The KNICKS Downfall: Don't Blame The TRIANGLE
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- Опубликовано: 19 окт 2024
- Coach Nick dives into the footage to analyze the quality of shots the Knicks got in the halfcourt when running the Triangle Offense. Find out if Carmelo Anthony and Derrick Rose fully embraced it or was it doomed from the start.
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+Auston David Johnson 👍👍👍🏀🏀🏀
BBALLBREAKDOWN Do a breakdown on why drose never gets foul calls
BBALLBREAKDOWN coach all these dislikes because of your mid video ads.
Why don't you do a breakdown showing the how the knicks defense collapsed from swapping Robin Lopez for an absolute non factor in the paint in Joakim Noah. Have a look at how the whole team has to over help unlike the year before. Or was Jose Calderon keeping us decent on defense the season before?
+Certified Finest lol, the ratio is 1000 to 73
"I learned that in probably 15 minutes when I was in Chicago. It's not that difficult. It's a triangle." - Dennis Rodman, 2014
Yinheero Yeah cause they had Phil teaching him if the old man would of brought a damn wheelchair & coached then maybe the results would of been different. If you needed advice on how to do something in life are you gunna ask your friend or you gunna ask the oldest person in the room who already went thru everything you went thru & is gunna explain to you the shortcuts so its easier for you.
So simple, yet so profound
Erik Lerström The point guard makes a pass, then goes to a corner. Any 5-year old child can do that, Derrick Rose responded to a reporter by calling the Triangle Offense, " just some random offense to me."
The highest form of ignorance !!!
1.) Pass across the Top of Key= cut to ballside corner
2.) Pass to the wing= cut to ballside corner
3.) D.Rose did graduate from high school right ???
DeAndre Page 3) didnt he cheat on his sats or something?
Daniel Vargas yes he did fr
The Knicks look like the 2K AI trying to execute a play.
😂 the accuracy
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I still remember Kobe's comment on the Knicks running the triangle: "Triangle, looks more like a square." lol
Melo Off Ball offense and Rose urgency is so bad bro... They tend to just walk around, and look disinterested whole season.
GodZingis Team triangle didn't work because they didn't put in the effort to make it work
Yea Rose and Melo are both way too used to having and offense playing primarily through them, they poorly recognize opportunity for hockey passes and really only know how to score. Unfortunately they're both are past their prime and can't be THAT guy anymore.
papelgiftware1 Melo can still be that that guy if Paul George is
GodZingis Team They both kill the Offensive Flow (intentionally), so you end up having to pass it back to them.
Hennything is possible what? Explain. Paul George is 5 years younger.
I'm seeing why Phil was so mad at Melo, it seems like every time the triangle failed it was bcos Melo couldn't follow the directions of the play
Kahlil Baker this video changed my perspective on Phil in New York. Melo don't have the smarts to run triangle.
Kahlil Baker it is hard to belive that professional players can not execute a so simple offencive play
Kahlil Baker they barely ran it and it was rose if anything
What's funny is that Rodman of all player's call out the Knicks players for not knowing how to run the triangle offense.
Rodman had insane ball IQ.
“With both Melo & Rose out, we get some real pure triangle offense. And it’s run almost to perfection ...”
Hilarious
Looks like the triangle had no buy in. Players look like they hate basketball in some of these clips. Paid millions and they piss around like that. The young guys want it but mostly have limited skill. The old guys have the talent but they want to play hero ball. Bad combo.
+Johnny Blade good point and even still they were getting good looks!!
BBALLBREAKDOWN Doesn't that contradict the points in this video. If the never had the right players to use the triangle why not just try something different. Either way you can still blame Phil for this.
Yep he brought in all these players. He traded for Rose sacrificing Robin Lopez a solid starter on a team friendly contract. He then brings in a broken down Noah who can't shoot in a spread the floor league. No matter what Jackson was out of touch. The only good thing he did was not trade away draft picks
Nets 4life Delete Carmelo Anthony and Derrick Rose, then the 2nd Unit actually ran a decent Triangle Offense.
it's cause melo couldn't play with a hoodie
We need to let Melo bring his hoodie to MSG
Who df wants to play in a hoodie for 82 games...Melo gunna lose so much weight wearing that shit that's his gunna look like Kp when he first got drafted 0---'‚--‹
*without
Sebastian Martinez but he's gonna bring 82 wins
dutty rodriguez what's this joke about a hoodie
It's a beautiful offense and also my favorite that led to many nba championships with MJ and Pippen then Shaq and Kobe. I think in the Knicks case is the players who were not buying into it especially Rose and Melo that lead to disaster rather than success. I remember Phil said that other teams who try run it but failed it's because that the organization including the coaches and players were not trusting the system they want to implement. At the end of the day it won't really work if the players won't trust it.
