A failed piston rod, crosshead, or conrod would give rise to the loud bangs heard, the valvegear would still be working and supplying steam to cylinder till the regulator was shut, the loud bangs were most likely the now uncheck piston hitting both cylinder end covers, this would also give rise to very sharp exhaust beats, assuming this there would be 2 bangs per wheel revolution, the driver would have had his hand on the regulator as the loco was climbing a gradient in readiness to catch the loco if it lost its feet. The crosshead design adopted for the britts, 9fs, bullieds and a good few others would allow the conrod to drop to track level and lead to a potentially very bad situation.
I was on that, so glad to have found this video. I knew all was not well as soon as I heard the banging and the brakes were applied with some enthusiasm...
Wow, that noise at the end sounded expensive. Hope there was not too much damage done to the engine, it had sounded in fine form all day. Thank you for some first-class filming, always welcome to us exiles!.
At 6:25 you can hear that the piston rod had snapped! Obviously kept it going for a good few seconds before the loud banging and the regulator was shut off!
That is the best low-light footage I've ever seen on a steam video, just fantastic quality at every location. May I ask what camera you are using? it's amazing!
I'm guessing that you didn't let "auto exposure" have it's way during the low light segment. The amount of under exposure is brilliant. Do you know yet what failed on the engine?
My father told me of a connecting rod he saw still sticking out of the ballast as his train was entering a tunnel. The track had obviously been straightened since the occurrence but why leave the rod still there?
I am as old as Britannia - as a spotter remember its latter days out of 12A Kingmoor. It was mechanically a mess and there were others of the class in far better condition. By the mid 60s they were mostly on parcels and Carlisle to Crewe stoppers. The chime whistle heard on this video is exactly as I remember it. It looked in good running order but, the coal - it appeared pretty black from the chimney early on. Hope its ok - likely to cost a lot to fix.
@@MichaelSmith-wj8zb Don't hold your breath, these things are not available "off the shelf". If a new one is cast there will be considerable work involved to get the right type of steel identified and availability ascertained. A pattern will have to be made and once a new one cast it then has to be machined, not a quick process. Then it will have to undergo stringent NDT work all under the auspices of the relevant engineering acceptance body for the loco to ensure the casting and machining is sound. It may be possible to use one from another loco that is comparable size wise but if the donor loco is not mainline approved then the part may have to be assessed and approved by the engineering acceptance body before it could be used. All this and then there is the small issue of...........cost! I very much doubt it will be a quick turn around, sadly. It is one of my favourite classes.
I would have kept the Brits in BR Stock for the time that was planned, but run them on the S&D and Great Central while electrifying / diesel to West Coast / East Coast and Liv St Services. GC would have been a straightforward run for them and S&D for freight better than the costly double headers
I know I'm going to cause some offence..... but. There can be very few hobbies or interests where the vast majority have so little insight or knowledge about what they are talking about, yet feel it right to display their complete ignorance.
It's there for a number of reasons, including recovery. But a major reason is that very few sites have turntables any more, so you want something to pull the train any time it needs to reverse. A common pattern down my way is to run steam first to, say, Weymouth, then diesel first up to Yeovil where there's a turntable, and they can then run around and go out steam-first again.
@@hoagy_ytfc Diesel haul out of Weymouth is only partially as you reason. A recent trip (pulled by Bahamas) was planned to have an additional steam loco on the front climbing the bank out and use the train engine as a banker (tender first, obviously). However, even with the more recent wet weather, it was deemed too much of a fire risk and the diesel hauled the train to Southampton, where the train reversed and the steam loco once again led. We were on the train and (having done a lot of steam trips) were quite surprised by the amount and size of the cinders hitting the top window deflectors of the Mk1 and bouncing onto the tablecloth, some 10mm diameter, over much of the trip whenever the loco was working hard. And we were halfway down the train length. Maybe BR's late change to double blastpipe and chimney contributed to the amount (and so risk) for this specific loco, maybe the poorer coal now an issue, maybe both, but it did (sadly) look like the right call, and we were robbed of the experience.
