complete with Harley-like lower, Yo-yo (briefly seen in the animated movie).
Bruce became the Batman because he convinced himself that that’s what his parents would want him to do but Thomas telling him to stop hits so hard especially if you remember the scene where Bruce was talking to his parents at their grave in mask of the phantasm.
@@christopherkidwell9817 Batman's existence brought about the rise of supervillains, criminal empires adapting to him and trying to get better gear which gave GPD a harder time to deal with them, and more psychopaths in Gotham as well.
I never felt batman did it because he thought his parents would want that of him. Like ever. he did it because he saw it was necessary and to stop what happened to them and him happening to others. he does it because of the neverending mission.
Stephanie is definitely not a Barbara kid,those two are only a couple of years apart. It would be like counting Tim as a Dick kid because at first he was also employee level. Plus i think that over the years Steph has definitely earned her place within the bat family and is no longer just a co-worker
She didnt take it well when she found out he turns into batman. She of all people knew the misery and horror batman faces and goes through and broke when she found out her son ends up like that.
it seems on the comic cover with the father batman had him standing over bruce and his wife in the alley. I could be wrong. So i'm guessing she wasnt the joker in this reality
alfred would have been supriced for a few moments, then asked thomas if he still liked tea. perhaps alfred would have recounted evrything he did for bruce since that fateful night.
They ruined this nice story later when it turned out Reverse Flash saved Thomas Wayne at the last minute and brought him to the main universe. Only for Thomas to suddenly become a villian and team-up with Bane which leads to Bane killing Alfred.
@gokus789 sounds like a writer shamelessly retconning another writers story for the soul purpose of misusing their character horrendously. though if its the same writer then idk what you'd have to be on to make that decision.
@@gokus789 i hate subversive writers i hate subversive writers i hate subversive writers i hate subversive writers i hate subversive writers i hate subversive writers
What i like about thomas wayne vs Bruce is that Bruce does not kill to honor his parents and because he doesn’t want to become a murderer who will kill the parents of someone else. Thomas kills people because of the death of his son. Both are doing what they think will honor the dead one but what they do are the total opposite and I just think it’s a neat detail that the writers thought about.
No, he doesn't murder because he isn't murderer. He doesn't manslaughter anymore only because there is Red Hoon II who is "Batman but lethal", before that he killed a lot random goons, as a last restort and what not.
Isn't the actual reason given by Bruce is because he is mentally unstable and afraid that he would become a killing machine like the Joker if he gets a taste for blood? I personally translate Bruce talking about why he doesn't kill the Joker as him murdering any criminal, even those who did petty crimes and don't deserve death, and use justice as an excuse when in reality it's just Batman's craving to kill.
@@Error-7-0-7 yes i also believe that if bruce kills, he will not be able to stop, he said so himself i think in the red hood movie but he is also not killing because he believes his parents wouldn’t want this for him.
the thing is Thomas doenst understand. He thinks Batman is his legacy reflecting on his son but its the other way around. He is Thomas Wayne being batman, but his son only holds Bruce Wayne as a mask and the real man IS batman.
"Come with me, father. Please." To think that someone losing their parent at an early age actually has a chance to directly tell them that. I'm torn :(
What they should have done if they want to have a Thomas Wayne story is by having him do a similar thing to Alfred in origins where he disagrees heavily on his sons choices but eventually comes around to it.
@THE UNWRITTEN GOD - Thomas Wayne Batman gets it done. The difference between Martha Wayne Joker and Prime Earth Batman's Joker is that Bruce's Wayne's Joker had no rhyme or reason, had no real connection to Bruce outside of their mind games. Martha was Thomas' wife. He should have killed her, but at least his reasons for hesitation make sense. Plus, Martha wasn't 100% insane. Bruce, NOT killing his Joker, is just self-righteous, ego stroking. Thomas would have ended Bruce's Joker. Like a real hero would.
@@jasonalbran376 But isn't that DC govt fears the most? Taking the law in your hands. I mean the Injustice series and in Justice Lord's universe are the proof of that.
Thomas Wayne is the most underrated Batman character we need a movie that’s only about Thomas Wayne..what he battles in his life…who is he connected with in that timeline,how is he going to explain about what he lost mostly… we need a good movie where it all starts with thomas Wayne becoming the Batman and why he can’t resist to stop being the Batman.
@@phanhosfatannf8713 yeah…but I’m talking about a solo part of Thomas Wayne and why he became the Batman. We need a movie that’s all about Thomas Wayne vs Bruce we seen Bruce enough throughout the years….the audience want something new…something different…we need to see the real Thomas Wayne.