The problem is that Phil Jackson most likely had very little interaction with the teams offense, because he's not the coach. The problem is JEFF HORNACEK is forced to run the triangle and probably doesn't understand how to run it properly.
Ben Twilleager Total B.S, Hornacek lost to Michael Jordan plenty of times. You had to know the Triangle Offense principles to play defense against it.
Ben Twilleager This was not Carmelo Anthony's 1st season in Triangle Offense, it was his 2nd year.
Is Melo mentally challenged ???
Tru. It's evident in the players standing around. They look clueless.
@@simpleysims Triangle offense is for high IQ players, period. It's not a complicated system, but making the proper reads, decisions and movements takes high IQ players, and an extremely high IQ #1 option, so it is no mistake that only Kobe and Michael were able to have team success running it, but also all of the players on both those teams were high IQ, and I mean all, from top to bottom.
U really think Jeff doesn’t understand the triangle?
As in the Bermuda Triangle, where all the talents disappear.
These players esp Rose and Melo are straight trash
Certified Finest Yet they both averaged good numbers last year
Random Wyvern Yet look at the Knicks record when they did average "good numbers". Or take a look at their dismal adv stats when putting up some "good numbers".
Nathan V Melo's numbers are not that far from his career avg. You can't blame the Knicks record on Melo, back when he had good teammates, he was always in the playoffs.
There is a time and place for 33 year old Melo in the NBA, it's replacing J.R. Smith as a catch and shoot player. Let me repeat, catch and
"immediately" shoot player.
The only way to prove that the triangle works is showing how golden state uses it. You have to show that it's coaching and the execution by the team that makes it effective.
If you give a sports car to someone who doesn't even know to drive a manual, then it won't work and they'll blame the car. Put it in the hands of a pro and results would differ.
I'd love to see how golden state incorporated the triangle and where it didn't. Kerr was pretty adamant that he mixed a bunch of different philosophies and it wasn't "full triangle". Why is that?
Michael Pang my guess is it's to make the offense less predictable. It's like in poker, sometimes you bluff or make an unusual move to keep the opponents guessing
Michael Pang what's your thoughts on this?
+Certified Finest the whole point of pure triangle is that it isn't predicable
+Michael Pang I did a breakdown on their offense right after Kerr took over. I'll do another soon
The Knicks struggle with the triangle because of its endless options. And it seems that they have trouble picking their options. *Cough cough Draft picks
Don't worry coach I totally understand the triangle and believe in it. I believe in basketball you don't need the best players to run the triangle but the triangle is so flexible it can maximize the talent that your team does have. But if you do have a team loaded with talent it can just be that much more potent when ran right.
+jordan IV thanks! And the key is that the triangle isn't for the stars, it's for the role players. The stars will get their points regardless. But to win in the playoffs, you need the other guys to contribute
Agree. The beauty of the triangle is that it allow great flexiblity. It maximize strength and reduce the flaws of the offensive team running it.
Knicks downfall? The Knicks haven't been relevant since the 90's
Golden states warriors bandwagon Destroyer they were decent from 2011-2014
falconsfan1020 yeah no. 2011 got swept in the first round, 2012 lost in 5 in the first round, 2013 got upset by the Pacers after claiming "the Knicks were back" for like the 100th time since Ewing and 2014 they missed the playoffs entirely with basically the same core as the year before.
darkinferno1219 i don't think you understand what decent means
To be fair, they were pretty relevant in 2012-2013.
falconsfan1020 you clearly don't know know the definition of decent.
several teams still use elements of the triangle! It hasn't been disbarred completely...
