Gotta say, my 1st gen Apollo twin is still going strong. Can’t say the same for my 2015 mac. Thank God the DSP in the Twin does the heavy lifting in that scenario! I just wish UA weren’t so damn pushy in their sales tactics
I am a big supporter of Universal Audio. My studio has Apollo x6 and multiple x16 Apollos for all of the studio out board gear. Yes I do use their plugins but mainly I love the converters on out board gear. Yes in have recorded and mixed exclusively with Analog outboard gear but their plugins are still go to. First choice every time. I am pleased with my decision to use their products.
Take it from me who’s an acoustics engineer with a background in electroacoustic design, the UA Apollo is maybe not objectively the best converters. However, their converters are amazing, they are on par with RME.
@@EdThorne for me, the only real step up is if you get a Burl AD/DA. Honestly it’s usually the people who don’t know what they’re talking about and just generally dislike UA or can’t afford one who try to say their converters are bad. This is just incorrect.
Apollo x4 here, never a single issue. Bought a few years ago once my Apogee Ensemble Firewire was no longer supported! Now my Ensemble is in standalone mode to ADAT in the Apollo, with a WA-412. So I have 4 Apollo, 4 Apogee, and 4 WA preamps. Love my setup, only complaint is that Apogee dropped the Ensemble like a bad habit!!
Most people don't realize how awesome Universal Audio and their Apollo interfaces are. The way UA's developers implemented the Console app and Luna, incorporating low latency recording with Unison Preamps, Rec Efx, summing and integrated tape, is damn near genius. UA has giving us the opportunity to record our music with a classic analog workflow in the same way most of our favorites records were recorded back in the good ole days. To each is own, however, thank goodness for Universal Audio. Thanks for highlighting the misconceptions about UA.
I bought my Apollo Twin Duo in 2015, added an 8p about a year later, and then bought an x8p in early 2019. Somewhere in there I also acquired an octo satellite as a promo (I think with the 8p). It has been a rock solid system for me - 20 channels of Unison pres, and usually already sounds like a record by the time I’m playing tracks back. One thing I think gets left out of the UAD discussion a lot is how much more expensive it would be to own, connect, and service the analog equivalents to what you can do in Console, and with no recall!
I would just like to quote section 14 of the March 11, 2024 Universal Audio EULA and let it speak for itself: "14. Non-disparagement. Customer agrees that Customer shall not make any public statement about, nor publish in any chat room, online forum or other media, any content about, UA or any UA Licensor or Authorized UA Reseller that damages (or is intended to damage) that party's reputation." The different EULAs are easily available on the UA website ("Legal" at the bottom of the site), so you don't have to take my word for it.
Great video! I think the key is being able to do what you love. If you're wealthy or can comfortably afford it, UAD is a solid choice. But for many of us, upgrading from something like a Focusrite to a more reliable setup is already a stretch. UAD just isn’t practical when you’re on a tight budget, especially with a basic laptop basic room and basic instruments. It's like trying to buy a v8 engine for a small shitty car. While DSP is important, it becomes less crucial if money is an issue. A video on hybrid setups for home and live solo performances with a few instruments would be really helpful! P.S. Love your work!
I actually really like Universal Audio since the native plugins came out. I have bought quite a few now and ditched most of my Waves plugins. I've even been trying out Luna and like it as well. If I were recording for my career, then I would consider the Apollo stuff. But the people I do occasionally record are more than happy with the way they sound with my Focusrite Clarett. I need 16 channels for drums etc. and that gets pricey with Apollos. I upgraded my computer to an M3 Macbook Pro on sale for less than one Apollo 8xp. Bigger bang for my bucks in my opinion. And I can monitor with plugins (granted not all plugins) and run a full mix no problem. Your points are valid, but not $4,300 extra in cost valid for my use case.
One thing I really like about UAD, is the dual ADAT on the x8. If you go with Lynx Aurora(n), it would cost an awful lot to fill out the I/O to be able to track a full band with 24 inputs. I think the plugins are actually pretty good value, if you buy them on-sale, and in bundles. I think the ADC is plenty good enough these days - competitive with RME, MOTU. And wouldn't hold 99% of people back. For DAC, people can add an external, if they like. Or even add a great stereo ADC out for the most critical tracking, if you are very fussy, about the primary instrument, vocals. Since in those contexts, often you are tracking one source at a time. And I don't believe for drums Apollo isn't good enough.
Rock solid hardware on my Mac, love console and my Apollo X4. UAD user since 2016. The main reason I hate UAD is you can’t re-sell individual plugin licenses. It’s all or nothing. I have many plugins I don’t use anymore.
Antelope gets a lot of crap for their software and support, but my experience was UAD console was way more prone to locking up and causing issues on my M1 mac. The 2 times I needed support it took days to get a generic unhelpful response to a ticket and Antelope got on the phone with me right away when I had an activation issue and resolved quickly. What I do love about console though is tracking through UAD verbs and delays as it's more inspiring.
DSP literally saves my computer (Late 2013 Mac Pro) from lagging or crashing when I have to use many instances of Autotune. I even had some people comment on one of my videos on here and on Tik Tok saying my Apollo x8p is bad and other companies have better sound/conversion. I don't get the hate for UAD lol. Great video man!
Well done! It had to be said. I couldn’t live without UA Console for music, tracking, video, everything….. never mind the variety of plugins. No other vendor brings it all together.
You missed a HUGE reason I stay with Apollo: live streaming without DAW overhead processing. also what i dislike about the console app is no easy multing and matrix routing options.
I like the UAD unit and owned one for a while, but they are to expensive compared to competing solutions. Switched Focusrite Clarett. No one will ever dislike what ever I make on it because it does not have the Unison preamps (it is just a minor part of the final processed song). And have their plugins now through Spark. Also had an issue that the Thunderbolt cable lost connection from time to time. Had to do a reboot of PC to reconnect.
...i love Universal Audio ! ❤ my few Plug Ins ( LA2A, Distressor, Chanel Strip ) sounds really good and for less than 50 Bucks real useful, esp. the Chanel Strip is one of the best i've ever use.
I use Apollo twin X quad, this card completely covers my needs, great plugins and reliable trouble-free work 👍 after buying Apollo there is nothing more to want 😀
I own an x6 and 2 Octo satellite boxes. The DSP IS LIMITED. DSP power IS NOT spread over all plug in instances - It’s PER CHANNEL. Which means you regularly can only use 1 instance of a thing on that channel. That’s crap in 2024. Everything else though - Fab!
Yes, you can only use one instance of a UNISON preamp modeller. But you can use up to four UAD-2 plugins in the mo it or insert section on each channel, plus two Aux sends for effects. And you can print the monitor inserts so effectively giving you five stages of processing on each channel. Subject to DSP resources.