I may not have read the comic, but I did see the movie. It broke my heart and the fact that they have an opportunity to meet makes me even more emotional. It would have been awesome to get this moment animated while Kevin Conroy was still alive.
I like to think he stayed as Batman so he could teach his son and be a good father to him. He answered that bat signal so he could be a good example to him
Thank you so much for this information. I read the Flashpoint novel for the first time a few years ago, but this continued the story and was cool to see in the video. I have to check it out. Flashpoint Batman was one of the coolest versions of Batman ever. The artwork was nice too. Thanks again. Keep doing your thing.
You see? I always knew Bruce was just too delusional in thinking his parents wanted him to become a dark knight to avenge them but he's always been WRONG about that! However how Bruce explained his story in "Batman Forever" was that he became Batman to strike fear into those who did evil and ensure that what happened to him would never happen to anyone else ever again.
It's not that he thinks his parents want him to be Batman. He doesn't think that. He thinks that being happy and letting go of his trauma is like abandoning his parents. It's his trauma that drives him to being Batman. It's the trauma that Bruce is worried about giving up. In his mind he let his parents die because he should have been strong enough to prevent their death.
@@jerm70 Yeah but he was just a kid back then, there was nothing he could do and he needs to stop beating himself up about it and live life while being Gotham's dark knight at the same time. See Bruce has never understood BALANCE and that's something he really does need to learn.
Gotta be for real here, I am not a dc fan, but this shot here of Bruce's father "3:31" He is truly like a bat spreading its wings as far, as wide, and as tall then ever before. Just running into the light with two batrang in each hand shouting "We rise" is just a masterpiece of art. I mean look at the bottom image he truly does look like a bat going into a army to fight, that is a badass shot right there.
Thank you Sir for breaking this comic down, this was definitely a tear jerker, makes me think of my dad and how he picked me up when I fell especially as how the both of us served in the military (same path). I'm truly thankful 🙏🏿
What I find interesting is that this Bruce's dad is so similar to Flashpoint Thomas that he knew what his dad was talking about when he asked about what he said in the cave when he was younger
Well it after all isn't your typical alternate universe where everything changes. As pointed out by the flash, this was a direct result of interfering with the original timeline, by saving his mom, so while some things may have been changed prior to that point due to the properties of time travel, the flashpoint timeline is pretty much just based on the original timeline
Touching moment... shame it wouldn't ever be allowed to amount to anything. Bruce has already had so many other opportunities and reasons to retire, but it never sticks. It's not like it would have to be the end of "Batman", there are plenty of characters who could take up the mantal as his successor, but it will still never happen.
I think that's one of the flaws of comics in general, the backlash to a new Batman like that seems sorta out of place, especially with what happens here. The only suitable Batman successor IS Terry McGinnis, and I know there are so many people who agree with that.
@@solredqueen: I think Dick Grayson could have had a real shot at being a viable successor, especially with Damian Wayne as his Robin, bringing the whole story full circle. Unfortunately, that was never anything more than a temporary gimmick, with Bruce's inevitable return always planned from the start
I like that flash calls Wayne senior Doctor Wayne. Unlike Batman where Bruce Wayne is a mask and his identity is wholly Batman since adolescence, Thomas Wayne got to live a lifetime as a doctor who did no harm before another lifetime of punching crime in the face. It harkens back to when the man was truly good.
3:00 I literally cried. Thomas Wayne told his son to stop being Batman. "Find happiness. Please. You don't have to do this. Don't do it for me. Don't do it for your mother. Be a father for your son in a way I never could be for you. Let the Batman die with me." It hurts my soul knowing that Bruce could have moved on and never have become Batman.
This popped up on feeds to match my interest Thanks for the sound of the pages as you flipped Did not realize I miss that sound until I heard it here Good story and great telling of the event
Thomas was a doctor so his skills aren’t the same as Bruce’s. He never got the same level of training and doesn’t need it because guns. Him going for the kill actually makes him less of a threat since he doesn’t need to deal with many reoccurring foes and rarely fights super-powered enemies in Gotham. Bruces foes had time to perfect their art along with him taking an active role in the League. Thomas is closer to a weaker Punisher in terms of combat effectiveness and would only serve as a weakness to Bruce in a combat where guns aren’t effective.
