00:00 Intro 00:45 Demonstration of why shape binders are needed 03:21 Creating a shape binder 05:22 Demonstrating changes to original shape 05:47 Sketching & padding posts inside box 07:57 Creating a new body with shape binder for posts 09:11 Shape Binder: Demonstration of moving original object (shape binders don't move) 10:15 Sub-Shape Binder: Demonstration of moving original object 11:32 Sub-Shape Binder "detached" mode demonstration 12:36 Setting up interconnected sketches for Additive Pipe 16:20 Combining multiple sketches on different planes with one sub-shape binder to create an Additive Pipe 18:45 Using subshape binder across files 20:24 Shape Binder & Subshape Binder options 22:22 Conclusion (don't miss this part!) 23:21 Outro From the FreeCAD Wiki "PartDesign SubShapeBinder vs. PartDesign ShapeBinder": Editing a ShapeBinder is easier. Double-clicking the object in the Tree view will open a task panel. A PartDesign ShapeBinder can either reference a single whole object, or subelements belonging to a single parent object. A PartDesign SubShapeBinder does not have these restrictions [and can reference subelements belonging to multiple parents as shown at 16:20]. Only SubShapeBinders can reference geometry from an external file. A SubShapeBinder always tracks the relative placement of the referenced geometry. For a PartDesign ShapeBinder this behavior is optional through its DataTrace Support property. Only PartDesign SubShapeBinders support 2D offsetting. It seems to me that SubShapeBinder is a much more powerful tool unless you specifically need your Binder to sync its *shape* with its parent but *not* its location.
In that case it should have just been called a "ShapeBinder" or "GeometryBinder" and then checkboxes to specify behavior, such as track or not track parent location. FreeCAD not only need coders who can add lots of code, but also coders who can delete lots of code via refactoring, end-of-rant. And don't get me started with Part and PartDesign workbenches.
Excellent! As I'm migrating from Fusion360 back to FreeCAD I experience the limitation to reference things outside a body, this video clearly clarifies how to solve it.
Finding myself jumping around from video to video depending upon the current project that I am working on. Always good and helpful content. Thank you for your dedication to these tutorial videos.
OK, this was kind of like riding a rollercoaster without having a seat belt, hanging on for dear life. Have to ride this one a few more times to grasp everything going on.
Don't worry in other videos you will see I mainly use the subshape binder and they come with examples. I very very rarely use the blue shape binder, if at all.
Really appreciate the feedback, and thank you so much for donating. I really appreciate that. There is a patreon question video which is for hinge of a truck. I use the shape binder as a guide for a subtractive sweep using the offset settings of the shape binder connected to a edge. There is also a video in this series that use the offset of the box to create a tight fitting lid. I know this video explains the shape binder but thought I mention those as examples of other usages.
I wonder if I can use this or some other features to add for example copy of same sketch with some transforms shared for multiple surfaces. For example I want enclosure for electronics with base and lid having some snap-on grooves and ridges and I want port holes trhough both enclosure and lid. I'm not sure if it's more efficient to create two bodies or i can design both in-place, but I want to share port holes for both. If lid is lying next to the base upside down, this means turning sketch upside down. But for now, I think it's easiest to draw 5 ports on three sides separately. Thinking about it, overlap of locking mechanism means holes can't be very same due to rounded corners.
You can create two bodies and use the shape binder to share geometry between then. Very basic example is on tutorial FreeCAD 0.20 For Beginners | 24 | Lid & Box / Enclosure | Threaded Holes Cross File Sub Shape Binder ruclips.net/video/KzLWKKBtnxU/видео.html and also you may like ruclips.net/video/spr4IecnxAk/видео.html for the future. Maybe these will give you some help.
Thank you for your very well done instructional video. Currently I am trying to find a way to make a sub assembly made of 3 parts and use this sub assembly inside an assembly workbench in multiple locations. Is it the sub shape binder the way to do it? Thank you. Luke
I am planning on making a video on sub assemblies but to get you started, you can use a pre-existing assembly within your currently assembly by importing it in. No need to create a sub shape binder. Glad you enjoyed the video.
