Doug what about floats in position? Should we ever be accounting for potential floats in villains range in position looking to steal on future streets? Does that dynamic support a case of calling a higher percentage of the time than folding. Villian is repping sets or ak. Sets are very unlikely to flop percentage wise, and Coleman blocks AA. Doesn't this lean more towards bluffs? I agree flatting preflop is better to prevent AA from being face up, but given the way played dont you think this should always be a face palm call or else you're exploitable. Even though we block the flush draws. Thoughts?
Hey doug quick question as i am just a recreational player,but have you heard of a poker site confiscating players money after they try to withdraw the funds because they where won from freerolls?
Doug if you want to improve your poker come to our home game tournament. You will get stacked with 2 hours. We been playing same tourny every thursday for 18 years. If a pro game to our game they would realize how shitty pros really are. You would be a feeder fish to us. no pro would stand a chance we are just to good. Pros actually suck at poker that is why they never win the WSOP main event.
Colman said on Joey's podcast that this was a "once in a lifetime spot" given the money at stake, that Seiver was winning a lot in the game and unquestionably deviated from an optimal strategy so that he would never bluff there. That's the fundamental difference of approach compared to Doug, who doesn't want to make assumptions about how his opponent plays.
Michael Trumph no he shouldn’t because when you get AA in a cash game you want to exploit them, there’s no flush or straight on the board he only can have trips because he wouldn’t call like 20 grand pre-flop with K9, so he played really well, he just got bad luck
Gotta mention that 4bettings 9s works at a pro level, but surely not at microstakes online. People just ain't 3betting light enough at an amateur level.
The main factor in this scenario isn't so much the stakes or playing ability of the people involved, it's how deep the stacks are, when you are only 100 BB deep 4-betting with 9's isn't really a great play as you are likely pot committing yourself on the flop, not a great spot to be in with just a pair of 9's. When you are this deep however you have more options. You can raise with the 9's and still be in a position where you can see a flop with the right implied odds to hit your set and giving yourself an easy fold if your opponent 5 bets, so the 4-bet is not a good play if your only 100BB deep but when your about 500BB deeps then it's a good move.
KK AA 4-betting as a bluff with 88, 99 is probably about the worse move you could make with 100bb. You shouldn't be bluffing with hands that have showdown value, 88 or 99 into a bluff and reopening up the betting gives your opponent the opportunity to jam on you. Now you've lost all showdown value and all draw potential. It would be okay to 4-bet jam if you were in a tournament with only 40-50 bb but doing it for 100 bb you are only ever getting action from premium hands or rebluffed by hands that you are beating.
I absolutely loved your analysis on this hand. In fact, I love your channel and listening to you go through all the scenarios. You are brilliant. I have much to learn from you.
Doug you are truely one of my favorite poker players. I know that you don’t like tournaments much but I would love for you to stream some as I found ur tournaments streams the most enjoyable to watch. It’s like watching shroud play counter strike or ninja play fortnite, the best of the best. Keep up the great work peace
lol at scott trying his hardest to give all fake live tells. I actually think Dan is a pretty deep thinker and may have picked up on this as a reverse tell.
If he doesn’t get stacks when he flops a set then he has to fold to the 5 bet pre or else it’s -ev. Well played postflop although I agree with your logic about pre. Never played this deep so never thought about it.
I think AK is a better call on the river than AA, and that was why Coleman folded. Though I think suit blockers are relevant here as well. FWIW, I think Scott plays AA this way preflop nearly every time, and that Coleman plays KK, and AK as a mixed freq preflop.
You are right of course on the river AK would be a better call ( but I probably would call in that kind of spot more than enough to loose a lot of money , guess that is why I"m broke ) It is just hard to fold AA no matter how good you get -specially in the river ( where you have already bet a lot of money)
I mean, your poker theories are top notch, but my question is, how do you avoid the bad beat? Specifically, how do you 5 bet AA, get a call, and get away after the flop or turn when your opponent just barrels every street?
I know when he bought some at 10 k , and most he probably bought at the price that they are now so I don't know, but he is OK I think, Just has some millions less than a couple of month's ago (a lot of millions less) . Plus he is smart and probably has money saved somewhere other than in crypto so he will be alright even if cryptocurency goes to 0 right now or at least that is what he would have done if he is as smart as I think.
Hey Doug. I've read Super Systems 1 and 2 and Daniel's Power Holdem. But are there any strategy books you can recommend that are relevant to the current meta of the game? Mainly tournament holdem?
What about min-raise 5-bet when super deep-stacked like this? It lets you grow the pot a little bit when you have a premium hand, but it allows you to work in weaker holdings into your range.