Rolando Robles THIS
+Rolando Robles BINGO
Rolando Robles yeah they use elements of it. Doesn't mean it's heir main philosophy. I don't see your point
He said that in the video lol
The problem is you need the right coach you need to be scare of him to the point that you respect him. That's where Phil truly failed if you ain't Gunna run it then u need a coach who's gonna be on your ass where you do everything right so you don't have to hear him talk
The Triangle is a very old and classic system, that's why everyone's trying to kill it. These days everyone hates tradition or timeless systems. It's the best offensive system to me because it's very sustainable and simple, it's very iso-heavy which I prefer but it's also a system of spacing and positioning. People should watch Jordan's finals highlights and see how dominating he was in the high post and midrange with no ball screens whatsoever. The triangle slows the game down and it won't tire players out by constantly running, screening and taking a huge amount of shots, it's a half court centered offensive system that is still pretty exciting. Melo is offensively gifted but he just will not buy into the triangle so why would any of the other players?
The triangle gave Phil 11 rings. So yeah, it's not the triangle.. it's Melo.
How many rings did they win without the triangle.
Answer = 1
Kobe, Jordan, and Shaq gave Phil 11 rings
Man Mello ready shot his career in the foot with his unwillingness to learn from coaches and apply himself to their strategies.
Yea bro I don’t feel bad that he was outta the league until he changed to fit his role. I used to hate hearing comparisons to bron cause it’s a different level of iq completely. Offense defense and in the film room. Just always felt he was overrated
I love the triangle offense, it's literally a triangle on one side and a two man game on the other , you can get so creative with it , all you need are willing passers , just pass the ball and get in to the motion right away .. although I never did realize you can get more out of it by spacing yourself correctly .. but even then like you said coach it STILL generated good looks
+Nicolas Vega BINGO! 👍🏀💪
I wonder what would've happened if PJax let Hornacek run the offense he ran in Phoenix.
The team would have won
Melo would be in the backcourt cause he like to play slow and stop the movement..... Rose wasn't even trying to cut in the triangle with so many open spots open.
Can you do 1) on how to beat Texas Tech's defense 2) on how to run the Texas Tech's defense 3)on how to defend the triangle offense on it's variable entries 4) I know you already did two videos on how to run the triangle offense with it's variable entries 5) but can do at least one video on how to run the Triangle offense to generate three pointers consistently. I am pretty sure that the Golden State Warriors do it some times but they use a lot of offensive schemes. Spacing is not always as much importance to them as is player and ball movement.
All of the sarcastic shots taken at Phil Jackson backfired. It hurt the image of the Triangle Offense more than Phil.
Great job bro !!!
With the work coach nick put in, this channel deserves way more view
+chun hau Ngai 💪🏀👍
Melo has been cancer as he rooted out Lin & D'Antoni as he don't care about winning. All he wants is to be his own team's boss. It's not the same Rose under Thibs when he had everyone playing hard & playing good D & committed & engaged. It is still PJ's fault as he did sign the no trade clause and did not bring the right coaching staff in that can jell the team & get the buy in.
Geoffrey Mak Lin rooted out himself for sucking so bad after 2 special weeks
Geoffrey Mak How was Melo a cancer to the Knicks when he's been nothing but loyal to the team. Phil Jackson was the cancer
Maybe we should not blame the triangle but when you have players as talentet as Melo and Porzingis, you should build your system to their style of play. Like or dislike Melo but he is one of tne best offensive players in recent history.
D. Rose and Carmelo apologists won't like this
You can not run the triangle with guys who have egos that prevent them from truly learning and trusting the system. The reason the triangle worked in Chicago and LA was because Phil convinced Jordan, Shaq and Kobe to trust him and his system without question.
Utah Jazz uses Spurs Motion Strong to transform into Triangle Offense.
1.) PG pass to Top of Key/ Trailer
2.) Instead of setting a down-screen for the corner shooter (Double-Staggered) the guard runs baseline to the OPPOSITE corner.
3.) Top of Key player passes to the wing & sets a single down-screen instead of the traditional double-staggered screen & regular Pinch Post alignment is established.
The average fan doesn't even realize that the Utah Jazz uses parts of the Triangle Offense too.
Hey coach, seeing this video made me realize there are alot of players I don't know when you highlight them. Could you highlight them in post editing to help us learn bench player names
The issue is not that the triangle is flawed, rather it is the fact that it was rammed down the coach's throat. Hornaceck couldn't make his players believe in something he himself didn't believe in. This upcoming season will serve proof to how much Hornaceck believes in the Triangle.