As a complete novice in these matters, it struck me that the grand old lady was pulling far too much weight. So many carriages may have been fine in her youth, but today……..(though thank goodness for the diesel at the back - sadly)
I needed to know why they don’t dig a tunnel and do an extension for the main line Train so that they can extend the unused abandoned underground train stations. Why couldn’t they use the part D78 Stock train doors on the sides and also restructure the front face of the A60 and A62 stock that includes the class 313, class 314 and class 315 remix and make them all together and also redesign them an overhead line and also make them into Five cars per units and also having three Disabled Toilets on those Five cars per units A60 and A62 stock trains and also convert the A60 and A62 stock trains into a Scania N112, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXB, Gardner 6LXC and Gardner 8LXB Diesel Engines and also put the Loud 7-Speed Voith Gearboxes even Loud 8-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Gearboxes in the A60 and A62 stock, class 313, class 314, and class 315 and also modernise the A60 and A62 stock and make it into an 11 car per unit so it could have fewer doors, more tables, computers and mobile phone chargers. A Stock Trains and also having 8 Disabled Toilets on those A stock trains. why couldn’t we refurbish and modernise the Waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel and make it more Larger and extend it to the bank station, making it into a Triple-Track Railway Line so those Five countries such as Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden to convert the waterloo and city line Triple-Track Railway tunnel into a High-Speed Railway lines? The Third Euro tunnel Triple-Track Railway line to make it 11 times better for passengers so they could go from A to B. Then put the modernised 11 car per unit A Stock and put them on a bigger modernised Waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel so it could go to bank station to those Five countries such as Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden. The modernised refurbished 11 cars per unit A stock could be a High Speed The Third Triple-Track Euro Tunnel Train So it is promising and 47 times a lot more possible to do this kind of project if that will be OK for London Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden. oh by the way, could they also tunnel the Triple-Track Railway Line so it will stop from Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex so that the Passengers will go to Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland and Sweden and also extend the Triple-Track Railway Line from the Bank to Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex Stations so that more people from there could go to Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden more Easily. Why couldn't they extend the Piccadilly Line and also build brand-new underground train stations so it could go even further right up to Clapton, Wood Street can they also make another brand new underground train station in Chingford and could they extend the Piccadilly Line and the DLR right up to Chingford? All of the classes 150, 155, 154, 117, 114, 105, and 106, will be replaced by all of the Scania N112, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXB, Gardner 6LXC and Gardner 8LXB Diesel Five carriages three disabled toilets are air conditioning trains including Highams Park for extended roots which is the Piccadilly line and the DLR trains. Could you also convert all of the 1973 stock trains into an air-conditioned maximum speed 78 km/hours (48 MPH) re-refurbished and make it into a 8 cars per unit if that will be alright, and also extend all of the Piccadilly train stations to make more space for all of the extended 8 car per unit 1973 stock air condition trains and can you also build another Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive Companies and can they order Every 67 Octagon and Every 37 Hexagon shape LNER diagram unique small no.13 and unique small no.11 Boilers from those Countries such as Greece, Italy, Poland, and Sweden, can they make Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive speeds by up to 147MPH so you can try and test it on the Original Mainline so it will be much more safer for the Passengers to enjoy the 147MPH speed Limit only for HS2 and Channel Tunnel mainline services, if they needed 16 Carriages Per units, can they use those class 55’s, class 44’s, class 40’s and class 43HST Diesel Locomotive’s right at the Back of those 18 Carriages Per Units so they can take over at the Back to let those Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s have a rest for those interesting Journeys Please!!!!!!, oh can you make all of those Coal Boxes’s 18 Tonnes for all of those 147MPH Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s so the Companies will Understand us PASSENGER’S!! so please make sure that the Builders can do as they are told!!!!! And Please do something about these very very important Professional ideas Please? Prime Minister of England, Prime Minister of Australia, Prime Minister of Sweden, Prime Minister of Germany, Prime Minister of Italy, Prime Minister of Poland and that Includes the Mayor of London.
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A failed piston rod, crosshead, or conrod would give rise to the loud bangs heard, the valvegear would still be working and supplying steam to cylinder till the regulator was shut, the loud bangs were most likely the now uncheck piston hitting both cylinder end covers, this would also give rise to very sharp exhaust beats, assuming this there would be 2 bangs per wheel revolution, the driver would have had his hand on the regulator as the loco was climbing a gradient in readiness to catch the loco if it lost its feet. The crosshead design adopted for the britts, 9fs, bullieds and a good few others would allow the conrod to drop to track level and lead to a potentially very bad situation.
