Bergmann Simplex Pocket Pistols
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The Bergmann 1896 Number 2 pistol was a relatively successful compact pocket gun for its day, but quickly became obsolete as semiautomatic handguns developed and improved. Bergman and his chief engineer Schmeisser spent the late 1890s developing and improved version of the Bergmann automatics, pitting into two distinct lines of development. One was the Number 5 (1897) locked breech pistol for military service, which would evolve into the reasonable successful Model 1910. The other was the Number 6 (circa 1899) which would become the Simplex.
The Simplex was a compact simple blowback pistol firing a proprietary 8x18mm cartridge slightly less powerful than the .32 ACP. It used a detachable magazine of 5, 8, or 10 rounds and shared the basic aesthetic lines of the 1897 and 1903 Bergmann pistols, albeit smaller and cheaper. However, the Simplex was in direct competition with the FN/Browning 1900, which was a spectacularly successful and popular design. The Bergmann Simplex was unable to effectively, and only about 4000 were made in total before it was dropped form production.
There are two basic variations of the Simplex, and we have one of each in this video. The early guns have the magazine release located on the front of the magazine well, and the late pattern guns have a more modern style of magazine release button on the side of the frame above the trigger.
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I don't know why, but I find this pistol very attractive.
ikr i want those 2 so bad.
stealth chainsaw I'd buy them if they made reproductions in, say, 9mm
@@@Terabit3 That's true, but if they were made in 9mm it would kind of defeat the purpose of the simplex. It would have to be some kind of locked breech to handle 9mm.
It looks so simple in the first moment until you look for the simple components an barely find any, also it's small... There is more going on than with a sten but this here doesn't really look semi auto.
same
If you had two it would be a Bergmann Duplex, c'mon Ian!
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😂👍 Perfect. Ian nailed it, though:
matrix :: matrices; simplex :: simplices.
But hey, English ain't no dead language; OED also lists "simplexes."
True but what if you have three? Bergmann Triplex, then four a Bergmann Quadruplex!
No, that's not what Duplex means. A Bermann Duplex would be a bidirectional exchange of fire with pocket pistols. Which sounds simultaneously awesome, and like the one of the lames duels you could have.
Bergmann Multiplex.
people really don't get just how much of a dominant force in gun design browning was
SuperAWaC yep, a lot of his designs are still used today, but he was old enough to have been a drummer boy in the civil war
The M2 is still the longest-serving military firearm design. From 1933 to 2020, and as far as I know, there is no plan to replace it anytime soon.
That's honestly one of my favorite looking pistols now.
That's the coolest pistol I have ever seen
The ending was hilarious
I really love the idea of a magazine in front of the trigger guard as a form factor for pistols. I with more modern manufacturers would do something similar.
They don't do it that way anymore because there are a lot of disadvantages to having the magazine in front of the trigger. It makes the gun muzzle heavy, reloads are slightly slower, and it means the barrel is shorter for the same overall length, which means you're sacrificing velocity and therefor a lot of kinetic energy.
@@Regolith86 *"reloads are slightly slower"*
I own a Bayard 1910 model, and I reload just as good as I would with a 1911. It's a different design so it just needs practice, just like loading a lever action. It's not the way you have to reload that makes the gun inherently slow, you just need to practice and you'll get it down. It takes muscle memory. Actually, I find that I reload faster with my 1910 because its like reloading a mini AR-15.
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*"It makes the gun muzzle heavy,"*
Eh, not really, in my experience.
If you have decent strength there will *barely* be any weight difference other than how it feels. It's not a clunky or heavy pistol its just a different form you'll have to get used to because it is an unfamiliar feel to most firearms shooters who are more used to shooting modern pistols.
And actually weight helps reduce muzzle climb, and I've seen it myself with my 1910. There's a noticeable muzzle climb difference with my 1911 and my 1910, with the 1911 having slightly more muzzle climb than my 1910.