8:50 Did Doug just suggest that folding KK Preflop would be a good decision playing this deep ? I did not expect him to say that. This basically means you could easily shove preflop against doug this deep knowing he would only call you off with aces.
Great video! I’m so torn on whether or not I like Colman’s 5bet Pre flop now. I think I still lean a bit toward the 5bet tho. I get what you’re saying about how it makes his hand transparent, but id also say the transparency of his hand saved him quite a bit of money in this spot. He knows that seiver knows he has aces, and I doubt seiver thinks he’s getting Colman to fold aces very often on such a dry board. I think seiver almost always has value in this spot given how it was played up until the river, and it’s clear Colman knows this when he puts him on kings. Plus, you’re always going to have the best hand Pre flop, so getting more money in while you’re ahead isn’t bad, and although folding out seiver’s weaker hands Pre flop might lose a bit of value on later streets, it also prevents them from getting there a lot of the time (except this time I guess). Sure, Colman is going to be fairly unbalanced, but I’m not entirely convinced that makes this exact spot less profitable. I’d love your input on this! Great videos man, keep em coming!
I’ve started to pause these videos everytime Doug is about to talk so I can try to argue for my «would be play» before Doug just melts my world. (Btw these insanely deep stack ranges are so cool!)
True but the shortest stack in this hand is the equivalent of buying in for 1.5K in the 1-2 game. Ranges should become just as polarized if not more polarized assuming 3 bet ranges are tighter. Poker is always relevant to blinds not X money.
I actually was in a somewhat similar spot a couple of weeks ago in a 1/3 game. I was in EP with KK in a multiway pot against a massive 5-bet All in from UTG. I nearly foldet KK the first time ever pre. But because UTG was carzy and did some stupid plays before I called and won a massive pot :D
CheapSofa he didn't show. After I called I asked him if he had Aces. He said no. I showed my Kings. There was a Queen on the flop which I obviously hated after a guy shoved about 250 BB multiway UTG vs a UTG+2 3-bet and a cold call of the 3-bet by a tight player with a big stack but after the river he just mucked and I didn't wannt to ask after winning the second large pot from him that night. The BB who 4-bet shoved about 100$ also mucked.
I would highly reccommend 5 betting small like Coleman did in this hand. How would Calling aces preflop improve postflop play? If you ask me, in this particular situation, Coleman would have more incentive to call the river as he underrepped his hand pre. So 5-betting pre allowed him here to get away. I would assume that in this spot, having all these bigs in play, there's less incentive to bluff in Scott's shoes if he doesn't have it. So yea. Mainly five bet aces pre, bet the flop, call the turn then fold to the ocasional river shove. Seems perfectly fine to me.
Big mistake preflop, totally agree with your assessment. Better flat and reduce losses. If you replay the hand with Coleman calling each bet he could have had a reasonable showdown rather than folding. How many times can you fold aces on a rainbow board. ?
If you say there is no solution to having to choose between folding and calling with AA in this spot then what's the point of mixing in A5, KQ etc? I know our opponents will have slightly more difficulty pinning our range, but if you admit it's only about calling vs folding in this spot then I don't see the point of mixing in other hands to our 5-betting range.
Dan having AA and blocking the nut fd on the turn is pretty significant and should lead him to an easy fold otr. You can even argue that removing half the Ax combos should probably lead Dan to fold ott
This video is an example of why Doug Polk is one of the best poker players in the world. The fact that Doug is constructing a range that includes the strongest hands to x/call turn, and that this analysis is as old as it is, speaks volumes for the level Polk has been playing at for years. #unexploitable
TBH, when I watch this kind of deep poker analysis, I always wonder the same thing: How can finely tuning your ranges, and the lines you take with said ranges, really matter all that much unless you are playing the same opponents for hundreds of hours? When I play at a table for 2-3 hours, I might get a very general idea of who's loose and who's tight, but I have no idea their precise ranges and strategies, and feel safe to assume they have no idea about mine. Obviously, players are rarely showing what they have or making it to showdown, so I would have to be at a table with the same players for several days before I would have any real idea about their precise style, or get any real benefit from cleverly disguising my own. Is this poker theory mainly relevant to pros, because they play the same players all the time?
Ranges mainly apply to value hands, not bluffs. Just thinking about it that way Doug has a good point about not betting continually with AA preflop because it begins to seem obvious what you have. That player prior knowledge stuff is delusional crap.
I guess my confusion comes in that most hands are mucked and I don't really know what my opponent's tendency is. How do you deal with that in live games?
Nice hand, liked the analysis. I disagree that Scott cannot have Aces in this spot, because he can easily call a 5bet in position this deep with all of his range.
