well, there's a lot of projects that the manager can't do anything about it, like sponsors and stuff. so both of them don't have other choices. as korone said, they're just working.
except that it wasnt the wrong person lol, the manager should have respected her break, this is a black company after all, lack of empathy and dehumanized treatment by the employees is expected.
@@MrKroxan Hololive is unproven to be a black company, if it is then drop the receipts. This is how false rumors spread, through people like you assuming it's already true.
I never found any that holo is black company. Its exactly the opposite that the talents mostly forced themself. Hell tough job for manager that pursued them to rest. Harder in ID branch where their talent seems hard to the core, such as Moona wanted to stream even she got sick or Ollie who want to keep going even she didnt sleep at all. If talking about black company, I did found one which is comes from hololive rival, though it is only when the company still young. Salute for their first gen that become pillar for what they are now.
@@MrKroxan Lui worked in a black company beforehand and said how nice it was to work with Hololive after everything she went through there, how much better Hololive is.
Possibly the biggest difference between EN and JP breaks is that EN plan ahead way ahead of time on their breaks, while JP usually take sudden breaks because of health, so I can imagine a lot of projects cut into their break because of lack of planning.
Probably not even possible planning far ahead too with JP side, seeing JP side releasing songs, preparing for 3d/concert/lives, partnering with big company, then behind the scene stuffs like dance lesson, singing lesson, voice acting lesson (optional) and even English lesson (optional).
It also doesnt help that the JP are known to be usually against breaks when it comes to work because it makes it seem like they are seen as "Lazy" so they usually try to never take breaks
@@VIRGILE124 it's also probably why so many of them are suffering from throat or other medical issues recently. Overworking is a real thing. Most of them only sleep 4 hours according to themselves from a year ago.
On one hand, given how peppy and cheerful Koro-san usually is, I imagine she's actually pretty scary when she gets mad (well, hologra does make that canon, so...). On the other hand, all I can kinda imagine is her barking angrily at her manager XD;;;
you don't want to piss people with high tolerance, because when they pissed all hell will break lose... okayu, mio, roboco, azki, etc will be quite nasty when they really angry...
It’s very much the thing of guys like Goku or Superman; they’re normally so happy that when they get genuinely pissed off it’s terrifying even to the people they’re not mad at.
"Sometimes you just miss one day and so many messages pile up" That's called bad management. If they don't have your back during breaks, then that is just simply bad management, nothing more to say.
Marine took a one month+ break from streaming, which really hurt her income. Yet she couldn't really rest and 2 months later she is already back to the point where she needs another break. The frequencies at which the talents need medical care is increasing rapidly.
@@Herr.P well she said she's doing strong against her depression which I felt glad and worried at the same time, hopefully she's seriously taking care of herself
Marine choose to use the high pitch cute voice which stresses her throat, and like most holomems her itinerary is pretty packed full. Rest is.. Difficult to say the least.
I've been on both side of things, not the talent-manager stuff but just the plain 'ol soul-draining salaryman stuff..I experienced being part of the 'grunts' and hated how managers just kept on pushing their people to do more work..when I had the chance to be the manager I always felt bad pushing the people under me to meet the company demands but I can't stop due to the pressure from the people above me, the stress made me quit my job a year later and traumatized me on work that comes with managing people.. I guess what I'm trying to say is that both sides have it real tough, Korone's Mane-chan probably also wanted to let Korone rest since her break is tied to her medical condition but they're also being pressured by the people they have to work with, especially when it comes to schedules, on projects that involve Korone..I hope they both get a break from all the pressure
Yeah, but you kind of can tell when a manager is just getting pressure from the higher ups and when is just that they want results to BE one of the higher ups too, not saying this is happening in hololive, just talking from my own experience, they are some legit assholes out there who don't have an ounce of remorse asking people to stay late or giving them twice the work.
Lol im one of those "corporate slaves" but i understand how hard the manager side of things is, i dont have to become one to understans the ammount of pressure they get from their higher ups. Sometimes good people turn into douches when they become managers because their job requires them to be douches..its sad
i've had some stressful jobs. or maybe i just dont handle stress well. i gave up trying to make a lot of money and just work a simple, less stress, 9 to 5 job and spend my energy on hobbies and my passion. i make less money now but i am a lot happier.
Imo dogeza is the ultimate submissive gesture. I feel it’s too demeaning to use in common parlance, but seeing it being used even uncommonly is still outrageous. Speaks volumes of the type of person who would readily throw themselves to the ground in forgiveness. Sometimes, in my opinion, it’s better to stick by your decisions, good or bad, and seek no forgiveness for others’ perceived slight against them. TL;DR: grow a pair.
@@devranyilmaz9806 "for other's perceived slight?" what about if the slight is real and recognized by the person that committed it and it is a part of their culture?
@@drumanaut If you don’t personally feel any guilt, don’t let others shame or convince you that you should. These people don’t want you to say sorry, they want you to submit to them.
@@devranyilmaz9806 Bruh, that's not growing a pair, that's being a selfish jerkass. You're advocating & rationalizing some pretty gross behavior. The idea that people want you to submit to them is straight-up tinfoil-hat BS & speaks volumes about how you view others; sounds like selfishness born as a coping mechanism for a victim complex.
Oh boy, that's practically the norm where I'm from. I think the only countries this doesn't apply to are western countries. Asian and middle eastern countries suffer from the same thing from what I'm hearing from some of my overseas friends and from my own experience working as well. It's even worse with the work from home setup since your boss can just call you to make you work asap if need be and overtime pay is dependent on luck if you get into a good company that actually cares to record your OT hours.
@@miragespl In the west here they generally deter management from authorizing overtime because it increases hourly wage by 50% higher and their budget simply doesn't plan for the additional expense. They "can" call me up and ask me to come into work. Which they even have a stronger (personal?) objection. I'm not sure why but it's exceedingly rare for me to personally get called in. But at my job management is expected to shuffle employees around as much as possible to prioritize specific tasks as there are a lot of people doing supportive work. All time is tracked through automated systems and clocking in and out.
A shame she feels like she even has to apologize. Establishing firm boundaries is legit necessary for your health with the work culture they have over there.
I can kinda relate to this, use to have my manager at work always call me when it was my day off. And too many times during my days off I’d be asked if I could come in to take over for somebody else who called in sick. Like the extra cash sounds nice if I come in but bruh my body ain’t feelin it.
Jesus christ this is so depressing to hear, also saying it was immature when it's only natural that you need rest at some point. Japan being the country it is with a literal word for death of overwork "karoshi" can sometimes be really frightening. Have 2 japanese friends who's dad ultimately died of overwork, they said they didn't even really know him because he could'nt really spent time at home.
It does suck when you're supposed to be on a break and you still have to think about work. I would be like tell me everything you need from me for the next weeks because I will not be available for anything.