Pity we never got a timeline where Thomas actually went with Bruce to that timeline, it would have being awesome not only for Bruce/Batman mental health but the interaction with the others
That's some powerful stuff. My father means everything for me, if he told me to give up being something I was doing to make him pround, something that was helping people, but destroying me I couldn't know what I would do. And I also have a son.
Even just seeing the title of the video just already made me cry cuz... damn, the concept of Bruce and Thomas seeing each other again after all this time... Pulls at the heart strings
It's sad that after that the writers decided to completely ruin Thomas Wayne character by putting him in prime earth and making him cooperate with bane, wich led to the city of bane storyline and he was indirectly responsible of Alfred's death
Poor Bruce, he really should listen to his dad, he deserves to find love, happiness and joy, after he has been through, maybe Nigthwing or Redhood can take over as Batman, but it wouldn’t be the same.
When Bruce decided not to quit being Batman, and instead propose to Catwoman, Thomas found out and decided to force him into quitting by working with Bane, which led to Catwoman leaving Bruce at the altar and the death of Alfred.
Well. The story of batman sort of comes full circle, but being that it's batman I'd simply hope he'll learn to trust others to help him out without having to do everything himself. Trust others more than he already does, especially his bat family. That way he's able to actually be a father to Damian but in his own way. As it's been revealed and said many times over, He see's himself as Batman, Bruce is the Mask. I'm still hoping for a comic that features Element X (the new version) Batsuit paired with a White Lantern Ring, and with this story he'll finally be able to allow himself to Love again, and get over his loss.
@@Vainner The blood-dripped smiley face is the first and most blatant recurring image of Watchmen. I don't know if the button in this was created by Dr. Manhattan but it wouldn't surprise me; the original was the icon of the Comedian... and the blood on it also belonged to him. Jon would have respected Blake since flawed as the man was he had the sheer brazen balls to call out Ozymandias and Jon himself and have a point both times.
I imagine Bruce considering Thomas words “Let the Batman die with me” then he realizes that he’s been doing this crusade for his parents, he’s been kind of selfish for his parents, everything was for them to make himself feel better, he changes his motivation so nobody has to go through what he did as a child. Not because of his parents, not for him, because Gotham needs a defender against people who can’t defend themselves
Thomas reminiscing on his son in the cave as he charges into the never ending abyss that is nothing as he screams “WE RISE” Has got to be the saddest/most badass panel I’ve seen in a long time. You can feel a little bit of everything Despair,hopelessness,love, hope, happiness, anger, closure. It’s just so bittersweet
It's really week for them to write Thomas wanted to not want to leave because he has literally no reason to stay. But you know they love making heros unnecessarily tragic
can you believe this.. Bruce was dark.. super dark character of all DC character yet refuse to take lives, with serious strong sense of justice, calm, wise and compose but that moment he saw his dad. Felt like he just revert back as a kid on that alley where and when his father dies.
With them saying "We can save you!" and Thomas replying with "You have", I think that was the inspiration for the Flash movie in which Barry says "We can't bring you back, can we?" and Bruce replies "You already have". But in addition to Michael Keaton's Bruce Wayne in that movie, as he was stitching himself after the fight with the Russians, he had a smile on his face showing that he missed being Batman without realizing it. But imagine how he would feel if his father told him to give up being Batman and find happiness. It makes me think of "The Dark Knight Rises" when Alfred said he never wanted him to come back to Gotham and had that fantasy in Florence in which Bruce would be sitting at the café and the end of the movie makes it real, showing Bruce finally found peace. Even Alfred said he thought of how Bruce would have a couple of kids. I hope that one day Warner Bros. adapts this comic. We need to see Bruce meeting Flashpoint Thomas. We need to see him hearing from his father that he needs to give up being the Batman and finds happiness. Bruce doesn't have to let the Batman die and let someone else take the mantle, but I agree that Bruce would need to retire eventually and live the rest of his life in peace.
If I ever got the second chance to talk with my father again definitely wouldn't waste the opportunity was fortunate enough to have 8 years with him my strength came from him wasn't the best role model but gave me the morals I really needed was family my father will always have my love an didn't waste my hard work on nothing all I've asked my father for was his Time ❤
I feel like the thomas batman would've attacked bruce and flash mistaking them for intruders also for the fact last time Thomas saw bruce was when he is a kid, so it doesn't make sense for him to instantly recognize bruce.
Thomas: “Stop being Batman & be a father to your son.”
Bruce: “My son is literally a trained assassin, so it’s a bit complicated.”
