FreeCAD 0.20 For Beginners | 5.2 | Tracing from Photos Project | Finishing Our Model
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- Опубликовано: 24 июн 2022
- Welcome to the total beginners course to FreeCAD 0.20. This is the second part of a two part lesson where will complete our mini project. By the end you will have learnt:
How to trace reference photos on multiple planes create a 3D part.
How to create repeating features using patterns and mirrors.
Use symmetry tool to ease construction in both FreeCAD sketcher and Part Design workbench.
This project work will help teach the fundamentals of freeCAD understanding the basics but delivering via teaching you different workflows.
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Using FreeCAD 0.21.2, I had to right click the sketch and select "Attachment editor" to get it to attach to the face from the selection. It's a bit different to what you show, but the principle is the same.
Thank youuuuuuu
Thanks! Was keyboardmashing to try and find answers.
you are dearly appreciated, good game.
Thank you, this was extremely helpful!
Thank you
I am having so much fun following along with these tutorials! Please never stop making this kinds of content!
Great to hear your enjoying 😊 plenty to come.
@@MangoJellySolutionsI don't really know what it is..... But i've tried cad tutorials before and always got bored of them before they were even over... This..... This is fantastic. It's engaging and very well explained. If you aren't a teacher by trade.... perhaps you should consider it :)
That is really cool, thanks again!
There is a lot of info in all these videos, which is a good thing. I have gone back to 1 and skip reading portions of each video in the series up to this one. lol
I will get there eventually
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Glad you like them!
Thanks, you’re wonderful. Keep uploading these amazing tutorials.
Thank you so much for your support. Loads more to come.... I think there is an endless supply!
Just a heads up for anyone else following this tutorial. I came across a small bug when trying to move the previous tutorials sketch to the appropriate face. When you click on the face, the 'sub window' (16:34 in the video) that you are meant to click OK on, disappears. It is sent behind the main FreeCad window so you need to bring it back to the front (or reactivate it). Hope this is helpful.
I am using MacOS 10.15.7 and FreeCad 0.19-24291
Awesome tutorials by the way, very well laid out.
Thanks for making people aware of this, it seems like the mac version has a few flaws in that the Linux / win versions don't. Great that you found the time to explain this, appreciate that. Glad you like the videos and thanks for the feedback
This comment helped me a lot. Wasted so much time trying to figure out what was wrong with my sketch. :D
Oh I just read this, that would explain a lot, mac here as well. Thanks
Well yes and no, I been looking for it and I can't find it tried to move it manually that was hard and got wrong(plane).
Win user here and I am able to click ok, but the sketch will not move to the selected face. I am unsure why it wont move.
Great tutorial! I was able to follow it perfectly in 0.21.0, with the exception of the image workbench. I'm looking forward to the rest of the series.
Great to hear you enjoyed. I have made a video regarding the change in the way you import and scale reference images in 0.21 which will help you out. ruclips.net/video/WhxDAgskcHA/видео.html
Thank you man. Your videos are the best. I am practicing these with you while I should be asleep.
So glad you are enjoying 😊😊😊
I made this socket in FreeCAD thanks to You. This is so amazing! CAD isn't so dark and scary as I thought.
Great to hear you made it. This is one of the more challenging ones which I should of added a bit later. Great to hear you completed it.
There is a lot of information packed in to this tutorial. Tracing is a powerful feature and watching just once for a beginner is not enough, Thankfully we can go back and pickup an important step that was previously missed. How to manipulate a plane is a mind game, this is well explained and can be revisited. I have 4 images to trace in my model, the planes, measurements, and scale are critical. Learnt so much in this tutorial, thank you.
Thank you for the feedback, so glad this video has been well received. Its been a long time in the making. I first started the video in 0.18 but decided I would do a single plane first as I wasn't happy with my delivery. I then attempted it again but a computer crash resulted in the loss of the video files, finally I have got this to video and though I wish it was a bit shorter I think I covered most things. Glad you like and thank you for the constructive comments.
Love😍😍😍thank you
I could not make the Attachment>Support>... method on the Data tab work as per the tutorial.
For me the easiest thing was to right-click on the Sketch item in the Combo View, choose Attachment Editor, then with the first input labelled "Selecting..." just click on the correct face to attach it (or if the first button was labelled "Plane" then click that button first).
