Unfortunately, its true. While I don't really like being a critical fella, especially to another team since I'm a Nuggets fan, I followed the Bulls quite well cause of D Rose. Tom had them playing great basketball, and with Fred it seems like they don't know 'who they are' for lack of better words.
+Luis Munoz I think it's a process dude.I'm not defending Hoiberg but Thibs sets play is really boring. You won't see McDermott and other rookies to be playing more than 12 minutes. I think Bulls need to rebuild around Butler, McDermott, Niko and Portis.
+Luis Munoz Honestly, this looks good as a highlight video. I saw way too many games in that era where the offense looked horrendous and we'd go 4-5 minutes without a single bucket. I think the players need time to get out of the previous mindset and into the one that Fred's trying to instill. We also need to make a couple moves to bring in better personnel for the new system.
+Pan6100 It was always a chemistry problem with the Bulls, I think their offense was bad at times because their players couldn't stay on the court to play together. The whole time Thibs was there the team was never healthy. Rose, Noah, Boozer, or Butler were always hurt, you could blame that on Thibs because of his minutes use or maybe just bad luck. You can't become a great team unless you're healthy, I believe that if the Bulls could have stayed healthy a full season they would have won a championship under Thibs by now.
one of the reasons thibs may not have been considered an offensive-minded coach, is while he ran decent-to-great sets near the beginning of the game or even 1st half, come 4th quarter in almost any game, he often stopped being fancy on offense, and defaulted to really simple sets repeatedly; simple pnr's with rose on offense, with an emphasis on stingy defense. if thibs' going to theoretically coach the knicks exactly the way he coached the bulls, you're not going to get many beautiful triangle-offense-influenced sets in the 4th when the game's on the line.
+ReCharredSigh This is where Phil comes in. He could surely help to deal with the end of game tactics. It also matters what talent you have and DRose being injured so much didn't help.
+Jose Mendiola Bulls need to seriously get rid of pau gasol and aaron brooks for a backup point guard and a better wing player. These 2 guys can't play defense and pau is too old to play starter minutes and he refuses to play bench minutes
+BBALLBREAKDOWN Obviously he would build the system around his ideals but also work around the players on the knicks roster. Fancy offense for a defense minded coach will make playing that stingy defense in the 4th more difficult. Do you think the Knicks would really flourish with their current roster under Thibs? I'd love a hypothetical video like that. Showing what the Knicks players could do if they were to play the triangle well.
So what exactly is Hoibergs offense then? And why isn't working with the Bulls mess of a roster? It seems like Thibs was very underrated on the offensive philosophies. This video makes me want to have Thibs come back to the Bulls.
great stuff. triangle is nice to watch with all the movement. players should love it, because everyone gets touches and chances. the problem in Chicago wasnt Thibs offense, the Bulls have to many offensive challenged players.
+BBALLBREAKDOWN Coach, if you've got the time I'd love to see you highlight how & why the Bulls have struggled and disappointed so much through the All Star break (esp. their recent slump).
Coach Nick, would you consider doing an on-court demo of all the basic terminology as a kind of visual basketball glossary, shuffle cuts, pin-downs, etc.?
This was an awesome video, really opened up my mind and changed my opinion of Coach Thibs. You put in a lot of work for this video and it shows, great job.
thibs version of the triangle is a thing of beauty. Gotta see if my coach can put this into practice. Now I see why Phil Jackson picked thibs old players in free agency.
Spurs Motion STRONG is a great way to distract the defense BEFORE transforming into Triangle Offense = the 4-Man who helps set the Double-Staggered Screen fades-out/ flares-out to the WING SPOT after setting the last Pindown Screen. Center runs back across the lane a 2nd time, Block-to-Block into his original spot.
This just made me miss good old Noah, a lot of plays from when he was carrying the team, to me he is 2-3 times better than Pau, I remember Lakers fans telling me and other Bulls fans that after 1season we would be sick of him and it would be more than half are, also Noah gets injured now the Bulls have gone 4-13, he plays hard, never quits and is the best passing big man in the NBA, if he doesn't stay with the Bulls he should sign with the GSW, he would be a perfect fit with them.
Coach Nick, right now I think Tim Duncan is number one, and if not definitely top 5 in DBPM. Please breakdown his effect on the Spurs defense and how he impacts the game
I love the triangle offense. I just hoped that New York or Lakers will implement them and pick up Tom for it. I hope that 2ksports will also have them on their nba video games.