I'm glad I work in a job where I can just turn off my phone when I take a day off without anyone getting upset. Well, my boss might get upset, but I won't get fired for it. Well, I didn't get fired for it *yet*
How badly your area/department needs you? For example, if you an experienced IT/Software developer person with YEARS of work in the area.... Odds are mininal they will fire you for turning the phone off when past work hours and everything is within schedule (unless shit hit the fan BADLY) and they don't need any extra work (or just don't wish to give you reasons to give the 2 week notice if they PISSED you off a little too much)
Getting rest and work free time is super important. Employers who keep pestering people on their time off with work related stuff really need to stop. That's how you burn out your staff. I guess in their case some communication can't be helped, but they really need to try their best - because so many Hololive members have either broken down already and have health issues or show signs of burn out.
I don't have it anywhere close to what they deal with but shoot just being the assistant manager gets annoying. It's your day off, workers calling you for stupid shit they should well know how to do especially after being there for more than a year is annoying in itself. the benefits would definitely have to out way the negative for me to stick with it. which is why i'm currently hoping my app i just put in thursday works out. "way more than you make now" is what i was told. we will see
I don't think Korone should feel too bad. Of course the manager has things she needs to do, but Korone was on a break for a reason. She really needed the rest for the sake of her health, and it sounds like her manager was preventing that from happening, albeit unintentionally. If there was ever a time where I could forgive someone for snapping, I think that's it. Especially if that's the first time she's ever done it. And sometimes you end up _needing_ to yell or freak out, if trying to make your needs understood in normal ways isn't working. That's just the way the ball bounces sometimes.
Korone was on break but this is still a job with a lot that goes on behind the scenes. Deals are made, appointments set, contracts are organized, all stuff that can’t really be put off easily.
@@Assasin2 sure but when it's korone we talking about who always goes long hours in stream and she finally taking a break i think it's a given that manager know to not disturb her rest no matter how important the job is. it makes me feeling a bit angry at the management of holo.
@@momogi618 oh yeah her manager knows damn well, hell her manager probably knows korone better than any of us. but as already mentioned above, it's not her manager that makes the decision. there's a lot of people involved. in the end, korone is working for a company, if she needs to rest because of her endurance stream, then that means she shouldn't do endurance stream. if she wants to do anything she wants, then go indie. and I'm sure korone understands that.
I wouldn't say anyone was in the wrong here, korone was sick and her manager was just doing her job. And i think what korone meant by being childish is the way she talked to her manager, she could've explain that she needed a rest with a bit of a calmer tone instead of shouting at her. Nobody is perfect but we can always fix it by improving ourselves.
I wouldn't say anyone was in the wrong here, korone was sick and her manager was just doing her job. And i think what korone meant by being childish is the way she talked to her manager, she could've explain that she needed a rest with a bit of a calmer tone instead of shouting at her. Nobody is perfect but we can always fix it by improving ourselves.
Thats the first thing to know about jobs like these, always have a separate phone or acounts from the job, so you actually dont get bother on rest times.
I hope Korone's manager (and those in the future) let her rest. Body health and mental health are important. It's not all about work, or the company, or the money. Individual lives are important! コロネのマネージャー（そして将来のマネージャー）が彼女を休ませてくれることを願っています。体の健康とメンタルヘルスは重要です。それは仕事、会社、お金のすべてではありません。個人の生活が大事！
I am assuming this was when she took her long break. It's understandable she would get irritated. Right when she said it was during her break I was like, ok you did nothing wrong lol. Korone when it comes to streaming she is one of the hardest working members, so if anyone deserves a break, it's her.
What I really think should happen is they take at least a month off to help get their old strength back since most of them are reporting health and rest issues.
Most idols don't get that luxury, it's probably why all of them are so young and always get overshadowed by new ones in a year or so, they give it their all for as long as they can but when they can't keep up the next generation is there to take their shot
@@velvetbutterfly Then i need to praise Pikamee, Tomoshika and Kson, who despite being JP Vtubers at core, somehow keep an oddly stable program of Streams and/or random content....
@@velvetbutterfly Kson is Coco. She does a lot more RL streams now, not just vtuber things. Tomoshika is one of Pikamee's group. She's known for some rather yabe english, among other things.
Sasuga Japanese work culture. Some countries have laws prohibiting bosses from contacting you on your time off, they might want to think about that. I know mane-chan had good intentions, but that's just not right, 100% understand Korone's reaction. Her feeling bad about it shows how bs jp work culture is.
I feel so bad for the v-tubers… it feels like they are all tied strictly to a schedule and their careers in Hololive could be over from missing a couple streams because of sickness of other unseen events
I would shout at my manager or supervisor too if they bothered me during my rest days. Japan's work culture is very toxic. Even when they are on vacation, they are expected to be contactable at all times. It is crazy! And the Japanese govt is surprised that more and more workers are committing sudoku.
We always talk about the talents and keep saying we love them, but can we just take a moment to appreciate and give love to all of the managers behind the girls. They truly do work their butts off to make sure that the girls have a safe and comfortable work environment. We love all of you managers, keep doing a great job, while also obviously taking care of your own health.
Do they? .... Basically their job is to keep the talent working and ban them from actions that Cover doesn't like. Independent vtubers don't have managers and don't have any issues. The main benefit I see is that they organize contracts for sponsorships and paid events... but it isn't clear what the profit sharing is on that. Coco/kson certainly doesn't seem harmed by no manager.
@@Idiomatick depends.... Somewhat of an Opinion that came from RGE: Hololive is beneficial... WHEN IT COMES TO KEEP TALENT from causing PR disaster problems and providing proper support to Talent that can have issues managing that if they were to go (or did have done) solo/Indie. The thing is thus whether or not the Person behind the Vtuber character is able to avoid/disengage those PR hellholes properly without a Manager and Big Corpo backing them. Kson did quite the job, but even so the time she spent at Hololive brought quite the benefits (A large audience got to know the "style", learnt quite a lot to enhance the content/backstage work) to when she came back... so i guess the time she spent there also brought the expertise to handle by herself all parts of being an Online personality.... Kson i believe is one of those cases of getting better even when the game is going, but i hope that Imposter syndrome doesn't hit again anytime soon.
both side are very understandable mane-chan just doing her work she did nothing wrong and korone wasnt able to stop herself from yelling at mane-chan bc shes really suppose to be resting
There is a lot of work behind streams for girls. Japan overwork lifestyle is present for these girls also. I am somekind happy about Coco's emancipated life now for that reason
Considering when Shion and Kanata tried to wake her up that one time she sent them literally flying through the walls of the office, and then proceeded to level the office and Pekora when A-chan woke her up, I'd say getting yelled at when she's trying to rest and you're bugging her is getting off lightly....
Been snapped at so many times at work I don’t even feel it much anymore lol, but unlike Korone I don’t think those who snap at me actually realise I was also doing my job.
If I knew by any chance that Korone is trying to rest, I will let her rest and exterminate anyone that will try to interrupt any of it. Not because I want to harm others, but to protect them from her unstoppable wrath.