@@ghfjfghjasdfasdf totally. Their free native plugims as the la2a or the analog verbs released some months ago do not need internet conection and the license can be located in your pc, not the cloud
had a apollo twin usb for 7 years - loved it, just updated to x6 and was a big mistake being on windows still, basically my intel 13th gen mobo with tb4 doesnt work with it properly (click and pops all the time), so I will have to update to mac, or get rid of ua. I like the ua plugingst too much so its hard saving for a mac now. Aside my problem here, id like to see updates to the plugins - values shown/wet dry knobs (the ones that dont have them), a built in tuner into console, would all be nice. the soundcards are all coming down in price, I paid 1.5k for a x6 when the used to be over 2k, so its looking like new stuff is around the corner
I love Apollo but I also love the apogee symphony desktop. I have an 8xp and a satellite octo honestly I love the flexibility along with console +24dbu capabilities
I just switched from apollo x 6 to merging happy mk2. no regret! a different level indeed!! Especially the conversion! but I still holding my twins and my satellite only for the dip. maybe trading the twins to another satellite. Love the amphions too., sounding so unbelievable good!
I worked years with Apollo, and now with Audient. In my opinion, Audient sounds better. I'm not talking about beauty... I'm talking about clarity and precision. Flat and real. When we work, we don'y need colored sound, we need sincerity and precision.
I have an apollo x and 3 x octos and have their uafx pedals. They sound great, the plugins sound great, they're easy and quick to setup, no software or hardware issues, they just work. I've used countless audio interfaces and its the best package.
People who actually know their stuff still won’t buy Apollo. Instead, they’ll go with an RME + UAD Satellite combo. Why? Because with the concept of matrix routing, we can print their preamps in real-time in the DAW. In terms of conversion, RME or even Focusrite (Clarett+ series) outperforms it. AVID’s, Rednet’s, and everything else outperforms it. To be honest, comparing Scarlett 2i2 to UAD devices is like comparing apples to oranges. People who state that there is no visible difference are probably listening on KRK Rokit speakers. 😆 Anyway, I understand the value you are proposing, but perhaps make a video with RME/UAD Satellite and show, with the help of matrix routing or even specific live software, how we can do that. Also, in Windows, only the USB version works, and good luck getting Thunderbolt to work properly. People who use Discord and other software, rest in peace. The drivers are just wonderful isn't they?. oh wait, you got to login in to download drivers i suppose.
@@shyamlok Apollo is all about the convenience, reliability, all the useful features packed and nice UI of the console app. The difference in sound between UAD, Focusrite and RME is not a deciding factor when buying one of them. As an audio engineer I'm looking for something really stable and reliable which also has everything I need to get the work done. Apollo is delivering exactly that. Has it downsides? Of course, like every gear.
@@producermathew do i owe a decision to your wallet? no. do you like buying apollo? Buy it. As an audio engineer myself, do i own an explanation to you? not really. Do i keep myself to an ecosystem? no. Do i work in mac? no - i work in windows, do i like paying new price for dated converters? no. Help yourself buddy, consider me an authrority or a troll, or whatever you want to.
@@huberttorzewski pretty accurate, if you work with clients or producers with similar gear and plugins, the process is much seamless. I explained another side, whome might not be happy with universal audio, except going with their satellite, instead of their Audio interfaces, which are no joke tbh, but dont actually offer exactly what people like myself are looking for.
Anyone who needs more than the nice diagram at 0:47 to understand the value proposition of Apollo and UAD plugins needs to buy shoe polish and brushes and leave the industry to go shine shoes.
I ditched my Apollo in frustration because UAD plugins have let me down more often than all others combined. Reliability is at least as important as sound quality.
In Chile UAD apollos are very expensive, like 2 or 3 times the cost in USA or Europe, so for the same money you cant get way more channels an even better conversion (with audient, rme, motu, antelope, etc)
I have apollo x4 and clarett 4pre + , I think they both sound good but I do like using the apollo and satellite for taking some of the load off my computer,, uad plugins are priced high so I normally wait for sales, sometimes plugin boutique will have the same sale going but they have a rewards system for any plugin you buy from them not just uad , plugin boutique now has a uad 22 plugin bundle for 99 dollars which is a lot of plugins for the price and you can get the century tube channel strip for free right now in case nobody has that one.
I don't like Universal Audio because I bought 276 VOLT because I wanted to have a mobile set up that had a built in compression it was unusable; the compressor was super noise-y and people tried to gaslight me and tell me that it was just background noise being compressed. No, the compressor in it was garbage. Also, the headphone knob only worked when it was cranked up a quarter of the way, it seemed like the potentiometer wasn't wired correctly.
I dont like UAD but they was right, Compressor is great on it, and for the headphones volume you got to use the right Impedance, this is an USB C bus powered interface so Its not made for 250 ohms headphones.
Ive had the apollo twin quad, x8p and x16. I sold them all, not because of the conversion or any of that crap(ive done countless tests and the difference are so minor in that price range its not really worth considering to me). I also think the unison preamps are a bunch or marketing mumbo jumbo. I can literally get the same effect with the plugins in my daw. All an all Im not bashing ua tho. I do love their plugins and interfaces(on mac). I just simply got annoyed having to always have my computer plugged into apollo for all my plugins to work. Im not big on excuses and l record and mix very quickly to meet my demands and i just found myself making the excuse of not being able to deliver on time because i wasn't able to access my plugins at all times. For anyone reading this just pick one in the price bracket and stick with it and make music. Remember its not the conversion or the plugins ITS YOU!
Ive also tried rme, apogee symphony desktop and the mt 48. I stuck with the rme babyface pro fs. Not because of the conversion or anything of that. Its just basically invisible in my set up and not having to travel with a power cable is a big deal for my line of work.
Also I’ve never recorded an artist or mixed a song and they ask me what interface I'm running it through. All they care about is how it sounds when I'm done and it’s gonna sound damn good regardless of any of the following I'm working with.
Hey bro I love my Apollo Twin MKii for eight years but ….. those Apogee converters and preamps are the truth. I have the Apogee Symphony Desktop and the Duet 3 👀 nice…. I will agree the Dsp side of the Apollo’s are untouched for as ecosystem. The higher end Apogee stuff is nice bro.
Good job dispelling the myths and shedding some light on the value of the ecosystem. Brave calling out point 4. And you see this with a lot of things. Apple etc.. but most of those bitching really just hate being poor!