+stupid2574 The fact that he didn't get along with the front office didn't help. Owners and GMs in all sports nowadays want a yesman, that's why there's a lot of terrible coaches. It's hilarious because they also all want a Popovich, who is a guy who tell it how it is.
this is really, really a good breakdown on thib's bulls offense. thanks coach and yes on one hand, I'm starting to feel he ought to be considered for the job bcos of his defense philosophy and this is obviously what the current knicks is lacking. on the other, I have issue with his player rotation approach.
do the knicks really have to hire a coach who coaches the triangle exclusively? Phil is gonna have his guy Kurt on the coaching staff anyways and he can implement the triangle while a guy like thibs runs the defense. and thibs is obviously is fine with the team running the triangle so why not phil?
Don't sleep on them going after jimmy butler or atleast sign Noah in free agency and deng to come off the bench... If I'm durant I would look at that team more over anyone. Wolves are the future
Phil should hire Thibbs it's really a no brainer, A defensive minded coach and judging by this video he knows how to run the triangle plus he wants to come to New York.
I'm already spreading the news on this and hopefully EVERYONE that loves the Knicks will do the same. Phil will get the message if we all speak out. TEAM THIBS!
Thanks Coach Nick for another interesting and insightful video. I always enjoy them and they enable me to understand strategy and gain a much deeper appreciation of basketball. I have a question in which I would be interested in your thoughts. The aspects of the triangle you highlighted make it seem as though it would completely destroy the rest of the NBA. To quote at 4:45 "How can any defense possibly defend this?". While you make this claim, how do you reconcile the fact that the Bulls ranked 24th and 27th in offensive efficiency in 2012-13 and 13-14, but were 5th in 2011-12 (before rose was injured) and 10th in 2014-15 (when Butler made his mark and the Bulls acquired Gasol)? Doesn't this suggest talent is the most important, more so over the type of system being used?
It is hard to reconcile, you are right. I think a big part was the roster turnover year after year, plus the injuries. There was never much stability to grow as an offensive unit. Also, they only ran the triangle somewhere around 30% of the time, which I believe makes it hard because the offense is a little schizophrenic. The Bulls and Lakers committed to it all the time...
Wow Tom Thibodeau actually ran triangle offense. Oh man i hope Phil at least have him as an option. I really don't think Brian Shaw would do any good for the Knicks. He has four months to decide. Great video, if they hire Tom Thibodeau I hope u get a cut lol
Did he do this because he had a slightly past his prime Pau Gasol? Perhaps Phil did notice maybe that is why he picked up Noah for the Knicks and and their star point guard Derrick Rose who suspiciously talked about how the Triangle offense did not match his talent and skill set. (Carmelo Influence maybe?
Coach since twolves just hired thibs do you think its a good fit? I worry about his tendency to overplay guys specially rubio who is injury prone. Another thing is that the triangle if i understand correctly doesn't really take full advantage of Rubio's skillset. He's a ball dominant pass 1st PG with very limited offense. I could be wrong. Or unless thibs knocks some sense into him and he starts to shoot well.
Can't defend against it perfectly when it has the right pieces because it creates slashing lanes, Curling lanes r one on one opportunities with GREAT ONE ON ONE PLAYERS. IN honesty.. It's basic basketball at its finest... This offense obliterated the "Pick and Roll" quite easily.
+a week ago Depends on what you run for personnel for defense. If they can't communicate well and see where players are going to be, then the triangle just does its thing. Its not just one a man thing. Its a concerted effort to stop the ball from moving and flowing at each junction.
Carmelo and Porzingis will both have a field day with Thibs at the helm. They'll get so many minutes and touches at the post. Knicks also have more personnel suited for the Triangle than the Bulls. If problems will arise, it will be more mental and psychological. I don't know how the Knicks especially Carmelo wouldl react under a tough disciplinarian. Also will there be a power struggle between Phil and Thibs?