10:30 This sequence says everything......Rose was/is a big enough star in his mind to show it completely...."Here you go Melo"
can u analyze how competitive the cavs could be vs the warriors compared to how they were before the kyrie trade
Hornacek ran a 1-4 High UCLA cut offense with Dragic & Isaiah Thomas in Phoenix.
I would have been happy with that.
this knick team just wasn't smart enough for the triangle
Thanks coach, I gotta go back & watch the Denver & Indiana games.
I love the Triangle Offense just as much as you & used it while coaching High School feeder teams.
Step-Up or Button-Hook screens are the new trend. That can be used like as 2-Man Game similar to early offense Pinch Post.
You could still have a weakside 3-Man Game going on with a Down-screen. Coach Hornacek was intentionally fighting the Triangle Offense also. He face it many times as a player & Coach Jerry Sloane was very good at breaking down offenses.
How many Knicks games did u watch 2 make this 😂
+Pancake Protector 4 every possession of those 5 games. It was rough
BBALLBREAKDOWN I can imagine haha thanks for doing that this was a good video 🙂🙂
BBALLBREAKDOWN Melo and rose are trash
I couldn't agree more with this video : Most of the NBA columnists argue that the Triangle no longer works in the NBA. Well, as Coach Nick said, most of the NBA teams are using parts of it in their offenses. And of course, the Knicks barelly used it last year and when they did, it was such a mess. This statement could be true even with a simple Horns set...
we got robbed of KP in a proper functional triangle offense
Mother of God, its the players tsk tsk
vino mamba the players Phil chose and Phil put the system there
OG Jawdinz yes, but you can see it in the plays, they dont pay attention to small details, compare it to the great laker team back then, you can see the difference, not that the knicks could have won championships but they could have been better, just my opinion.
Coach Thibodeau used Triangle Offense in Chicago, so D.Rose played in it before his New York Knick days. D. Rose just refused to do 2 simple things:
1.) Pass the ball
2.) Go to a corner
Huge work by coach Nick. That was interesting! I thought Knicks used triangle at least 20-30% of time.. But that's how it is...
This is what I've been telling Melo apologists and Bronsexuals bashing Phil Jackson. Thanks coach Nick.
+strikedizzle 👍🏀💪
Coach it might have been nice for some of us plebs to explain exactly what the triangle offense even is.
Coach I think you put out great content. The issue though why it's not getting as big as it should is the ads. We not only have youtube ads that play, we then get an intro to watch another product for a good 30 seconds or so. Then we have the seatgeek ad which is another 30. So basicly we're watching 3x the ads we're custom to. I think this turns ALOT of ppl off, especially when the ads are in the middle of the video. I'm sure thats part of the deal but sometimes not taking money can be the better thing. I think this channel would gather more than 500k subs if you'd done this all along. Ads are fine, but not when they're interrupting a video. 99% of youtubers know this and the expectations have been set.
+Plague Doc well, 95% of the comments love the ads when they're seamlessly integrated into the video. It was when I put them in the front of the video that made people so upset. Check when we started doing this in March. HUGE surge
I definitely disagree with this. I don't know too many people who stop watching channels altogether because of ads. Ads are just a part of youtube. It's not that serious.
Coach Nick does a lot of analysis that requires watching hundreds of plays and games just to prove or point out something so I don't really mind as he deserves every single cent he gets from those ads. This channel is not as easy as just hydraulic pressing every thing you can think of.
Plague Doc+ I don't mind the relatively small youtubers with good content trying to sustain themselves with in video product placements.
I agree Bad and Wrong I love the product, I'm talking about the average youtuber viewer. The reason the internet has taken over TV is the ads. Ads on TV are stupidly long and frequent. Most people want ot watch the product from start to finish without ads interrupting thats why I think ads in the start and at the end are the best.
Watching this now just makes you realize Melo’s really not a system player and keeps looking for that post up and the problem was really the players they had.
Great video, just highlights the poison Carmelo Anthony is to team basketball. Maybe in Houston or Cleveland he will be forced to buy in because of superior players but if he believes he is the best player your team is doomed. He and Rose basically torpedoed the speed of the offense and its spacing. In the end though its on Phil, he resigned Melo and he inexplicably traded for Rose.