Yeah, not sure how Thomas Wayne would have gotten along with Damien
@@wjzav1971 By shooting him
Terry is true son.
@@wjzav1971 Thomas would see how disrespectful Damian is & spank him with his utility belt.
@@VITAS874 he’s a clone, that’s like saying superboy is Superman’s true son
1:42 “Your mother was more of the plan-ahead type.” I can’t believe Batman gets his preptime ability from his mom.
Dear lord the prep time is genetic
@@eeveesmusic1938 While she prepared dinner, her son prepares justice!
Funnier part is that in the flashpoint continuity her mother [spoiler ahead]...
...goes insane when Bruce dies and becomes the Joker of that timeline, complete with Harley-like lower, Yo-yo (briefly seen in the animated movie).
@@GiacomoSorbi Bothe Bruce and Martha would be traumatized and happy as the same time, if they get to see eachother in the flashpoint.
It explains why she was always a step ahead of Thomas
Bruce became the Batman because he convinced himself that that’s what his parents would want him to do but Thomas telling him to stop hits so hard especially if you remember the scene where Bruce was talking to his parents at their grave in mask of the phantasm.
One of my favorite movies too, that scene was great
@@anacreon4611 Was it? Batman has done good for the city and fixed a lot that would have gone unfixed.
See Bruce was always just so delusional in thinking his parents wanted him to be Batman but he's always been WRONG about that.
@@christopherkidwell9817 Batman's existence brought about the rise of supervillains, criminal empires adapting to him and trying to get better gear which gave GPD a harder time to deal with them, and more psychopaths in Gotham as well.
I never felt batman did it because he thought his parents would want that of him. Like ever. he did it because he saw it was necessary and to stop what happened to them and him happening to others. he does it because of the neverending mission.
Tomas: You have a son?
Bruce: Five sons, a daughter, and another child on the way.
Three daughters counting Spoiler and Oracle.
I think Oracle is closer to his niece at best,seeing as she is a daughter of his close friend. Also who's the fifth son? Dick,Jason,Tim,Damian,?
@@kilakino9744 For the daughter, I was referring the Casandra and the fifth son is Duke.
@@johnathanholmes1297 I don’t count Stephanie. She was always strictly employee level and if anything is Barbara’s kid.
Stephanie is definitely not a Barbara kid,those two are only a couple of years apart. It would be like counting Tim as a Dick kid because at first he was also employee level. Plus i think that over the years Steph has definitely earned her place within the bat family and is no longer just a co-worker
It's also a missed chance for Bruce to see his mother as the JOKER, but I think that's probably for the best
Probably for the the best. Imagine the trauma of seeing one of your parents being a variant of your greatest enemy.
She didnt take it well when she found out he turns into batman. She of all people knew the misery and horror batman faces and goes through and broke when she found out her son ends up like that.
@@tenjenk yeah, I saw that.....really think he should've kept that bit to himself, but oh well
@@25shadow11 @tenjek where does it take place? which issue?
it seems on the comic cover with the father batman had him standing over bruce and his wife in the alley. I could be wrong. So i'm guessing she wasnt the joker in this reality
Really wished Thomas would have went with them because I want to see Alfred's reaction.
alfred would have been supriced for a few moments, then asked thomas if he still liked tea. perhaps alfred would have recounted evrything he did for bruce since that fateful night.
They ruined this nice story later when it turned out Reverse Flash saved Thomas Wayne at the last minute and brought him to the main universe. Only for Thomas to suddenly become a villian and team-up with Bane which leads to Bane killing Alfred.
@gokus789 sounds like a writer shamelessly retconning another writers story for the soul purpose of misusing their character horrendously. though if its the same writer then idk what you'd have to be on to make that decision.
@@gokus789 i hate subversive writers i hate subversive writers i hate subversive writers i hate subversive writers i hate subversive writers i hate subversive writers
@@gokus789 This is one of the reasons why I never really was into American comic books.
What i like about thomas wayne vs Bruce is that Bruce does not kill to honor his parents and because he doesn’t want to become a murderer who will kill the parents of someone else. Thomas kills people because of the death of his son. Both are doing what they think will honor the dead one but what they do are the total opposite and I just think it’s a neat detail that the writers thought about.
Underrated comment.
Beautiful.
No, he doesn't murder because he isn't murderer. He doesn't manslaughter anymore only because there is Red Hoon II who is "Batman but lethal", before that he killed a lot random goons, as a last restort and what not.
