@@kirekocev2587 im suck on windows as my parents think linux is easier to install viruses and they wouldnt listen to me so i use the rpi5 as my secondary linux machine
My school used Linux, not just the schools, every government organisation uses Linux here, and they give a Linux laptop installed with a customised Ubuntu for every student and government employee, it's helped a lot with the popularity of Linux in my state, almost everybody is aware of Linux here. It happened mostly due to a moment in the 2000s where a bunch of free software foundation members convinced the government to use Linux, now the government also has a dedicated department to contribute to open source and develop tools
The problem isn't with Linux, it's with companies that don't release compitable versions for their software (even on wine). I heard of so much people just saying that their favorite adobe software / game doesn't work, and it's mainly a problem with anti-cheats.
Companies can't release closed source versions of their software on Linux. Well, they can, but it won't work for very long. Because API compatibility isn't a thing in Linux. We throw the baby out with the bathwater regularly. When code is open source it's not important. It can get modified and recompiled and then it works again. Closed source is locked into the time it was built. When the ground shifts under those binary programs then they sink.
@@1pcfred then how do all these non open source apps exist on Linux? such as google chrome, davinci resolve, skype, vmware workstation, various VPNs, etc.
@@1pcfred companies absolutely can release closed source applications and keep them functional if they're testing their releases on the platforms they're releasing them on.
I think one of the problems with Linux growth as a Desktop is the... what is it called? "Chicken and Egg problem"? Developers/Companies keep saying that they wish to port their apps to Linux but always keeps saying that Linux isn't big enough, but then at the same time if all of these apps were on Linux it will skyrocket Linux Growth. A lot of the times it feels like just them making excuses or are just waiting for somebody else to take the leap. An example of a Company that does this is Epic games with Fortnite.
It's also cause most people buy laptops, and with just a few exceptions, most laptops come with Windows. We have to remember that most people never install an OS themselves, otherwise everyone would choose Linux, since the experience of installing Windows is always a complete nightmare. The situation is more like, developers don't usually develop for it cause there's few users, manufacturers have no incentive cause there's few people using, and they don't wanna deal with people complaining to support that the apps they use don't run on the laptops, and Microsoft has a lot of economic power (monopolistic power) to keep their OS on top even if they make the crappiest OS ever
@@WolfiiDog13Windows is easy to install, IDK which problem you could get unless it's caused by the user or a bug, as for Linux, it depends on the distro, which also worked well when I installed various distros in Virtualbox, maybe it depends on the user's knowledge but I'm not sure about it.
@@Rullino32older windows user here. Driver issues can get nuts when doing a clean install. Linux hang ups mainly seemed to be wireless cards til wrappers became a thing and then GPU's. Currently it's just nvidia. Maybe arc til later.
2:55 I know why they dropped it, Sony said "Due to security concerns" since players could modify how the PS3 could work online from Linux with GeoHots Root key that got him into legal water and is no longer allowed to own any Sony device ever again. It allowed for self-signing of executables. So anything would be able to run without needing a "jailbreak". He even has a website that shames Sony for suing him that's still up.
If linux is going to become popular with the average user then it absolutely needs to be possible/easy to do 100% of daily tasks without ever going into the terminal.
thats a very surface level statement what should happen instead, is make it so that all stuff possible on windows without a terminal should be possible on linux without terminal (linux is already basically there) replacing all of linux's terminal is quite frankly impossible and just really not productive. terminal is ridiculously powerful and flexible
@@Dr_McKay "only that everything should be possible without going into it." if its everything, then whats left? also, theres some things that are possible only _because_ its the terminal
@@RenderingUser Are you unfamiliar with the concept of having multiple ways of doing things? Keep the terminal for more experienced users but don't be expecting average non tech savvy users to go into it.
To me, the primary reason why Windows is on most PCs is because they got their foot in the door with OEMs to make sure their OS was installed on computers that were sold to the public. They practically have a monopoly on it, so of course it's on most computers.
No. It's because installation of ANY application is f. easy and takes minutes. On linux still too many applications require installation via terminal (ProtonVPN, DaVinci, etc.), some apps crash because of lack of dependencies or just because.
@@pantarei. Why would installing via terminal cause a problem for the manufacturer? I would expect it to make it easier for them to install the full suite of software seeing as they could just write a script to just do it automatically. Nevermind that the ISO for more common distributions typically comes with plenty of non-essential software.