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*"it means the barrel is shorter for the same overall length, which means you're sacrificing velocity and therefor a lot of kinetic energy."*
This is technically correct but misunderstood.
Barrel length really doesn't make much of a difference with a pistol. As long as it has a barrel at least 4 inches there's barely any difference unless you're trying to shoot beyond 50 yards, which is -- in my opinion -- the max distance anyone should shoot a pistol, because beyond 50 yards not only is the target harder to see but the accuracy might suffer.
Barrel length doesn't matter nearly as much for a pistol as opposed to a rifle. A rifle barrel that is 10 inches versus 20 inches is a major difference in velocity and kinetic energy, but rifles are still shooting cartridges with velocity and energy that are 5 times greater than 80% of any handgun cartridge.
Either way, though, barrel length for pistols depend on what you're using them for. Shorter for concealability, longer for slightly more range and accuracy, but its not much. Everything comes with a trade-off.
ruclips.net/user/clipUgkxfGkCod8t8KoPbvXITV2K1yKS_s_8bBUe Paul Harrel demonstrates that barrel length for pistols, for the most part, do not really make a difference especially for revolvers that shoot anything bigger than a .357 magnum, because revolver cartridges have far more velocity and energy than most semi-automatic pistol cartridges like 9mm.
Gorgeous pistols! I especially like the early version with longer barrel and front magazine release. The latter would work really well with a modern two handed grip, giving your support hand full control over the magazine release by virtue of natural finger placement, and a very ergonomic downward sweep to remover the magazine all in one motion.
These look like they could be cool replicas. I want one with a 9 inch barrel in 9mm with a 30 round magazine.
These things look very cool. With longer magazines and slightly extended barrels they'd even look like a retro sort of Tec-9.
Shame they fire a proprietary round too. These would be fun in 9mm.
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How could one possibly dislike the nicest gun dude on RUclips?
@@I3urton Yeah he is so lovely. I find a lot gun you tubers obnoxious. But Ian talks about the stuff I care about I.e mechanics and history. And when he's shooting it's in matches hes calm. serious and sometimes cracks a joke not some guy who screams and laughs hysterically becous look how that ( insert item) exploded whoa.
He strikes me as the kind of guy that you could just sit down with over a good glass of bourbon and talk about guns all day long.
You guys have no idea how long I've waited for this.
One of the best rolls in Cowwiener Calico.
Wait, single-action only? You have to ckock the hammer for every single round?
Oh this is a very quirky gun, I love it!
Bergmann complex sounds good.
This gun is also in the game hotdogs, horseshoes, and hand grenades, a vr gun simulator
Love the look of these: They look quite 'front heavy' though.
informative as always Ian, the plural that was going through my mind was simplexii but I like your idea better 👍
Being front heavy actually helps control muzzle climb, so it makes a pistol more accurate.
Nice humor at the end.
Should have called them Simplex A and B. They wouldn't be popular but would pop up from time to time.
Oh man, the Bergmann Complex...can we get that in a Duden or something ?
I dig the aesthetic of these.
Whoa! They had some big pockets back then! 😆
I wonder if any were offered with a shoulder stock since that seemed to be a popular option in that time period.
William Prince So small with such a small round, be pretty useless.
There are thousands of people suffering through their Bergman Complexes... May your graphing calculators never lose power and your Matroids remain linear and your vertexes flat.
That's literally a star wars blaster xD
Now look, i know these are very rare and historical, BUT, buy one, take it apart, write and sketch down the parts, put it back together, make a prototype of it, and give it a switch, stock, and larger mag-
Coolest looking pocket gun by far. Needs a reissue now. Out classed my @ss.
This looks like a pocket Tec-9 :o
What kind of pockets did people have? That’s all catching.
This seems like it'd be terrible compared to something like say, a Colt 1903 Hammerless, or an FN M1900, both smaller, double action guns with fewer snag points.
Great vid as always.