What a heart wrenching sound.. That's for sure. Glad everyone was safe following that. besides that point, what STUNNING FOOTAGE!!!
Excellent video. As devastating as it is to hear a loco "break" it was impressive!
Great footage! That was a gut-wrenching sound at the end of the final clip though
I was on that, so glad to have found this video.
I knew all was not well as soon as I heard the banging and the brakes were applied with some enthusiasm...
Thanks. Hope you were able to get home alright afterwards.
Great video throughout, and bittersweet congratulations on capturing the sad moment at the end.
Thanks. Glad you enjoyed the video.
Wow, that noise at the end sounded expensive. Hope there was not too much damage done to the engine, it had sounded in fine form all day. Thank you for some first-class filming, always welcome to us exiles!.
They snapped the fucking cross head
@@spagelsmegal What's that on the loco?
@@1701_FyldeFlyerthe part that connects the piston rod to the connecting rod. Guided by the slide bars
@@spagelsmegal They didnt break anything, the crosshead broke!
Thanks. Glad you enjoyed the video.
Lovely video of Britannia. She runs very well and I like her whistle as well. Best wishes Josh
Thanks. Glad you enjoyed
Some excellent footage, she sounded on good form, plenty of whistling to. Many thanks 😊
Thanks. Glad you enjoyed.
Amazing you actually caught the moment of failure. Train got back to Victoria at 02.39!
It became the Sunrise Steam Express ;)
Thanks. Hopefully everyone onboard was able to make it home.
6:41 I believe this is how the problem started
At 6:25 you can hear that the piston rod had snapped! Obviously kept it going for a good few seconds before the loud banging and the regulator was shut off!
Awesome video!
That is the best low-light footage I've ever seen on a steam video, just fantastic quality at every location. May I ask what camera you are using? it's amazing!
Thanks. I was using a Sony A7iv. I was using a Sigma prime lens for the low light shots which has a wide aperture.
@@TailLampProductions I’m going to be a nerd and ask was is 4:2:2 10bit?
@@steamtothewest-trecanrail It is to do with how many colours can be represented. Personally only use 8bit as 10bit takes up a lot of memory.
I'm guessing that you didn't let "auto exposure" have it's way during the low light segment. The amount of under exposure is brilliant. Do you know yet what failed on the engine?
Ok broken cross head. Disregard my question.
Listened to it again, that banging sounded bad like a rod off?!😢😢
Believe it was a broken Crosshead.
Struck a shopping trolley mate
About 6:27 is that other sound, the sound of the cross head failing?
They shut the regulator bloody quickly! Good show.
Must have taken some self control not to say something when you heard that
Fr tho 😂😂😂
How long will she likely be out of action for?
Oh dear, that sounded like one of the rods broke, hope she’s alright
Yes it was a broken Crosshead.
A danger of a con rod breaking is it digging into the rail ballast lifting the loco up or further bending it round.
My father told me of a connecting rod he saw still sticking out of the ballast as his train was entering a tunnel. The track had obviously been straightened since the occurrence but why leave the rod still there?
Did the loco fail in the area where Jessies Seat topiary commemorates a railway accident way back on 29th February 1892, a leap year.
Nice video great camera work as usual as always keep it up best wishes Philip xx
Thanks. Glad you enjoyed it.
Did I see a gout of flame at about 5:54? Or was that just the light catching some steam?
That's the light from the firebox on the steam
That happens when the firebox door is opened.
Spare a thought for the fireman who has to look inside there, it will be like staring at the sun.
Yes, unfortunate..
You can only guess at how many times 'the train motion' has revolved since starting out on the railways..
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Great 👍 VIDEO 👍 📹
Nice video 👍
Absolutely brilliant footage mate apparently it was a shopping trolley on the line that she hit damaging her piston rods😢
This seems unlikely given the rural location with no shops using trolleys within miles.
nothing to do with a shopping trolley. Absolute rubbish
Most folk would have stopped recording way before but you caught a right pop. Cylinder failure?
Thanks. I believe it was a broken Crosshead
Fracturing a cross head would require a lot of force. More likely a machining or design defect.