Gnu/Linux oem installs have been a thing for 2 decades but haven't done shit. Same thing with the netbooks before windows 7 came along. Most Linux users get amnesia because it's easier to say we don't have users because of preinstalls than telling themselves to improve the ux by getting actual ui/UX designers to make a better product
@@famousmwofficial8046 Oh really? On most PCs? I don't think so - most people don't even know Linux exists at all, so I don't know what universe you're living in.
Thanks for discussing this topic! I'm a long time Linux user and I like when creators outside the Linux world discuss how Linux could succeed... this feels like a lot of people are rooting for Linux to succeed, even people who are not Linux users... and this makes me happy
If people want Linux to succed. Then make the default look GNOME and kde prettier. No sane person would wasting hours of their time to customize GNOME.
They could actually make a good desktop os off the ps as they could make the ps vaio or something like that and it will be a PC but have access to all your PlayStation games
A lot of basic stuff is still difficult or impossible to do in Linux. Want to undervolt GPU? Windows: just adjust sliders in MSI Afterburner. In Linux: tinker with command line apps, parameters, config files and scripts. Linux apps need more GUI.
Btw is he a CEO or a PR man of Surfshark or something like that? Does he even work for Surfshark or it just pays him a lot of money for being a sponsor in every single video?
@@notCAMD4mo late but this guy does work for surfshark - this channel used to post surfshark tutorials but they brought in this dude and it skyrocketed. shifted the tutorials to their other surfshark channel and this channel is just pc/tech content under the surfshark name
How? Well, finish up the whole stack of GNU + Linux + system-d + Mesa + Pipewire + Wayland + Portals + KDE/GNOME + Flatpak/Snaps so that people can use it as easily as they can Windows and Android. Then, we just need time until Microsoft mess up enough time until we got to the point where there's enough users that application developers and manufacturers sees value in supporting us. We need that strong base and then we need to hit critical mass with Microsoft's help.
The problem is there are major Linux organizations, the problem is the vast majority of them are focused on enterprise and servers. The Linux desktop simply isnt profitable so why would anyone advertise it?
Realistically, Linux only needs four things: 1. **Core OS:** The main backbone of the OS. If you want to change the layout, the graphics style, the plugins, etc., you're welcome to do it. 2. **Core App Store:** This is where all apps go and where you download all apps. You can choose the style of app-flatpack, instant install pack, or whatever. 3. **A very good advertisement.** 4. **Decent user privilege system:** Plug and play. Click, click, click. No command line required. With a root OS and a root store, anyone would be able to use Linux. From there, if you want to do a distro edit, go right ahead. You want to put in a different store? Go ahead! You want to go back to the command line and change everything? Go ahead. But the root OS and the root store have to be standardized. Every single OS has to fundamentally flow through the core, which must be easy to install and easy to navigate by default. If you can navigate like Windows and buy applications like Android, Linux could actually take a dominant path. At most, you would have a system that boots up and asks what style you want: gaming, editing, surfing, business, security. And you'd get the appropriate system with no need to figure out distros. As for your Windows computer, it's not useless in 2025. If it still does the job, it works. If you can still run the game, it works. If you can still run the program, it works. If you can still surf the web, it definitely works. So stop fear mongering.
Core OS: The Linux Kernel Core Appstore: Needed work A very good advertisement: Needed work... and money. Decent user privilege system: PAM (Pluggable Authentication Modules). The same thing on MacOS where it prompts you for your password or fingerprint on a GUI. Needed better support for bio-metrics tough.
"Core OS" is seemingly based on the misconception that there are different distros for different purposes; which is not true. The only difference betweed linux distros is configuration (mostly for branding), pre-installed software and the package manager. However, they almost all use the same core utilities and Linux (the kernel), so they are entirely compatibleb you can do whatever you want with any linux distro, and the one you should pick is the one that looks the prettiest.
@@tulenich9948 * The one that looks prettiest, the most intuitive to you, and with stable enough software (this is subjective. some might say beta is stable enough) and great support.
@@tulenich9948 well for me, there are no Linux that tick all of the box, so I had to create my custom Linux distro based on Nix. I have my specialized workflow to unlock my full potential.
Windows has made using computers boring and a chore, and why people don't enjoy doing anything on them other than gaming. Just using computers and doing things on them can be fun by itself, that is why most computer hobbyists have moved over to Linux.
Nobody should or will dictate how i use my PC. Not Microsoft Nor Apple offers me the freedom to use my PC as i want to. Thats What Linux IS about for me.