People hating on the manager. 🤦♀ Guys that's just how jobs work. It's nothing like teacher telling students to do their homework. A manager is also an employee that has to fulfill their duties. You can't just report to your supervisor like "Uh I didn't want to disturb her about work because she was sick" and not expect to be fired. I worked at a travel agency and I get phone calls all-day when I'm on break or on holidays, because if they don't reach me, some innocent client might be stuck at an airport or be unable to receive their passports back. I'm sure it's the same with every business. Nobody wants to disturb you when you're sick or taking a break if it's not something genuinely important, maybe not important to you, but important to them.
Bro I literally quit my job over these exact circumstances, employers need to know when enough is enough. We're not just expendable items that can work forever for their benefit.
Just imagine how much stress you need to go through in order to snap to your manager. Korone i can tell she has a LOT of patience and still that happened
Miko: MANE-CHAN HELP ME MY CAMERA ISN'T WORKING!! Miko Manager: Okay! I'm contacting IT right now! Miko: NEVERMIND MANE-CHAN I JUST RESTARTED IT SO IT'S WORKING NOW!! Miko Manager: ...well at least it's working...
Getting rest and work free time is super important. Employers who keep pestering people on their time off with work related stuff really need to stop. That's how you burn out your staff. I guess in their case some communication can't be helped, but they really need to try their best - because so many Hololive members have either broken down already and have health issues or show signs of burn out.
That ending still seems scary with the dogeza XD Korone: Look at what you made me do on stream because of you. 0^0 menacing* I had to 'apologize' for your insolence! Manager-chan: Dogeza* I SOWWY PLS FOGIVE MEH!
I don't think she was wrong to get angry as long as she wasn't screaming at her. When you need to rest you need to rest. Mental health is important. As is personal space.
Korone got mad and blocked me on her channel too. I had just found her channel and I said I love her videos. Now I cannot post/join member/chat. Idk why she blocked me so I stopped watching her
I hope that the fans also learn from this that the message "take a break please _____" isnt as hmmm helpful and supportive as you think it is. The thought is nice sure but the reality is that the talents still need to do work even when on a break. Basically what I'm trying to say is that even on breaks the talents are working hard behind the scenes, and so are the managers. Everyone involved is working hard and we need to respect that they need as much space as they can get to themselves.
They don't "still need to do work", the company is making them work and it's fucked up. Korone was rightfully angry. A medical professional told Korone to rest and that she will need 3-4 years to fully heal. Just imagine you were on sick leave and your employer told you have to come to work because you had some prior engagements with a client. While keeping bothering you all the way through your leave by sending you messages. This would be straight up illegal in many countries. It's not the worried fans that need to change their ways. It's the company operating in such insane conditions. Making a sick person working is not "working hard".
@@Vulji well we don't know a lot of things about this. many of her sponsors required her just to record herself saying some lines. which is annoying to do when you're sick but totally doable. it is not ideal, true, but is it insane? is it fucked up? and you're saying that for 3-4 years, she will be sick. so what, just don't work for four years? and I wonder why is no one blaming korone for doing an endurance stream where her manager clearly told her to rest, don't do it too much. oh yeah, the one blaming the company is the fans of korone, of course, korone can't be wrong, right?
@@Verosa1410 But I did blame Korone. People gave me a lot of shits about it too. /r/Hololive/comments/ru25td/ ( turn that into a reddit url if you want to see my comment. RUclips keeps deleting my comment if I post the full link) It is obviously not a good choice to do a 24 hours stream while your health is in her state. There is a difference between not working at all and having to take things slowly. See my other comment. Yeah it's fuck up ! I don't know if you realize but Japan is a place that has so many deaths by overwork that a special term was made to describe it: karoshi. One of the reason is not taking into account the health of the employees. It's the same in the entertainement industry. So yeah, knowing that, I think companies should have a legal obligation to not make sick people work. That's the least of things. Contractual obligations involving Korone should be either be renegotiate or delayed. The world will not end for Cover if Korone can't record lines about Sonic or Kunio-kun...
@@Vulji yes, japan as a whole have a fucked up work culture. But saying just from this one case that cover has that exact culture? Asking korone to record some line while she's sick is not ideal, but I don't think it's comparable to this karoshi thing. Unless you're including other cases, which I don't know, then maybe you have a point. But just from this story from Korone and you conclude that cover having a fucked up work culture is not fair. At least you're fair enough to not blindly blame it all on the manager.
@@Verosa1410 You're putting words in my mouth here buddy. I never said Cover as a whole has a fucked up work culture. I said that this particular incident was fucked up. A talent that just took a break because of an illness was pushed to her limit by a manager messaging her about work while she was trying to rest. This is a bad thing and shouldn't be normalized. We don't need to extrapolate on the whole company's work culture to know that. And of course the manager is not to blame. She's an employee too. She's just doing her job as an intermediary between the talents and the company.
I really hate how much these girls, and boys in Holostars, are pushed. I get that they have a lot of obligations, but this type of work is only gonna make the health of everyone involved worse.
I do not think that Korone is in the wrong for telling her manager to stop. She is the host of her own channel, if she thinks it is important for herself to rest, then she should rest. I mean, her streams are usually very long, and I do not blame her at all.
Damn, Japanese work culture is so impressive. But seriously they should let each other rest when they need it. This is not the middle ages with famines and stuff.
It's totally ok for her to be mad. IT's her day off and sick leaves so anyone with a common sense should know not to bother a patient. It's an incredible dk move from the management side to trying to push her like that. It's kinda wrong for her to even try to be nice and apologize in this situation.
Just maybe, probably.... The one time at Hologra when Korone taking a nap and everyone trying to messing up with her while some of them instantly got fucked up was legit an easter egg about this story?
Holo better be careful to not inherit the standart japanese salaryman work ethic too much. Where they have to work way too much on things beside streaming. I feel there must be a better way to schedule things. When their bodies scream for a break, thats nothing to take lightly. Over time all these breaks, that werent really regenerative breaks will pile up and they maybe need to pause for months or worst case scenario just have to quit because they cant do it anymore. (Btw thats not even considering the mental fatigue...gotta say Nenes situation is quite concerning...those kind of problems never really go away, its quite the up and down even with professional help.)
I feel like that is fine to get angry at she shouldn’t need to apologize, I mean all they would have needed to do was make a list for what she needs to do when she gets back. Constantly messaging her about it seems excessive and pretty inconsiderate to how she was feeling at the time especially given her body wasn’t doing well. If anything it probably improved their relationship and made the manager better at their job.