You made 1 mistake.... when you said no other interface offers the same qualities in daisy chaining like the Apollo..... That would be Antelope Audio. They are cheaper than the Apollos with better converters and clocking. Their software has come a long way. I have my Apollo X4 & UAD satellite (Octo) and decided to upgrade to the Antelope Orion 32+ versus the Apollo 16. Why? 1. It had more I/O, and expanding capabilities like MADI, as well with ADAT. 2. Has DSP plugins, 3. Better clocking 4. Better Dynamic range 5. It was cheaper by $700. and I was able to get a 10% discount through Andrew Masters affiliate. And it has been a superb interface. Take a look. I mainly use my Apollo x4 more like a monitor controller but still use the UAD satellite consistently. I have more outboard gear preamps now so the modeling is only when I am looking for a specific flavor.
Ok, that’s interesting. Thanks for the info. As far as I’m aware though, connecting digitally doesn’t enable the devices to share DSP resources like the Apollos. Fair enough about MADI but what studio uses that. It’s a live sound format. Also, the plugins are simply not in the same league. You’ll never get me anywhere near Antelope.
@@EdThorne FYI. Here are the following studios using Antelope Audio Abbey Road Studios, Universal Music, Metropolis Studios, Britannia Row, Netflix, Rak and Sarm plus many more.. Note Madi is becoming an industry standard and it will supplant ADAT because of the sheer number of channels it can handle. Antelope Audio Galaxy line is the flagship it is rivaling anything on the market now and again, number of I/O. They spent a number of years working on software and customer service. It is really good I heard for years to stay away from their interfaces but I can swear by it now. A friend was the one that suggested it to me and then I saw Andrew Masters built his new studio around it and a few other big RUclipsrs. It sounds unbelievable. Also the routing that you can duo via the software is just as good as RME. I have a ton of outboard gear and it took me a minute to get used to the software but once you do its a breeze on the number of things you can do.
@@EdThorne I was on an expanded Apollo system (2 X16s and an X8P), and was considering selling the X8P and getting two more X16s. I now use MADI to bridge together two Orion 32 G4s, giving me 64 channels of analog IO all the way up to 192khz, which I got for less than the cost of two X16s - I made money on the switch. They kick off a fraction of the heat, and consequently take up a fraction of the space in my rack. The conversion sounds better to my ears, and I already had enough outboard pres that I always use anyway. The routing capabilities on the Orion and Galaxy units is EXPONENTIALLY more powerful than the Apollos, and I was doing a lot of "advanced" stuff in console on a regular basis. I want to be clear - I think Apollos are great. If I were trying to put together a small rack to go do mobile recording sessions with, I'd put an X8P in there in a heartbeat. I think the Apollo Twin is the best thing available for the bedroom musician recording solo demos. Once you get past a certain degree of IO needed though, and you have a decent collection of outboard you generally want to track through anyway, the value proposition (and the routing capabilities) of the Apollos starts to fall apart very quickly. I LOVE UA, I LOVE Luna, and I would love nothing more than to see them revamp the Apollo line to include options that make more sense in those scenarios, but that's just the way things are right now.
@@melissabell585 Agree 100%. I don’t think Ed realizes how MADI is becoming an industry standard. I knew I made the right decision when I found out abbey Roads was using AA Galaxy and MADI…. I think people are still thinking it’s 2015 they have come so far with their customer service and their software. They new CEO wants them to rival RME and they have put a great deal of effort to ensure stability and they built a whole software team. I do think they can make the software a little more aesthetically pleasing like UA console but the routing capabilities is LIGHT YEARS ahead what the apollos offer and can’t forget the mixing options too. I love my Apollo X4 .
I recently bought a used UAD Arrow for cheap. Was able to register it with UA and get some free plugins which I often use. I don't get the hate, UAD is GREAT. And i'm on windows 10. Just follow the setup instructions for windows and it really all works out. And I get extra plugins I can use if I end up maxing out my CPU which I often do. AND the unison preamps, high quality DA converters and headphone amp, whats not to like??
Do you have any idea how few people claim that UAD works on Windows… your setup is definitely an outlier and guess what, at some point, you will run into issues because UAD drivers for Windows are garbage and are not properly supported. The fact that you have to be online and connected to their servers and DRM for their plugins to work/function is enough to despise this company.
UAD is overrated. Maybe you have not used enough other plugins to tell, or checked them on the meter. Also, buying an "audio interface" to run plugins is a scam, modern cpus are fully capable of running plugins well. Also, they are constantly running BS marketing campaigns to FOMO people into buying, instead of making good enough plugins that people want to buy due to value.
@@EdThorne to run any of the neve related plugins on uad you are required to have a uad interface. unless you buy the uad spark subscription which allows you to use any of the uad plugin regardless of having a uad interface or not. (im not sure if this is the case for any other of the uad provided plugins) my point is that they are gatekeeping plugins behind a pay wall of either purchasing a interface and being sucked into that ecosystem, or buying a reoccurring subscription based system.
FIVE Reasons!! The fifth is that UAD loads >3Gb of plug-ins onto our systems without asking which ones we own/want. And then we are forced into workarounds to remove all of the crap we don't want. And this happens EVERY TIME we update firmware or software!
the only way they can redeem themselves in my eyes is to open their driver to linux, so we can at least avoid all the fucking windows/apple spy&bloatware. i have a dedicated offline PC that runs windows7 in order to run my old apollo card and it is always a hell of an exercises to get that sonnet firewire driver up and running again, because UAD does not care once they have your money.
UAD would be great if they evolved but they have a BlackBerry mentality and with it being such a potential great product,with potential….you fail if you don’t make necessary changes all the way around even with pricing.
I think the vid misses out some key gripes with the Apollo and when it compares costs it’s not really accurate. Here’s why…. After you pay 700 to 800 quid you are then going to buy the other unison preamps and plugins which adds to the round trip cost. The cost once you’re stuck in their ecosystem is a never ending spiral. I think if they sold the Apollo and you could run anything on the dsp and/or choose to buy their plugins I would do the purchase. It’s the locked in part I don’t like.
I thought it sounded way too gritty and noisy in the highs. The lows/mids were good and in general the sound was linear in a good way. But yeah, not the highs for me personally.
Fair enough. You have to enjoy what you’re working on otherwise there’s no point. There’s a piece of gear for everyone but not everything is for everyone.
Why would anyone ever want their sound card to color anything? I’ve had both an Apollo and a Fireface from RME and the latter is vastly superior. Also, there is no comparison between the two companies… UAD are fraudulent for selling anything “for Windows” and everyone knows why. RME and their drivers are legends in the community… UAD wouldn’t make a wart on their arse.
I been stop dealing with uad , the plugins are good but not with the money , u can get better deals and just as great plugins with plugin alliance ,the apollos conversion is not the greatest either I sold my Apollo x8p and got the avid matrix , and for what they try to give u dsp wise with uad with there rack mount units are not worth the money either . but take this with a grain of salt .