I will counter this argument by stating that 1. guys are looking for the 'home-run' pass so often that they are frequently missing the right pass. this video accentuates the times when it works, but it's still clear when good pass opportunities are being overlooked. and 2. there are many instances of opportunities of cuts that will wield buckets that are not realized by the players. I still love Thibs as a coach overall, but billing him as a both sides of the ball guy is over selling him. I understand that the guys on the court are like 60% responsible for the problems I mentioned, but truly good offensive coaching takes care of that
The triangle isn't even intended to be a super high powered GSW type of offense in the first place, the point of the triangle is to take the talent that you do have and if they lack in certain aspects of offense, the triangle puts them in position to maximize their strengths. Also it is a time controlling offense so if you execute correctly, this offense will give you a great building block to start every defensive possession. The 90's Bulls were never the highest scoring team, and neither was the 2000's Lakers but in the playoffs, the triangle got them the baskets they needed and because the clock was being controlled there defense was that much stronger leading to championships. Perfect for Thibs if he can turn around the Knicks. They need more hustle role players like Lance Thomas who can play multiple positions and GUARD multiple positions. Build a team of hustle players around Porzingis, find an elite point guard (Westbrook 2017), and they become a contender
This dude is about to take over the MN Timberwolves. He is going to be coach and President of Operations. I can't wait to see what he does with Ricky Rubio, Andrew Wiggins, Zack Lavine and Karl Anthony Towns plus they are going to get yet another top 10 draft pick. This team with Thib's defense will become a legit threat in the west.
+Bryanwny it's crazy how many people who are head coaches after phil Jackson's influence have all failed. the only one who hasn't failed is steve kerr, and even then you could argue he's more heavily influenced by pop. luke Walton could be the next phil disciple who does well, but then you could make the argument that because he started as an assistant to steve kerr, that he picked up on more coaching principles than just phil's.
+Ernesto Hendrix is stevens influenced by phil? i didn't know that. i think when i said influenced, i meant it in the sense that the head coaches now have either been former players or assistant coaches to pop/phil. so in that vein, those who have taken after phil have overwhelmingly failed. on the other hand, almost all of pop's disciples have done well.
i'm a bulls fan, but i will root for thibs no matter where he goes, even if it's to the knicks. he's such a great coach. the bulls' front office is trash for firing him.
Wished the Bull never fired Thibs, i personally like good defensive coaches but i think his rotations needed a lot of room to improve on because he played his role players for too long all the time and you could see it in the play-offs.
I BEG Thibs to come back. Fire the front office. Even though they've been decimated by injury this year, they've been lost all season. When they had injuries with Thibs...the bench players really stepped up. Now these guys are regressing.
As a Knicks fan the moment the Bulls fired thibs I wanted him to replace Derek fisher lol. I've watched most of the Knicks game and it seems like fisher makes little impact on the game and his reluctancy to play young players frustrates me.
+Vol deMort Definitely is worth learning. If you can run triangle with a team, you will excel at basketball. Just remember there are two sides of the floor. When I play in Leagues or even with friends and I have team members who can run the triangle it is very very hard to beat when it is done right. Easy wide open shots and layups. I usually end up being the only one who does the pinch post work, basically the position in this video that pau and noah run even though I'm not very tall. I notice a lot more players prefer to be guards or SG's during pick up games and such.
Coach why do today's NBA offenses are mainly focused on pick and rolls? and why offensive sets like the triangle and princeton offenses have become less successful in today's NBA.. I run a triangle with my high school team that is somwhat similar to Coach Tim Cone from the Philippines run because it is an offensive set that teaches players to develop their fundamentals and I find it disappointing that pick and rolls are dominant in the NBA and in my opinion, it sets a bad example for young and developing players if they continue to see this kind of offense instead of relying on ball movement, body movement and reading plays as it happens
+StraightButGay NBA is entertainment first IMO. PnR is easy to follow, leads to exciting plays and highlights key players. Makes it easy for casual fans to follow. PnR will give D.Jordan an alley oop from chris paul. Triangle to an open lay up or a mid range jumper is great from a coaches perspective but isn't nearly as entertaining to a fan sitting on a coach or in the stands. That is partially what I believe. Also learning a system takes a lot of time, and requires all the players to collaborate and buy into the rolls of that offense. If guys are being traded to different systems constantly it can be a little more difficult. The spurs have a great thing going, the warriors too. Implementing a system efficiently like triangle cannot just be done on the fly. As mentioned you need to be able to read plays as they develop and perform the correct option. Triangle offense is so beautiful when performed properly and the fundamentals are so important to the game. I agree it is a shame more are not using it. shout out to the Philippines. I have played with guys from the PBA and they really understand motion offense and systems like the triangle and Princeton offense.
