thanks for this video. i just bought this same orange cabinet from a friend, i love it, but i was curious about a side by side demo. i dont regret my purchase at all. the tone off these speakers is unique and very brutal.
That is such a cool cab. I miss mine. I downsized to 2 cabs. They’re very unique sounding but I liked it for sure! I’ll get one again one day. Keep enjoying yours!
Thanks! Now I know why the cr60 combo is so fuzzy in the drive channel while it sounds really great in the clean channel. I'd rather not have the fuzziness coming from the speaker, if I reallly want it I would bring in a fuzz pedal for that occasion.
@@HypnoticValentino yep! Exactly! It took me starting this channel to realize how much the speaker you have matters. It’s why I couldn’t find tones I was happy with prior to this.
Im not gunna lie, the Jim Root Cab was my first 2x12, and I wanted to like it soooo much, and while I loved it's unique look, size, and configuration, there was just something about those Orange Speakers I couldn't get into. I tried so many Amps, and played it everyday for weeks, but they were just bugging me more, and more. Like I almost have never played a speaker that bugged me so much, and I own a lot. It was also, just for the money that thing costs, and the fact I got it to use in the Studio, and live, I just couldn't bring myself to keep it, and I couldn't just say I'd try other speakers for the money that thing costs, as cool as the Cab itself is. I returned it, and got a Mesa 2x12, and as soon as I played through it, it was a sigh of relief, and it's been a major part of my live, and studio productions ever since. I dunno, like the first couple days I had the JR, I actually didn't mind it at all, but then it started to become apparent no matter what rig I played through it that the Low end was flubby, and muddy, and the high end was a bit out of control. They almost sound like playing through speakers that are out of Phase or something if that makes sense, so I dunno if it's partly the Cab too, but just thinking now(and it's to late for me to try this), but I always wondered how those speakers would sound in another Cab, and how other speakers would sound in the JR Cab. Maybe you'd be down to try it one day? Just a thought. And not hating on anyone who likes this Cab/Speakers, but I just couldn't bring myself to really like it no matter what I tried. Cheers bro!
Thanks for taking the time to check it out! I’m happy it was helpful. You can’t go wrong with a Vintage 30. That speaker has beyond proven itself. Take care!
Confirmed, I absolutely hate the Voice of the World speakers alone, Attack of the Killer Fizz ... in the mix, the VotW would fix a sludgy dirty doomy sound but for general use ... no thank you.
I am quite surprised by the relatively "scooped" sound of the VOTW speaker in that Jim Root cab given that Orange heads LIVE in that low mid zone. I mean, I guess that's why Jim uses V30s live (right?). I'll also say that a Rockerverb & V30 pair would definitely offset what Mick Thomson is doing with his tweaked Omega head and DV-77 speaker. Two guitarists working as a complementary pair is way better than fighting over the same frequency space.
I was shocked, I really thought this would be the opposite. Also makes sense why Orange uses V30’s in so many of their cabinets. I couldn’t agree more. I layered these for a quick second and the 77 fills in that lower midrange of the VOTW really nice! Different sounds that blend rule!
Preferred the V30 isolated, but in the mix the Voice of the World sat better to me. I actually didn't like the VOTW much at all by itself. just goes to show that mix tones often don't sound awesome without their context!
I thought the V30 sounded significantly better in every section of the final mix except the last riff, where it was closer with a slight edge to the VOTW. But the V30 still sounded good in that riff, whereas the majority of the riffs in the final mix didn't sound good to me on the VOTW.
Yes and no. I don’t have the Orange cab with the VOTW speaker anymore but I do have the audio still from the mix in this video. I could put together a RUclips shorts with that mix this week if you’d like! I am doing this going forward with speaker shootouts as well.
@@tyrannosaurusriffs yeah it sounds very bright, not bad, but I'd like to hear a pair being pushed by a 5150 into a Drop G# baritone. Bet it sounds brutal.
I love that cab but I did notice I didn’t love it everyday. Some days it was awesome, others days not so much. I’m sure it was all mood related lol. I have the Mesa oversize and I love that cab. 0 complaints. The out of phase comment makes sense. Just thinking about it I can hear why you would say that. I would try your idea if I still had the cab. I want to find this exact speaker and buy though. I have a 412 I had designed specifically for testing speakers against each other. I just need to find one of these! I down sized my cabs from 9 to 2. Due to space.
Where you went wrong is using a Chinese vintage 30 instead of a made im England vintage 30 from mesa, the real speaker. The Chinese vintage 30s lack character.
You know what you should do is compare a bunch of speakers other than vintage 30 s then when you find the best one out of those compare the winner to a vintage 30
That’s actually a really good idea! It would actually be cool to have everyone vote on their favorites and let the people eliminate each one until the finals. I need to get a few more before I can pull that off.