@@FirstnameLastname-my7bz I have a stroke reading this
Isn't the actual reason given by Bruce is because he is mentally unstable and afraid that he would become a killing machine like the Joker if he gets a taste for blood? I personally translate Bruce talking about why he doesn't kill the Joker as him murdering any criminal, even those who did petty crimes and don't deserve death, and use justice as an excuse when in reality it's just Batman's craving to kill.
@@Error-7-0-7 yes i also believe that if bruce kills, he will not be able to stop, he said so himself i think in the red hood movie but he is also not killing because he believes his parents wouldn’t want this for him.
a world without Batman is.... unacceptable. so, it is time Waller made a new one
where is terry when you need him lol.
the thing is Thomas doenst understand. He thinks Batman is his legacy reflecting on his son but its the other way around. He is Thomas Wayne being batman, but his son only holds Bruce Wayne as a mask and the real man IS batman.
@@fatboisaint1589 not yet born
yeah make it women and then it will truly die
@@MGrey-qb5xz Yeesh, party pooper. No cake for you.
"Come with me, father. Please."
To think that someone losing their parent at an early age actually has a chance to directly tell them that. I'm torn :(
As soon Bruce says "dad" that hit me good
I hear it in two voices, Kevin Conroy's and the kid actor at the beginning of Batman Begins.
imagine the closer and happiness you'd feel from both sides.
Rip to whoever was depending on the bat signal at the end
Pretty sure Nightwing or his other sidekicks will do it
@@senpie6639 no.
@@shonenhikada9254 Why not?
@@OhNo0o0 isn't Nightwing working in Bludhaven?
It will reach him late the signal for help since he doesn't know Bruce stop using the mask for a while
@@durinV He said other sidekicks, so that includes the rest of the bat-family.
Thomas' speech to Bruce when he pushed him on the treadmill was so touching I actually choked up a little when I first read it.
I cried
The shot at 2:00 of them standing next to each other is amazing.
naw 1:49 is better but ther both EPIC
1:49 “Like father and son” - Darth Vader
A pity that later writers did dirty to this Thomas turning him into a villain obssesed to stop Bruce to be Batman.
He was even gonna do that by marrying Catwoman, but then he started working with Bane and let Alfred get murdered.
What they should have done if they want to have a Thomas Wayne story is by having him do a similar thing to Alfred in origins where he disagrees heavily on his sons choices but eventually comes around to it.
Thomas Wayne make a really bad ass batmen.
Yeah but hi use gun
@@ALMIGHTY_EDIOT Well, he isn’t Bruce. So the No killing rule and guns aren’t that much of a big deal to him.
@THE UNWRITTEN GOD - Thomas Wayne Batman gets it done.
The difference between Martha Wayne Joker and Prime Earth Batman's Joker is that Bruce's Wayne's Joker had no rhyme or reason, had no real connection to Bruce outside of their mind games.
Martha was Thomas' wife. He should have killed her, but at least his reasons for hesitation make sense. Plus, Martha wasn't 100% insane.
Bruce, NOT killing his Joker, is just self-righteous, ego stroking.
Thomas would have ended Bruce's Joker. Like a real hero would.
Bro alfred died because of thomas
Fk thomas
@@jasonalbran376 But isn't that DC govt fears the most?
Taking the law in your hands.
I mean the Injustice series and in Justice Lord's universe are the proof of that.
Thomas Wayne is the most underrated Batman character we need a movie that’s only about Thomas Wayne..what he battles in his life…who is he connected with in that timeline,how is he going to explain about what he lost mostly… we need a good movie where it all starts with thomas Wayne becoming the Batman and why he can’t resist to stop being the Batman.
don't we get him in the Flash movie?
@@phanhosfatannf8713 yeah…but I’m talking about a solo part of Thomas Wayne and why he became the Batman. We need a movie that’s all about Thomas Wayne vs Bruce we seen Bruce enough throughout the years….the audience want something new…something different…we need to see the real Thomas Wayne.
"Don't be Batman"
"The World Needs me Dad"
I may not have read the comic, but I did see the movie. It broke my heart and the fact that they have an opportunity to meet makes me even more emotional. It would have been awesome to get this moment animated while Kevin Conroy was still alive.
There is one constant, consistent, unchanging fact about good parents: they want the very best for their children.