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Triangle was a part of the problem bc you can't introduce an offensive system without teaching it properly. That being said rose and Melo being ball hogs were the biggest issues
Jason Young What make you think they didn't teach it properly what if the players just didn't listen? How can bench players run it successfully but the stars can't?
Or it could just be the coaching staff sucked and was forced to do it by Phil who explained things horribly. half the time when Melo toed the paint on the wing it was a designed play for him to BE there.
Coach Nick, how do you access the game film that you analyze ?
Coach Nick, the triangle was definitely not the only thing fans didn't like about Phil Jackson.
Almost everyone who coach Nick named were capable enough to run that offense. It was Rose, Melo, and also Brandon Jennings and Courtney Lee who looked loss.
Don’t forget the legendary line Kobe said on the triangle
Frank Ntilikina is part of Phil Jackson's legacy, because the Foreign players were drafted during Phil era in New York.
Notice how most of the successful plays JENNINGS and not Rose initiated the offense ... and our problem was clearly Defense not the triangle
+Skilliams I'm not even sure I liked Jennings in the offense either. Two of the worst choices to run it in Rose and Jennings
The triangle won 11 rings.. how many rings does melo have? These players half assed running the triangle as their main offensive set, and they blame the system instead of their low IQ and work ethic.. damnit..
Hey Coach Nick, the Knicks still using the triangle this season so far right? I see a lot of folks on reddit still dissing it like it's some ancient offensive system from the 70s.
Best channel ever
+george wright thanks!!
small correction: player @2:30 is kelly olynyk and not jerebko
Watching your videos is the antithesis of watching First Take; can't help but come out of a viewing a little more well educated on the sport after every vid. Your commentary couldn't be more diametrically opposed to the soundbites they can't elucidate on: Skip not knowing why teams run zone or Stephan A getting every NBA championship pick wrong in the last decade; flying in the face of dumb luck. Thanks for doing what you're doing Coach!
+DubbleD awesome, thanks! Check the pod, I think you'll like it too! 👍🏀
Def will! Will you be offering the same Knicks premium service game break downs you did last season?
The funniest part is that Phil Jackson is gone & Melo still wants out of New York. It probably has something to do with the media saying Porzingis should be the focal point of the offense & Melo should take a step back. New York Knicks fans fell for it & started booing Melo.
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So were Melo and Rose just too stupid to run the triangle? Or was it Hornacek's fault for not coaching them right?
I'm afraid, I really want a couple of those shirts.
While the Triangle system itself is not to blame, I think the Knick's efforts to incorporate it made them worse than they could/should have been. Nobody seemed to be competent or confident in the Triangle. With doubts like that, it's hard to play well. Being uncomfortable and confused out it in the court can ruin anyone's game. And honestly, I'm convinced that Hornacek is just not a good coach. And this past season was even worse for him since Hornacek was tasked to teach the Knicks the Triangle which is something not even he completely understood.
A system cannot work when your two best players do not execute it properly or seem to have no interest in executing it properly.
Damn, I was only joking about D. Rose's intelligence.
I forgot all about him getting caught for cheating on his SAT exam.
I started watching NBA seriously in the 08-09 season and following the Lakers. Average guys like Vujacic even *ahem* Mbenga can look really good under the Triangle offense. If only Melo and Rose incorporate the Triangle, they'd be like a 50+ win team.
The main problem I think is that Phil Jackson wasnt a president
He was a coach who cannot be coach anymore
So he wanted to do everything but he was never here to actually do it
This is Hard to watch. Triangle offense is a beautiful offensive system that if done right will present tremendous amount of wide open/high percentage shot opportunities. The knicks are not even trying to make it work, theyre abandoning it every chance they get, and then people blame the triangle offense for their struggles? Damn. It is the coaches problem for not knowing much about the triangle itself and how to implement it.
Knicks aren't getting any better if they don't know how to use the "Triangle Offense"
I strongly feel those who say "it only generates post ups and mid range shots, not enough 3s and lay ups" are severely missing the point.