I just got my Squier J5 back from getting some mods done! I also have a Greg Bennett FA2, but I would like an actual Fender! Just gotta find the right one!
The VOTW speakers are best served for doom, sludge, stoner bands and other genres similar to that. And V30's work with almost every genre. VOTW is niche kind of speaker and the V30 is more overall speaker.
That makes a lot of sense. I don’t know why, I’m sure I’m wrong but that VOTW reminds me of the Sheffield 1200. Though, if I compare them I’m sure they’re not even close.
@@tyrannosaurusriffs Could be but from what I heard is the VOTW speakers are designed to work with the Orange Crush Pro series solid state amps. And the Orange PPC 4x12 cabs have the Vintage 30's. They just made a cheaper speaker to go with the solid state amps and Crush Pro 4x12 speaker cabs are smaller than the PPC 4x12's. I like the VOTW speakers they are a lot better than speakers that are into budget cabs. Except Harley Benton they have Vintage 30's in those cabs.
@@watcherzero000now that you say that I feel like I remember reading that at some point. It’s not a bad speaker by any means, just different. Interesting that Jim Root chose that instead of the V30 in this cabinet.
For real. The UK one is so balanced and just sounds very nice. I need to do a UK vs China one. I’m very curious to make one for myself to see the outcome. I’m sure someone has already done it.
@@tyrannosaurusriffs I think Spectre did one, but not sure. I've heard the difference, the Chinese made sounds like it has a wet blanket over it. Mesa does sell the UK speakers individually. That's the only way I know to get them in the US.
Looked some stuff up real quick, so I posted correctly, since you did that V30 vs DV77? the Slipknot speaker that sat so well in the V30 pocket... Emi's V30 alternative is the Governor, maybe a comparison between the two? And, to compete with the Slipknot speaker Celestion developed the Midnight 60. That would be another good vs, imo
@@deangullberry5148I’m super happy you shared the info about the Shadow and Governor! I’ll add those both to my speaker list and work on picking some up when I can!
We could waste another hour in the studio and show that other english guy how LA Woman from vinyl can sound better on tape with a wack Soundblaster and the T-Rex export feature. Namastè.
Paused the video because your channel name is absolute gold lol 🤘🤘🤘
haha thank you! Now enjoy the rest of the video! ;)
thanks for this video. i just bought this same orange cabinet from a friend, i love it, but i was curious about a side by side demo. i dont regret my purchase at all. the tone off these speakers is unique and very brutal.
That is such a cool cab. I miss mine. I downsized to 2 cabs. They’re very unique sounding but I liked it for sure! I’ll get one again one day. Keep enjoying yours!
The votw mix very great with vintage 30's...and oddly enuff, they sound amazing under emg 81's.
Great sounds. i am really liking the VOTW speaker thanks to your recording. Plus the chinese V30 from 2020 up are all great.
Thank you! I appreciate the kind words! V30 is such a great speaker!
Sweet!
Thanks! Now I know why the cr60 combo is so fuzzy in the drive channel while it sounds really great in the clean channel. I'd rather not have the fuzziness coming from the speaker, if I reallly want it I would bring in a fuzz pedal for that occasion.
@@HypnoticValentino yep! Exactly! It took me starting this channel to realize how much the speaker you have matters. It’s why I couldn’t find tones I was happy with prior to this.
Im not gunna lie, the Jim Root Cab was my first 2x12, and I wanted to like it soooo much, and while I loved it's unique look, size, and configuration, there was just something about those Orange Speakers I couldn't get into. I tried so many Amps, and played it everyday for weeks, but they were just bugging me more, and more. Like I almost have never played a speaker that bugged me so much, and I own a lot.
It was also, just for the money that thing costs, and the fact I got it to use in the Studio, and live, I just couldn't bring myself to keep it, and I couldn't just say I'd try other speakers for the money that thing costs, as cool as the Cab itself is. I returned it, and got a Mesa 2x12, and as soon as I played through it, it was a sigh of relief, and it's been a major part of my live, and studio productions ever since.
I dunno, like the first couple days I had the JR, I actually didn't mind it at all, but then it started to become apparent no matter what rig I played through it that the Low end was flubby, and muddy, and the high end was a bit out of control. They almost sound like playing through speakers that are out of Phase or something if that makes sense, so I dunno if it's partly the Cab too, but just thinking now(and it's to late for me to try this), but I always wondered how those speakers would sound in another Cab, and how other speakers would sound in the JR Cab. Maybe you'd be down to try it one day? Just a thought. And not hating on anyone who likes this Cab/Speakers, but I just couldn't bring myself to really like it no matter what I tried.