I nave Apollo Twin audio interface, it’s good, but UA Connect is a complete piece of shit, every couple months I have to reinstall this shitty software because errors appearing and that’s pissed me of
Apollo shill.... 😆 Just kidding! But dude, you have to realize that not everyone needs that specific setup Apollo offers. If it's for a high profile studio and you literally have money to burn, then yes, otherwise it is a major overkill for a lot of content creators who may never use live DSP effects on audio recordings. All kinds of effects can be applied after the recording is done. Not everyone likes Macs or Intel with Thunderbolt. Especially Intel with their latest lackluster CPUs - terrible choice.
1. Headphones sound shit on it, my SSL2+ is far better 2. Preamps make strange noise now and then and UAD can't explain it when you reach them 3. Bloatware running in the backgroud 4. Ilok 5. 1000+$ yet shitty cheap plastic feel 6. Overpriced based on hype, unison doesn't justify it Its just another piece of code that doesn't feel like the hardware even If Its great plugins 7. One knob is combersome, very irritating compared to my experience with SSL2, one knob for every feature making it lighting fast so you got better recording as workflow is far more important than any plugin 8. Every interface at this price is better
So Antelopes software sucks but console is your fault you don’t understand. I don’t understand why the video is critical of the user rather than the product. I sure can afford it and yet believe is ridiculous expensive for what it offers. I rather buy apogee than a product that is barely comparable to Focusrite Claret. Even the new Scarlet has comparable converters. I like your videos, but you didn’t need to be so cynical with people who disagree with you. Believe me, there are valid reason why people don’t like Apollo stuff and not necessarily for the cynical reason you pointed out.
@@EdThorne well, I just gave you one. Conversion is mediocre for the price. Yes, I can afford it, I just choose not to buy it. The new scarlet has comparable converters at a quarter of the price. Most composer care about AD conversion but will never even use the DA conversion because they will not mix or master. Second, I don’t like closed systems. Their system locks out unapproved companies from developing products for their DSP. Third, we don’t hate their DSP because it’s irrelevant in 2024. We dislike it because the DSP processors they offer are weak, outdated, and expensive in a price performance ratio. This is well known.
They’re incredibly detailed speakers. Too detailed. I hear too many details that need fixing that result in sterile mixes that don’t translate well. I nail it on the Amphions which translate perfectly.
Apollo is great, no questions. But as soon as you need help from UA you are literally Fu**ED. Never had a more bad experience with a company in audio. That's sad because I have spent well over 7000 Euros in their hard and software.
I think I do hate universal audio and their dsp nonsense. I don’t think that can be changed in my mind. All I see is a company they had really expensive plugins and now they suddenly want to give them away for free now that the competition has caught up and surpassed them.
@@EdThorne you know, I prefer anything that doesn’t have really iffy upgrade models like waves or pest like software as can be seen with universal audio. Last time I had their downloader/updater installed it honestly felt like malware.
You are totally being dishonest by ignoring the fact that UAD-2 DSP is ancient having been released way back in 2008. Yet UA is still expecting people to pay insane prices for these outdated DSP chips. I also find UA to be quite arrogant but thanks to Apple Silicon, UA had to eat humble pie. Otherwise, they wouldn't have released native versions of their plugins. I say this as a long time and current UAD-2/Apollo user. My next interface will be an RME. Recording with unison preamps is so overrated in my opinion
I fkin hate UAD just because LUNA is a pile of shite that doesn't work no matter what you do!!! I do still love UAD plugins even tho I've gashed everything of theirs off my computer now..... perhaps an overreaction.... 🤣
Your questions in the frst 10 seconds - No! I have a mild niggle though. Can they stop with this plugin authorization manager that lists plugins in the order they were developed instead of alphabetically or buy whether or not the user owns a license? Such a simple thing to fix in the GUI, but they will not listen to the numerous customers who repeatedly ask for this!
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Gotta say, my 1st gen Apollo twin is still going strong. Can’t say the same for my 2015 mac. Thank God the DSP in the Twin does the heavy lifting in that scenario! I just wish UA weren’t so damn pushy in their sales tactics
Never had 1 single problem with their software and Plugins. No crashing no nothing to create Problem. That's amazing compared to other companies
Exactly!!
I am a big supporter of Universal Audio. My studio has Apollo x6 and multiple x16 Apollos for all of the studio out board gear. Yes I do use their plugins but mainly I love the converters on out board gear. Yes in have recorded and mixed exclusively with Analog outboard gear but their plugins are still go to. First choice every time. I am pleased with my decision to use their products.
Take it from me who’s an acoustics engineer with a background in electroacoustic design, the UA Apollo is maybe not objectively the best converters. However, their converters are amazing, they are on par with RME.
I feel UA get an unreasonably hard time about the converters. I’ve only heard better (than the X16) is designated DAC boxes.
@@EdThorne for me, the only real step up is if you get a Burl AD/DA. Honestly it’s usually the people who don’t know what they’re talking about and just generally dislike UA or can’t afford one who try to say their converters are bad. This is just incorrect.
UAD Native plugins will need an ilok or a constant internet connection to use. There is no plan to move to offline authorisation.
Any companies that require constant online DRM are garbage and deserve to go out of business. Piss on them.
I dont agree to the words you used but I agree with you
Buy an ilok
@@kevinlentz7604no thanks
I'm still on Apollo 8p .. Rock solid, never had a problem since years. Highly recommended
Awesome!
Apollo x4 here, never a single issue. Bought a few years ago once my Apogee Ensemble Firewire was no longer supported! Now my Ensemble is in standalone mode to ADAT in the Apollo, with a WA-412. So I have 4 Apollo, 4 Apogee, and 4 WA preamps. Love my setup, only complaint is that Apogee dropped the Ensemble like a bad habit!!
I love UA!!!! I went big w a x8p and then a satellite. No regrets at all!!!!
Awesome!
Most people don't realize how awesome Universal Audio and their Apollo interfaces are. The way UA's developers implemented the Console app and Luna, incorporating low latency recording with Unison Preamps, Rec Efx, summing and integrated tape, is damn near genius. UA has giving us the opportunity to record our music with a classic analog workflow in the same way most of our favorites records were recorded back in the good ole days. To each is own, however, thank goodness for Universal Audio. Thanks for highlighting the misconceptions about UA.
I feel Apollo’s are somewhat un-appreciated too, hence the video. They offer a LOT for the money!
I bought my Apollo Twin Duo in 2015, added an 8p about a year later, and then bought an x8p in early 2019. Somewhere in there I also acquired an octo satellite as a promo (I think with the 8p). It has been a rock solid system for me - 20 channels of Unison pres, and usually already sounds like a record by the time I’m playing tracks back.
One thing I think gets left out of the UAD discussion a lot is how much more expensive it would be to own, connect, and service the analog equivalents to what you can do in Console, and with no recall!