I missed the good old days when Doug played high stakes/tourneys on twitch what happened? Seems like all the big poker streamers left at the same time Jcarver, Elky, Jamie, etc.
the thing with seiver though is that a lot of what he does is for the purpose of balancing. So like, he definitely knew he was behind, but im pretty sure hes calling for balance, where he knows folding is more profitable most of te time
when Dan asked Scott if he had Ks, he could've said with a straight face that he didn't, which leads me to think why nobody at the poker table lie about the hand they have. btw, Ks could've been in Dan's range as well and he was setting a trap for Scott - how come this wasn't analysed??
Doug...At about 24:30 you mentioned the ace of clubs with aces and encouraged calling? Did I hear this right? Could you please tell me why the ace of clubs is pertinent?
Clubs are the only suit that wasn't on the flop. Coleman wants his oppenent to have the ace of diamonds or hearts in his hand because that would have given him a back-door nut flush draw on the flop. The fact that Coleman has two red aces means that some of the bluffs that Siever could have are eliminated and makes the likelihood of him actually having a good hand go up.
i know this is probably going to get a lot of hate but Coleman should just fold the turn as played from exploitative standpoint. Since Seiver puts him on AA a very high freq, he is never betting 1/2 pot on the turn to give up river. additionally, this sizing from Seizer should never be AK. Maybe it could be the other two aces, but thats about it, and even that is a stretch.
Thank you Doug! What should we do in this situation on the river if the stakes are deaper and Scott is pushing pot or even over the pot? And what should we do if the size of betting on the river is just 1/4 or 1/6 of the pot?
Hey Doug - I know you're taking a break from Poker at the mo but it would be really interesting to see you do a review of the recent 'Garret Aldenstein' bluff hands on Live at the Bike. They're very big decisions, (joe Ingram has done a podcast on them), but I can't help feeling that they may have both been wrong. How many times is his Set of tens not good? Even against a 2x pot bet? Hope you're well and ty for all your content. BEst
I think Seiver 4-bet is because there are still many people behind him, especially the open-raiser Robl there. If Seiver call, someone behind 4-bet, he could be in a difficult decision. Now when he 4-bet, he can get fold equity or at least isolate Colman.
Great video. Always tough to fold bullets. I do agree his bet at the flop was the most important bet. Now you that you're done with vacation and banged out a poker video, see you at crypto, yes?
If Coleman flats does he lose more or less? I think they get it all in if he flats instead of 5-bet. I think Coleman puts his range at AK/AQ/KQ/KK instead of just KK. Either way don't disagree with the overall suggested strategy for this game in particular I just think there's an option to increase your 5-bet raising range just as his opponent has increased his 5-bet calling range. I also don't like the call by Seiver on the flop with how Dan is playing this. To your point he only has AA or maybe AK, in which Dan is not folding on the flop. The more streets to come the better fold equity for Dan.
What does Doug mean when he says "when you're playing this many blinds deep, you don't have to go with hands like Kings or Aces"? I'm not sure I understand what the logic is there, why does the amount of blinds devalue a hand like KK?
He means that the deeper the stacks go, the more action that occurs preflop is going to be heavily weighted towards monster pairs, specifically if you are 4 or 5 betting pf you must include aces and kings in that range.
Thanks for the great analysis Doug! I think Colman's 5bet should have been for at least 20% of Seiver's stack in order to put Seiver to a tougher decision pre-flop, and narrow Seiver's range.
If you're basically face-up here 99% of the time with that 5-bet, don't you have to call against a strong player almost 100% of the time? Since, presumably, their bluff % is going to increase quite a bit on most boards with a Queen or King.
i like all the what if situations and possibilities, but i yet to see a hand this big when some1 is soo good and willing to risk soo much to play against turned over AA as if they really had a set. ive never seen it in cg because i think it doesnt really happen except very very rarely
Lets say he flats the 24. Sure he doesn’t donk lead the flop. Prob goes check, check. Then he prob leads out for about 35k. Sure Scott raises to about 95-115. Coleman calls. River he checks and Scott bets about 200. Sure witj that brick on the river and his hand being so disguised he calls that bet. Probably saved himself about 100k. Think it was a really good fold. Scott is basically putting in 75k set mining. Sometimes you just get out flopped and with a the runout is like this....
kevinboo2000 that’s what I thought too. I was surprised when Doug said it was already on the high side. I think if he goes more around 4x, he controls the hand a lot more. Obviously his hand in particular isn’t the best example, but long term, out of position, I like a little bit bigger 5 bet as well
He thought he was good , didn''t want to lose a costumer/ Wanted to keep him in that pot (but with more information from Seiver (his bets and sizes maybe some tell he got from him ) made him convinced that his AA are no good and folded (a nice fold may I add , one I would have trouble laying down) .