You must be an Engineer?
There was a hidden flaw and internal crack in the metal.
What a shame- I hope that the damage was no too serious or costly.
Thanks. It was a broken Crosshead.
Hope it'll fixable, up until that point she was doing brilliantly. Lovely sound and whistles. Come back soon Britty 😢😊
Thanks
The Bash Mash used your video 👍🏼
That noise did not sound good😮 hopefully it wasn't badly damaged.
Apparently it was a broken Crosshead.
I am as old as Britannia - as a spotter remember its latter days out of 12A Kingmoor. It was mechanically a mess and there were others of the class in far better condition. By the mid 60s they were mostly on parcels and Carlisle to Crewe stoppers.
The chime whistle heard on this video is exactly as I remember it.
It looked in good running order but, the coal - it appeared pretty black from the chimney early on.
Hope its ok - likely to cost a lot to fix.
Sounds like something to do with the clynders as can hear the drain cocks open straight after intial band
Yes it was a broken Crosshead.
@@TailLampProductions ouch! Hopefully will be a quick turn around, and back out. One of my fave locos!
@@MichaelSmith-wj8zb Don't hold your breath, these things are not available "off the shelf". If a new one is cast there will be considerable work involved to get the right type of steel identified and availability ascertained. A pattern will have to be made and once a new one cast it then has to be machined, not a quick process. Then it will have to undergo stringent NDT work all under the auspices of the relevant engineering acceptance body for the loco to ensure the casting and machining is sound. It may be possible to use one from another loco that is comparable size wise but if the donor loco is not mainline approved then the part may have to be assessed and approved by the engineering acceptance body before it could be used. All this and then there is the small issue of...........cost! I very much doubt it will be a quick turn around, sadly. It is one of my favourite classes.
Gosh you diagnosed it from a video from over a mile away! The Bluebell want a Director of Locomotive Engineering.... you must be the man!
That was amazing footage. Anyone know what happened?
Thanks. Apparently it was a broken Crosshead.
I would have kept the Brits in BR Stock for the time that was planned, but run them on the S&D and Great Central while electrifying / diesel to West Coast / East Coast and Liv St Services. GC would have been a straightforward run for them and S&D for freight better than the costly double headers
Would you?
I know I'm going to cause some offence..... but. There can be very few hobbies or interests where the vast majority have so little insight or knowledge about what they are talking about, yet feel it right to display their complete ignorance.
What the hell you blabbering on about?
We were waiting for her at RDH but quickly becoming apparent she had had a major problem
Thanks
What happened, something fell off?
Thanks. It was a Broken Crosshead.
Isn't that why the rubbish diesel is in the back end.
unfortunately, yes.
It's there for a number of reasons, including recovery. But a major reason is that very few sites have turntables any more, so you want something to pull the train any time it needs to reverse.
A common pattern down my way is to run steam first to, say, Weymouth, then diesel first up to Yeovil where there's a turntable, and they can then run around and go out steam-first again.
@@hoagy_ytfc Diesel haul out of Weymouth is only partially as you reason. A recent trip (pulled by Bahamas) was planned to have an additional steam loco on the front climbing the bank out and use the train engine as a banker (tender first, obviously). However, even with the more recent wet weather, it was deemed too much of a fire risk and the diesel hauled the train to Southampton, where the train reversed and the steam loco once again led. We were on the train and (having done a lot of steam trips) were quite surprised by the amount and size of the cinders hitting the top window deflectors of the Mk1 and bouncing onto the tablecloth, some 10mm diameter, over much of the trip whenever the loco was working hard. And we were halfway down the train length. Maybe BR's late change to double blastpipe and chimney contributed to the amount (and so risk) for this specific loco, maybe the poorer coal now an issue, maybe both, but it did (sadly) look like the right call, and we were robbed of the experience.
As a complete novice in these matters, it struck me that the grand old lady was pulling far too much weight. So many carriages may have been fine in her youth, but today……..(though thank goodness for the diesel at the back - sadly)
No
The complete novice shows. Maybe if you don't know how it all works, maybe don't make assumptions.
@@shipsarerubbish Surely anyone can comment, or is it just self-professed 'experts'? Seemed a valid point to me.