I would just like to quote section 14 of the March 11, 2024 Universal Audio EULA and let it speak for itself:
"14. Non-disparagement. Customer agrees that Customer shall not make any public statement about, nor publish in any chat room, online forum or other media, any content about, UA or any UA Licensor or Authorized UA Reseller that damages (or is intended to damage) that party's reputation."
The different EULAs are easily available on the UA website ("Legal" at the bottom of the site), so you don't have to take my word for it.
What’s your point?
@@EdThorneAre you THAT dumb?
I had only problems whith UAD. once bought an RME problems solved
Not the same league, but similar price :)
@@DarkTrapStudioRME is far superior
Great video! I think the key is being able to do what you love. If you're wealthy or can comfortably afford it, UAD is a solid choice. But for many of us, upgrading from something like a Focusrite to a more reliable setup is already a stretch. UAD just isn’t practical when you’re on a tight budget, especially with a basic laptop basic room and basic instruments. It's like trying to buy a v8 engine for a small shitty car.
While DSP is important, it becomes less crucial if money is an issue. A video on hybrid setups for home and live solo performances with a few instruments would be really helpful!
P.S. Love your work!
I actually really like Universal Audio since the native plugins came out. I have bought quite a few now and ditched most of my Waves plugins. I've even been trying out Luna and like it as well.
If I were recording for my career, then I would consider the Apollo stuff. But the people I do occasionally record are more than happy with the way they sound with my Focusrite Clarett. I need 16 channels for drums etc. and that gets pricey with Apollos. I upgraded my computer to an M3 Macbook Pro on sale for less than one Apollo 8xp. Bigger bang for my bucks in my opinion. And I can monitor with plugins (granted not all plugins) and run a full mix no problem.
Your points are valid, but not $4,300 extra in cost valid for my use case.
The Clarett pres sound great. Can’t argue with your decision regarding the Mac. Good channel name btw.
@@EdThorne Thanks 👍
The plugins are great. I loaded up on them recently in Sale. Handy that they are now native!
@@infojunkie4989 100% agree! 👍
One thing I really like about UAD, is the dual ADAT on the x8. If you go with Lynx Aurora(n), it would cost an awful lot to fill out the I/O to be able to track a full band with 24 inputs. I think the plugins are actually pretty good value, if you buy them on-sale, and in bundles. I think the ADC is plenty good enough these days - competitive with RME, MOTU. And wouldn't hold 99% of people back. For DAC, people can add an external, if they like. Or even add a great stereo ADC out for the most critical tracking, if you are very fussy, about the primary instrument, vocals. Since in those contexts, often you are tracking one source at a time. And I don't believe for drums Apollo isn't good enough.
Absolutely!
Rock solid hardware on my Mac, love console and my Apollo X4. UAD user since 2016. The main reason I hate UAD is you can’t re-sell individual plugin licenses. It’s all or nothing. I have many plugins I don’t use anymore.
Antelope gets a lot of crap for their software and support, but my experience was UAD console was way more prone to locking up and causing issues on my M1 mac. The 2 times I needed support it took days to get a generic unhelpful response to a ticket and Antelope got on the phone with me right away when I had an activation issue and resolved quickly. What I do love about console though is tracking through UAD verbs and delays as it's more inspiring.
DSP literally saves my computer (Late 2013 Mac Pro) from lagging or crashing when I have to use many instances of Autotune. I even had some people comment on one of my videos on here and on Tik Tok saying my Apollo x8p is bad and other companies have better sound/conversion. I don't get the hate for UAD lol. Great video man!
I understand the hate but as I’ve tried to suggest in this video, I feel it’s unfairly misplaced. People Wana hate though…
Well done! It had to be said. I couldn’t live without UA Console for music, tracking, video, everything….. never mind the variety of plugins. No other vendor brings it all together.
Yeh. Same!
You missed a HUGE reason I stay with Apollo: live streaming without DAW overhead processing.
also what i dislike about the console app is no easy multing and matrix routing options.
I like the UAD unit and owned one for a while, but they are to expensive compared to competing solutions. Switched Focusrite Clarett. No one will ever dislike what ever I make on it because it does not have the Unison preamps (it is just a minor part of the final processed song). And have their plugins now through Spark. Also had an issue that the Thunderbolt cable lost connection from time to time. Had to do a reboot of PC to reconnect.
...i love Universal Audio ! ❤ my few Plug Ins ( LA2A, Distressor, Chanel Strip ) sounds really good and for less than 50 Bucks real useful, esp. the Chanel Strip is one of the best i've ever use.
I use Apollo twin X quad, this card completely covers my needs, great plugins and reliable trouble-free work 👍 after buying Apollo there is nothing more to want 😀
Excellent.
I adore UAD, waves is the metric for burning bridges with your customers while UAD have been reliable, easy and service minded.
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I own an x6 and 2 Octo satellite boxes. The DSP IS LIMITED. DSP power IS NOT spread over all plug in instances - It’s PER CHANNEL. Which means you regularly can only use 1 instance of a thing on that channel. That’s crap in 2024. Everything else though - Fab!
Yes, you can only use one instance of a UNISON preamp modeller. But you can use up to four UAD-2 plugins in the mo it or insert section on each channel, plus two Aux sends for effects. And you can print the monitor inserts so effectively giving you five stages of processing on each channel. Subject to DSP resources.
Have you adjusted the DSP Pairing feature? That will allow use of an additional DSP for that channel.
The only thing that really annoys me is that you need internet connection for using native plugins.
As it should because it’s unethical.
@@ghfjfghjasdfasdf totally. Their free native plugims as the la2a or the analog verbs released some months ago do not need internet conection and the license can be located in your pc, not the cloud
I would love an Apollo X8P and x16 to get my hybrid mixing/production setup going.
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had a apollo twin usb for 7 years - loved it, just updated to x6 and was a big mistake being on windows still, basically my intel 13th gen mobo with tb4 doesnt work with it properly (click and pops all the time), so I will have to update to mac, or get rid of ua. I like the ua plugingst too much so its hard saving for a mac now. Aside my problem here, id like to see updates to the plugins - values shown/wet dry knobs (the ones that dont have them), a built in tuner into console, would all be nice. the soundcards are all coming down in price, I paid 1.5k for a x6 when the used to be over 2k, so its looking like new stuff is around the corner
I love Apollo but I also love the apogee symphony desktop. I have an 8xp and a satellite octo honestly I love the flexibility along with console +24dbu capabilities
Exactly this - the flexibility!
I just switched from apollo x 6 to merging happy mk2. no regret! a different level indeed!! Especially the conversion! but I still holding my twins and my satellite only for the dip. maybe trading the twins to another satellite. Love the amphions too., sounding so unbelievable good!