+Like that or like this yeah here in the Philippines, teamwork and ball movement is always a priority.. even when playing pick up you will seldom see players go one on one.. me as a young coach, i much rather see sets being ran and seeing a system that actually is running instead of PnRs... its beautiful to watch when u see your players run a play successfully because u know it was successful because u know that ur players believe in the system..
seems like he had some tough breaks but im no expert, I just like him cos I remember him doing things like knocking the ball away from opposing players
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This video coming full circle ⭕️ is something no knicks fans ever expected 😂
Hahaha we might run the triangle after all 😂😂😂
Oh yes it did!
Who’s here after the Knicks hired Thibodeau?
Me
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Crazy how much better some of this offense looks compared to the current day Bulls. :(
Unfortunately, its true. While I don't really like being a critical fella, especially to another team since I'm a Nuggets fan, I followed the Bulls quite well cause of D Rose. Tom had them playing great basketball, and with Fred it seems like they don't know 'who they are' for lack of better words.
+Luis Munoz I think it's a process dude.I'm not defending Hoiberg but Thibs sets play is really boring. You won't see McDermott and other rookies to be playing more than 12 minutes. I think Bulls need to rebuild around Butler, McDermott, Niko and Portis.
Grammatical Erorr True :)
+Luis Munoz Honestly, this looks good as a highlight video. I saw way too many games in that era where the offense looked horrendous and we'd go 4-5 minutes without a single bucket.
I think the players need time to get out of the previous mindset and into the one that Fred's trying to instill. We also need to make a couple moves to bring in better personnel for the new system.
+Pan6100 It was always a chemistry problem with the Bulls, I think their offense was bad at times because their players couldn't stay on the court to play together. The whole time Thibs was there the team was never healthy. Rose, Noah, Boozer, or Butler were always hurt, you could blame that on Thibs because of his minutes use or maybe just bad luck. You can't become a great team unless you're healthy, I believe that if the Bulls could have stayed healthy a full season they would have won a championship under Thibs by now.
Who's even more hyped for the 2021-22 Knickerbockers! Thanks bro
Coach, I really think you should be coaching at least at the college level. Your understanding of the game is great, plus youre a great comunicator
Thanks! You never know...
+BBALLBREAKDOWN You wanna coach the Knicks for us? You seem to be pretty knowledgeable in just about everything basketball related...
I think coach likes RUclips 🤣🤣
one of the reasons thibs may not have been considered an offensive-minded coach, is while he ran decent-to-great sets near the beginning of the game or even 1st half, come 4th quarter in almost any game, he often stopped being fancy on offense, and defaulted to really simple sets repeatedly; simple pnr's with rose on offense, with an emphasis on stingy defense.
if thibs' going to theoretically coach the knicks exactly the way he coached the bulls, you're not going to get many beautiful triangle-offense-influenced sets in the 4th when the game's on the line.
I hear ya. Perhaps that could change in this setting...
+ReCharredSigh This is where Phil comes in. He could surely help to deal with the end of game tactics. It also matters what talent you have and DRose being injured so much didn't help.
+BBALLBREAKDOWN you should make a video on why the bulls stink with this new coach. they have no defense and the offense is worse under Fred.
+Jose Mendiola Bulls need to seriously get rid of pau gasol and aaron brooks for a backup point guard and a better wing player. These 2 guys can't play defense and pau is too old to play starter minutes and he refuses to play bench minutes
+BBALLBREAKDOWN Obviously he would build the system around his ideals but also work around the players on the knicks roster. Fancy offense for a defense minded coach will make playing that stingy defense in the 4th more difficult. Do you think the Knicks would really flourish with their current roster under Thibs? I'd love a hypothetical video like that. Showing what the Knicks players could do if they were to play the triangle well.
thibs won even without his best players. as a fan to me thats the mark of an elite coach
Absolutely
So what exactly is Hoibergs offense then? And why isn't working with the Bulls mess of a roster? It seems like Thibs was very underrated on the offensive philosophies. This video makes me want to have Thibs come back to the Bulls.
The bulls were better with boozer
+Miltonman100 the hype man!
+Miltonman100 Defensively, yeah but Gasol is better offense. Boozers shoulders are huge which helped with screens and for getting boards.
I remember commenting on coach's video of hoiberg's offense, on it being to simple for the NBA
+bergy565 Thibs wasnt great in giving players mintues. He played rose and butler way too much, wore them down too quickly
Great video as always Coach!
Thanks!! #ImIn
Knicks are currently 5-3 and look impressive in 2021, Coach Thibodeau's 1st yr with the team.
Thibs is one of the best coaches of all time, any team that get's him will be beyond lucky.