Man, big thank you! I had this same bug and redone work twice , thinking that I`ve done something wrong.
Just spent 30 minutes trying to get this to work in 0.21 and your comment finally saved me. I was almost ready to give up on this tutorial series because so much has changed from 0.20 to 0.21 that many of the instructions are useless.
Thank you so much, I never would have thought of clicking on the face and all the other method I found online gave me the same error.
good man
Spending 30 mins to figure out how to do it on Ondsel before seeing your comments, such a life-saving!
Thank you very much for this *phenomenal* video !.
I was totally astonished from the beginning to the end of this magnificent vid, watching the amazing *Mastery* with which you handle Freecad. Watching you in action seems so easy to do, but when we try to mimic you we realize that IS NOT. NOT AT ALL that easy !. LOL.
Thank you again for taking a huge amount of your valuable time for doing this to all of us around the world. We *do really appreciate what you are doing* and hope you continue doing so for many, many years.
From here I take the right to proclaim you as the true and only one *Superb Master of Freecad* Congratulations !, very well deserved.
This John from Santiago de Chile, South America. Cheers to you !.
Thank you for such kind words and praise. There is so much more that I want to share with the community I just wished I had more time to do this. The festive break has helped me catch up on a number of ideas that have made themselves to videos really to be released and it's made me realise how much I could bring to the community if I was doing this full time. Hopefully that dream will happen one day and then the channel will go get a turbocharged but until then I will still be making videos as the list is never ending and is one of my loves. Thanking you and everyone for the support given and I wish you luck and fortune for the new year. Glad these videos have bought you joy.
Indistinguishable from magic. I will have to watch that a few more times.
Good job. As I see you work through your solution, it exemplifies the tools you use in a way that you couldn't explain in only words.
Thank you very much 😊 I always worry I run the risk of maybe over explaining certain actions but I guess it's best to add more information rather than dull it down. Thank you for the kind comments
Great Vid. For all following along, Keep "Grid Snap" off/unchecked to avoid sketching issues. It worked for me. Also @10:58 when you changed the image and view to "Rear", my "line" (the sketch just finished on the first part of the video) was off in the image on the Y axis, so I used "Transform" to align it to the image. (as explained in 11:20 I found out later..)
Struggled with this one but finally got through it
thanks so mach
Thank you
great video, thanks for sharing :) 👍
Thank you too
Thanks!
Thank you so much 😊👍👍👍
Thankyou
Thank you for these fabulous tutorials! It's awesome how much I've learned from them and how much fun it is to follow along. One thing that would have made this particular video even better is if you could have slowed down a little bit when explaining the image alignment. I had to watch several times to catch what parts are being aligned
Glad your enjoying the series and thank you for the feedback, I always appreciate that and take on board to make the learning experience a better one. Thank you once again for the kind words.
Greta videos , the whole series is awesome. I just did it but got the sketch in the wrong plane, still manage to get to the face, but I think if I move the sketch in the correct plane I can padded correctly. Still fun and is learning a new language.
Great that you progressing. I have to say this tutorial is a tricky one and I added it a bit to early on so getting through it you probably will encounter a few mishaps but if you complete, you have done pretty well. 👍👍👍👍👍
Good tutorials so far, but I've run into an issue where the sketch is refusing to move to the Pad001 Face9. I do everything how it is on screen but the sketch doesn't move and has an exclamation point on it.
Clear the atachment like the video hit ok>> select the face of the object >>then find the map sketch to face tool (blue cupe with a sketch on the side) on the top left of the toolbar that fixed it for me
Thanks for the continuing this tutorial.
How can I show exact dimensions on "TechDraw" for inclined lines and/or angles? I am drawing a hexagonal planter and used top and bottom cross-sections to create loft. Now I am having hard time showing the exact dimensions on techdraw for individual planks of wood that I need to cut. Would appreciate a detailed tutorial on these scenarios on TechDraw workbench. Thanks.
Your videos are great and very helpful, thank you!
There are, however, some basic learning blocks I keep messing up. Its often as simple as attaching a sketch to a certain face and extruding correctly. It might be more helpful to introduce these concepts building simple models: a hollow cube with 10 mm walls (sticking different faces, maybe mirror parts of it?) or a more challenging hollow pyramid?