Good choice!
I worked years with Apollo, and now with Audient. In my opinion, Audient sounds better. I'm not talking about beauty... I'm talking about clarity and precision. Flat and real. When we work, we don'y need colored sound, we need sincerity and precision.
I have an apollo x and 3 x octos and have their uafx pedals. They sound great, the plugins sound great, they're easy and quick to setup, no software or hardware issues, they just work. I've used countless audio interfaces and its the best package.
Glad you like them!
People who actually know their stuff still won’t buy Apollo. Instead, they’ll go with an RME + UAD Satellite combo. Why? Because with the concept of matrix routing, we can print their preamps in real-time in the DAW.
In terms of conversion, RME or even Focusrite (Clarett+ series) outperforms it. AVID’s, Rednet’s, and everything else outperforms it. To be honest, comparing Scarlett 2i2 to UAD devices is like comparing apples to oranges. People who state that there is no visible difference are probably listening on KRK Rokit speakers. 😆
Anyway, I understand the value you are proposing, but perhaps make a video with RME/UAD Satellite and show, with the help of matrix routing or even specific live software, how we can do that.
Also, in Windows, only the USB version works, and good luck getting Thunderbolt to work properly. People who use Discord and other software, rest in peace. The drivers are just wonderful isn't they?. oh wait, you got to login in to download drivers i suppose.
@@shyamlok Apollo is all about the convenience, reliability, all the useful features packed and nice UI of the console app. The difference in sound between UAD, Focusrite and RME is not a deciding factor when buying one of them. As an audio engineer I'm looking for something really stable and reliable which also has everything I need to get the work done. Apollo is delivering exactly that. Has it downsides? Of course, like every gear.
I went Prism + UAD Satellite combo
What data have you compared to determine this? Is this your opinion as you don’t use Apollo yourself, or are you an authority!? 😁
@@producermathew do i owe a decision to your wallet? no. do you like buying apollo? Buy it.
As an audio engineer myself, do i own an explanation to you? not really. Do i keep myself to an ecosystem? no.
Do i work in mac? no - i work in windows, do i like paying new price for dated converters? no.
Help yourself buddy, consider me an authrority or a troll, or whatever you want to.
@@huberttorzewski pretty accurate, if you work with clients or producers with similar gear and plugins, the process is much seamless.
I explained another side, whome might not be happy with universal audio, except going with their satellite, instead of their Audio interfaces, which are no joke tbh, but dont actually offer exactly what people like myself are looking for.
Anyone who needs more than the nice diagram at 0:47 to understand the value proposition of Apollo and UAD plugins needs to buy shoe polish and brushes and leave the industry to go shine shoes.
I ditched my Apollo in frustration because UAD plugins have let me down more often than all others combined. Reliability is at least as important as sound quality.
In Chile UAD apollos are very expensive, like 2 or 3 times the cost in USA or Europe, so for the same money you cant get way more channels an even better conversion (with audient, rme, motu, antelope, etc)
I have apollo x4 and clarett 4pre + , I think they both sound good but I do like using the apollo and satellite for taking some of the load off my computer,, uad plugins are priced high so I normally wait for sales, sometimes plugin boutique will have the same sale going but they have a rewards system for any plugin you buy from them not just uad , plugin boutique now has a uad 22 plugin bundle for 99 dollars which is a lot of plugins for the price and you can get the century tube channel strip for free right now in case nobody has that one.
Great video Ed, that was emotional.
You change from psi to amphion?? Or keep both
I’ve for both for now…
Ah the Paul Third fast forward audio! Are you paying him realtors.
Haha. I may have borrowed from him🤣
I don't like Universal Audio because I bought 276 VOLT because I wanted to have a mobile set up that had a built in compression it was unusable; the compressor was super noise-y and people tried to gaslight me and tell me that it was just background noise being compressed. No, the compressor in it was garbage. Also, the headphone knob only worked when it was cranked up a quarter of the way, it seemed like the potentiometer wasn't wired correctly.
I dont like UAD but they was right, Compressor is great on it, and for the headphones volume you got to use the right Impedance, this is an USB C bus powered interface so Its not made for 250 ohms headphones.
Ive had the apollo twin quad, x8p and x16. I sold them all, not because of the conversion or any of that crap(ive done countless tests and the difference are so minor in that price range its not really worth considering to me). I also think the unison preamps are a bunch or marketing mumbo jumbo. I can literally get the same effect with the plugins in my daw. All an all Im not bashing ua tho. I do love their plugins and interfaces(on mac). I just simply got annoyed having to always have my computer plugged into apollo for all my plugins to work. Im not big on excuses and l record and mix very quickly to meet my demands and i just found myself making the excuse of not being able to deliver on time because i wasn't able to access my plugins at all times.
For anyone reading this just pick one in the price bracket and stick with it and make music. Remember its not the conversion or the plugins ITS YOU!
Ive also tried rme, apogee symphony desktop and the mt 48. I stuck with the rme babyface pro fs. Not because of the conversion or anything of that. Its just basically invisible in my set up and not having to travel with a power cable is a big deal for my line of work.
Also I’ve never recorded an artist or mixed a song and they ask me what interface I'm running it through. All they care about is how it sounds when I'm done and it’s gonna sound damn good regardless of any of the following I'm working with.
Hey bro I love my Apollo Twin MKii for eight years but ….. those Apogee converters and preamps are the truth. I have the Apogee Symphony Desktop and the Duet 3 👀 nice…. I will agree the Dsp side of the Apollo’s are untouched for as ecosystem. The higher end Apogee stuff is nice bro.
I’ve always respected Apogee from what I’ve heard. 🤘
No midi input or output. I depend on it because I use edrums, even RMA, have it.
I love my Apollo and UAD dsp and Luna and UAD plug-ins and, and, and...
Good job dispelling the myths and shedding some light on the value of the ecosystem.
Brave calling out point 4. And you see this with a lot of things. Apple etc.. but most of those bitching really just hate being poor!
Thanks. Someone had to say it🤣
You made 1 mistake.... when you said no other interface offers the same qualities in daisy chaining like the Apollo..... That would be Antelope Audio. They are cheaper than the Apollos with better converters and clocking. Their software has come a long way. I have my Apollo X4 & UAD satellite (Octo) and decided to upgrade to the Antelope Orion 32+ versus the Apollo 16. Why? 1. It had more I/O, and expanding capabilities like MADI, as well with ADAT. 2. Has DSP plugins, 3. Better clocking 4. Better Dynamic range 5. It was cheaper by $700. and I was able to get a 10% discount through Andrew Masters affiliate. And it has been a superb interface. Take a look. I mainly use my Apollo x4 more like a monitor controller but still use the UAD satellite consistently. I have more outboard gear preamps now so the modeling is only when I am looking for a specific flavor.