To be fair things tend to happen pretty quickly in their line of work. I wouldn't be surprised if her manager was just trying to keep her in the loop/on schedule without realizing how it could be received. just as an example, it could be like "oh lets remind her of this meeting coming up" then a couple hours later they get confirmation of a sponsorship deal, then an invitation to a special event, oh i just got word we will have to reschedule that trip to the office. Next thing you know they've sent a bunch of messages in a few hours and spammed her. I've been in this position before and realized I've spammed a bunch of emails without realizing it. To be fair the manager could have been operating on autopilot and not been taking into consideration that Korone was supposed to be on break, but i'm sure there were things that would require Korone's input that had probably been in motion before Korone went on break. Either way i'm glad to hear that there is no hard feelings.
Honestly I feel the takeaway that everyone is missing is that even when talents are on "break" they're not actually getting full rest, and that's kind of a red flag. It's bad enough that we know many of these talents don't take breaks, but when even their breaks involve work, I'm getting a bit of a bad vibe from the company.
That's just what being an idol is, at least they can do most of their job at home so they can rest more than "real" idols but the entire industry is horrid
@@velvetbutterfly Not true actually. The more often you find youself working from home, the more you tie the idea of 'home' with the idea of 'work', and the time you spend there becomes less and less restful. This idea that working from home is somehow better than going to a workplace really needs to start being corrected before it becomes part of our culture. If you do work from home, try to do it either on a different computer to your personal one, and in a different room if possible. My friend couldn't do that, but having a 2nd account on his computer for 'work' and a different chair for working vs relaxing helped him out a lot, before he started doing that, he was finding it harder and harder to relax in his own private time.
@@velvetbutterfly yes and no. If the commute is during peak times, or excessively far, definitely not great, but 30min to and from work is good for your mental health. It gives your mind time to change from work mode to non-work mode. Like all things in life, everything in moderation. Too much work, travel, and even rest are bad for you. On that topic, if you work from home, I suggest taking a short walk around the local area, 10-20 minutes after you stop working before you start your home life/relaxation, both because the excersize is good for you, fresh air and sun are very important, but also because it helps your brain get ready to relax.
Uh yea no lmao? It's pretty disrespectful as a manager to know your employee is off work and or sick and demand they feel better and get back to work. Like that's pretty "abusive" at least by the u.s's standards of working rights.
This is just unprofessional from Hololive company side. All their revenue and income depends on the talents. If the talent is so overworked that she needs a medical help to recover it should be obvious that the brake they take to rest is sacred and should be not disturbed. If there are deals and contracts pending they should be postponed or cancelled outright, even if it would harm the finances. In the long run it's much worst to not get the talents the opportunity to rest. It would result in building fatigue and stress and making the breaks more frequent and longer to the point that the talent would not be able to work any more and quit. Then you have lost all the contracts and money. The real problem with japanese companies is their "honour". I think that it is for that reason that they disregard the health of employees and think that the company good name is the most important. The same can be said for the employees themselves: they value company more than their own health. That is in the blood of japanese people. They are thought from young age to be perfect students/workers. It's great for the country but not so much for the people themselves. I live in Europe and when I have a break in my work that is my sacred time and I can be contacted only in emergencies. If employer contacts me with trivial matter when I'm on a break I don't hesitate to "scold" them about it. I, myself, am a manager of sorts and when an employee is on a break, especially because of their health, I try to never contact them. Hope that Hololive will change their ways because soon their members will start to "graduate", and that will be a shame for all of us: talents, company and viewers.
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Korone: "STOP"
Manager: "Korone, I'm not a bot, you can't opt out of these messages"
lol! that was funny
lol! that was funny
lol! that was funny
lol! that was funny
530 likes says everything XD
Korone: "Yubi!"
Manager: "Yubi?"
Korone: *index to lips* "yubi quiet"
Underrated pun 🤣
ohh that actually made me laugh! well done lmao
Korone Manager during endurance: Please take care of your health and rest
Korone Manager when Korone is resting: "You have work to do"
Fyi, Hololive girls get their manager changed periodically
Yeah just like what @kevinpratama said, these 2 conversations are two different managers from my knowledge
@@User-sk5zf I dunno if the new manager would feel inclined to send a dogeza for a previous manager though
well, there's a lot of projects that the manager can't do anything about it, like sponsors and stuff. so both of them don't have other choices. as korone said, they're just working.
Sometimes, managers need the talent to give the okay on things. Like it can't be helped, unfortunately.
When the evil God Korone-san tells you that she's taking a rest, then she is taking a rest...
That's what the inspiration behind sleeping Korone hologra was
Sometimes you just snap at the wrong person. It's feels so horrible. Glad Mane-chan didn't take it the wrong way.
except that it wasnt the wrong person lol, the manager should have respected her break, this is a black company after all, lack of empathy and dehumanized treatment by the employees is expected.
@@MrKroxan Hololive is unproven to be a black company, if it is then drop the receipts. This is how false rumors spread, through people like you assuming it's already true.
@@MrKroxan what are you on?
I never found any that holo is black company. Its exactly the opposite that the talents mostly forced themself. Hell tough job for manager that pursued them to rest.
Harder in ID branch where their talent seems hard to the core, such as Moona wanted to stream even she got sick or Ollie who want to keep going even she didnt sleep at all.
If talking about black company,
I did found one which is comes from hololive rival, though it is only when the company still young.
Salute for their first gen that become pillar for what they are now.
@@MrKroxan Lui worked in a black company beforehand and said how nice it was to work with Hololive after everything she went through there, how much better Hololive is.
Possibly the biggest difference between EN and JP breaks is that EN plan ahead way ahead of time on their breaks, while JP usually take sudden breaks because of health, so I can imagine a lot of projects cut into their break because of lack of planning.
Probably not even possible planning far ahead too with JP side, seeing JP side releasing songs, preparing for 3d/concert/lives, partnering with big company, then behind the scene stuffs like dance lesson, singing lesson, voice acting lesson (optional) and even English lesson (optional).
@@snow-yuki Then making a particular tempo is highly recommended to prevent overworking.
It also doesnt help that the JP are known to be usually against breaks when it comes to work because it makes it seem like they are seen as "Lazy" so they usually try to never take breaks
@@VIRGILE124 it's also probably why so many of them are suffering from throat or other medical issues recently.
Overworking is a real thing. Most of them only sleep 4 hours according to themselves from a year ago.
@@SuperCatacata in japan if you arent over-working then you arent working enough, its why so many black companies have so much controversy
On one hand, given how peppy and cheerful Koro-san usually is, I imagine she's actually pretty scary when she gets mad (well, hologra does make that canon, so...). On the other hand, all I can kinda imagine is her barking angrily at her manager XD;;;
Oh yea no doubt. You dont want to mess with Korone when shes upset
you don't want to piss people with high tolerance, because when they pissed all hell will break lose... okayu, mio, roboco, azki, etc will be quite nasty when they really angry...
@@alphaxfang when a nice guy gets angry, the world shivers…
It’s very much the thing of guys like Goku or Superman; they’re normally so happy that when they get genuinely pissed off it’s terrifying even to the people they’re not mad at.
well certainly you don't wanna mess with someone who got black belt..