I suggest to use long-focus camera. Images will be more "ortographic".
Or use point cloud (mesh) from Colmap-like soft
Great tip 👍👍👍👍
I feel like I'm catching on really fast. I have never modeled using constraints before but it all immediately makes so much sense. you've done a fantastic job with these tutorials, and I'm enjoying following along so far.
although this one I hit a snag, maybe because I'm using the ondsel es fork of freecad, or that it's just based on a newer version of freecad in general, but the old sketch, attached to the face of that other pad, would not pad itself, and would return as causing more than one body... I even tried redoing the sketch starting the sketch on that face like normal, but then a similar issue occurred... I'm not sure what's up with it. but I understand all the principles, and am unable to recreate the issue with anything else for some reason. we'll see how it goes, I guess
Very interesting series. So far I managed to follow the workflow. But in this part (5.2) I feel you've put the "pedal to the metal". It is very fast compared to the previous ones. I'll watch it a few more times. Maybe it will get through my thick skull.
Yeah, without the ability to stop, rewind a few seconds and watch again this would be way too fast. I still get messed up and it sure would be nice to have a teacher nearby to help me figure out what the hell went wrong. But overall these tutorials are some of the best I have found on any subject.
Sorry for that, I now realise it's a pretty complex tutorial for being so early in the series, thinking about the tutorial I should of picked a more simple object. Perhaps one that I was able to use just two side reference images. I may think about doing another one with a better subject. Thank you for the feedback always good to get and I will take it in board 👍👍👍
Suggestion: Flip the BasePlane image the right way round with a picture editor before you Import it, improves the workflow. Just saying
I am on a Windows 10 machine with 20.2 FC installed. At 16:42 I am not getting my sketch to move to the Pad001.Face9. I don't even see a Face designation when I click the appropriate pad. The sketch is remaining 'stuck' to the original XY plane. I restarted the entire lesson in case I did something wrong along the way and it happened the second time as well. BTW I appreciate your tutorials very much. You are a superb instructor. Thank you.
I was having the same issue, and was able to find a solution:
1. Go into Map Mode for the Sketch.
2. Select Face9 for Reference1. The sketch will then move to Face9 as it should.
Please tell me if that doesn't work for you.
Hi! I'm doing the same lesson right now, and I think I have found out how to fix this! In the window shown at 16:34, just hit the Clear and OK. (do not select anything) Then, still on the Data tab, right below the Support property, there is *Map Mode* property. A new Task opens. Click on the Plane button and now select the right face on the model. The text area will change to Pad0001:Face9. Now you should see the sketch move properly, and you whould see the Face9 in the window at 16:34 as well.
Hope this works for you too!
A number of helpful viewers have commented on the resolution which is great and I how it's helped you resolve your issue. Glad your enjoying. And thank you 😊
@@ScreamingMini; @Akwky Akass thank you for taking the time to respond to my question. I will give this a whirl! OK, update, the tip from Akwky Akass worked and I was able to finish this build! To be fair I did not try the other tip from ScreamingMini2009, but only because the first one I tried worked and I didn't want to go through the video for a 4th time. I am very happy and super thankful for all the great help!
@@ScreamingMini This is the answer! Thank you so much!
Hi
Can you please explain the reason for rescaling at 31:25? The completed model seems to have a broader flat plate than the actual one shown in the picture.
My guess is that the side and top photos were taken at different distances. Am I correct?
Did you change the reference photos? When I full-screen your video and I zoom in to a photo so that features appear about the same size as on the video, the picture that I downloaded is noticeably fuzzier with more visible compression artifacts. As well when I loaded the side.jpg, it appeared to have about the same dimensions as the top.jpg, whereas there is a noticeable size difference in the video at 3:40.
When I run the completed object through a slicer program like Creality, it states that the object is "not manifold". I'm relatively new to 3D printing and was wondering how to correct that error.
Thanks ahead of time for any help !
I got stuck in the phase where the first sketch need to be transforms to pad001.Face9 but there is not such face on the pad. please advice/
I'm having trouble with the ruler tool in that it's hard to get the measurement to be exactly horizontal or vertical. Is there some way to restrict the line between the measurement points to be horizontal or vertical? This is a common feature in most vector illustration programs like Affinity Designer or Adobe Illustrator (for those with lots of cash to burn!).