Sincerely a LONG time Bulls fan.
great stuff.
triangle is nice to watch with all the movement. players should love it, because everyone gets touches and chances.
the problem in Chicago wasnt Thibs offense, the Bulls have to many offensive challenged players.
this has got to be why Pau fit so well his first year
I tweeted this to hin
him
+Kenneth Pecoraro Thank you.
did you ask him how it's goink?
this is like a throwback these clips so old.
Coach Nick please send this to Phil Jackson's Twitter ASAP. If we hire Coach Thibs there is a championship coming to NYC soon.
I wanted him to coach Knicks since start of the season.
Hello
@@SyahmiHaziq32 Guess I was somewhat right .
as a knick fan I want Phil to hire YOU!! I'm not playin
What a great coach Tom Thibodeau is. You talk about getting the most out of your players, these young timberwolves are looking tenacious!
iv watched basically all of your videos and almost every day. great video
That's awesome, thanks!! 👍🏀💪
+BBALLBREAKDOWN Coach, if you've got the time I'd love to see you highlight how & why the Bulls have struggled and disappointed so much through the All Star break (esp. their recent slump).
I'll do this next week!
did you have a "why the kings fired george karl video" ready? lol
Amazing. More amazing work from BBallBreakdown. Great stuff Coach Nick.
I've learned so much since I started watching these videos with coach nick
Coach Nick, would you consider doing an on-court demo of all the basic terminology as a kind of visual basketball glossary, shuffle cuts, pin-downs, etc.?
Here's one thing I did: ruclips.net/video/S6DGGJ5HF8s/видео.html
But I definitely need to do another one...
As a bulls fan, I can truely say I miss thibideau. I hope he does well wherever he goes
+BearsFootballGuy don't we just love hoiberg :(
Oof
This was an awesome video, really opened up my mind and changed my opinion of Coach Thibs. You put in a lot of work for this video and it shows, great job.
great video as always coach
thibs version of the triangle is a thing of beauty. Gotta see if my coach can put this into practice. Now I see why Phil Jackson picked thibs old players in free agency.
Coach, your one scary guy. Thx for the info I for one never even realize he ran the triangle
Spurs Motion STRONG is a great way to distract the defense BEFORE transforming into Triangle Offense = the 4-Man who helps set the Double-Staggered Screen fades-out/ flares-out to the WING SPOT after setting the last Pindown Screen.
Center runs back across the lane a 2nd time, Block-to-Block into his original spot.
Attention Phil: Coach Nick is a Triangle Offense Coach
#hirecoachnick
One of your best videos
That would be so awesome of coach Thibs come to the Knicks, I might finally go see a Knick game or two just to see him.
Great breakdown, coach!
They finally listened to you Coach
Pindown Screen right before Guard-to-Guard pass was a revelation 😂😂😂😂.
Should be used for 2018 !!!
excellent job coach
Thanks for breakdown coach!
You got it!
This just made me miss good old Noah, a lot of plays from when he was carrying the team, to me he is 2-3 times better than Pau, I remember Lakers fans telling me and other Bulls fans that after 1season we would be sick of him and it would be more than half are, also Noah gets injured now the Bulls have gone 4-13, he plays hard, never quits and is the best passing big man in the NBA, if he doesn't stay with the Bulls he should sign with the GSW, he would be a perfect fit with them.
Best channel on youtube.
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I never realized this while watching them play . Interesting
Coach Nick, right now I think Tim Duncan is number one, and if not definitely top 5 in DBPM. Please breakdown his effect on the Spurs defense and how he impacts the game
I love the triangle offense. I just hoped that New York or Lakers will implement them and pick up Tom for it.
I hope that 2ksports will also have them on their nba video games.
Wish we kept Thibs......
Instead he was a scapegoat
I was expecting change that off season but not like that. The guy made Loul Noah jimmy rose all stars.
+Bulls'Fan how does he not have a job yet?
Exactly, Hoidberg is scared to make adjustments that suit us
+stupid2574
The fact that he didn't get along with the front office didn't help. Owners and GMs in all sports nowadays want a yesman, that's why there's a lot of terrible coaches. It's hilarious because they also all want a Popovich, who is a guy who tell it how it is.
Can you do a video on chicago and what they need and how they can better their offense ?
beautiful offense!
I swear this video should've been sent to the knicks front office
finally caught one of these as it came out
this is really, really a good breakdown on thib's bulls offense. thanks coach and yes on one hand, I'm starting to feel he ought to be considered for the job bcos of his defense philosophy and this is obviously what the current knicks is lacking. on the other, I have issue with his player rotation approach.