Welcome to the simplify of gnome software, most Linux distros have a nice Desktop Environment installed, there usually is a good and simple to use software store there too. The beauty of Linux if you don’t like one DE, you have the power to simply install another
Actually, in China some schools starts to teach students to use UOS or UbuntuKylin, which are Linux distros developed by Chinese companies. In Chinese junior high school computer classes, students use WPS (although it is very awful) because it's made by Chinese company. So it's not very long till students in China use Linux distros as their main operating systems.
Actually no, that's just USA. In Poland where I live it's mostly windows BUT i have a few friends that had Linux on theirs PCs. Here it's very rare to find someone actually using a chromebook
ChromeOS is based on Gentoo and if you want you can press Ctrl+Alt+"any F-key" to switch virtual terminals and use "Portage" the package manager of gentoo but you need to enable root in the settings if you want to do more than playing around...
Our computer engineering classes have GNU/Linux as part of the course (at least they did in our highschool) because of the fact that many people who took the course (myself included) would be going into a field in IT. They also allowed students (myself included) to run GNU/Linux on their own personal devices and would tailor software that works on all three big platforms.
One of my IT teachers somehow was allowed to have a full computer lab running Linux in high school. Can still remember playing Kolf with others in morning home group.
Here in Germany my school used Linux Mint until the city came to the school and forced it to use Windows 10. Downgrade in programming experience for that class.
Turn it into windows, no seriously if you want it to be adopted massivly then you have to make it work like windows, seamless, plug & play and easily understood by an end user, remember end users are pretty fucking dumb i would know i am one
The terminal needs to go. We are not IT Linux nerds who get off on the terminal. Windows just works out of the box, but with Linux you must use the terminal because the IT Linux nerds love it. We are users, not developers. What if Windows demanded everyone go into the terminal to get anything done? That is what Linux does.
@@thesilentgeneration youve never gotten microsoft support have you? their model is run a disguised terminal called run, and alot of times will drop you back off to command prompt which is again terminal. And you have never touched linux clearly... terminal isnt commonly used because nerds love it, its because its one of the only way to consistently perform tasks when we have many different desktop environments, file managers, and the gui is not consistent among all distros. Imagine if windows and mac both could do the same exact tasks in a terminal but you ask for help and they only gave instructions for doing something based off mac gui when u asked for help on windows and the only person who knew how to help you was a mac user so there is no option of gui based help on your flavor. Thats the problem linux faces and why terminal is goto. It has an added benefit that even if gui was available for whatever ans a person could help on your specific layout, you can just copy paste a few commands... the alternative of a copy paste fix is multiple paragraphs to describe going through 50 different fekin windows as is common for 'how to fix for idiots' guides on windows.
@@thesilentgenerationLinux don’t require terminal for regular everyday use. As for the troubleshooting or advanced things terminal is much more comfortable than editing registry or clicking through 63193 windows on Windows.
Linux will become popular when installing and uninstalling software cleanly without breaking the whole operating system necessitating a reinstallation of the OS, becomes easy. When a "daily update" fails half-way leaving thousands of unfinished odds-and-ends for the user to figure out how to clean up to attempt another install cleanly (and successfully) stops being a common problem, and becomes an uncommon problem. When the dependency-hell problem across distros is solved. Most importantly, when graphics drivers support ALL GPU hardware features and WORKS and WELL, not just "can/might work, with this version, that version, must use old release for support/can't use newest release, downgrade kernel, downgrade python, COMPILE IT YOURSELF!?", etc. Most notably, right now OpenCL isn't there yet, and ROCm is only for the very very few. etc. Linux just isn't usable as a "Desktop" unless you're very advanced and have lots of patience. Even if all you do is watch youtube, if you don't install advanced features of the Mesa drivers, you don't get hardware decoding on your HD videos; that means that RUclips is laggy if you're not technically capable of using the advanced driver installations. On Windows, it's just "next next next finish" and if it fails you just click the install file again, and usually it fixes it for you; they include their own uninstaller, and you have a system uninstaller; it uninstalls it "cleanly". Linux doesn't do that. On Linux, each distro has a ton of different ways to install the same application/driver, and between distros it's even more absurd, and frankly, there's too many choices; you almost always feel like you installed something suboptimal, or suboptimally. A "properly configured" linux is great. But it takes way too much effort to get it there for the average user.