Cheers bro!
Thanks for the video mate. So helpful. Gonna subscribe now. Great job. You have helped me make a huge decision. V30s for me
Thanks for taking the time to check it out! I’m happy it was helpful. You can’t go wrong with a Vintage 30. That speaker has beyond proven itself. Take care!
Um verdadeiro enxame de abelhas.
Confirmed, I absolutely hate the Voice of the World speakers alone, Attack of the Killer Fizz ... in the mix, the VotW would fix a sludgy dirty doomy sound but for general use ... no thank you.
@@MarcAndreLevesque that’s fair! I can definitely see where you’re coming from with that!
with this mic/mic position...
Tweak those two parameters and everything changes drastically.
I am quite surprised by the relatively "scooped" sound of the VOTW speaker in that Jim Root cab given that Orange heads LIVE in that low mid zone. I mean, I guess that's why Jim uses V30s live (right?).
I'll also say that a Rockerverb & V30 pair would definitely offset what Mick Thomson is doing with his tweaked Omega head and DV-77 speaker. Two guitarists working as a complementary pair is way better than fighting over the same frequency space.
I was shocked, I really thought this would be the opposite. Also makes sense why Orange uses V30’s in so many of their cabinets. I couldn’t agree more. I layered these for a quick second and the 77 fills in that lower midrange of the VOTW really nice! Different sounds that blend rule!
I just realized I’m mixing up my information. My comment on the 77 and VOTW is for next week…..😂
Preferred the V30 isolated, but in the mix the Voice of the World sat better to me. I actually didn't like the VOTW much at all by itself. just goes to show that mix tones often don't sound awesome without their context!
All this really did is confuse me more haha. For some reason the VOTW gives me Sheffield 1200 vibes but they don’t even sound similar
I thought the V30 sounded significantly better in every section of the final mix except the last riff, where it was closer with a slight edge to the VOTW. But the V30 still sounded good in that riff, whereas the majority of the riffs in the final mix didn't sound good to me on the VOTW.
@@PsychedelicCheeseburgersthat last section caught my attention as well. Interesting that I’m not the only person to have heard it that way!
Can you test a combination of both speakers V30 and VOTW? Thanks...
Yes and no. I don’t have the Orange cab with the VOTW speaker anymore but I do have the audio still from the mix in this video. I could put together a RUclips shorts with that mix this week if you’d like! I am doing this going forward with speaker shootouts as well.
VOTW seems like it might be a good speaker for lower tunings (Drop A and Lower)
That would make sense. Especially since Slipknot is generally pretty low tuned. I did like it with my 7 string in drop A!
@@tyrannosaurusriffs yeah it sounds very bright, not bad, but I'd like to hear a pair being pushed by a 5150 into a Drop G# baritone. Bet it sounds brutal.
@@ricksanchezito8972if I had a baritone I’d go for it. Need to pick one up.
@@tyrannosaurusriffs they're a lot of fun if you like down tuned metal. What scale is your 7 string?
@@ricksanchezito897225.5” on my LTD Buz7! It’s the only one of my 3 7’s I even play at this point. I’ve got the Epiphone MKH and LTD 407 as well.
Love Orange PPC V30 n sound pretty good
I agree! That speaker rules.
I love that cab but I did notice I didn’t love it everyday. Some days it was awesome, others days not so much. I’m sure it was all mood related lol. I have the Mesa oversize and I love that cab. 0 complaints. The out of phase comment makes sense. Just thinking about it I can hear why you would say that. I would try your idea if I still had the cab. I want to find this exact speaker and buy though. I have a 412 I had designed specifically for testing speakers against each other. I just need to find one of these! I down sized my cabs from 9 to 2. Due to space.
There are two completely different vintage 30s on the market. England made and Chinese made. They're totally different speakers.
Correct. Same as my last response. I used a 16 ohm Chinese V30 since this speaker was also a 16 ohm.
The VOTW doesn’t sound as fizzy as the V30.
sub, save, like etc. Great sounds
You rule!
Were the speakers used new? Or are these the tones we should expect from those speakers broken in?
Both cabinets/speakers were bought used so I'm assuming they were broken in.
awesome, thanks for taking the time to reply!@@tyrannosaurusriffs
@@moksha7740 anytime! Hit me up whenever if you ever have questions!
You recommend the standard Orange cab over the Jim root?
I've only played the Jim Root cab and PPC112 so I couldn't say on the standard! I would like to own one though!
@@tyrannosaurusriffs You like the Jim Root?
@@aaron9142 I do! I wish I wouldn't have sold it. I had 9 cabs when I filmed this and currently am down to 3.
@@tyrannosaurusriffs Well, I just scored one from Reverb. Maybe we could make a deal if I don't like it.