Thanks so much. I have to imagine he's had a chance to reflect during his time off and know how he could coach even better now.
At least he had a rotation unlike Fisher.
we miss you thibs we nearly a below 500. team wihtout him :(
Great post.
do the knicks really have to hire a coach who coaches the triangle exclusively? Phil is gonna have his guy Kurt on the coaching staff anyways and he can implement the triangle while a guy like thibs runs the defense. and thibs is obviously is fine with the team running the triangle so why not phil?
I don't think you understand how bad a coach Kurt Rambis is
Great video coach, one of your best this year... But I'd rather see him bring the triangle to Minnesota!
Your wish came true
Ohhhh yeah!
Don't sleep on them going after jimmy butler or atleast sign Noah in free agency and deng to come off the bench... If I'm durant I would look at that team more over anyone. Wolves are the future
Phil should hire Thibbs it's really a no brainer, A defensive minded coach and judging by this video he knows how to run the triangle plus he wants to come to New York.
You can feel the pleasure coach Nick has for the triangle seeping throughout this video...
Welp, that was utterly and completely awesome af.
Thanks! #ImIn
I'll watch&share that 10x. Real good vid. What does Phil's tweet mean by "the details... Devils footwork ️etc" explain
Coach Nick, I hope you get an appropriate and well deserved finders fee.
Haha! Thx
Charge commission? There's an idea =] great video coach
man I miss couch Thibs.! well put video !! O well Chicago Bulls there's always next decade :(
Someone needs to tweet this Phil ASAP
I'm already spreading the news on this and hopefully EVERYONE that loves the Knicks will do the same. Phil will get the message if we all speak out. TEAM THIBS!
Thanks Coach Nick for another interesting and insightful video. I always enjoy them and they enable me to understand strategy and gain a much deeper appreciation of basketball.
I have a question in which I would be interested in your thoughts. The aspects of the triangle you highlighted make it seem as though it would completely destroy the rest of the NBA. To quote at 4:45 "How can any defense possibly defend this?". While you make this claim, how do you reconcile the fact that the Bulls ranked 24th and 27th in offensive efficiency in 2012-13 and 13-14, but were 5th in 2011-12 (before rose was injured) and 10th in 2014-15 (when Butler made his mark and the Bulls acquired Gasol)? Doesn't this suggest talent is the most important, more so over the type of system being used?
It is hard to reconcile, you are right. I think a big part was the roster turnover year after year, plus the injuries. There was never much stability to grow as an offensive unit. Also, they only ran the triangle somewhere around 30% of the time, which I believe makes it hard because the offense is a little schizophrenic. The Bulls and Lakers committed to it all the time...
Reminds me how "Hoiball" is just the principle of, "let's try and push the ball" and not much else
Wow Tom Thibodeau actually ran triangle offense. Oh man i hope Phil at least have him as an option. I really don't think Brian Shaw would do any good for the Knicks. He has four months to decide. Great video, if they hire Tom Thibodeau I hope u get a cut lol
Did he do this because he had a slightly past his prime Pau Gasol? Perhaps Phil did notice maybe that is why he picked up Noah for the Knicks and and their star point guard Derrick Rose who suspiciously talked about how the Triangle offense did not match his talent and skill set. (Carmelo Influence maybe?
Coach since twolves just hired thibs do you think its a good fit? I worry about his tendency to overplay guys specially rubio who is injury prone. Another thing is that the triangle if i understand correctly doesn't really take full advantage of Rubio's skillset. He's a ball dominant pass 1st PG with very limited offense. I could be wrong. Or unless thibs knocks some sense into him and he starts to shoot well.
coach do a video teaching how to stop the triangle offense
+a week ago
If do right, no can defend.
+EGarrett01 not necessarily. Defense just has to really disguise what it's doing. Very difficult to do, but doesn't mean the offense is unstoppable.
Can't defend against it perfectly when it has the right pieces because it creates slashing lanes, Curling lanes r one on one opportunities with GREAT ONE ON ONE PLAYERS. IN honesty.. It's basic basketball at its finest... This offense obliterated the "Pick and Roll" quite easily.