I guess Colman bumping it again preflop is announcing to the world “I have AA.” I still would try to get it all-in preflop cause I’m “old school” and really don’t trust myself to play it profitably post flop. I don’t know, I guess I got a lot to learn. Seriously, is just calling preflop with AA here standard? Especially when you consider Colman doesn’t have position post flop?
Same here lol, but it was very standard play watching that so i wasn't really sure. The bottom line he very agrees with both player but somewhat got deeper in every player's action in every street which I like. Gj doug
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Doug what about floats in position? Should we ever be accounting for potential floats in villains range in position looking to steal on future streets?
Does that dynamic support a case of calling a higher percentage of the time than folding. Villian is repping sets or ak. Sets are very unlikely to flop percentage wise, and Coleman blocks AA. Doesn't this lean more towards bluffs?
I agree flatting preflop is better to prevent AA from being face up, but given the way played dont you think this should always be a face palm call or else you're exploitable. Even though we block the flush draws. Thoughts?
Hey doug quick question as i am just a recreational player,but have you heard of a poker site confiscating players money after they try to withdraw the funds because they where won from freerolls?
legend has it doug polk will comeback to the crypto world
Doug if you want to improve your poker come to our home game tournament. You will get stacked with 2 hours. We been playing same tourny every thursday for 18 years. If a pro game to our game they would realize how shitty pros really are. You would be a feeder fish to us. no pro would stand a chance we are just to good. Pros actually suck at poker that is why they never win the WSOP main event.
Doug Polk be shilling A5s as a potential bluff every chance he gets
Because it is good hand to 3bet bluff
if i 3 bet that hand at my local casino, they will simply jam into me
@@rockwithyou2006 then 3 bet 9s plus and call the jam you will be profitable long term lol, silly fish
@@battlingphoenix3847 lol kid. You won’t last an hour in the place I play. Your bankroll won’t support it.
@@rockwithyou2006 you’re the one who is crying that his 3 bets are exploited. This isn’t about me fish fish
Colman said on Joey's podcast that this was a "once in a lifetime spot" given the money at stake, that Seiver was winning a lot in the game and unquestionably deviated from an optimal strategy so that he would never bluff there. That's the fundamental difference of approach compared to Doug, who doesn't want to make assumptions about how his opponent plays.
Colman should have went all in pre flop.
Michael Trumph no he shouldn’t because when you get AA in a cash game you want to exploit them, there’s no flush or straight on the board he only can have trips because he wouldn’t call like 20 grand pre-flop with K9, so he played really well, he just got bad luck
Oh that makes sence he doesn't need to balance his range because the chance of this happening is so small
Gotta mention that 4bettings 9s works at a pro level, but surely not at microstakes online. People just ain't 3betting light enough at an amateur level.
The main factor in this scenario isn't so much the stakes or playing ability of the people involved, it's how deep the stacks are, when you are only 100 BB deep 4-betting with 9's isn't really a great play as you are likely pot committing yourself on the flop, not a great spot to be in with just a pair of 9's.
When you are this deep however you have more options. You can raise with the 9's and still be in a position where you can see a flop with the right implied odds to hit your set and giving yourself an easy fold if your opponent 5 bets, so the 4-bet is not a good play if your only 100BB deep but when your about 500BB deeps then it's a good move.
even if ess is about 100bb, it can be meaningful to sometimes 4bet bluff w/ 8's, 9's, etc.
KK AA 4-betting as a bluff with 88, 99 is probably about the worse move you could make with 100bb. You shouldn't be bluffing with hands that have showdown value, 88 or 99 into a bluff and reopening up the betting gives your opponent the opportunity to jam on you. Now you've lost all showdown value and all draw potential.
It would be okay to 4-bet jam if you were in a tournament with only 40-50 bb but doing it for 100 bb you are only ever getting action from premium hands or rebluffed by hands that you are beating.
thanks vanessa.
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Have you considered rehanding these polkers to naming videos?
I had a stroke reading this. Well done.
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I've never spent 26 full minutes trying not to look at a bright red tank top covering a marshmallow
Have you thought about going back in time and telling your ancestors to change their last name to Poker?
Dick Chappy that's a good idea but how about naming the show "polker hands"
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I absolutely loved your analysis on this hand. In fact, I love your channel and listening to you go through all the scenarios. You are brilliant. I have much to learn from you.