You can get open 3s and lay ups easily when the offence is executed properly. if cutters don't cut like they actually want the ball, screens run into screens and set them properly, players take up correct starting positions and players passed the ball properly then it would generate all of those things.
A post up can turn into a lay up easily, or a double and open 3..but it has to start and finish with the correct fundamentals.
Problem is today's players who everyone loves because they shoot 3s and handle the ball..cant grasp simple techniques.
Many players can jab step, side step into a 3..can cross you over left to right or right to left, drive the lane and go reverse up and under...but funny enough can't even set an effective screen or reverse pivot into a hand off.
fantastic video coach nick! Thank you for proving again and again that Melo is the problem in NY and has been ever since he joined. i hate how delusional knicks fans are in defending carmelo, he's useless in an any nba offense because he's become so lazy and will only attempt to iso, which has been proven to be one of the most inefficient shots. you have proven that moving the ball will result in a layup, dunk, or open side shot. the triangle is still a viable option if players actually buy in and want to run it, but one year after melo came to ny, he gave up trying and should not be a HOF player.
Melo looks like he's playing in practice. The intensity and urgency is absent from his game in every possession- pathetic. ex. the play at 5:20. It's clear that melo only understands iso ball, which is evident by him now attempting to let the play develop at 5:44, but like you said, he slips the screen, which is the wrong play, so that he can immediately get the ball.
At 6:24 melo positioning wrong screws up the beauty of the triangle offense. clearly, he doesn't understand the importance of spacing and positioning, which is why he's never seen and never will see the nba finals. this poor effort by melo rubs off on his teammates, which is why the knicks are by far the worst team in the league. He doesn't set any good screens, late on every action he's involved in during this play, doesn't work to even get himself in decent position for the shot. how can anybody succeed like this?
8:57 prime example of why melo is garbage. doesn't believe in an offense. how can anybody play alongside a guy that is reluctant to receive the ball in the low post, which was cleared out for him!! selfish players don't take that great positioning and go up to the 3 point line to take the ball from his teammates hand. melo doesn't even do anything special with the ball in his hands, except for setting his teammates up for difficult shots. awful in so many ways.
How do you coach an stupid, ignorant, selfish player that won't listen and follow the plays you run? melo should've gotten benched early on so that melo learns that he can't just do what he wants and forget the play, just to get an iso. look at what coach pop does to players that don't run the plays that he calls. that's how you win titles.
3:52 they would call that carry every time at the park lol
Dribble Entry, forcing the wing player down to the corner was simple enough for a 5-year old.
If Top of Key pass is denied, weakside wing/ Low Post flashes near ballside Elbow....very simple !!!
Signing D. Rose was a terrible decision, he knows the Triangle Offense because they used parts of it in Chicago, he just refused to run it.
Carmelo Anthony knew what spots he was supposed to be in, he just refused to execute the offense.
This was basically a mutiny.
I am most disappointed in the head coach, Hornacek.
He played for the Utah Jazz with Stockton & Karl Malone.
Jerry Sloan is a very intelligent coach, they had scouting reports even during those days on the Triangle Offense.
He knows more of the Triangle Offense than he put on, because he lost so many times to Scottie Pippen & Michael Jordan.
I'M GONNA RUN TRIANGLE LIKE MJ & KOBE & PHIL DID
so it was like you told him start low then cut the pinch post, he will just start at the pinch post. Melo got to the result, ignored all the process. Little does he know that it is the "process" creates the "spacing" needed in triangle.
the problem is nobody in this age of the NBA knows how to run the triangle so why do something you don't know what to do, that's why we are happy that we don't need to run the triangle
Too bad Melo was just not making the right reads considering the fact that the triangle is a read and react type of offense. Thibs made Pau an All-Star again and it certainly made Noah and Butler an All-star even though they did not run pure triangle all the time but principle of the triangle was still there. Melo doing ISO all the time was the reason why it failed so bad as he did not make the right reads which kind of frustrate his teammates as well and was not able to get use to playing the triangle. Triangle offers tons of opportunity and I think Melo didn't realize that the movement of his teammates will depend on how he initiate the offense. He was such a ball stopper which resulted to lack of player movement. I think he did get the memo that players move when the ball moves.
in contrast, how often (# of posessions) did Phil's Bulls/Lakers teams run the triangle?
Why wasn't this video available before the All-Star Break???