What absolute FUD. You clearly don't use Linux and so shouldn't really be commenting on it. Installing and uninstalling software in Linux is far cleaner than windows. Lots of crap gets left behind when you uninstall software in Windows. I've never had a 'daily update', as you ignorantly call it, break halfway through. They just work, they keep your OS up to date and they take seconds rather that the half an hour that a Windows update can often take. And I think you'll find there are plenty of reports in the press about windows updates breaking things (VPNs???). Maybe you haven't used a recent Linux distribution? There are many now and an awful lot of them work perfectly. By all means stay on Windows and enjoy your experience but please don't spread misinformation rubbish like you are.
@@Skelterbane69 Just yesterday the daily Mesa graphics driver update failed half-way through installing and I needed to reinstall my desktop environment to recover it(it would only load the terminal and start x would only load a shell emulator). GTAV just froze the whole computer unrecoverably, and after a restart, the machine wouldn't work; the OS totally broke over common usage... This shouldn't have happened, and recovery should have been automatic. Most people would have needed to reinstall the OS to fix this. I almost had to, but I stumbled upon the solution. There's no easy way to diagnose or determine the solution to most of the problems that Linux has, either.
@@chrismurphy2769I think you are doing something wrong with your distro, all the things you said work out of the box on majors distros meant for Desktop use like Fedora on SUPPORTED hardware. At least on Team Red the experience has been smooth sailing for me on my desktop, laptop and handheld. Now if your hardware has special quirks not well supported I could understand but it sounds like you messed a bit too much with your distro.
I used to format and setup computers, and I always installed windows. Now I mostly install Linux Mint. It's just easier and it works for years without problems. Most people just use the browser for everything.
I think the best way to tackle it is making a Linux for beginner. Basically, it would be a collaborative effort between possibly multiple distributions. Making their transition smoother like adding in a cheat sheet when you open up the terminal. That'll update depending on what you're typing and even Auto-Fill the top option for you. Like Minecraft Command System. Ease of dual booting. Like it just does it for you. If you don't uncheck the box. Automatic backups so the user can easily revert if they make a mistake. Basically have a lot of the operating system to stuff automatically like Windows. Once they're in, they can slowly transition to the other OSes based on what they need to be. Most users might not even switch off of it since just most users use basic web browsing.
"Ease of dual booting. Like it just does it for you. If you don't uncheck the box." that isn't that easy. you need to shrink the existing partition size, which basically shrinks the "drive c" size, and there is a risk of data corruption. It's just impossible. EDIT: also automatic backups take a lot of disk space AND there are infinite tools for that. there are many cheat sheets already available, but i think showing it when you first open the terminal isn't too bad of an idea, just for stuff like mint tho.
@@progCan Not 100% impossible just unlikely windows doesn't like its partition messed with. And backing up system files doesn't take up as much space as you think it would especially on small and more optimize distributions. I'm just saying there should be one stop shop on transition tools but not being the best for everything. The entire idea is to pick somebody very unfamiliar with linux and give them a distribution that they can "work" with at any level.
My least favourite thing about linux is it doesn't let me mod proton games. I drag mods into a mod folder and it's not recognized because apparently it has a shitty case-sensitive file system so it just ignores it.
Actually all the distros remind me of android. There's Pixel UI, One Ui, HyperOs, ColorOs, and stock. What if treat pcs the same way? Dell runs Ubuntu, HP runs Mint, Asus runs Arch, and Windows can just make their own hardware(which they already do). New companies can even make pre-installed Linux pcs with their own skins similar to Android.
Hell no. Consistency is good. We don't need 55 fucking macOS type OSes. Part of the appeal of the PC was that you didn't have 5928939853 platforms, things are consistent between brand.
What linux needs is an installation wizard that does all the tinkering necessary to make things work. Installing linux, and every program, distro, package manager, etc, for linux should be no harder than using ninite. If you did that, linux would double in market share over night.
i studied CS at Texas A&M, and while the lab computers did run windows we were often required to ssh into Linux to compile and run our programs i don't think i ever saw a Linux DE in my time there
I honestly think making a Taskbar Search bar on the desktop that says "Search Programs", you type in a program, it showed you a very brief picture/description of the program you typed in, even better an option for one click install, and you click enter and installs it. No terminal, no store, if it suggests a Windows program, give the user an alt or a way to run said program "wine" and install wine/use.
The larger Linux desktops already do this by default. Both GNOME and KDE Plasma let you search for programs to install in their respective search bars.