Doug you are truely one of my favorite poker players. I know that you don’t like tournaments much but I would love for you to stream some as I found ur tournaments streams the most enjoyable to watch. It’s like watching shroud play counter strike or ninja play fortnite, the best of the best. Keep up the great work peace
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lol at scott trying his hardest to give all fake live tells. I actually think Dan is a pretty deep thinker and may have picked up on this as a reverse tell.
yeah lol, the reason I even noticed it is cause ive done the same shit before and probably looked just as stupid too LOL
Good players don't waste their time on live tells
epicpurevids Dan is a GTO online player, his thinking probably very similar to Dougs on river. He pukes into shirt before even looking at Scott
Lol that is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. Live tells are a huge part of poker bud.
His acting is terrible lol
If he doesn’t get stacks when he flops a set then he has to fold to the 5 bet pre or else it’s -ev. Well played postflop although I agree with your logic about pre. Never played this deep so never thought about it.
I think AK is a better call on the river than AA, and that was why Coleman folded. Though I think suit blockers are relevant here as well. FWIW, I think Scott plays AA this way preflop nearly every time, and that Coleman plays KK, and AK as a mixed freq preflop.
You are right of course on the river AK would be a better call ( but I probably would call in that kind of spot more than enough to loose a lot of money , guess that is why I"m broke ) It is just hard to fold AA no matter how good you get -specially in the river ( where you have already bet a lot of money)
hey firefight what is ur iq level?
ak is an instant fold aa here he should call considering their playing for luck and its obv his best range was k9 cc
Wow, I agreed with everything Doug said this episode. I must be dreaming.
What do you do if you have the A of clubs and the A of hearts??
Always tough folding AA, but you have to do it, still looking for the Oliver Hudson and Sam Farha WSOP hand
I mean, your poker theories are top notch, but my question is, how do you avoid the bad beat? Specifically, how do you 5 bet AA, get a call, and get away after the flop or turn when your opponent just barrels every street?
Doug I heard about Bitcoin. If you need to borrow money we can talk about staking you. Let me know. Thanks bud.
Even if he put all of his money into bitcoin, it would have been way before the current price, ergo he is still way in the green, at this moment.
Hodl the shorts
I know when he bought some at 10 k , and most he probably bought at the price that they are now so I don't know, but he is OK I think, Just has some millions less than a couple of month's ago (a lot of millions less) .
Plus he is smart and probably has money saved somewhere other than in crypto so he will be alright even if cryptocurency goes to 0 right now or at least that is what he would have done if he is as smart as I think.
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@@edide1627 back to 10k
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I don't know man, but to me it sounds like he could have saved 250k chips by just folding his AA preflop.
stfu
wetard.
False. 5 bet jam all in pre. And show your cards. He’ll fold and you scoop the pot.
lovin the old hair and the stylish tanktop, its a true dougy
Hey Doug. I've read Super Systems 1 and 2 and Daniel's Power Holdem. But are there any strategy books you can recommend that are relevant to the current meta of the game? Mainly tournament holdem?
Why was the Tom Dwan bluff with QT vs Barry Greenstein removed?
Love the throwback to the "that said" era ;)
when crypto tanks, the poker videos return
Yeah, what's wrong with that?
Makes perfect sense
All the crypto boys are laughing now. I'm crying btw
The most skill to me came when Seiver didn’t smile when Colman tried to guess what he had!
Seiver was sucking a lot of wind tho lol.
What about min-raise 5-bet when super deep-stacked like this? It lets you grow the pot a little bit when you have a premium hand, but it allows you to work in weaker holdings into your range.
Doug is the best poker player as of right now. To bad your courses are so expensive I would take them all.
Gold from Doug. Absolute gold.
8:50 Did Doug just suggest that folding KK Preflop would be a good decision playing this deep ? I did not expect him to say that. This basically means you could easily shove preflop against doug this deep knowing he would only call you off with aces.
No, he said you don't have to stack off 100% of the time when you're playing that deep. He never said to fold it.
Hey Doug I just bought your post flop game plan from your site.I think that revolutionized my game. Thanks a million
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Great video! I’m so torn on whether or not I like Colman’s 5bet Pre flop now. I think I still lean a bit toward the 5bet tho. I get what you’re saying about how it makes his hand transparent, but id also say the transparency of his hand saved him quite a bit of money in this spot. He knows that seiver knows he has aces, and I doubt seiver thinks he’s getting Colman to fold aces very often on such a dry board. I think seiver almost always has value in this spot given how it was played up until the river, and it’s clear Colman knows this when he puts him on kings. Plus, you’re always going to have the best hand Pre flop, so getting more money in while you’re ahead isn’t bad, and although folding out seiver’s weaker hands Pre flop might lose a bit of value on later streets, it also prevents them from getting there a lot of the time (except this time I guess). Sure, Colman is going to be fairly unbalanced, but I’m not entirely convinced that makes this exact spot less profitable. I’d love your input on this! Great videos man, keep em coming!