The measure tool isn't too good, it hasn't been updated in a while. I don't believe there is any snapping to horizontal or vertical unfortunately.
@13:50 in which plane is sketch selected for padding here at this point?
I'm using FreeCAD 0.21.1
Your tutorials are excellent but with the changes from 0.20 to 0.21 I am unable to follow because I cannot attach the sketch to the face and create a polar pattern. I've been trying for a few days now, experimenting with different options, lots or reading online and troubleshooting.
Do you have a solution for the updated version? Can you post an update please. Thank you.
16:40 I think I'm stuck. Been trying to move the sketch to the face for 10 minutes now. All I can do is clear that field, but after selecting the face and clicking on "OK" in that dialog, nothing changes - field "Support" stays empty and sketch stays where it was. V 0.20.2 on win10
same
same
Excellent tutorials, thank you very much. Thing is I have FreeCAD 0.21.0 and don’t have the Image workbench. Trying to figure out how to do some of the exercises. Found out how to change the scale but not sure is correct.
Glad you enjoyed. So in version 0.21 and above the image workbench has been removed and there is a new way to import and scale reference images. I created a video to cover this at ruclips.net/video/WhxDAgskcHA/видео.html
@@MangoJellySolutions indeed! thank you very much, I saw the video. Following you from Bolivia 🇧🇴
At timespan 16:30 on clicking the side face it should show the name of the face as in the video face 9 but it didn't work for me and sketch is still in XY plane and after clicking OK button the support coloumn becomes empty. I have followed each and every step and clicks as refered in video and tried 4 time to create the whole project but the problem stil persists.
Please Help.
It worked but 1st the face has to be selected before the sketch and then map sketch
@@ayushmishra962 Hello, could you explain more on this? I cannot get the sketch to move to 'face 9'. Thanks !
Hmm, I cannot get the Pad001 "Face 9" to appear. Any help on this would be greatly appreciated !
So far your tutorials have been smooth sailing, but Lesson 5.2 is making me crazy trying to get the scaling on the Base View right.
I've set the scale using the ruler within the image at 140 mm (141.2 mm as measured by the ruler) well within expectations as it's difficult to know exactly where to click while scaling. The diameter of the large hole measures 6.67 mm, far too large, while the smaller hole measured 4.11 mm, again within expectations.
I've started over more than once (or twice!). Can you explain what's going on?
Never mind! Operator (parallax) issue. Lesson: sketching an image won't be as accurate as one might think - actual and accurate measurements of the object itself are necessary.
This lesson I should of really left further on in the series. Its a hard one to do and getting this far you did pretty well. Sketching from reference images can be hard to get the scaling right especially with multiple images. It can get you in the "ball park". But for building models it's always best to have the true dimensions.
When I try to add a sketch to the base plane it says can't map the sketch to selected object. Broken link to support sub elements. So I have got something wrong, but I don't know what.
Do I understand this right? At about 16 minutes you add the sketch of the object you made in part 1. You work in the part workbench. So could you add the 2 objects and blend it with a boolean operation? In part design workbench you have to work with 1 object and have to use the sketch and pad this? In part workbench you can do this 2 ways? (or even more).
Thanks so much again you do an amazing job.
The part workbench is extremely flexible as the boolean operation is left up to you. With part design the workbench automatically adds the boolean between the previous operation and the new operation. This is why you can't have multiple bodies. Though the part design workbench is quicker because of this automatic boolean it makes it less flexible where as the part workbench is slower to work through as you have to perform the boolean yourself. This means you can as you say create two or more operations and blend them together with a single boolean and it opens up many different ways to create the same object. Glad your enjoying the videos 😊👍
So strange to have a solidworks tutorial commercial at the beginning of a freecad tutorial.
I am glad I'm not the only one seeing that. I keep seeing it on blender tutorials as well.
16:41 , my sketch doesn’t move, support stays blank after deleting xy plane
I had to Deactivate the Map Mode in the Data Tab of the sketch before I could reposition the sketch. Was I doing something wrong?