@@aaron9142 rad! It's a pretty cool cab! Very unique sounding.
The V30 has a much cleaner sound than the VOTW. IMHO. Having said that, I think the VOTW is a very good sounding speaker.
Agree on all fronts. Time and place for each speaker!
I’m pretty sure you could eq your amp to get them pretty similar.
Most likely!
As a fan of filthy stoner metal sounds, I actually prefer the VOTW clips.
As you should! Haha I like queens of the Stone Age riffs on it.
Where you went wrong is using a Chinese vintage 30 instead of a made im England vintage 30 from mesa, the real speaker. The Chinese vintage 30s lack character.
Correct. I actually would like to do a video comparing the two. I did the Chinese one due to it being a 16 ohm like this speaker.
You know what you should do is compare a bunch of speakers other than vintage 30 s then when you find the best one out of those compare the winner to a vintage 30
That’s actually a really good idea! It would actually be cool to have everyone vote on their favorites and let the people eliminate each one until the finals. I need to get a few more before I can pull that off.
@@tyrannosaurusriffs also I'm curious as to wat the celestion seventy 80 sounds like with high gain
@@DurkheadI am as well, keeping an eye out for a used one of those.
Dude, you nee a Telacaster in your quiver. 🙂
I just got my Squier J5 back from getting some mods done! I also have a Greg Bennett FA2, but I would like an actual Fender! Just gotta find the right one!
The VOTW speakers are best served for doom, sludge, stoner bands and other genres similar to that. And V30's work with almost every genre. VOTW is niche kind of speaker and the V30 is more overall speaker.
That makes a lot of sense. I don’t know why, I’m sure I’m wrong but that VOTW reminds me of the Sheffield 1200. Though, if I compare them I’m sure they’re not even close.
@@tyrannosaurusriffs Could be but from what I heard is the VOTW speakers are designed to work with the Orange Crush Pro series solid state amps. And the Orange PPC 4x12 cabs have the Vintage 30's. They just made a cheaper speaker to go with the solid state amps and Crush Pro 4x12 speaker cabs are smaller than the PPC 4x12's. I like the VOTW speakers they are a lot better than speakers that are into budget cabs. Except Harley Benton they have Vintage 30's in those cabs.
@@watcherzero000now that you say that I feel like I remember reading that at some point. It’s not a bad speaker by any means, just different. Interesting that Jim Root chose that instead of the V30 in this cabinet.
What it is to burn!
My guy!
The more of these VS vids you do , the more I'm convinced the V30 (proper UK made, not Chinesium) is one of, if not THE best rhythm speaker.
For real. The UK one is so balanced and just sounds very nice. I need to do a UK vs China one. I’m very curious to make one for myself to see the outcome. I’m sure someone has already done it.
@@tyrannosaurusriffs I think Spectre did one, but not sure. I've heard the difference, the Chinese made sounds like it has a wet blanket over it. Mesa does sell the UK speakers individually. That's the only way I know to get them in the US.
Looked some stuff up real quick, so I posted correctly, since you did that V30 vs DV77? the Slipknot speaker that sat so well in the V30 pocket...
Emi's V30 alternative is the Governor, maybe a comparison between the two?
And, to compete with the Slipknot speaker Celestion developed the Midnight 60. That would be another good vs, imo
@@deangullberry5148I’m super happy you shared the info about the Shadow and Governor! I’ll add those both to my speaker list and work on picking some up when I can!
I just can’t get past the sound of active pick ups
I go back and forth. I was active only for a long time, switched to passive for a few years and have been playing with Fishman now for a bit.
VOTW almost sounds more like a DV77 to me
Just wait until next week. That video is coming right up!
We could waste another hour in the studio and show that other english guy how LA Woman from vinyl can sound better on tape with a wack Soundblaster and the T-Rex export feature. Namastè.
I’m game. Let’s roll.
Vintage 30 sound thin compared to the Orange.
The orange has more power it could blow your head off
I may do a video comparing the VOTW to the Sheffield 1200. I don't know why but it gives me those vibes.
@@tyrannosaurusriffs interesting would be against the Hesu Demon I got those
@@motivation3000 definitely! The Hesu Demon, Eminence Swamp Thang and Eminence Texas Heat are currently the top of my list.
Vintage 30, it's not even close.
That speaker will probably remain king in the rock/metal world forever.
I would take the VOTW if only to spite the V30. I can't stand that speaker.
🤣🤣🤣 what’s your favorite speaker?
@@tyrannosaurusriffs hands down the Celestion T75 but really, I am too poor to be picky. Just as long as the cab is loud I can make it work for me.
I like your style! I need to try that speaker. So many to get my hands on! That one seems to be a love or hate