I’ve started to pause these videos everytime Doug is about to talk so I can try to argue for my «would be play» before Doug just melts my world.
(Btw these insanely deep stack ranges are so cool!)
CheapSofa imagine 5 bet folding in a 1-2 game lol
True but the shortest stack in this hand is the equivalent of buying in for 1.5K in the 1-2 game. Ranges should become just as polarized if not more polarized assuming 3 bet ranges are tighter. Poker is always relevant to blinds not X money.
I actually was in a somewhat similar spot a couple of weeks ago in a 1/3 game. I was in EP with KK in a multiway pot against a massive 5-bet All in from UTG. I nearly foldet KK the first time ever pre. But because UTG was carzy and did some stupid plays before I called and won a massive pot :D
Troll Em' All What did the maniac show?
CheapSofa he didn't show. After I called I asked him if he had Aces. He said no. I showed my Kings. There was a Queen on the flop which I obviously hated after a guy shoved about 250 BB multiway UTG vs a UTG+2 3-bet and a cold call of the 3-bet by a tight player with a big stack but after the river he just mucked and I didn't wannt to ask after winning the second large pot from him that night. The BB who 4-bet shoved about 100$ also mucked.
I would highly reccommend 5 betting small like Coleman did in this hand. How would Calling aces preflop improve postflop play? If you ask me, in this particular situation, Coleman would have more incentive to call the river as he underrepped his hand pre. So 5-betting pre allowed him here to get away. I would assume that in this spot, having all these bigs in play, there's less incentive to bluff in Scott's shoes if he doesn't have it. So yea. Mainly five bet aces pre, bet the flop, call the turn then fold to the ocasional river shove. Seems perfectly fine to me.
Doug. We NEED more strategy videos like this. WERE HUNGRY!
Bring back Polker Hands Doug. Give the people what they need
Big mistake preflop, totally agree with your assessment. Better flat and reduce losses. If you replay the hand with Coleman calling each bet he could have had a reasonable showdown rather than folding. How many times can you fold aces on a rainbow board. ?
Does anyone know if Doug’s review for the Dwan/Greenstein hand he alluded to at the end is still available? I can’t find it.
Yes back with poker hands. Keep it up really enjoy this.
If you say there is no solution to having to choose between folding and calling with AA in this spot then what's the point of mixing in A5, KQ etc? I know our opponents will have slightly more difficulty pinning our range, but if you admit it's only about calling vs folding in this spot then I don't see the point of mixing in other hands to our 5-betting range.
You Made some really good points regarding 5 bet situation preflop,think i am going to change up my strategy a little bit ON such situations...
Seiver has such a massive tell here.
He's breathing like he just sprinted a mile while he's deciding to make his all-in bet.
He's trying to represent a bluff.
Then it's a reverse tell and an easy fold for Coleman.
Yes always fold aces preflop best way to play them
Brian Chamberland not always I'd say about 50% of the time to keep your range balanced with them
gotta have pot odds and implied oddzz and things need to add up to pi.
always. especially when ur playing donks 99.99999% of world left
Always jam, so you're either ahead when the money goes in or you win the pot!
Speaking of Robl, are you willing to analyze quad 9s vs quad Qs Robl vs Lewis?
Great explanation Doug. You really force me to approach the game differently than I’m used to.
I look back on these videos fondly, good times; [insert joke about polker and poker sounding similar here]
polker and poker sound similar
I never thot of that before
Harbz?? More like: shards. as in. SHARDED my pants. Beeeeetch
Dan having AA and blocking the nut fd on the turn is pretty significant and should lead him to an easy fold otr. You can even argue that removing half the Ax combos should probably lead Dan to fold ott
That Seiver's breathing gave me Anxiety ! 😂😂😂
It's understandable that this episode was lost. Too bad you found it.
Guys my english is not very good. Flush draw means a project to make a flush?
Yes
Vanessa’s right about the spot. She always had great video content! Keep it up Vanessa
This video is an example of why Doug Polk is one of the best poker players in the world.
The fact that Doug is constructing a range that includes the strongest hands to x/call turn, and that this analysis is as old as it is, speaks volumes for the level Polk has been playing at for years.