+a week ago Depends on what you run for personnel for defense. If they can't communicate well and see where players are going to be, then the triangle just does its thing. Its not just one a man thing. Its a concerted effort to stop the ball from moving and flowing at each junction.
nice breakdown
You sure Phil was holding up a triangle for his team to set up the offense... OR?! *Cues X-Files theme*
Where do you find all older nba games on video
Should The Wizards Fire Randy Wittman?
If so, who Should they Hire?
Carmelo and Porzingis will both have a field day with Thibs at the helm.
They'll get so many minutes and touches at the post.
Knicks also have more personnel suited for the Triangle than the Bulls.
If problems will arise, it will be more mental and psychological. I don't know how the Knicks especially Carmelo wouldl react under a tough disciplinarian. Also will there be a power struggle between Phil and Thibs?
This could be a problem with Melo, but the biggest thing is to make sure he doesn't play guys more than 36 mins a game..
I will counter this argument by stating that 1. guys are looking for the 'home-run' pass so often that they are frequently missing the right pass. this video accentuates the times when it works, but it's still clear when good pass opportunities are being overlooked. and 2. there are many instances of opportunities of cuts that will wield buckets that are not realized by the players. I still love Thibs as a coach overall, but billing him as a both sides of the ball guy is over selling him. I understand that the guys on the court are like 60% responsible for the problems I mentioned, but truly good offensive coaching takes care of that
Fair point, but you're also describing every offense at every level.
Anyone, please answer! Is the triangle something you run every offensive possession? I coach a team. They don't like to move without the ball.
I noticed that you showed clips after Rose's injury. I guess it made him wake up.
Can the triangle offense be used against a zone
The triangle isn't even intended to be a super high powered GSW type of offense in the first place, the point of the triangle is to take the talent that you do have and if they lack in certain aspects of offense, the triangle puts them in position to maximize their strengths. Also it is a time controlling offense so if you execute correctly, this offense will give you a great building block to start every defensive possession. The 90's Bulls were never the highest scoring team, and neither was the 2000's Lakers but in the playoffs, the triangle got them the baskets they needed and because the clock was being controlled there defense was that much stronger leading to championships. Perfect for Thibs if he can turn around the Knicks. They need more hustle role players like Lance Thomas who can play multiple positions and GUARD multiple positions. Build a team of hustle players around Porzingis, find an elite point guard (Westbrook 2017), and they become a contender
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Dunleavy is a really solid vet
This dude is about to take over the MN Timberwolves. He is going to be coach and President of Operations. I can't wait to see what he does with Ricky Rubio, Andrew Wiggins, Zack Lavine and Karl Anthony Towns plus they are going to get yet another top 10 draft pick. This team with Thib's defense will become a legit threat in the west.
deomartinez77 great start right now
Who's here after he got fired again
id rather have a guidance counsellor than a good offensive coach as a head coach. coach that understands people and what makes them tick.
plz somebody call Phil or tweet it to him. Too bad Phil wants people that are Triangle AND under his tree. But Phil wants power and so does Tom.
+Bryanwny Yeah but Thibs doesn't have a job
+Bryanwny it's crazy how many people who are head coaches after phil Jackson's influence have all failed. the only one who hasn't failed is steve kerr, and even then you could argue he's more heavily influenced by pop.
luke Walton could be the next phil disciple who does well, but then you could make the argument that because he started as an assistant to steve kerr, that he picked up on more coaching principles than just phil's.
ReCharredSigh Brad Stevens is doing pretty good
+Ernesto Hendrix is stevens influenced by phil? i didn't know that. i think when i said influenced, i meant it in the sense that the head coaches now have either been former players or assistant coaches to pop/phil. so in that vein, those who have taken after phil have overwhelmingly failed. on the other hand, almost all of pop's disciples have done well.
ReCharredSigh oh i didnt read the part where you wrote influenced
So thats why Pau fit perfectly 2014-2015.
so does this make Randle Pau or Boozer?
man i would kill to have thibs in miami.
i'm a bulls fan, but i will root for thibs no matter where he goes, even if it's to the knicks. he's such a great coach. the bulls' front office is trash for firing him.
Wished the Bull never fired Thibs, i personally like good defensive coaches but i think his rotations needed a lot of room to improve on because he played his role players for too long all the time and you could see it in the play-offs.
i always knew he wouldn't have problem with triangle
Coach could you say who is the choach for the cavs?
(Sorry for my englisch im from Germany)
The coach now? It's Tyronn Lue, who was David Blatt's assistant
+BBALLBREAKDOWN i think he is not the right one he is to soft
i guess the Minnesota brass didn't embrace the old Tex Winter innovation the triangle offense..