"Sometimes you just miss one day and so many messages pile up"
That's called bad management. If they don't have your back during breaks, then that is just simply bad management, nothing more to say.
Marine took a one month+ break from streaming, which really hurt her income. Yet she couldn't really rest and 2 months later she is already back to the point where she needs another break.
The frequencies at which the talents need medical care is increasing rapidly.
I just hope they listen to their bodies. I think Nene also had a nervous break down.
@@Herr.P well she said she's doing strong against her depression which I felt glad and worried at the same time, hopefully she's seriously taking care of herself
@@FAQ_SiLV I remember when Robin Williams said similar stuff, and look what happened at the end
Marine choose to use the high pitch cute voice which stresses her throat, and like most holomems her itinerary is pretty packed full. Rest is.. Difficult to say the least.
@@Herr.P yeah, polka dragged her to the hospital
I've been on both side of things, not the talent-manager stuff but just the plain 'ol soul-draining salaryman stuff..I experienced being part of the 'grunts' and hated how managers just kept on pushing their people to do more work..when I had the chance to be the manager I always felt bad pushing the people under me to meet the company demands but I can't stop due to the pressure from the people above me, the stress made me quit my job a year later and traumatized me on work that comes with managing people..
I guess what I'm trying to say is that both sides have it real tough, Korone's Mane-chan probably also wanted to let Korone rest since her break is tied to her medical condition but they're also being pressured by the people they have to work with, especially when it comes to schedules, on projects that involve Korone..I hope they both get a break from all the pressure
OMG same here also traumatized with managing people 🤣
Yeah, but you kind of can tell when a manager is just getting pressure from the higher ups and when is just that they want results to BE one of the higher ups too, not saying this is happening in hololive, just talking from my own experience, they are some legit assholes out there who don't have an ounce of remorse asking people to stay late or giving them twice the work.
@@Yasviele yeah, you totally can, and it really sucks a lot when your manager doesn't even care about their people or how things actually go
Lol im one of those "corporate slaves" but i understand how hard the manager side of things is, i dont have to become one to understans the ammount of pressure they get from their higher ups. Sometimes good people turn into douches when they become managers because their job requires them to be douches..its sad
i've had some stressful jobs. or maybe i just dont handle stress well. i gave up trying to make a lot of money and just work a simple, less stress, 9 to 5 job and spend my energy on hobbies and my passion. i make less money now but i am a lot happier.
Hey, a dogeza! A tremendous apology! Korone taught overseas guys what that is 😃
DOOGeza orz
Imo dogeza is the ultimate submissive gesture. I feel it’s too demeaning to use in common parlance, but seeing it being used even uncommonly is still outrageous.
Speaks volumes of the type of person who would readily throw themselves to the ground in forgiveness.
Sometimes, in my opinion, it’s better to stick by your decisions, good or bad, and seek no forgiveness for others’ perceived slight against them.
TL;DR: grow a pair.
@@devranyilmaz9806 "for other's perceived slight?" what about if the slight is real and recognized by the person that committed it and it is a part of their culture?
@@drumanaut If you don’t personally feel any guilt, don’t let others shame or convince you that you should. These people don’t want you to say sorry, they want you to submit to them.
@@devranyilmaz9806 Bruh, that's not growing a pair, that's being a selfish jerkass. You're advocating & rationalizing some pretty gross behavior. The idea that people want you to submit to them is straight-up tinfoil-hat BS & speaks volumes about how you view others; sounds like selfishness born as a coping mechanism for a victim complex.
2:30 koronesuki popping out right when miko mimicked her manager saying "roger!" was perfect timing XD
It's good that she apologized but I think it was well within Korone's right to complain about not being allowed to rest during her break.
@@Fortevn You can just acknowledge it but don't have to do about it. Something called 'updates and news'.
why i block my job when im not at work lol. but her job is a bit different
1000% rest time is for rest. Everything else can wit.
That's rough. What's the point of taking a break to rest if you still have to work during it? That's not a real break at all.
well yeah, they're working, not playing around. there's a lot of projects that involve many people and big brand.
Oh boy, that's practically the norm where I'm from. I think the only countries this doesn't apply to are western countries. Asian and middle eastern countries suffer from the same thing from what I'm hearing from some of my overseas friends and from my own experience working as well. It's even worse with the work from home setup since your boss can just call you to make you work asap if need be and overtime pay is dependent on luck if you get into a good company that actually cares to record your OT hours.
Welcome to japanese work culture. Where 9-9 is expected.
@@miragespl In the west here they generally deter management from authorizing overtime because it increases hourly wage by 50% higher and their budget simply doesn't plan for the additional expense. They "can" call me up and ask me to come into work. Which they even have a stronger (personal?) objection. I'm not sure why but it's exceedingly rare for me to personally get called in. But at my job management is expected to shuffle employees around as much as possible to prioritize specific tasks as there are a lot of people doing supportive work. All time is tracked through automated systems and clocking in and out.
A shame she feels like she even has to apologize. Establishing firm boundaries is legit necessary for your health with the work culture they have over there.
Miko manager vibes are way too god, looks like the kinda of guy that welcomes customers like " RASSHAI"
The vibes I get are over-zealous grunts in Yakuza, knowing their asses (or worse) are on the line.
Lmao i can totally imagine that
I feel that
sometime you just build up so much stress, and it snap at the wrong time to the worst person to yell at.
I can kinda relate to this, use to have my manager at work always call me when it was my day off. And too many times during my days off I’d be asked if I could come in to take over for somebody else who called in sick. Like the extra cash sounds nice if I come in but bruh my body ain’t feelin it.
That manager later become the double for Frodo during that scene where Gollum bites his finger off.
Jesus christ this is so depressing to hear, also saying it was immature when it's only natural that you need rest at some point. Japan being the country it is with a literal word for death of overwork "karoshi" can sometimes be really frightening. Have 2 japanese friends who's dad ultimately died of overwork, they said they didn't even really know him because he could'nt really spent time at home.
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It does suck when you're supposed to be on a break and you still have to think about work. I would be like tell me everything you need from me for the next weeks because I will not be available for anything.
I'm glad I work in a job where I can just turn off my phone when I take a day off without anyone getting upset.
Well, my boss might get upset, but I won't get fired for it.
Well, I didn't get fired for it *yet*
How badly your area/department needs you?
For example, if you an experienced IT/Software developer person with YEARS of work in the area.... Odds are mininal they will fire you for turning the phone off when past work hours and everything is within schedule (unless shit hit the fan BADLY) and they don't need any extra work (or just don't wish to give you reasons to give the 2 week notice if they PISSED you off a little too much)
Then suddenly everyone in the comments was like
"You know, I'm something of a manager myself."
Okayu is right about Korone needing her alone time
It's weird to think that break you don't actually get off work. A few days of actual time off is way better than a week of part time work.