I like to think he stayed as Batman so he could teach his son and be a good father to him. He answered that bat signal so he could be a good example to him
If i as a villain sees two batman in a room i'll shoot myself in testicles first then head
Fooni
Thank you so much for this information. I read the Flashpoint novel for the first time a few years ago, but this continued the story and was cool to see in the video. I have to check it out. Flashpoint Batman was one of the coolest versions of Batman ever. The artwork was nice too. Thanks again. Keep doing your thing.
who else sees reverse flash following them from behind?
Me, and even I have the comic book, I didn't see it the first time I read it... Why is there a yellow speedster following them???
That is black flash dummie
@@xuanlamtran2428 what? I see a new52 yellow suit... Why are u saying it's black flash?
@@flavioartist9278 oops, sorry, i took i closer looks, yeah it is reverse flash
Thawne be like "It was me barry"
i read it, and it almost made me shed a tear
I shed a tear by him talking about it.
You see? I always knew Bruce was just too delusional in thinking his parents wanted him to become a dark knight to avenge them but he's always been WRONG about that!
However how Bruce explained his story in "Batman Forever" was that he became Batman to strike fear into those who did evil and ensure that what happened to him would never happen to anyone else ever again.
I am not sure where you get that idea that Bruce thought his parents wanted him to become batman lol.
@@NinjapowerMS Maybe from "Batman mask of the phantasm"
It's not that he thinks his parents want him to be Batman. He doesn't think that. He thinks that being happy and letting go of his trauma is like abandoning his parents. It's his trauma that drives him to being Batman. It's the trauma that Bruce is worried about giving up. In his mind he let his parents die because he should have been strong enough to prevent their death.
@@jerm70 Yeah but he was just a kid back then, there was nothing he could do and he needs to stop beating himself up about it and live life while being Gotham's dark knight at the same time. See Bruce has never understood BALANCE and that's something he really does need to learn.
@@gibbs615you should read the bat family adventures, it does all of that in spades
It always amazes me at how much media people miss out on because they don't realize that stories can be told in so many ways
Gotta be for real here, I am not a dc fan, but this shot here of Bruce's father "3:31" He is truly like a bat spreading its wings as far, as wide, and as tall then ever before. Just running into the light with two batrang in each hand shouting "We rise" is just a masterpiece of art. I mean look at the bottom image he truly does look like a bat going into a army to fight, that is a badass shot right there.
"please I need it to be different now..things are different now.....I never planned for this I never planned to be happy"
I think he should of Told Alfred of his latest adventure, he'd love to hear that Thomas in a way survived
Comic art is an old trait. But truly timeless. Nice vid bro
Thank you Sir for breaking this comic down, this was definitely a tear jerker, makes me think of my dad and how he picked me up when I fell especially as how the both of us served in the military (same path). I'm truly thankful 🙏🏿
Same
Certainly I was not the only one who read both Batmans with Conroy's voice in mind with Thomas having a somewhat deeper tone.
Just imagine there is an alt universe where Thomas came with them through the cosmic threadmill.
What I find interesting is that this Bruce's dad is so similar to Flashpoint Thomas that he knew what his dad was talking about when he asked about what he said in the cave when he was younger
Well it after all isn't your typical alternate universe where everything changes. As pointed out by the flash, this was a direct result of interfering with the original timeline, by saving his mom, so while some things may have been changed prior to that point due to the properties of time travel, the flashpoint timeline is pretty much just based on the original timeline
Touching moment... shame it wouldn't ever be allowed to amount to anything. Bruce has already had so many other opportunities and reasons to retire, but it never sticks. It's not like it would have to be the end of "Batman", there are plenty of characters who could take up the mantal as his successor, but it will still never happen.
It's Bruce's greatest flaw, he can't trust anyone but himself to do the job
I think that's one of the flaws of comics in general, the backlash to a new Batman like that seems sorta out of place, especially with what happens here.
The only suitable Batman successor IS Terry McGinnis, and I know there are so many people who agree with that.
@@solredqueen: I think Dick Grayson could have had a real shot at being a viable successor, especially with Damian Wayne as his Robin, bringing the whole story full circle.
Unfortunately, that was never anything more than a temporary gimmick, with Bruce's inevitable return always planned from the start
1 Batman is bad enough… imagine 2 Waynes… Hardboiled, stoic, Psychopathic Batmen.
In frame 3:46/4:04, is that the Reverse Flash running behind them and without a cosmic treadmill?
I like that flash calls Wayne senior Doctor Wayne. Unlike Batman where Bruce Wayne is a mask and his identity is wholly Batman since adolescence, Thomas Wayne got to live a lifetime as a doctor who did no harm before another lifetime of punching crime in the face. It harkens back to when the man was truly good.