G'Day Darren, just kicking off this Video. Just wondering if you could suggest a good video series for new Linux users like Me. I'm realizing to get full potential out of FreeCAD I need to have a better understanding of Linux it's various distros as well as Software Distros and install methods (given Video export issue last Tutorial). Seems like there are a multitude of different ways to do stuff depending on your Linux OS install. Also suggestions for Best way to keep your FreeCAD install current and stable. Interesting start to the Tut, I was wondering what the Orientation Tree Hidden in the Body was for (As opposed to the Overall Tree in Main Screen) I take it to keep track when working in multiple Planes? Also subtle diffs in the 2 Binders depending on the Object manipulation required. Don't know if I'm slow or something but you really need to pay close attention to Darren's selections, missing what seems a small point can cause significant issues in a CAD design. I again suggest slowing the Tut right Down a bit like " Watch Twice, Execute Once" for Modern Times. Being an Older Guy my concentration probably isn't what it once was. I also come from a 2D Drawing background, so I get lost in 3D sometimes. Managed to Import Cross file using Sub Binder. The Third Part I figure out the Cylinder was created in part then executed in P Design. Also starting to see the value of some of the other orientation Planes as aids to design. Overall very useful I can see how the Binders allow you to work between various objects of varying types. The Tree is essentially a Directory Structure Representing the structure of the Objects being manipulated.
I know that each type has its advantages and disadvantages, but if you were to say which shape binder is generally recommended (for most applications) then which one would it be ? I guess that subshapebinder due to its versatility and range of options, right ?
Yes exactly that one, the blue shape binder I have to say that I can't remember when the last time I used it, probably this tutorial! The green sub object shape binder does everything I need in my modeling and more.
I have followed the video and tried to link an arch to vertex in FC1.0 rc. Unfortunately, the arch changes orientation so that it runs in the same plane as the rounded box. In FC0.21 arch moves as it should. I don't know if settings have changed in FC1.0 or if it's a bug. In addition, I would very much like to know the reason for the changes in axis. Is it just to free/move them off the coordinate axes so they can be selected/activated?
I had FreeCad 0.19 and could not find the "Offset" option for sub shape binder. I found out that FreeCad 0.21 has that option. I have been looking for it for days.
At the bottom right of the screen you will see a small mouse icon. This allows you to change your navigation options. If you click it you will be able to select one of the options. If you place the mouse pointer over it and wait a second the mouse and keyboard navigation shortcuts pop up. Depending on what you choose will mean you hold down a different key to allow for movement. So in my settings if I hold how alt and move the mouse I can move the 3D view around.
I found a bug in subshapebinder. It does not work if you try to use it between sketches in two different bodies in the same part. It is a drawback for someone who uses part to organize the model.
At 9.20 you move the referenced body to demo the shape binder, then at 10.58 you move the other body to demo the binder. Is it only me, who cannot compare the two?
Uh, sometimes I don't like that program. I've spend like 30 minutes watching tutorials, I wanted to use rotational part as a reference for part that's around it, then I realized I cannot import external geometry without hiding rotational part to see only the sketch or cross-section. There are another funny quirks, such as removing vertices from sketch (and edges from model) that have applied chamfer, then it's almost impossible to remove constrains and so on.
Maybe I'm just dumb... because I really start loathe Freecad, pls help. Can't get it working. So here is what I'm trying to do: I have a simple face plate that's supposed to clip into a machine panel. So I modeled the clip part as template body similar to your post that I now want to place strategically over the face plate body. Those are supposed to sit 2mm from the face plate edge, aligned to it. I'm unable to do that, this should be a super simpel task. Normally I would model with Solvespace, but it broke since I installed nvidias bs driver that I need for hw vid decoding 🙄 (10y old potato) Please help... I need to be productive again.
00:00 Intro
00:45 Demonstration of why shape binders are needed
03:21 Creating a shape binder
05:22 Demonstrating changes to original shape
05:47 Sketching & padding posts inside box
07:57 Creating a new body with shape binder for posts
09:11 Shape Binder: Demonstration of moving original object (shape binders don't move)
10:15 Sub-Shape Binder: Demonstration of moving original object
11:32 Sub-Shape Binder "detached" mode demonstration
12:36 Setting up interconnected sketches for Additive Pipe
16:20 Combining multiple sketches on different planes with one sub-shape binder to create an Additive Pipe
18:45 Using subshape binder across files
20:24 Shape Binder & Subshape Binder options
22:22 Conclusion (don't miss this part!)
23:21 Outro
From the FreeCAD Wiki "PartDesign SubShapeBinder vs. PartDesign ShapeBinder":
Editing a ShapeBinder is easier. Double-clicking the object in the Tree view will open a task panel.