Korone and Miko have such great energy together I love it
Getting rest and work free time is super important. Employers who keep pestering people on their time off with work related stuff really need to stop. That's how you burn out your staff.
I guess in their case some communication can't be helped, but they really need to try their best - because so many Hololive members have either broken down already and have health issues or show signs of burn out.
I don't have it anywhere close to what they deal with but shoot just being the assistant manager gets annoying. It's your day off, workers calling you for stupid shit they should well know how to do especially after being there for more than a year is annoying in itself. the benefits would definitely have to out way the negative for me to stick with it. which is why i'm currently hoping my app i just put in thursday works out. "way more than you make now" is what i was told. we will see
I don't think Korone should feel too bad. Of course the manager has things she needs to do, but Korone was on a break for a reason. She really needed the rest for the sake of her health, and it sounds like her manager was preventing that from happening, albeit unintentionally. If there was ever a time where I could forgive someone for snapping, I think that's it. Especially if that's the first time she's ever done it. And sometimes you end up _needing_ to yell or freak out, if trying to make your needs understood in normal ways isn't working. That's just the way the ball bounces sometimes.
Korone was on break but this is still a job with a lot that goes on behind the scenes. Deals are made, appointments set, contracts are organized, all stuff that can’t really be put off easily.
@@Assasin2 I know that, I never said that wasn't the case.
@@Assasin2 sure but when it's korone we talking about who always goes long hours in stream and she finally taking a break i think it's a given that manager know to not disturb her rest no matter how important the job is.
it makes me feeling a bit angry at the management of holo.
@@Assasin2 None of that really needs her input.
@@momogi618 oh yeah her manager knows damn well, hell her manager probably knows korone better than any of us. but as already mentioned above, it's not her manager that makes the decision. there's a lot of people involved. in the end, korone is working for a company, if she needs to rest because of her endurance stream, then that means she shouldn't do endurance stream. if she wants to do anything she wants, then go indie. and I'm sure korone understands that.
I wouldn't say anyone was in the wrong here, korone was sick and her manager was just doing her job.
And i think what korone meant by being childish is the way she talked to her manager, she could've explain that she needed a rest with a bit of a calmer tone instead of shouting at her.
Nobody is perfect but we can always fix it by improving ourselves.
Yagoo is in the wrong for making the manager's job to harass people on their break.
Don't call on days off unless it's an emergency. Especially when they took their day off to rest
Miko's manager be like: 'Have you tried turning it off and on again?' -.-
When you're on break, you're on break, I'm on Korone's side here.
Korone did nothing wrong.
i dont get how anyone is on the side of someone saying "your sick, you need to work!"
I love how she admitted to being immature and wrong and you still wrote behind your keyboard, "I'm on Korone's side"
@@wrequiem1727 if ur really sick and ur forced into work, especially at times like these, your boss is an asshole, its not hard
@@hate6crew6death6roll Your manager is your boss? Even if that's the case for you, clearly not for holo
I wouldn't say anyone was in the wrong here, korone was sick and her manager was just doing her job.
And i think what korone meant by being childish is the way she talked to her manager, she could've explain that she needed a rest with a bit of a calmer tone instead of shouting at her.
Nobody is perfect but we can always fix it by improving ourselves.
Thats the first thing to know about jobs like these, always have a separate phone or acounts from the job, so you actually dont get bother on rest times.
I hope Korone's manager (and those in the future) let her rest. Body health and mental health are important. It's not all about work, or the company, or the money. Individual lives are important!
コロネのマネージャー（そして将来のマネージャー）が彼女を休ませてくれることを願っています。体の健康とメンタルヘルスは重要です。それは仕事、会社、お金のすべてではありません。個人の生活が大事！
'just turning it off and on fixed the problem'
Always
actually korone's response is completly fine
I am assuming this was when she took her long break. It's understandable she would get irritated. Right when she said it was during her break I was like, ok you did nothing wrong lol. Korone when it comes to streaming she is one of the hardest working members, so if anyone deserves a break, it's her.
What I really think should happen is they take at least a month off to help get their old strength back since most of them are reporting health and rest issues.
Most idols don't get that luxury, it's probably why all of them are so young and always get overshadowed by new ones in a year or so, they give it their all for as long as they can but when they can't keep up the next generation is there to take their shot
@@velvetbutterfly
Then i need to praise Pikamee, Tomoshika and Kson, who despite being JP Vtubers at core, somehow keep an oddly stable program of Streams and/or random content....
@@andrehashimoto8056 I don't think Pikamee is an idol, she's simply a streamer, and I don't think I heard of the others so I can't say
@@velvetbutterfly Kson is Coco. She does a lot more RL streams now, not just vtuber things.
Tomoshika is one of Pikamee's group. She's known for some rather yabe english, among other things.
@@ThoraeJenkins but are they idols?
Same thing with Marine, eventhough she's supposed to be on a break to rest her throat but she's still working, just not streaming
Sasuga Japanese work culture.
Some countries have laws prohibiting bosses from contacting you on your time off, they might want to think about that.
I know mane-chan had good intentions, but that's just not right, 100% understand Korone's reaction. Her feeling bad about it shows how bs jp work culture is.
Manager-chan: "I never had this problem with Inverse Korone"
The pressure of being worker in *idol* company
I feel so bad for the v-tubers… it feels like they are all tied strictly to a schedule and their careers in Hololive could be over from missing a couple streams because of sickness of other unseen events
Korone got angry and yelled at her manager.
Manager: Time to put the dog down.
And thats how a punny human see the. Rage of the god dog.
Next day mannager san wake up with no yubis
_Ko'one Ko'one Ko'one_ *DINERO*
The first seconds of the clip just reminds me of Jahy-sama OP2.
I'm with Korone, respect the work / life balance or get wrecked.
If they’re on rest it’s for a reason and they really shouldn’t be getting swamped with work messages
I would shout at my manager or supervisor too if they bothered me during my rest days. Japan's work culture is very toxic. Even when they are on vacation, they are expected to be contactable at all times. It is crazy! And the Japanese govt is surprised that more and more workers are committing sudoku.
We always talk about the talents and keep saying we love them, but can we just take a moment to appreciate and give love to all of the managers behind the girls. They truly do work their butts off to make sure that the girls have a safe and comfortable work environment. We love all of you managers, keep doing a great job, while also obviously taking care of your own health.
Do they? .... Basically their job is to keep the talent working and ban them from actions that Cover doesn't like. Independent vtubers don't have managers and don't have any issues.
The main benefit I see is that they organize contracts for sponsorships and paid events... but it isn't clear what the profit sharing is on that.
Coco/kson certainly doesn't seem harmed by no manager.
@@Idiomatick depends....
Somewhat of an Opinion that came from RGE: Hololive is beneficial... WHEN IT COMES TO KEEP TALENT from causing PR disaster problems and providing proper support to Talent that can have issues managing that if they were to go (or did have done) solo/Indie. The thing is thus whether or not the Person behind the Vtuber character is able to avoid/disengage those PR hellholes properly without a Manager and Big Corpo backing them.