This is a perfect setup the Doomsday Clock story arc!
3:00
I literally cried. Thomas Wayne told his son to stop being Batman.
"Find happiness. Please. You don't have to do this. Don't do it for me. Don't do it for your mother. Be a father for your son in a way I never could be for you. Let the Batman die with me."
It hurts my soul knowing that Bruce could have moved on and never have become Batman.
The fact that Thomas tries telling Bruce to stop being Batman and just go and find happiness is gutwrenching.
This popped up on feeds to match my interest
Thanks for the sound of the pages as you flipped
Did not realize I miss that sound until I heard it here
Good story and great telling of the event
Finally i was finding something like this
Bruce only is enough to handle entire JL, what if he team up with his father
An unhinged Bruce can rule the multiverse without Thomas just look at the Batman who laughs.
Thomas was a doctor so his skills aren’t the same as Bruce’s. He never got the same level of training and doesn’t need it because guns. Him going for the kill actually makes him less of a threat since he doesn’t need to deal with many reoccurring foes and rarely fights super-powered enemies in Gotham. Bruces foes had time to perfect their art along with him taking an active role in the League. Thomas is closer to a weaker Punisher in terms of combat effectiveness and would only serve as a weakness to Bruce in a combat where guns aren’t effective.
On hand, Batman should listen to his father. On the other hand, the city needs him.
Pity we never got a timeline where Thomas actually went with Bruce to that timeline, it would have being awesome not only for Bruce/Batman mental health but the interaction with the others
That's some powerful stuff. My father means everything for me, if he told me to give up being something I was doing to make him pround, something that was helping people, but destroying me I couldn't know what I would do. And I also have a son.
Even just seeing the title of the video just already made me cry cuz... damn, the concept of Bruce and Thomas seeing each other again after all this time... Pulls at the heart strings
Thomas frees Bruce from the alleyway, he was finally allowed to leave and move on.
I rushed to find this vid! Truly captured the batman essence
why is so so hard for people to just make a show like this
Yo I saw that “whatever Merys role is” line on Twitter and couldn't stop laughing
Hard to feel emotional impact if it's going to be retcon again.
1:49 “Like father and son” - Darth Vader
Don't read comics anymore, but that's awesome. Would love to see a really good director and really good actors do this in live action.
3:45 *looks at zoom trailing behind them* huh....wonder if he has anything to do with this
I'll be honest, I didn't see that detail till I red this comment. Kinda spooky.
@@ivanbond5209 yeah, he likes to do that
It's sad that after that the writers decided to completely ruin Thomas Wayne character by putting him in prime earth and making him cooperate with bane, wich led to the city of bane storyline and he was indirectly responsible of Alfred's death
A pity
They should’ve left his story at this, a good ending.
Poor Bruce, he really should listen to his dad, he deserves to find love, happiness and joy, after he has been through, maybe Nigthwing or Redhood can take over as Batman, but it wouldn’t be the same.
This is the only way that Batman can really die...In a Thomas Wayne request...
When Bruce decided not to quit being Batman, and instead propose to Catwoman, Thomas found out and decided to force him into quitting by working with Bane, which led to Catwoman leaving Bruce at the altar and the death of Alfred.
yeah it's that run isn't it?
Well. The story of batman sort of comes full circle, but being that it's batman I'd simply hope he'll learn to trust others to help him out without having to do everything himself. Trust others more than he already does, especially his bat family. That way he's able to actually be a father to Damian but in his own way. As it's been revealed and said many times over, He see's himself as Batman, Bruce is the Mask.
I'm still hoping for a comic that features Element X (the new version) Batsuit paired with a White Lantern Ring, and with this story he'll finally be able to allow himself to Love again, and get over his loss.
Ain’t that smiley face button related to the darkest knight?
I thought it was watchmen
@@alexsung3117 it's from watchmen. It was from the doomsday clock comic
@@Vainner The blood-dripped smiley face is the first and most blatant recurring image of Watchmen. I don't know if the button in this was created by Dr. Manhattan but it wouldn't surprise me; the original was the icon of the Comedian... and the blood on it also belonged to him. Jon would have respected Blake since flawed as the man was he had the sheer brazen balls to call out Ozymandias and Jon himself and have a point both times.
its just funny how batman's dad is also a batman 🤣
I imagine Bruce considering Thomas words “Let the Batman die with me” then he realizes that he’s been doing this crusade for his parents, he’s been kind of selfish for his parents, everything was for them to make himself feel better, he changes his motivation so nobody has to go through what he did as a child. Not because of his parents, not for him, because Gotham needs a defender against people who can’t defend themselves
Thomas: "Son I....need go get milk."