Windows user since Windows 3.1. 1)Ease of use. You can get guidance from everywhere, your friends, neighbors, any computer shop/ store you enter. 2) Mostly all business houses use Microsoft Office, professional accounting software only runs on Windows. People prefer to learn Windows & other industry standard software to earn money. 3) Easy to use GUI tools for anything you want to do. Linux people should stop call Windows users as dumb, lazy loaths etc. They are doctors, engineers, accountants etc, expert in their fields. Not knowing any certain things about computer is not a problem. Linux people should focus on GUI tools. Everybody is not expert in computer programming to understand command line. Most people are only app users. If everything can be done on Android & Chrome OS using GUI, both base on Linux kernel, why couldn't it be done on Linux? They should forget about nostalgia about CLI.
Finally someone says it spot on. Im still on windows because there is NO alternative in usability and ease of use. And calling us lazy because we do not want to use our pcs like its 1970 id not going to make us switch.its not about OD, its ideology.
@@roklaca3138 "And calling us lazy because we do not want to use our pcs like its 1970" I understand y'all like Windows but why spread hyperboles like this about Linux?
"1)Ease of use. You can get guidance from everywhere, your friends, neighbors, any computer shop/ store you enter." Linux is BEYOND documented "2) Mostly all business houses use Microsoft Office, professional accounting software only runs on Windows. People prefer to learn Windows & other industry standard software to earn money." same goes for Linux, art design, engineering and programming are big money earners on Linux "3) Easy to use GUI tools for anything you want to do." I haven't used the terminal in literal years and when I did it was because i wanted to try an easter egg, you don't need it I understand y'all like Windows but why tf do y'all like to run us through the mud? Linux is amazing for those who need it and we just want to make it reach its proper audience. But you guys just love spreading hate and misinformation about it and that drives away people. Linux can be absolutely used by sheer noobs and advanced users alike, use windows if you want but don't throw pointless shade at us.
@@mihairomulus2488 I don't want to spread hate. These are suggestions to make Linux everybody's OS like Windows & MacOS. I use Linux on one of my laptops.
From a perspective of a Windows Super User, I will say this, nothing that you said on this video matters to me, but when I open the contraparte Explorer on Linux and I see, Var, Etc, Bin, etc... The first thing that came to my mind is, I am not a Programmer, this isn't friendly, I am out of here. When a God Programmer with a help on an Super AI has the bravery to Rename all the main folders on Linux I really think things will change.
Yeah Linux folders can be confusing and nothing seems to make much sense. I just learn by doing that for some strange reason this file is in this strange folder.
@Ajarylee-qh9ln The fanbase of Linux is annoying, people cannot say anything bare negative to Linux... People always have a right answer to fight the ones argument. I was expecting this, because of this I said as A SUPER USER Windows user, I don't use, I create things, work on many apps and folders. If I was only a user, I probably be using Linux.
Honestly, i would have switched to linux if it was more gui oriented, and had a quality of life improvements of at least windows 10. But as it currently stands, at the first problem you'll encounter - you'll be sent straight to the terminal. And the only desktop environment that even comes close to level of polish of windows 10 still has a long way to go. But you know, it doesn't have to be. Just look at Android, it looks nice, works fast, easy to use and does not require terminal witchcraft, has plenty of software and so on. There's definitely something to learn from it's success.
We use a terminal interface for administration because it is the simplest and most effective method that exists. When you encounter problems in Linux you can actually fix said problems. Instead of just staring at a blue screen of death with no recourse available to you.
@@octopusonfire100 Funny enough you're right 🤣. Actually preferred it to using windows 7 on my laptop, cause it was running so much better, and looked so nice and cozy. I was kind of amazed the first time i tried it. But now i don't feel the same kind of wonder when i use it now, like current distros, you know? I just want to be excited about linux again.
"Quality of life improvements"?! I find the quality of my life and mental state deteriorate rapidly when I have to use Windows. I think you underestimate the power of a CLI to get things done, especially when it's lots of repetitive things. GUIs have their place and are obviously useful. And I think you'll find all modern Linux desktop distributions have GUIs. And for the average user you can do everything in that GUI. It's just they also have incredibly powerful command line interfaces as well.