Simplii....More than one of Those is Simplii....Like the Plural of Octopus....It's Worth a TRY Anyway...
I think Wikipedia saves our ass again here: The plural would be "Simplicia" or "Simplizia" or "Simplexe" or "Simplizes"
See en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Simplex
BTW: I watching this during the COVID crisis. At the end I thought than Ian appenrantly has a huge stack of dark humor hidden somwhere that I never saw. Then I realised that the video was uploaded back in 2016 ^^'
Looks like a semi auto revolver conversion
ima need a modern repro in 9mm
You didn't take it apart!!! I feel cheated
Are there any modern production style of this pistol? I really like this style and layout, but it went out of fashion of course.
Not now, though after The Mandalorian was using an early Bergman pistol someone might get motivated to do it. Sticker shock might get you, though, lugerman's reproductions run something like $10k
Anyone else sorta getting a Han Solo vibe from these?
You mean a Mauser C96 vibe?
MarvinRunyon fair point.
Looks like a steam punk style weapon.
Those babies just beg to be dual-wielded.
AMEN
quad wielded, Get 4 and duct tape pairs of them together :P
bergman basically made a pistol that looks like a revolver and a c96 mated....
so sexy.
And they made beautiful babies.
Though in fact, C96 is the offspring.
A Bergmann complex, alright that cracked me up a little :P
Re-watching this post-Mandalorian, little did we know Bergmann-complex would kinda actually become a thing, at least in some circles.
Ian, this may be off topic, but do you like it when people refer to you as "Gun Jesus"?
I can certainly think of worse to be called...
@@ForgottenWeapons i prefer to call you Gun Judas, cause it sounds more obscure.
He was quite flattered by that emem image of him as Gun jesus, holding his book and an HK 416, which was then made into posters.
@@joranvandersluis I'm not sure that's a compliment...
can we all appreciate how much of an example ian is in the gun community. Well thoughout videos on the regular telling the amazing stories of these firearms, and all while being apolitical. He really is the best gun youtuber.
I like the retro-scifi-steampunk-futuristic look of these.
It is interesting and funny how some of these older designs sometimes fit right into the steam punk style.
It's almost like that's what steampunk means!
Jari Heiska Put some odd bits on the frame and a crazy muzzle break and it'd be the perfect backup for Han Solo.
@J. O. apparently Disney's prop department agrees with you, The Mandalorian is packing something that looks like a Bergman #1.
These Bergmans seem to always end up in some galaxy far far away.
they look like tiny baby mauser C96
Hunter Rodrigez more like the schnellfeuer model
Always heard that pockets were larger in those days, looking at the 1903/08 browning hammer less and these bergemann specimens, pockets must have been huge
"If you have more than one, you have a Bergman complex." -NICE!!!
Looks like a tec 9 magazine weld with a snub nose revolver handle/barrel and a mauser C98 receiver slammed together. Dear God if you wanted to go trench raiding at 11:00 AM, lose a western style duel at 12:00PM, and do a drive by at 6:00PM in 1980 this is your gun.
This gun somehow looks more futuristic than even modern day weapons LOL! Looks like a blaster.
What a cute little pistol. It is like a much smaller and much more simplified Mauser C96.
Bergmann complex, ha. Nice one.
Papa Mando got the bigger one. Baby Yoda is strapped with the Simplex.
In math, the plural of simplex is simplexes or simplices.
I would personally call two of them a duplex though.
Also these simplexes look like if somebody made a TEC-9 a century too early. Great video!
Gee, I can only imagine how those magazines would hold up in one of the Mud Tests. Lol
Ironically, i just saw an FN/Browning 1900 in a shop yesterday. The price wasn't too bad, but i didn't look it over. No extra funds right now. Bergmanns are all very interesting. Did no one realize that the gun could be made more compact by feeding through the butt, or did no one care? Maybe they didn't want to do the machining. Too many proprietary cartridges also, none of which lasted. Great video as always. Thank you
These look like they'd be a good base for a Star Wars gun, honestly
Star Wars will probably have a protagonist wield this as a blaster...