Don't worry, a normal question that one. Sounds like you had it attached / mapped to something. If you see attachment appear before placement in your data tab then it is attached so you would edit the XYZ of the attachment which can get confusing as it's now in local 3d space rather than global. If placement appears first in the list then it's not attached so you edit the XYZ of placement. If attached placement becomes read only. If you want to learn about local and global coordinate systems then I have a video that covers that and should help :)
In 20.1, every time i reopen a image it moves it back to the XY plane, which is maddening. What can I do to make sure it stays put when i just want to adjust some position?
16.44 I can not get sketch to move from XY to the pad? After clearing support then selecting the pad and OK the sketch does not move. I now have a yellow box around sketch.
Same issue here, have you solved it?
I cant seem to move the very first Sketch to the Pad001 , i keep getting a attachment failure. All my sketches are fully constrained but theres a red explanation mark over the first sketch in the Combo View as i hover over the sketch it reads “ provided shapes are incompatible (not only edges/wires), internal name sketch
Apparently the rest of the progress made “ depends”on this sketch so it wont allow me to move it as you showed in the video around 17:05
Same here. I can not move sketch to another plane. Got stuck
At about 13:41 when I add the sketch it asks for the plane to attach it to. I don't see this dialog come up in the video. After that I am also unable to pad my sketch after creating it. I was able to do this about a year ago, but maybe updating to .20.2 makes things work just a little bit differently. I'm currently stuck, trying to get the sketch to pad.
I kept trying. Suddenly it just worked. I did not get the dialog asking what plane to attach it to, and everything flowed after that. Must be something about the view when I click to add the sketch. Randomly I did something right. I guess in time I will learn enough to understand what I was doing wrong.
I couldn't select the face of the Pad(ded item) shown at 13:41 until I adjusted the transparency of the body, but why is this?
That's really strange, I have never seen that behaviour before. I'm going to have an experiment to see if I can recreate it.
@@MangoJellySolutions i am struggling with the same problem, windows 10 and FreeCad 020.1
When I do the second sketch before attaching the polar pattern, I find the object which I just sketched and created using pad in the XY axis and the XZ axis in which the second sketch appears are separated. So I cannot use pad as it creates multiple solids. Then I tried to draw the rectangle in the XY axis and found that I cannot attach the rectangle at the bottom points of the object. The software only lets me put construction geometry at the top points of the object, not at the bottom points. Can you please help?
I think I found my mistake. I opened a new sketch without clicking the plane I needed to sketch on. I opened a sketch on the XZ axis. Thank you for your tutorials
As you rotate your model, one side is black. I don't see that - none of my sides are black. Does that make a difference? If so, how do I fix it?
No it's all OK it doesn't make a difference.
Hey, Mango. I've been stuck at 14:36 for about two nights now and I can't seem to make it happen. I try to select the points, but the program defaults to selecting the lines and not the points. It's driving me nuts. Any ideas on how to help?
I think I know exactly what is happening. It sounds like you are on the reverse side of the sketch where points are harder to get to add the lines are in the way, you need to add a bit of an angle to your view point, where you can get around to the other side. In the newer versions of freecad this has been resolved and you can get to the sketch points from both sides. Also in the properties of the sketch there is a reverse option (or its called something different). Which food the sketch over. Normally it's made by a mistake you made in mapping the sketch, I have done it a few times before especially when I started out but I have never taken note of why it happens. Next time I must make sure I take note.
@@MangoJellySolutions Thanks. That helped. But there's another issue that's annoying me. I was about to Pad the vertical part of the shape; 15:38, but somehow, it seems my sketch has left the active body. How would I fix that? (I've been moving on with the series and constantly revisited this project. It is the only one so far to give me issues).
Well I messed up. I have to start over again
Silly question I'm sure, but at 6:24 when I create the second sketch (SKETCH001) the "axis" are HIDDEN behind the image. Can someone explain how to correct this and bring the axis on top of the image? Thank you !
You image is above the image plane you have raised it up on the Z axis. Lower the image plane on the Z axis and that should solve your issue.
@@MangoJellySolutions Thank you for the reply !
When I try to move the position of the sketch to the Pad001 I got the error: "Recompute failed!" So I'll save and skip the exercise maybe come back another time. This exercise is quite challenging. Maybe I'll find out through other exercises what I did wrong.
I should of put this exercise further along in the series. Your not the only one who has had problems. Well worth coming back to when you have some knowledge under your belt. If you hover over the icon in the treeview it should tell you more about the error.