Ok, that’s interesting. Thanks for the info. As far as I’m aware though, connecting digitally doesn’t enable the devices to share DSP resources like the Apollos. Fair enough about MADI but what studio uses that. It’s a live sound format. Also, the plugins are simply not in the same league. You’ll never get me anywhere near Antelope.
@@EdThornewhat’s wrong with Madi in a studio? i use it for expanding my I/O and save on re-patching. Works well. 😊
@@EdThorne FYI. Here are the following studios using Antelope Audio Abbey Road Studios, Universal Music, Metropolis Studios, Britannia Row, Netflix, Rak and Sarm plus many more.. Note Madi is becoming an industry standard and it will supplant ADAT because of the sheer number of channels it can handle. Antelope Audio Galaxy line is the flagship it is rivaling anything on the market now and again, number of I/O. They spent a number of years working on software and customer service. It is really good I heard for years to stay away from their interfaces but I can swear by it now. A friend was the one that suggested it to me and then I saw Andrew Masters built his new studio around it and a few other big RUclipsrs. It sounds unbelievable. Also the routing that you can duo via the software is just as good as RME. I have a ton of outboard gear and it took me a minute to get used to the software but once you do its a breeze on the number of things you can do.
@@EdThorne I was on an expanded Apollo system (2 X16s and an X8P), and was considering selling the X8P and getting two more X16s. I now use MADI to bridge together two Orion 32 G4s, giving me 64 channels of analog IO all the way up to 192khz, which I got for less than the cost of two X16s - I made money on the switch. They kick off a fraction of the heat, and consequently take up a fraction of the space in my rack. The conversion sounds better to my ears, and I already had enough outboard pres that I always use anyway. The routing capabilities on the Orion and Galaxy units is EXPONENTIALLY more powerful than the Apollos, and I was doing a lot of "advanced" stuff in console on a regular basis. I want to be clear - I think Apollos are great. If I were trying to put together a small rack to go do mobile recording sessions with, I'd put an X8P in there in a heartbeat. I think the Apollo Twin is the best thing available for the bedroom musician recording solo demos. Once you get past a certain degree of IO needed though, and you have a decent collection of outboard you generally want to track through anyway, the value proposition (and the routing capabilities) of the Apollos starts to fall apart very quickly. I LOVE UA, I LOVE Luna, and I would love nothing more than to see them revamp the Apollo line to include options that make more sense in those scenarios, but that's just the way things are right now.
@@melissabell585 Agree 100%. I don’t think Ed realizes how MADI is becoming an industry standard. I knew I made the right decision when I found out abbey Roads was using AA Galaxy and MADI…. I think people are still thinking it’s 2015 they have come so far with their customer service and their software. They new CEO wants them to rival RME and they have put a great deal of effort to ensure stability and they built a whole software team. I do think they can make the software a little more aesthetically pleasing like UA console but the routing capabilities is LIGHT YEARS ahead what the apollos offer and can’t forget the mixing options too. I love my Apollo X4 .
I got a Neve88
What’s that
Nice. Very good sounding interface. Great way to access real Neve pres.
A Neve audio interface.
woah, you on two15’s now?
Just got the Two18s, yes. Mixing very quickly on them!
@@EdThorne ahh thought they were 5” woofers. how you finding them dude? i love my one18’s.
@nath7185 I’ve got the One15s too but not using them atm. They’re great! So easy to mix on! Not impressive sounding but I’m really enjoying them.
Yes, their drivers prevent me from turning on Windows Memory Integrity. I'm probably one of the few that will complain about that.
I recently bought a used UAD Arrow for cheap. Was able to register it with UA and get some free plugins which I often use. I don't get the hate, UAD is GREAT. And i'm on windows 10. Just follow the setup instructions for windows and it really all works out. And I get extra plugins I can use if I end up maxing out my CPU which I often do. AND the unison preamps, high quality DA converters and headphone amp, whats not to like??
Do you have any idea how few people claim that UAD works on Windows… your setup is definitely an outlier and guess what, at some point, you will run into issues because UAD drivers for Windows are garbage and are not properly supported.
The fact that you have to be online and connected to their servers and DRM for their plugins to work/function is enough to despise this company.
UAD is overrated. Maybe you have not used enough other plugins to tell, or checked them on the meter. Also, buying an "audio interface" to run plugins is a scam, modern cpus are fully capable of running plugins well. Also, they are constantly running BS marketing campaigns to FOMO people into buying, instead of making good enough plugins that people want to buy due to value.
I love UAD but things are getting ridiculous.
Guess who's sponsoring this video..
Actually, no-one🙂
I really love UAD and their innovation …
You really showing your ignorance man, why commenting on something that you don't know even when Its obvious there no sponsors ?
Guess who can’t afford UAD 😊
@@EdThorne👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
You cannot use Neve without a uad interface… unless conveniently you buy uad spark subscription….
I’m not sure what you mean here. Can you be more specific?
@@EdThorne to run any of the neve related plugins on uad you are required to have a uad interface. unless you buy the uad spark subscription which allows you to use any of the uad plugin regardless of having a uad interface or not. (im not sure if this is the case for any other of the uad provided plugins) my point is that they are gatekeeping plugins behind a pay wall of either purchasing a interface and being sucked into that ecosystem, or buying a reoccurring subscription based system.
FIVE Reasons!! The fifth is that UAD loads >3Gb of plug-ins onto our systems without asking which ones we own/want. And then we are forced into workarounds to remove all of the crap we don't want. And this happens EVERY TIME we update firmware or software!
Not on my MAC
Learn how to use it. It’s not hard at all to disable unused plugins.
I love my Apollos…
When can we expect the hedd review? cheers
Oooh, good question. Before the end of the year 🤣🤞
the only way they can redeem themselves in my eyes is to open their driver to linux, so we can at least avoid all the fucking windows/apple spy&bloatware. i have a dedicated offline PC that runs windows7 in order to run my old apollo card and it is always a hell of an exercises to get that sonnet firewire driver up and running again, because UAD does not care once they have your money.
amphion two15? u upgraded amphion! guess PSI will b leaving soon?
Two18s. The PSIs will be replaced as and when they sell on Reverb.
@@EdThorne good call, now get the flex base 25s haha ! Amphions work really well with the trinnov system as well and they just translate !
I’m using the PSI sub I have for now. I don’t have space for the Amphion subs but one day, it’s an inevitable purchase 🤘
@@EdThorne Gotcha ,congrats mate !
Sold the Apollo, kept the Satellite
UAD would be great if they evolved but they have a BlackBerry mentality and with it being such a potential great product,with potential….you fail if you don’t make necessary changes all the way around even with pricing.