Hmm. There must be an unused vertical space to put cartridges on a gun somewhere. No. Can't see one.
I think you have more than one Bergmann complex!
I love them too, although I don´t own one.
Great video!
The Browning .32 Pocket Auto (As it was sold over here) was also a hell of a lot more compact. Which in a Pocket pistol id a rather important thing.
Looks futuristic, like a mini blaster from the Star War movies
Han solo carried a mocked up broom handled mauser. Spielberg is a huge gun collector.
Why you no shot gun!!!!!
You no send me 8x18mm Bergmann ammos!!!!!!
Forgotten Weapons best response *EVER*!
Would be possible to make ammo from similar cartridge or to turned on CNC lathe? Probably too expensive.
Mykola Kramper shoot*
+Mykola Kramper You also have to take into account the fact that these weapons do not belong to Ian. Even if ammo were available, it is very likely that neither the owner or the auction house would want to take any chances with these antiques sustaining damage. Have you found any ammo for it, yet?? :)
Hi Ian, would you ever consider doing a video on the various common types of action, ie blow back, gas operated, short recoil, etc, their general applications and advantages/disadvantages?
I was gonna go with simplices like matrices, but having Bergmann Complex is pretty good too!
If you've exceeded a surfeit of simplexes,
it could be that you may have a surplus of simplexes.
Hello, Ian, I'm with the Play on Words division of the Pun Police, we have a warrant for your arrest.
(also thank you for this great video!)
Did I miss a breakdown of one of these pistols at any point? Photos, whether with a scale or not, would be helpful in making a lookalike operate much closer to an original while far better to be shooting in an easily available chambering!
I really like this design, I'd love to see someone do a modern take on one of these, done properly I could see these being quite hardy pistols.
Great video as always Ian.
Akimbo Simplex AKA Complex :) Liked the outro, Ien, thanks!
Getting steampunk vibes from these guns
I would use one to hunt squirrels.
god i fucking *love* this pistol. i loved it even before the mandalorian. i saw it featured in h3vr and just *fell in love* with it
The Browning might be better, but these are SO much cooler.
Damn those are beautiful handguns. Looks like the Tech-9s older, smaller grandfather.
Those are some serious steampunk sci fi guns right there. Very cool.
what is the length of the barrels? also didn't you mention the magazine is mismatched to the newer gun? doesn't that mean the German proof stamp is meaningless because that's not the magazine for that gun, or did I misunderstand something? also, did they start at serial number 1?
Hey now, that point about the magazine is pretty good..
Matthew Millar The thing on the magazine was not a proof mark, that was just the crest of a factory or town. The proof mark is on the pistol itself.
If you think about it, there would be no reason to have a proof mark on a magazine :)
It did seem strange to me, but that's the way I understood the video. I'll have to watch it again and see what Ian says.
Here are your proof marks:
www.rockislandauction.com/html/dev_cdn/69/1405.jpg
That makes more sense.
Aren't witness holes in the magazine a bad idea because of dust, dirt getting inside the action of the gun itself?
Great grip geometry! Pocket pistol? Pockets were deeper then I guess...🍻
Damian Grouse probably the heavy winter wool coats
I imagine with a selector switch and larger capacity double-stack magazines, they'd make pretty handy pocket sized SMGs, like Mauser Schnellfeuer? Like, for various secret police and the early days' special operations dudes?
"What's wrong? You look a little down."
"I just got back from the doctor..... I... I found out I have Bergmann Simplex."
i had no idea they would be that small, is that a double stack magazine?
A "brace" of Bergmans.
the lines on these are actually fairly pleasant compared to Bergmanns other...styles.
it would be cool to see a Bergmann pistol in a Battlefield 1 DLC. either this or the 1908 or 1910.