Kson did quite the job, but even so the time she spent at Hololive brought quite the benefits (A large audience got to know the "style", learnt quite a lot to enhance the content/backstage work) to when she came back... so i guess the time she spent there also brought the expertise to handle by herself all parts of being an Online personality....
Kson i believe is one of those cases of getting better even when the game is going, but i hope that Imposter syndrome doesn't hit again anytime soon.
@@Idiomatick Except.. she always had a manager? Most big ticket streamers do? Why even comment on something you know fuck all about.
both side are very understandable mane-chan just doing her work she did nothing wrong and korone wasnt able to stop herself from yelling at mane-chan bc shes really suppose to be resting
Regular Idol: gets bonked by manager
God Doog Korone: *bonks the manager*
There is a lot of work behind streams for girls. Japan overwork lifestyle is present for these girls also.
I am somekind happy about Coco's emancipated life now for that reason
That's just how reality is, yeah...
Considering when Shion and Kanata tried to wake her up that one time she sent them literally flying through the walls of the office, and then proceeded to level the office and Pekora when A-chan woke her up, I'd say getting yelled at when she's trying to rest and you're bugging her is getting off lightly....
cute mikorone.
props to hololive talents' managers.
Like when doggo gets mad you blow into your
Funny how some members regularly go on hiatus for a long time but maybe since Korone is one of the cash cows shes not allowed as much.
After a long day my dog also gets grumpy
Been snapped at so many times at work I don’t even feel it much anymore lol, but unlike Korone I don’t think those who snap at me actually realise I was also doing my job.
2:25 Mikochiiiii... 😂😂😂
Seriously though, streaming takes quite the mental toll, let em rest.
Korone = Sorry I can't stream, I'm just exhausted and might get sick if I dont rest.
Everyone worried Doggo might be unwell= *Pablo Escobar Waiting*
If I knew by any chance that Korone is trying to rest, I will let her rest and exterminate anyone that will try to interrupt any of it.
Not because I want to harm others, but to protect them from her unstoppable wrath.
People make fun of them, but unlike on the west this kinda stuff is actually like a job.
I can relate to Korone here on a spiritual level.
People hating on the manager. 🤦♀
Guys that's just how jobs work. It's nothing like teacher telling students to do their homework. A manager is also an employee that has to fulfill their duties. You can't just report to your supervisor like "Uh I didn't want to disturb her about work because she was sick" and not expect to be fired.
I worked at a travel agency and I get phone calls all-day when I'm on break or on holidays, because if they don't reach me, some innocent client might be stuck at an airport or be unable to receive their passports back.
I'm sure it's the same with every business. Nobody wants to disturb you when you're sick or taking a break if it's not something genuinely important, maybe not important to you, but important to them.
Bro I literally quit my job over these exact circumstances, employers need to know when enough is enough. We're not just expendable items that can work forever for their benefit.
Is it just me or did Korone breake her voice with that scream?
Just fired that annoying manager, if her sick & need rest you shouldn't annoy her with job because her already taking a break
Just imagine how much stress you need to go through in order to snap to your manager.
Korone i can tell she has a LOT of patience and still that happened
Miko: MANE-CHAN HELP ME MY CAMERA ISN'T WORKING!!
Miko Manager: Okay! I'm contacting IT right now!
Miko: NEVERMIND MANE-CHAN I JUST RESTARTED IT SO IT'S WORKING NOW!!
Miko Manager: ...well at least it's working...
Ko'one does 3 day streams constantly, why make her work when she's tired enough
poor manager-chan... I wonder how many yubis she has left from being snapped at by Korone? lol...
Getting rest and work free time is super important. Employers who keep pestering people on their time off with work related stuff really need to stop. That's how you burn out your staff.
I guess in their case some communication can't be helped, but they really need to try their best - because so many Hololive members have either broken down already and have health issues or show signs of burn out.
aw crap! i feel bad her new manager and her are not getting along so well
How did you somehow come to the conclusion that she her new manager are not getting along?
Poor Mane-chan
I relate to her so much
Wow, i never expected that from krorone. My point of view about her changed a lil bit 😅
I don't blame her at all.
being on break and still doing work related stuff is not exactly what u call being on break though. korone was totally right
That ending still seems scary with the dogeza XD
Korone: Look at what you made me do on stream because of you. 0^0 menacing* I had to 'apologize' for your insolence!
Manager-chan: Dogeza* I SOWWY PLS FOGIVE MEH!
I don't think she was wrong to get angry as long as she wasn't screaming at her. When you need to rest you need to rest. Mental health is important. As is personal space.
Korone got mad and blocked me on her channel too. I had just found her channel and I said I love her videos. Now I cannot post/join member/chat. Idk why she blocked me so I stopped watching her
I hope that the fans also learn from this that the message "take a break please _____" isnt as hmmm helpful and supportive as you think it is. The thought is nice sure but the reality is that the talents still need to do work even when on a break. Basically what I'm trying to say is that even on breaks the talents are working hard behind the scenes, and so are the managers. Everyone involved is working hard and we need to respect that they need as much space as they can get to themselves.
They don't "still need to do work", the company is making them work and it's fucked up. Korone was rightfully angry.
A medical professional told Korone to rest and that she will need 3-4 years to fully heal.
Just imagine you were on sick leave and your employer told you have to come to work because you had some prior engagements with a client. While keeping bothering you all the way through your leave by sending you messages. This would be straight up illegal in many countries.
It's not the worried fans that need to change their ways. It's the company operating in such insane conditions. Making a sick person working is not "working hard".
@@Vulji well we don't know a lot of things about this. many of her sponsors required her just to record herself saying some lines. which is annoying to do when you're sick but totally doable. it is not ideal, true, but is it insane? is it fucked up? and you're saying that for 3-4 years, she will be sick. so what, just don't work for four years? and I wonder why is no one blaming korone for doing an endurance stream where her manager clearly told her to rest, don't do it too much. oh yeah, the one blaming the company is the fans of korone, of course, korone can't be wrong, right?
@@Verosa1410 But I did blame Korone. People gave me a lot of shits about it too. /r/Hololive/comments/ru25td/ ( turn that into a reddit url if you want to see my comment. RUclips keeps deleting my comment if I post the full link)
It is obviously not a good choice to do a 24 hours stream while your health is in her state.
There is a difference between not working at all and having to take things slowly. See my other comment.
Yeah it's fuck up ! I don't know if you realize but Japan is a place that has so many deaths by overwork that a special term was made to describe it: karoshi.
One of the reason is not taking into account the health of the employees. It's the same in the entertainement industry.
So yeah, knowing that, I think companies should have a legal obligation to not make sick people work. That's the least of things.
Contractual obligations involving Korone should be either be renegotiate or delayed. The world will not end for Cover if Korone can't record lines about Sonic or Kunio-kun...