Fans are starting look at Carmelo Anthony in a different way after watching this video.
New York reporters created a NARRATIVE, because of their dislike for Phil Jackson during his Chicago Bulls days. He totally humiliated reporters after Chicago Bulls games. This was their payback. I hope Carmelo Anthony doesn't get traded to Houston.
New York fans need to be able to enjoy Melo for an ENTIRE year after Phil Jackson.
I called Derrick Rose's injury career before it happened, during his MVP season. And called a disaster when he joined the Knicks. And the same when he recently just joined the Cavs. Carmelo has always been Carmelo but when you add a Derrick Rose who doesn't get basketball very much beyond his physical gifted abilities..... Coach Nick, you better start making that video about how D-Rose is again not the answer to another roster, this year being with the Cavs. The triangle could've worked with the skill set of the Knicks roster but the lack of basketball IQ and the lack of understanding and commitment for the details in this offense (and any high level offense) by some core players just won't work out. To ask that of Carmelo and D-Rose both when on the same team....... that seems like a coaching disaster. I'm a basketball coach myself and that pair sounds like a disaster and that pair would make me look bad and cost me my job. What a situation for Coach Hornacek..... I can't even imagine a season of practices, film sessions, anything basketball team related with that pair. Geezus.
IT'S CARMELO HE IS A FUCKING HANDFUL AND HIS GAME IS AIIGHT
Twice you showed the highest scoring games were when they barely ran the triangle. How is that an endorsement for the system?
Hey coach, another great breakdown here. Unfortunately it doesn't tell the whole story. I'd like to see a similar breakdown of the NYK offense when they were 14-10 vs towards the end of the year. The problem with the Knicks in the Phil era was never the triangle. I've always thought Phil's talk of triangle more of philosophy about how the game should be played. And I agreed with that. But when you are the president you should let the coach be a coach. Phil simply could not do this. If the Knicks didn't have all that choas behind the scenes and consistently mixing up offensive sets they would have looked much better. The players looked confused on sets simply because like all other plans Phil had, they were poorly executed. Phil should have let the coaches run what they want. In fact I thought Fisher was doing ok until Phil had to step in again. If Phil wanted to coach then he should have coached. His plan for building a team was null and he wasted 3 years. Yes he got KP and Willy but the franchise was more of a mess because of him. That's why Knicks fans were happy when he was let go. Not just because of the triangle but because he made a mockery of the franchise. His cryptic messages to talking about players. It was a mess and the results showed on the court.
I don’t see why Knicks fan hate Phil Jackson. He brought them their last ring 💍
watching the bulls and lakers, i understand the TO more and more. watching the knicks, i just get confused
I want to see an unbias Coach Nick talk about the Triangle
Damn. It hurt me to hear Coach Nick say Derrick Rose's name so many times in this video. Lol. Based on this video alone, it looks like Derrick Rose was the largest reason for the failure of the triangle offense next to Carmelo.
Melo never learned it. It was obvious he never understood it. Should’ve just been honest and said he only practices iso instead of acting like he was doing his homework
I'm not blaming the triangle really but it seems like the players of the knicks where so uninterested running it. Same time, you have to acknowledge the caliber of players that actually ran triangle offence when it had its glory days.
Nah triangle offense is not dead, the reason is some nba players can't follow it correctly. This is the plag when you want a ball movement game
Coach, that means triangle does not work with certain players, Melo and Rose has a lot of success in other offensive systems. It is the coach's duty to find a system that fits the players in NBA level, not the opposite.
+Chan Gary this isn't what it means. And Rose had a pretty nice year last year anyway. At this point, Melo isn't doing what he needs to do to help the team win
BBALLBREAKDOWN did he ever I mean look at his career
After watching this video I realize why Phil was so mad at Melo.. and now I don't hate Phil as much And this is comin from a Knicks fan
+_ramonb2000 👊🏀👍
Melo is a good offensive player with nothing to show for, but he is a great guy off the court.
So the video is pretty much saying that they didn't buy in lol
The triangle is only for smart players. For those who can’t adapt, you know what that means
lols look how great tim cone's brgy ginebra now. 6 game winning streak.. since the return of 7 footer greg slaughter they run a pure triangle offense and it works they look unbeatable..