#unexploitable
either flat pot control or all in preflop. that's how u avoid cracking AA
TBH, when I watch this kind of deep poker analysis, I always wonder the same thing: How can finely tuning your ranges, and the lines you take with said ranges, really matter all that much unless you are playing the same opponents for hundreds of hours? When I play at a table for 2-3 hours, I might get a very general idea of who's loose and who's tight, but I have no idea their precise ranges and strategies, and feel safe to assume they have no idea about mine. Obviously, players are rarely showing what they have or making it to showdown, so I would have to be at a table with the same players for several days before I would have any real idea about their precise style, or get any real benefit from cleverly disguising my own. Is this poker theory mainly relevant to pros, because they play the same players all the time?
Ranges mainly apply to value hands, not bluffs. Just thinking about it that way Doug has a good point about not betting continually with AA preflop because it begins to seem obvious what you have. That player prior knowledge stuff
is delusional crap.
When you are 300+ bbs deep KK becomes a set mining hand
@Piotr Dembowy Obviously it doesn't 🤦♂️
I guess my confusion comes in that most hands are mucked and I don't really know what my opponent's tendency is. How do you deal with that in live games?
Nice hand, liked the analysis. I disagree that Scott cannot have Aces in this spot, because he can easily call a 5bet in position this deep with all of his range.
Why do u wear a workout vest when u don't workout?
Awesome video, Doug. Just reinforced my thought process on this and taught me a few things too. You da best.
I missed the good old days when Doug played high stakes/tourneys on twitch what happened? Seems like all the big poker streamers left at the same time Jcarver, Elky, Jamie, etc.
Doug, your audio mix on this one is off. Can barely hear you but AJ Benza is coming in loud and clear.
the thing with seiver though is that a lot of what he does is for the purpose of balancing. So like, he definitely knew he was behind, but im pretty sure hes calling for balance, where he knows folding is more profitable most of te time
when Dan asked Scott if he had Ks, he could've said with a straight face that he didn't, which leads me to think why nobody at the poker table lie about the hand they have.
btw, Ks could've been in Dan's range as well and he was setting a trap for Scott - how come this wasn't analysed??
Doug...At about 24:30 you mentioned the ace of clubs with aces and encouraged calling? Did I hear this right? Could you please tell me why the ace of clubs is pertinent?
Clubs are the only suit that wasn't on the flop. Coleman wants his oppenent to have the ace of diamonds or hearts in his hand because that would have given him a back-door nut flush draw on the flop. The fact that Coleman has two red aces means that some of the bluffs that Siever could have are eliminated and makes the likelihood of him actually having a good hand go up.
i know this is probably going to get a lot of hate but Coleman should just fold the turn as played from exploitative standpoint. Since Seiver puts him on AA a very high freq, he is never betting 1/2 pot on the turn to give up river. additionally, this sizing from Seizer should never be AK. Maybe it could be the other two aces, but thats about it, and even that is a stretch.
Hey Doug what video games if any do you play? Like PS4 or what?
Thank you Doug! What should we do in this situation on the river if the stakes are deaper and Scott is pushing pot or even over the pot? And what should we do if the size of betting on the river is just 1/4 or 1/6 of the pot?
Hey Doug - I know you're taking a break from Poker at the mo but it would be really interesting to see you do a review of the recent 'Garret Aldenstein' bluff hands on Live at the Bike.
They're very big decisions, (joe Ingram has done a podcast on them), but I can't help feeling that they may have both been wrong. How many times is his Set of tens not good? Even against a 2x pot bet?
Hope you're well and ty for all your content.
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Link to Doug's analysis of the Dwan v Greenstein hand mentioned at the end of the vid?
@Piotr Dembowy same with your response.
@@dippy9119 poor excuse, Little Peter..
Your proudness blinds you!
@Piotr Dembowy ..
He didn't get your message!
It really comes down to Colman knowing that Scott is only putting him on AA, KK, or AK. So it's hard to believe he would pick this spot to bluff
Scott has a massive tell at 20:46. Dude just can't control himself. His smile basically screams, "No, kings aren't the only set I can have!"
Except for that turn check, Siever himself must have been afraid of KK based on the preflop action. That K flopped saved Colman a bit of money.
I think Seiver 4-bet is because there are still many people behind him, especially the open-raiser Robl there. If Seiver call, someone behind 4-bet, he could be in a difficult decision. Now when he 4-bet, he can get fold equity or at least isolate Colman.
Dougie polkz gettin bit by the "wsop right around the corner and crypto is on life support" bug, huh?
Ph0nics yeah, that's why I recorded this 18 months ago
Doug Polk Poker Man, a time traveling bug! Scary.
Lol I'm just busting balls. Love your content, on all 3 channels.
He has 3 channels? O.o
Ph0nics yes rip to that
great fold by Coleman. Hard to think Seiver would shove with anything thats not beating AA, under those circumstances.