This video isn't for me them lol... I'm still a audience for now though
Me them?
Just get a mt48 😅
I think the vid misses out some key gripes with the Apollo and when it compares costs it’s not really accurate. Here’s why…. After you pay 700 to 800 quid you are then going to buy the other unison preamps and plugins which adds to the round trip cost. The cost once you’re stuck in their ecosystem is a never ending spiral. I think if they sold the Apollo and you could run anything on the dsp and/or choose to buy their plugins I would do the purchase. It’s the locked in part I don’t like.
I may tackle this point in a follow up video (if this one does well).
Apple Social Engineering nightmare sister UAD
You didnt have to buy
@@guyincascade I didn’t, it’s hypothetical
Heyy..If Universal Audio sponsored your video, mention it. Dammit. be honest about it. Gesh
Lucky this wasn’t sponsored by them then isn’t it?!
I tried 2 rme ucx II units and didn't like the conversion like at all. maybe dacs are better but yeah. Hoping to get a UAD rack and call it a day
The RME might be SO neutral that it sounds un-flattering and un-impressive. Maybe that’s why you didn’t like it?
I thought it sounded way too gritty and noisy in the highs. The lows/mids were good and in general the sound was linear in a good way. But yeah, not the highs for me personally.
Fair enough. You have to enjoy what you’re working on otherwise there’s no point. There’s a piece of gear for everyone but not everything is for everyone.
Why would anyone ever want their sound card to color anything?
I’ve had both an Apollo and a Fireface from RME and the latter is vastly superior. Also, there is no comparison between the two companies… UAD are fraudulent for selling anything “for Windows” and everyone knows why.
RME and their drivers are legends in the community… UAD wouldn’t make a wart on their arse.
I been stop dealing with uad , the plugins are good but not with the money , u can get better deals and just as great plugins with plugin alliance ,the apollos conversion is not the greatest either I sold my Apollo x8p and got the avid matrix , and for what they try to give u dsp wise with uad with there rack mount units are not worth the money either . but take this with a grain of salt .
I nave Apollo Twin audio interface, it’s good, but UA Connect is a complete piece of shit, every couple months I have to reinstall this shitty software because errors appearing and that’s pissed me of
"no difference in audible sound" compared to a scarlett interface means either you don't know how to use the device or you use shit speakers.
Agreed
Apollo shill.... 😆 Just kidding! But dude, you have to realize that not everyone needs that specific setup Apollo offers. If it's for a high profile studio and you literally have money to burn, then yes, otherwise it is a major overkill for a lot of content creators who may never use live DSP effects on audio recordings. All kinds of effects can be applied after the recording is done. Not everyone likes Macs or Intel with Thunderbolt. Especially Intel with their latest lackluster CPUs - terrible choice.
Stop with UAD please !!! Can you work with ?
Work with what?
@@EdThorne sure
1. Headphones sound shit on it, my SSL2+ is far better
2. Preamps make strange noise now and then and UAD can't explain it when you reach them
3. Bloatware running in the backgroud
4. Ilok
5. 1000+$ yet shitty cheap plastic feel
6. Overpriced based on hype, unison doesn't justify it Its just another piece of code that doesn't feel like the hardware even If Its great plugins
7. One knob is combersome, very irritating compared to my experience with SSL2, one knob for every feature making it lighting fast so you got better recording as workflow is far more important than any plugin
8. Every interface at this price is better
PC support? :(
I can’t comment on that, I’m Mac all the way.
So Antelopes software sucks but console is your fault you don’t understand. I don’t understand why the video is critical of the user rather than the product. I sure can afford it and yet believe is ridiculous expensive for what it offers. I rather buy apogee than a product that is barely comparable to Focusrite Claret. Even the new Scarlet has comparable converters. I like your videos, but you didn’t need to be so cynical with people who disagree with you. Believe me, there are valid reason why people don’t like Apollo stuff and not necessarily for the cynical reason you pointed out.
I’m All ears to other reasons I didn’t cover in the video.
@@EdThorne well, I just gave you one. Conversion is mediocre for the price. Yes, I can afford it, I just choose not to buy it. The new scarlet has comparable converters at a quarter of the price. Most composer care about AD conversion but will never even use the DA conversion because they will not mix or master. Second, I don’t like closed systems. Their system locks out unapproved companies from developing products for their DSP. Third, we don’t hate their DSP because it’s irrelevant in 2024. We dislike it because the DSP processors they offer are weak, outdated, and expensive in a price performance ratio. This is well known.
@@EdThorneI also forgot to mention. RME and Apogee are known for their support for legacy interfaces. UAD doesn’t have that reputation.
Why you want to sell psi ??? And they not work for you
They’re incredibly detailed speakers. Too detailed. I hear too many details that need fixing that result in sterile mixes that don’t translate well. I nail it on the Amphions which translate perfectly.
I don’t like them because their too popular I don’t want what everyone has 😂 TEAM #RME
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Apollo is great, no questions. But as soon as you need help from UA you are literally Fu**ED. Never had a more bad experience with a company in audio. That's sad because I have spent well over 7000 Euros in their hard and software.
Ah, I’m sorry to hear that.
they released the windows version.. there is nothig to do.. dont works
I think I do hate universal audio and their dsp nonsense. I don’t think that can be changed in my mind. All I see is a company they had really expensive plugins and now they suddenly want to give them away for free now that the competition has caught up and surpassed them.
Do you prefer Waves?
Do you prefer Waves?
@@EdThorne you know, I prefer anything that doesn’t have really iffy upgrade models like waves or pest like software as can be seen with universal audio. Last time I had their downloader/updater installed it honestly felt like malware.
You are totally being dishonest by ignoring the fact that UAD-2 DSP is ancient having been released way back in 2008. Yet UA is still expecting people to pay insane prices for these outdated DSP chips. I also find UA to be quite arrogant but thanks to Apple Silicon, UA had to eat humble pie. Otherwise, they wouldn't have released native versions of their plugins. I say this as a long time and current UAD-2/Apollo user. My next interface will be an RME. Recording with unison preamps is so overrated in my opinion
I fkin hate UAD just because LUNA is a pile of shite that doesn't work no matter what you do!!! I do still love UAD plugins even tho I've gashed everything of theirs off my computer now..... perhaps an overreaction.... 🤣
I’m in Logic and PT so can’t comment on using Luna other than the occasional stem mix to use the summing mixers but it’s been a while.
Nope!!!
Your questions in the frst 10 seconds - No! I have a mild niggle though. Can they stop with this plugin authorization manager that lists plugins in the order they were developed instead of alphabetically or buy whether or not the user owns a license? Such a simple thing to fix in the GUI, but they will not listen to the numerous customers who repeatedly ask for this!