A PartDesign ShapeBinder can either reference a single whole object, or subelements belonging to a single parent object. A PartDesign SubShapeBinder does not have these restrictions [and can reference subelements belonging to multiple parents as shown at 16:20].
Only SubShapeBinders can reference geometry from an external file.
A SubShapeBinder always tracks the relative placement of the referenced geometry. For a PartDesign ShapeBinder this behavior is optional through its DataTrace Support property.
Only PartDesign SubShapeBinders support 2D offsetting.
It seems to me that SubShapeBinder is a much more powerful tool unless you specifically need your Binder to sync its *shape* with its parent but *not* its location.
Thank you for this, really enriching the content. As usual pinned to top comment and very much appreciated 👍👍👍
P
In that case it should have just been called a "ShapeBinder" or "GeometryBinder" and then checkboxes to specify behavior, such as track or not track parent location. FreeCAD not only need coders who can add lots of code, but also coders who can delete lots of code via refactoring, end-of-rant. And don't get me started with Part and PartDesign workbenches.
Excellent! As I'm migrating from Fusion360 back to FreeCAD I experience the limitation to reference things outside a body, this video clearly clarifies how to solve it.
So glad to hear it's helped you to make that transition :)
My go to for FreeCad learning, there are many, but Mango has the best explanation and easier to understand. Thank you.
Thank you so much :) :) :) :) :)
Finding myself jumping around from video to video depending upon the current project that I am working on. Always good and helpful content. Thank you for your dedication to these tutorial videos.
Thank for the feedback, great to see all these videos are still helpful. Thank you so much for your feedback :) :) :)
Watching this is like browsing a hardware store. Just trying to memorize what's there for future projects.
Thank you so much for your donation, glad your enjoying :)
Thank you for this. I understand shape binders now. It's a powerful feature.
Great to hear 😊 the offset on the green subshape binder comes in real handy. I use it all the time.
OK, this was kind of like riding a rollercoaster without having a seat belt, hanging on for dear life. Have to ride this one a few more times to grasp everything going on.
Don't worry in other videos you will see I mainly use the subshape binder and they come with examples. I very very rarely use the blue shape binder, if at all.
Awesome explanation of the shapebinder. I never really understood it but now it all came together
Really appreciate the feedback, and thank you so much for donating. I really appreciate that. There is a patreon question video which is for hinge of a truck. I use the shape binder as a guide for a subtractive sweep using the offset settings of the shape binder connected to a edge. There is also a video in this series that use the offset of the box to create a tight fitting lid. I know this video explains the shape binder but thought I mention those as examples of other usages.
Once again you came through with a great explanation!!! Thanks again Mango!
Thank you, great to hear :)
So helpful! I found the answer to how to create a 3d sketch here... who would've thought! Thank you!
Excellent video, very fluently you explained the power of freecad. Thank you very much for this video.
Thank you, glad you enjoyed and thanks for the feedback
Freecad idiosyncracies - which are legion - lucidly illuminated. Thank you.
Thanks for the tutorial. Good explanation.
Thank you very much, now I could understand the different between binders 👍
Great to hear!
Thumbs up ! Thanks a lot ! Very useful to create pipes and other complex objects.
Been waiting for this one. 😄 Great info. Thanks 👍👍
Glad you enjoyed 👍👍😊😊
Excellent series .. Thank You ..!!!
You are welcome!
Thank you! Brilliant explanation and demo. 🎉
Glad you enjoyed and thank you.
I wonder if I can use this or some other features to add for example copy of same sketch with some transforms shared for multiple surfaces. For example I want enclosure for electronics with base and lid having some snap-on grooves and ridges and I want port holes trhough both enclosure and lid. I'm not sure if it's more efficient to create two bodies or i can design both in-place, but I want to share port holes for both. If lid is lying next to the base upside down, this means turning sketch upside down. But for now, I think it's easiest to draw 5 ports on three sides separately. Thinking about it, overlap of locking mechanism means holes can't be very same due to rounded corners.
You can create two bodies and use the shape binder to share geometry between then. Very basic example is on tutorial FreeCAD 0.20 For Beginners | 24 | Lid & Box / Enclosure | Threaded Holes Cross File Sub Shape Binder ruclips.net/video/KzLWKKBtnxU/видео.html and also you may like ruclips.net/video/spr4IecnxAk/видео.html for the future. Maybe these will give you some help.
Thank you for your very well done instructional video.
Currently I am trying to find a way to make a sub assembly made of 3 parts and use this sub assembly inside an assembly workbench in multiple locations.