How it fail??????
her crosshead rod broke
Wonder audio….up until the failure (😖).
Metal fatigue👺
Sounds horrific.
Was rhere reason given to her failure?
It was a broken Crosshead.
I needed to know why they don’t dig a tunnel and do an extension for the main line Train so that they can extend the unused abandoned underground train stations. Why couldn’t they use the part D78 Stock train doors on the sides and also restructure the front face of the A60 and A62 stock that includes the class 313, class 314 and class 315 remix and make them all together and also redesign them an overhead line and also make them into Five cars per units and also having three Disabled Toilets on those Five cars per units A60 and A62 stock trains and also convert the A60 and A62 stock trains into a Scania N112, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXB, Gardner 6LXC and Gardner 8LXB Diesel Engines and also put the Loud 7-Speed Voith Gearboxes even Loud 8-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Gearboxes in the A60 and A62 stock, class 313, class 314, and class 315 and also modernise the A60 and A62 stock and make it into an 11 car per unit so it could have fewer doors, more tables, computers and mobile phone chargers. A Stock Trains and also having 8 Disabled Toilets on those A stock trains. why couldn’t we refurbish and modernise the Waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel and make it more Larger and extend it to the bank station, making it into a Triple-Track Railway Line so those Five countries such as Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden to convert the waterloo and city line Triple-Track Railway tunnel into a High-Speed Railway lines? The Third Euro tunnel Triple-Track Railway line to make it 11 times better for passengers so they could go from A to B. Then put the modernised 11 car per unit A Stock and put them on a bigger modernised Waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel so it could go to bank station to those Five countries such as Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden. The modernised refurbished 11 cars per unit A stock could be a High Speed The Third Triple-Track Euro Tunnel Train So it is promising and 47 times a lot more possible to do this kind of project if that will be OK for London Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden. oh by the way, could they also tunnel the Triple-Track Railway Line so it will stop from Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex so that the Passengers will go to Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland and Sweden and also extend the Triple-Track Railway Line from the Bank to Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex Stations so that more people from there could go to Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden more Easily. Why couldn't they extend the Piccadilly Line and also build brand-new underground train stations so it could go even further right up to Clapton, Wood Street can they also make another brand new underground train station in Chingford and could they extend the Piccadilly Line and the DLR right up to Chingford? All of the classes 150, 155, 154, 117, 114, 105, and 106, will be replaced by all of the Scania N112, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXB, Gardner 6LXC and Gardner 8LXB Diesel Five carriages three disabled toilets are air conditioning trains including Highams Park for extended roots which is the Piccadilly line and the DLR trains. Could you also convert all of the 1973 stock trains into an air-conditioned maximum speed 78 km/hours (48 MPH) re-refurbished and make it into a 8 cars per unit if that will be alright, and also extend all of the Piccadilly train stations to make more space for all of the extended 8 car per unit 1973 stock air condition trains and can you also build another Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive Companies and can they order Every 67 Octagon and Every 37 Hexagon shape LNER diagram unique small no.13 and unique small no.11 Boilers from those Countries such as Greece, Italy, Poland, and Sweden, can they make Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive speeds by up to 147MPH so you can try and test it on the Original Mainline so it will be much more safer for the Passengers to enjoy the 147MPH speed Limit only for HS2 and Channel Tunnel mainline services, if they needed 16 Carriages Per units, can they use those class 55’s, class 44’s, class 40’s and class 43HST Diesel Locomotive’s right at the Back of those 18 Carriages Per Units so they can take over at the Back to let those Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s have a rest for those interesting Journeys Please!!!!!!, oh can you make all of those Coal Boxes’s 18 Tonnes for all of those 147MPH Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s so the Companies will Understand us PASSENGER’S!! so please make sure that the Builders can do as they are told!!!!! And Please do something about these very very important Professional ideas Please? Prime Minister of England, Prime Minister of Australia, Prime Minister of Sweden, Prime Minister of Germany, Prime Minister of Italy, Prime Minister of Poland and that Includes the Mayor of London.
Stop commenting this - your ideas are not physically possible to happen
Hmmm, that didn't sound too healthy.......
That sounded mechanical and not good 😢
shame about Britannia glad they had the diesel brush saltzer on the back to rescue it
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