@@Vulji yes, japan as a whole have a fucked up work culture. But saying just from this one case that cover has that exact culture? Asking korone to record some line while she's sick is not ideal, but I don't think it's comparable to this karoshi thing. Unless you're including other cases, which I don't know, then maybe you have a point. But just from this story from Korone and you conclude that cover having a fucked up work culture is not fair. At least you're fair enough to not blindly blame it all on the manager.
@@Verosa1410 You're putting words in my mouth here buddy. I never said Cover as a whole has a fucked up work culture. I said that this particular incident was fucked up.
A talent that just took a break because of an illness was pushed to her limit by a manager messaging her about work while she was trying to rest. This is a bad thing and shouldn't be normalized. We don't need to extrapolate on the whole company's work culture to know that.
And of course the manager is not to blame. She's an employee too. She's just doing her job as an intermediary between the talents and the company.
I really hate how much these girls, and boys in Holostars, are pushed. I get that they have a lot of obligations, but this type of work is only gonna make the health of everyone involved worse.
Of course it is DOGeza
I do not think that Korone is in the wrong for telling her manager to stop. She is the host of her own channel, if she thinks it is important for herself to rest, then she should rest. I mean, her streams are usually very long, and I do not blame her at all.
Damn, Japanese work culture is so impressive. But seriously they should let each other rest when they need it. This is not the middle ages with famines and stuff.
It's totally ok for her to be mad. IT's her day off and sick leaves so anyone with a common sense should know not to bother a patient. It's an incredible dk move from the management side to trying to push her like that. It's kinda wrong for her to even try to be nice and apologize in this situation.
Just maybe, probably....
The one time at Hologra when Korone taking a nap and everyone trying to messing up with her while some of them instantly got fucked up was legit an easter egg about this story?
Holo better be careful to not inherit the standart japanese salaryman work ethic too much.
Where they have to work way too much on things beside streaming.
I feel there must be a better way to schedule things. When their bodies scream for a break, thats nothing to take lightly. Over time all these breaks, that werent really regenerative breaks will pile up and they maybe need to pause for months or worst case scenario just have to quit because they cant do it anymore.
(Btw thats not even considering the mental fatigue...gotta say Nenes situation is quite concerning...those kind of problems never really go away, its quite the up and down even with professional help.)
Holo is an idol company first and foremost, it has one of the worst overwork mentalities by default
Korone: "LET ME REST!"
**Flashback to many many long very long endurance streams**
Manager: "THIS IS NOT A NEGOTIATION!"
I feel like that is fine to get angry at she shouldn’t need to apologize, I mean all they would have needed to do was make a list for what she needs to do when she gets back. Constantly messaging her about it seems excessive and pretty inconsiderate to how she was feeling at the time especially given her body wasn’t doing well. If anything it probably improved their relationship and made the manager better at their job.
To be fair things tend to happen pretty quickly in their line of work. I wouldn't be surprised if her manager was just trying to keep her in the loop/on schedule without realizing how it could be received.
just as an example, it could be like "oh lets remind her of this meeting coming up" then a couple hours later they get confirmation of a sponsorship deal, then an invitation to a special event, oh i just got word we will have to reschedule that trip to the office.
Next thing you know they've sent a bunch of messages in a few hours and spammed her. I've been in this position before and realized I've spammed a bunch of emails without realizing it.
To be fair the manager could have been operating on autopilot and not been taking into consideration that Korone was supposed to be on break, but i'm sure there were things that would require Korone's input that had probably been in motion before Korone went on break.
Either way i'm glad to hear that there is no hard feelings.
This manager is lucky to have this job. I don't know a lot of people alive after made angry the DOOG.
Never piss off Korone or she well be mad.
@@real_mode never piss off nobody
Or anyone gets a ass wiping.
@@real_mode yes.
Honestly I feel the takeaway that everyone is missing is that even when talents are on "break" they're not actually getting full rest, and that's kind of a red flag. It's bad enough that we know many of these talents don't take breaks, but when even their breaks involve work, I'm getting a bit of a bad vibe from the company.
That's just what being an idol is, at least they can do most of their job at home so they can rest more than "real" idols but the entire industry is horrid
There's nothing that can be done about that. There is some work that can't be rescheduled
@@velvetbutterfly Not true actually. The more often you find youself working from home, the more you tie the idea of 'home' with the idea of 'work', and the time you spend there becomes less and less restful.
This idea that working from home is somehow better than going to a workplace really needs to start being corrected before it becomes part of our culture.
If you do work from home, try to do it either on a different computer to your personal one, and in a different room if possible.
My friend couldn't do that, but having a 2nd account on his computer for 'work' and a different chair for working vs relaxing helped him out a lot, before he started doing that, he was finding it harder and harder to relax in his own private time.
@@ThoraeJenkins I'm aware but not needing to commute is a boon regardless
@@velvetbutterfly yes and no. If the commute is during peak times, or excessively far, definitely not great, but 30min to and from work is good for your mental health. It gives your mind time to change from work mode to non-work mode.
Like all things in life, everything in moderation. Too much work, travel, and even rest are bad for you.
On that topic, if you work from home, I suggest taking a short walk around the local area, 10-20 minutes after you stop working before you start your home life/relaxation, both because the excersize is good for you, fresh air and sun are very important, but also because it helps your brain get ready to relax.
I think you may have taught your manager a valuable lesson in boundaries.
Uh yea no lmao? It's pretty disrespectful as a manager to know your employee is off work and or sick and demand they feel better and get back to work.
Like that's pretty "abusive" at least by the u.s's standards of working rights.
Prima Donna doggo.
Lol i feel bad because she was probably doing her job and from what I understand she is new?
This is just unprofessional from Hololive company side. All their revenue and income depends on the talents. If the talent is so overworked that she needs a medical help to recover it should be obvious that the brake they take to rest is sacred and should be not disturbed. If there are deals and contracts pending they should be postponed or cancelled outright, even if it would harm the finances. In the long run it's much worst to not get the talents the opportunity to rest. It would result in building fatigue and stress and making the breaks more frequent and longer to the point that the talent would not be able to work any more and quit. Then you have lost all the contracts and money.
The real problem with japanese companies is their "honour". I think that it is for that reason that they disregard the health of employees and think that the company good name is the most important. The same can be said for the employees themselves: they value company more than their own health. That is in the blood of japanese people. They are thought from young age to be perfect students/workers. It's great for the country but not so much for the people themselves.
I live in Europe and when I have a break in my work that is my sacred time and I can be contacted only in emergencies. If employer contacts me with trivial matter when I'm on a break I don't hesitate to "scold" them about it. I, myself, am a manager of sorts and when an employee is on a break, especially because of their health, I try to never contact them.
Hope that Hololive will change their ways because soon their members will start to "graduate", and that will be a shame for all of us: talents, company and viewers.