Is it the sub shape binder the way to do it?
Thank you.
Luke
I am planning on making a video on sub assemblies but to get you started, you can use a pre-existing assembly within your currently assembly by importing it in. No need to create a sub shape binder. Glad you enjoyed the video.
G'Day Darren, just kicking off this Video. Just wondering if you could suggest a good video series for new Linux users like Me. I'm realizing to get full potential out of FreeCAD I need to have a better understanding of Linux it's various distros as well as Software Distros and install methods (given Video export issue last Tutorial). Seems like there are a multitude of different ways to do stuff depending on your Linux OS install. Also suggestions for Best way to keep your FreeCAD install current and stable.
Interesting start to the Tut, I was wondering what the Orientation Tree Hidden in the Body was for (As opposed to the Overall Tree in Main Screen) I take it to keep track when working in multiple Planes? Also subtle diffs in the 2 Binders depending on the Object manipulation required. Don't know if I'm slow or something but you really need to pay close attention to Darren's selections, missing what seems a small point can cause significant issues in a CAD design. I again suggest slowing the Tut right Down a bit like " Watch Twice, Execute Once" for Modern Times. Being an Older Guy my concentration probably isn't what it once was. I also come from a 2D Drawing background, so I get lost in 3D sometimes. Managed to Import Cross file using Sub Binder.
The Third Part I figure out the Cylinder was created in part then executed in P Design. Also starting to see the value of some of the other orientation Planes as aids to design. Overall very useful I can see how the Binders allow you to work between various objects of varying types. The Tree is essentially a Directory Structure Representing the structure of the Objects being manipulated.
I know that each type has its advantages and disadvantages, but if you were to say which shape binder is generally recommended (for most applications) then which one would it be ? I guess that subshapebinder due to its versatility and range of options, right ?
Yes exactly that one, the blue shape binder I have to say that I can't remember when the last time I used it, probably this tutorial! The green sub object shape binder does everything I need in my modeling and more.
I have followed the video and tried to link an arch to vertex in FC1.0 rc. Unfortunately, the arch changes orientation so that it runs in the same plane as the rounded box.
In FC0.21 arch moves as it should.
I don't know if settings have changed in FC1.0 or if it's a bug.
In addition, I would very much like to know the reason for the changes in axis. Is it just to free/move them off the coordinate axes so they can be selected/activated?
I had FreeCad 0.19 and could not find the "Offset" option for sub shape binder. I found out that FreeCad 0.21 has that option. I have been looking for it for days.
Thank you. Lear a lot 🙂
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you!
Thanks!
How are you able to move in 3d space with your mouse in Sketcher?
At the bottom right of the screen you will see a small mouse icon. This allows you to change your navigation options. If you click it you will be able to select one of the options. If you place the mouse pointer over it and wait a second the mouse and keyboard navigation shortcuts pop up. Depending on what you choose will mean you hold down a different key to allow for movement. So in my settings if I hold how alt and move the mouse I can move the 3D view around.
@@MangoJellySolutions Thanks! love Your Videos!
I gather thats what you are doing Vitually when you import Geometry form another Sketch or Object@@MangoJellySolutions
Another gem... Across files... WoW.. Thank you
I found a bug in subshapebinder. It does not work if you try to use it between sketches in two different bodies in the same part. It is a drawback for someone who uses part to organize the model.
At 9.20 you move the referenced body to demo the shape binder, then at 10.58 you move the other body to demo the binder. Is it only me, who cannot compare the two?
Uh, sometimes I don't like that program. I've spend like 30 minutes watching tutorials, I wanted to use rotational part as a reference for part that's around it, then I realized I cannot import external geometry without hiding rotational part to see only the sketch or cross-section. There are another funny quirks, such as removing vertices from sketch (and edges from model) that have applied chamfer, then it's almost impossible to remove constrains and so on.
👍👍👍👍
Maybe I'm just dumb... because I really start loathe Freecad, pls help.
Can't get it working. So here is what I'm trying to do:
I have a simple face plate that's supposed to clip into a machine panel.
So I modeled the clip part as template body similar to your post that I now want to place strategically over the face plate body. Those are supposed to sit 2mm from the face plate edge, aligned to it. I'm unable to do that, this should be a super simpel task.
Normally I would model with Solvespace, but it broke since I installed nvidias bs driver that I need for hw vid decoding 🙄 (10y old potato)
Please help... I need to be productive again.
python version please