You probably did nothing wrong and the problem is with the tool itself. FreeCAD is in active development, so there are plenty of functionality that can be changed or moved from version to version. For anyone who encountered "recompute failed" error during 16:17 section I'd advise to try the following: click on the Sketch we want to place on the Pad -> in the Attachment section click three dots on the Support field, Clear the links as the author did in the video, click OK -> go to the MapMode field in the Attachment section, click on three dots next to FlatFace value and a new window will pop up -> you will see "Selecting..." button active, meaning we can choose the Pad surface. Do not click on "Selecting..." button, just choose the Pad surface. Tested on Fedora 39, FreeCAD 0.21.2.
I get stuck. I can not import the second image, the import-button in 0.21 is grey. Any sugestions?
I had to go back to the save from last vid, then delete the imported picture and then I could import both photos, and had to re-scale and fix them all up. Hope this help someone.
16:41 My sketch won't move. Can someone help?
Bro, I'm stuck at 14:36. My points won't let me touch them :')
hey, does anyone have the same problem in miunite 16:31 like me? i've been trying to move the plane support by changing the support directly and using mapMode. both did not work. i've been trying build everything from beginning for several time in case i've missed anything. yet its still error
i still new to freecad, so i didn't knew much about the software, or even any other cad software. so i confuse a lot.
for information, i'm using windows 11 and freecad version 0.20.2
if anyone could help, thankyou very much
Same issue, have you solved it?
@@Will-td8ro yes, i'll find it first here
@@Will-td8ro In the window shown at 16:34, just hit the Clear and OK. (do not select anything) Then, still on the Data tab, right below the Support property, there is Map Mode property. A new Task opens. Click on the Plane button and now select the right face on the model. The text area will change to Pad0001:Face9. Now you should see the sketch move properly, and you whould see the Face9 in the window at 16:34 as well.
Hope this works for you too!
by @AkwkyAkass
@@ChaoticangelCreation Thanks
you're welcome@@Will-td8ro
Im stuck. I cant pad my sketch. For some reason when i click pad sketch its not showing on tye screen
Check to make sure everything is closed. You may have a constraint that is not connected and there is a slight gap in you sketch.
I really like your tutorials. Great videos. But I might skip freecad. Every time I tried to follow you I run in some sort of bug or the app just crashes before I realize that I didn't save it.
I don't have a pleasant experience with FreeCad 0.20.2.
That's a shame to hear. It's worth trying out 0.21 as this is much more stable.
@@MangoJellySolutionsThanks for the advice.
I did some testing between my two computer. 1. Nvdia based laptop. 2 AMD based desktop.
My desktop supposed to be a high end pc but for some reason Freecad doesn't like it at all. Even doing simple task like measuring or box selection causing it to crush.
It runs okay on my 7 year old laptop though.
getting some funky error at your 18 minute mark in the video so i guess i'll try this one another time "DirectWrite: CreateFontFaceFromHDC() failed (Indicates an error in an input file such as a font file.) for QFontDef(Family="8514oem", pointsize=10, pixelsize=20, styleHint=5, weight=75, stretch=100, hintingPreference=0) LOGFONT("8514oem", lfWidth=0, lfHeight=-20) dpi=120"
Playing around with fillets, I found I couldn't apply a fillet to the frontmost outside edge of the socket (the bit we created by mirroring/padding). I had no problems filleting the outside edge where it connected to the front plate. I was also able to fillet the frontmost inside edge.
Looking online I found a suggestion that worked for someone else - setting Refine to true. When I set refine to true on the socket's pad, the model breaks with "Recompute failed! Please check report view." Additionally, The Rear Support that connects the Bottom and Front Plates reported conflicting constraints.
I get the same result in 0.20.1 as well as the latest weekly build of 0.21 (which I prefer as 0.20.1 doesn't respect my constraint color settings).
This isn't important WRT following your great tutorial videos, but I wonder if you've run into a similar problem or can suggest another approach.
In case anyone is interested, here's a link to my project: www.dropbox.com/s/0svq6hy7rv2jg8r/Lesson%205-2.FCStd?dl=0
Thank you so much for sharing this knowledge and the link. The content got help for review as it contained a link so I had to release it if you wondered where your comment disappeared to. Thank you so much. This is great and really helps others 😁😁👍👍