Why would it make sense to call with the ace of clubs. I don't get it. can someone please explain? Sorry I'm a poker newbie.
long but worth it! tight analysis
i think they are great friends and he knew he wasn’t bluffing him. no one folds that on that board
Glad you posted this one. This was really interesting analysis. Thank you.
Thanks Doug nice vid keep em rolln !
Great video. Always tough to fold bullets. I do agree his bet at the flop was the most important bet. Now you that you're done with vacation and banged out a poker video, see you at crypto, yes?
If Coleman flats does he lose more or less? I think they get it all in if he flats instead of 5-bet. I think Coleman puts his range at AK/AQ/KQ/KK instead of just KK. Either way don't disagree with the overall suggested strategy for this game in particular I just think there's an option to increase your 5-bet raising range just as his opponent has increased his 5-bet calling range.
I also don't like the call by Seiver on the flop with how Dan is playing this. To your point he only has AA or maybe AK, in which Dan is not folding on the flop. The more streets to come the better fold equity for Dan.
What does Doug mean when he says "when you're playing this many blinds deep, you don't have to go with hands like Kings or Aces"? I'm not sure I understand what the logic is there, why does the amount of blinds devalue a hand like KK?
He means that the deeper the stacks go, the more action that occurs preflop is going to be heavily weighted towards monster pairs, specifically if you are 4 or 5 betting pf you must include aces and kings in that range.
Thanks for the great analysis Doug! I think Colman's 5bet should have been for at least 20% of Seiver's stack in order to put Seiver to a tougher decision pre-flop, and narrow Seiver's range.
If you're basically face-up here 99% of the time with that 5-bet, don't you have to call against a strong player almost 100% of the time? Since, presumably, their bluff % is going to increase quite a bit on most boards with a Queen or King.
i like all the what if situations and possibilities, but i yet to see a hand this big when some1 is soo good and willing to risk soo much to play against turned over AA as if they really had a set. ive never seen it in cg because i think it doesnt really happen except very very rarely
I disagree with Dougs analysis of Colmans decision to 5-bet. I definitely think he can 5-bet KK and AKs so its not like he only has AA.
Lets say he flats the 24. Sure he doesn’t donk lead the flop. Prob goes check, check. Then he prob leads out for about 35k. Sure Scott raises to about 95-115. Coleman calls. River he checks and Scott bets about 200. Sure witj that brick on the river and his hand being so disguised he calls that bet. Probably saved himself about 100k. Think it was a really good fold. Scott is basically putting in 75k set mining. Sometimes you just get out flopped and with a the runout is like this....
IMO Coleman has to go bigger with his 5 bet
kevinboo2000 that’s what I thought too. I was surprised when Doug said it was already on the high side. I think if he goes more around 4x, he controls the hand a lot more. Obviously his hand in particular isn’t the best example, but long term, out of position, I like a little bit bigger 5 bet as well
He thought he was good , didn''t want to lose a costumer/ Wanted to keep him in that pot (but with more information from Seiver (his bets and sizes maybe some tell he got from him ) made him convinced that his AA are no good and folded (a nice fold may I add , one I would have trouble laying down) .
Doug,
Are you planning on accepting an invite to the SHRB? Watched the draw hoping to hear Negreanu and Hellmuth talk you up. Hope you get the invite.
I guess Colman bumping it again preflop is announcing to the world “I have AA.” I still would try to get it all-in preflop cause I’m “old school” and really don’t trust myself to play it profitably post flop. I don’t know, I guess I got a lot to learn. Seriously, is just calling preflop with AA here standard? Especially when you consider Colman doesn’t have position post flop?
I watched the video today and I told myself "Doug Polk should review this hand".
A few hours later... This video appears
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Jonathan Clavet-Grenier Yeah Poker Central uploaded the same hand like 5 hrs earlier
Same actually lol
Same here lol, but it was very standard play watching that so i wasn't really sure. The bottom line he very agrees with both player but somewhat got deeper in every player's action in every street which I like. Gj doug
When I read: "Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm" I heard it as pewdiepie's voice in my head ffs..
Thumbs up. This is a really good youtube video!
Oh and that glass, stop tapping it!
All in pre flop with AA would be better Doug Polk?
What is your opinion ?
Best regards
Shove 700bbs preflop and Seiver will only call if he has the other 2 AA. Everything else will fold.
Before the dark times
Before the Negreanu tweets
Before the one drop.
Before the crypto
Before Fedor
It was a simpler time that many of us will remember. The mercier memes, GPL, and of course Vanessa. Back in those days there were not many Germans in tourneys. God I miss those days.
Before the pandemic 😭
Awesome video as always!
Doug rocking the bib, looks good man! ;)
where can we watch that episode? i never seen it