I BEG Thibs to come back. Fire the front office. Even though they've been decimated by injury this year, they've been lost all season. When they had injuries with Thibs...the bench players really stepped up. Now these guys are regressing.
Coach what do you think of Lebron at #3 all time according to ESPN?
He certainly should be right at the top!
As a Knicks fan the moment the Bulls fired thibs I wanted him to replace Derek fisher lol. I've watched most of the Knicks game and it seems like fisher makes little impact on the game and his reluctancy to play young players frustrates me.
i have a dumb stupid Question. Is the Triangle Offense the best Offense there is in Basketball? Is it worth it to learn its Principles?
+Vol deMort Definitely is worth learning. If you can run triangle with a team, you will excel at basketball. Just remember there are two sides of the floor. When I play in Leagues or even with friends and I have team members who can run the triangle it is very very hard to beat when it is done right. Easy wide open shots and layups. I usually end up being the only one who does the pinch post work, basically the position in this video that pau and noah run even though I'm not very tall. I notice a lot more players prefer to be guards or SG's during pick up games and such.
+Like that or like this the post up game is not doing so well right now. Everyone wants to shoot 3s.
Its principles are universal for any good offense. Google the 7 principles of a sound offense from Tex, and you'll see.
Coach why do today's NBA offenses are mainly focused on pick and rolls? and why offensive sets like the triangle and princeton offenses have become less successful in today's NBA.. I run a triangle with my high school team that is somwhat similar to Coach Tim Cone from the Philippines run because it is an offensive set that teaches players to develop their fundamentals and I find it disappointing that pick and rolls are dominant in the NBA and in my opinion, it sets a bad example for young and developing players if they continue to see this kind of offense instead of relying on ball movement, body movement and reading plays as it happens
That and everyone plays ice defense. Which was made famous per say by Thibs
+StraightButGay NBA is entertainment first IMO. PnR is easy to follow, leads to exciting plays and highlights key players. Makes it easy for casual fans to follow. PnR will give D.Jordan an alley oop from chris paul. Triangle to an open lay up or a mid range jumper is great from a coaches perspective but isn't nearly as entertaining to a fan sitting on a coach or in the stands. That is partially what I believe. Also learning a system takes a lot of time, and requires all the players to collaborate and buy into the rolls of that offense. If guys are being traded to different systems constantly it can be a little more difficult. The spurs have a great thing going, the warriors too. Implementing a system efficiently like triangle cannot just be done on the fly. As mentioned you need to be able to read plays as they develop and perform the correct option. Triangle offense is so beautiful when performed properly and the fundamentals are so important to the game. I agree it is a shame more are not using it. shout out to the Philippines. I have played with guys from the PBA and they really understand motion offense and systems like the triangle and Princeton offense.
+Like that or like this even if it looks complicated for the casual fan you have to appreciate the beauty of the triangle when run correctly
+Like that or like this yeah here in the Philippines, teamwork and ball movement is always a priority.. even when playing pick up you will seldom see players go one on one.. me as a young coach, i much rather see sets being ran and seeing a system that actually is running instead of PnRs... its beautiful to watch when u see your players run a play successfully because u know it was successful because u know that ur players believe in the system..
+Iceburgg Slimm the defense that Thibs ran was beautiful to watch.. wish he was still the coach because hoiberg sucks
phil needs to see this
Do you think he would be a good coach for the Timberwolves?
Yeah, if he doesn't over play people.
Sounds good to me. Thanks always for your videos. Love watching them!
+jigglypuff09 Yes, id rather see him on the Timberwolves to see them develop along with this offense, this is huge.
+jigglypuff09 Also ive noticed that how much space the big's get on this offense, towns is a perfect option for these spots on the floor.
+Jay Tran For reaaaal. T-Wolves currently have no spacing. Thibodeau's offense makes a lot of sense for the Wolves.
Coach- If you were to coach a team at, say college level, what would be some of your key philosophies on offense and defense?
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Well, I'm a pure triangle coach, so it would look similar to what Bulls and Lakers did, but in reality a lot closer to what the Warriors run now.
interesting, thanks for the response!
Triangle offense... Illuminati confirmed
thibs would be a good choice, ive always liked him, I like Lionel hollins as well, no idea if he would be good but I just like him
I'm not sure about Hollins these days...
seems like he had some tough breaks but im no expert, I just like him cos I remember him doing things like knocking the ball away from opposing players