Personally i'd much rather have more than 4 primary weapons for each class.
Hm in terms of design I think these are rather beautiful pistols :x
if i look at bergmann/ schmeisser guns, it feels like looking at mysterious enchanted tools of a great sorcerer.
I've never seen this pistol before. I really like the way it looks.
They're beatiful; someone should do a modern version of those with optic fiber sights and in 9x19 and .45ACP.
Herpes simplex? (You'd have to be in medical field to get this joke.)
Or a middle school graduate.
It takes balls to market your pistols with an STD.
at first I thought these were way to big to be "Pocket" guns, but then I remembered these came out in a time when pockets were big enough to carry a thick paper backed bible around.
In a completely different field but related to it, I collect cameras, and recently I acquired a Kodak 1A pocket, and similarly, despite the name, it's huge, thick and heavy.
Pockets sure did change over time ^^
brilliant theory at the end. I've also seem some guns with monograms. If you have an arrangement of two monograms, it's called a diagram!I really love the style of these, so pretty and elegant. If the C96 was a fat old matron, these would be the nubile young ladies. Likewise, probably a lot easier to hand too ;)
I spent years in therapy trying to get rid of my Bergmann Complex.
Those are such beautiful guns.
Never heard of these. They look amazing!
Neat - I always thought that hand-guns (pistols!) with the magazine in front of the trigger looked great (despite the obvious disadvantage of such a placement: The weight pulling the barrel downwards, which you don't have with regular semi-automatics with the magazine being inside of the grip of the gun!)
That extra weight out front actually helps control muzzle climb. This is why many target pistols have the ability to mount muzzle weights.
Actually its better that the magazine is in front of the trigger for quite a few reasons
The weight on the front isn't disadvantageous at all, the magazine in front of the trigger actually reduces muzzle climb, especially if you use magazines with more capacity.
This is why many target pistols have front magazines instead of grip magazines.
A lot of people look down on guns with front magazines but they actually are better than people think, they just didn't get much attention because the 1911 was one of the progenitors of pistols having the magazine in the grip.
So guns like the c96 and the bergmann-bayard models just went out of style. I'd love to see their style come back.
Also, if you wanted to, you could modify the gun to take longer cartridges because there's more room as opposed to the magazine being in the grip which severely limits how long cartridges can be unless you want the gun to be really blocky.
looks like the sorta gun youd use to rush B back in the 1900s
Ian, Simplex is its own plural.
these are so cool. wish they made intersting guns like this now.
Simplexes is correct, since it's a name. If Matrix was a name, the correct form would be Matrixes, not Matrices.
Dimetropteryx Exactly correct. The usual rules do not apply to a proper noun.
Pistols is the correct plural. One Simplex pistol, two Simplex pistols. But that's not as much fun as making a joke.
Yeah, but which of the Matrixes was your favorite?
@@DH-xw6jp The first one, Dark City. Actually, I'd say my favorite Matrix is John.
.... you could get extended mags and they failed? How? These are cooler looking than any gun on the market.
@6:31 Spellcheck says the correct plural of simplex, is... *"simplexes."* Interesting...
sim·plex | \ ˈsim-ˌpleks \
1: SIMPLE, SINGLE
2: allowing telecommunication in only one directiona simplex system
noun
*plural simplexes*
Definition of (Entry 2 of 2)
1or plural simplices\ ˈsim-plə-ˌsēz \ or simplicia\ sim-ˈpli-sh(ē-)ə \ : a simple word
2: a spatial configuration of dimensions determined by + 1 points in a space of dimension equal to or greater than a triangle together with its interior determined by its three vertices is a two-dimensional simplex in the plane or any space of higher dimension
First Known Use of simplex
Adjective
14th century, in the meaning defined at sense 1
*Noun*
*1890, in the meaning defined at sense 1*
History and Etymology for simplex
Adjective
Latin simplic-, simplex - more at SIMPLE