We need this in live action with batfleck and jeffrey Dean Morgan Thomas Wayne. Different Barry Allen though
Great vid. Keep them going 👍
For a second i thought that button is a reference to watchmen
Imagine Jeffrey Dean Morgan as Batman Flashpoint and Ben Affleck as the regular Batman in the same movie.
This is the Thomas Wayne I love. Not the dumb plot twist of him teaming up with Bane and killing Alfred.
Hello again nice video
I would give every and any wotld possessions to spend a few minutes to speak to my father. I miss him terribly. RIP
Thomas reminiscing on his son in the cave as he charges into the never ending abyss that is nothing as he screams “WE RISE”
Has got to be the saddest/most badass panel I’ve seen in a long time. You can feel a little bit of everything
Despair,hopelessness,love, hope, happiness, anger, closure. It’s just so bittersweet
It's really week for them to write Thomas wanted to not want to leave because he has literally no reason to stay. But you know they love making heros unnecessarily tragic
that was an amazing ending i actually didn’t expect that
Joker, 3 months from the last panel: "What's wrong, Batsy? You never take calls, you didn't set up a voicemail, and you don't visit anymore!"
To be honest, this is one of the best Batman stories that i have read in the Comics in 2017.
i think it was the closure batman needed. to finally hear his dad and the only advice was to find happiness.
can you believe this.. Bruce was dark.. super dark character of all DC character yet refuse to take lives, with serious strong sense of justice, calm, wise and compose but that moment he saw his dad. Felt like he just revert back as a kid on that alley where and when his father dies.
his happiness is being batman, thats why he doesnt kill
it seems like a beautiful lie theme from bvs movie where he met his father at his presence of his happiness...
With them saying "We can save you!" and Thomas replying with "You have", I think that was the inspiration for the Flash movie in which Barry says "We can't bring you back, can we?" and Bruce replies "You already have".
But in addition to Michael Keaton's Bruce Wayne in that movie, as he was stitching himself after the fight with the Russians, he had a smile on his face showing that he missed being Batman without realizing it. But imagine how he would feel if his father told him to give up being Batman and find happiness. It makes me think of "The Dark Knight Rises" when Alfred said he never wanted him to come back to Gotham and had that fantasy in Florence in which Bruce would be sitting at the café and the end of the movie makes it real, showing Bruce finally found peace. Even Alfred said he thought of how Bruce would have a couple of kids. I hope that one day Warner Bros. adapts this comic. We need to see Bruce meeting Flashpoint Thomas. We need to see him hearing from his father that he needs to give up being the Batman and finds happiness. Bruce doesn't have to let the Batman die and let someone else take the mantle, but I agree that Bruce would need to retire eventually and live the rest of his life in peace.
Thomas Wayne became Batman. Also an alcoholic who is in his middle age, for some reason he is still ripped and angelic.
Batman is my absolute favourite superhero character
cheers mate i just balled my fucking eyes out
always thought it was cool that no matter who dies in that situation a Batman would be born, they should do one for his mom now lol.
Damn, That was sad AF
The Best Ever Batman-Flash story ever made in all rebirth era
I see equality runs in the family
one of the best story ever written in comic book history.
If I ever got the second chance to talk with my father again definitely wouldn't waste the opportunity was fortunate enough to have 8 years with him my strength came from him wasn't the best role model but gave me the morals I really needed was family my father will always have my love an didn't waste my hard work on nothing all I've asked my father for was his Time ❤
1:49 This panel goes hard.
I feel like the thomas batman would've attacked bruce and flash mistaking them for intruders
also for the fact last time Thomas saw bruce was when he is a kid, so it doesn't make sense for him to instantly recognize bruce.
He really turned into a kid again after seeing his father..
really interesting that thomas mentioned that mama bats is the plan ahead type, meaning dad is the brawn and bruce is the best of both worlds
Bruce shouldve went "Well. Dad used guns..."
I feel Bruce would have gone back to answer the signal... because at some point, the mission was no longer about his parents...
Bruce has already met his father...when he was a kid.
Fuck man !!!!!!! , you told us mmmmmmmmmm a fact that everyone forgot 😂
The Man-Bat/Batdad and The Batman together 🖤❤️