As someone who is trying to enter linux, the problem is also most linux user/dev only see two kind of pc user, the passionate who are more than happy to tweak and understand everything and the people who only a web browser and ms office. They completly ignore everything in the middle, people who want to do a lot of thing on pc (usualy with a graphical interface yes) want some degree of control similar way both in possibility and simplicity to what you have on windows but they do not want to spend their time learning everything in detail. And i can feel that every time i go back to a distro, a forum or a yt tutorial. post scriptum= an example, the fact you can't install in easy maner software were you want. Yes for you maybe your fine with it, but me, i am not, for me and many other user, that not a transition but a sacrifice. It's possible to do that on linux user wise, it just not easy, while on the two most important desktop os, it's almost as easy as launching your browser. It could be made easy for user on linux, but it's in conflict with some local "philosophy" so they do not make it easy. If you want people moving from linux to windows, making it as seamless as possible should be a priority, wich mean accepting to make accessible thing you personally as, an individual do not appreciate but most will. Particulary when this one do not make any moral compromise
I don’t think Linux needs only one distro but I think it needs only one default distro. One that anyone and their mother could point you toward if you wanted to start using Linux. Because for windows everyone will point you to windows 10/11 more towards 11 because of the time issue but still. And with Mac no one even has to say anything, you just get a Mac
The problem with linux for many people is that you usually can't just put an installer for a program on usb and install it on other machine without internet. Snaps or appimages? They don't run on every distro and have their drawbacks Flatpacks? They are pretty universal. But average user can't make use of them being universal. Also dependencies? Package manager or deb files? Good luck with dependencies. So on my opinion as an average user who learned how to use linux and uses it now, the main problem - is the way software is installed. You heavily depend on internet to solve all dependencies or you must know well what depends on what libs or you must carry the whole freaking repository on your drive (and even then it's not 1 click install). And yes, I do know all the way to solve it but it is still inconvenient for average user. Otherwise linux would be (and still is) a great solution for "install it and all needed software on granny's PC so she could browse internet, videos, photos, office and use video chat, and then forget about it. Granny wouldn't be able to even tell a difference". Problems arise when said granny or you need to install something on her pc from a usb drive or without the internet
I mean a lot of apps that I use (For example Blender) is able to be downloaded as an Archive that you can unpack and then just double click a .Desktop file, I have quite a few of these and the only problem I see is people wanting to put them in the start menu without knowing how. Like I get your point but a lot of Linux apps have an archived "Universal" version that you can download, though a lot of them have a .sh file so you do need to tell people that .sh can be launched like .exe. I don't specifically look for them though just because the potential security risk of having a "Outdated" libraries, but that's just me being paranoid considering most of these you can download straight from git.
@@Seraph_1_A So you can double click a .desktop file? When I do it it just opens up Text Editor (on Ubuntu 24.04) and I didn't manage to figure out how to solve it after looking it up online... Ultimately decided it's easier to just ./app.desktop in terminal to run the program lol
@@Pixiuchu I Usually right click and then Execute it from there, The text editor is usually the default for double click but it can be changed, as for how to do that you have to check with your Desktop Environment.
The main reason I cant use linux is the unavailability of apps that I use in windows, if those apps come to windows tomorrow I will switch to linux immediately
Adobe suite? Because there isn't much out there that can't run on WINE. That being said the only windows stuff i run through WINE is legacy software and a few games.
Most Windows apps will run on Linux via wine, and games via Steam (and Proton). However, not everything works flawlessly. You really need to go in with the mindset that you're willing to put up with subpar drivers (for newer hardware) and not all games and apps work flawlessly. I use Linux more than Windows for software development, but I run Linux in VMware.
As a longtime user of Linux, I believe Immutable distros are the future for everyday normal people. SteamOS is a good example, I've also switched my desktop over to Bazzite which is an immutable Fedora based distro. Flatpaks solve the issue of fragmentation, which distro to target when developing apps, and dependency issues. When Valve releases SteamOS as a general purpose distro I believe that will be the "default" linux distro for people to use.
I feel like if there was a commercial incentive to support Linux (such as Valve with the Steam Deck), Linux would be on par in terms of hardware/software support when it comes to Windows within a year or two. Currently there's little to no incentive for big companies to support Linux since it's not worth it commercially.
@@_DT_ Yes, this is also part of the problem with just saying Linux when you're actually talking about Linux on the desktop. Linux has plenty of commercial incentive to support it. After all, I remember seeing a stat a few years back that 80% (I think now possibly higher) of all web servers run Linux. And the most used OS in the world is Android which uses the Linux kernel and even iOS is based on MacOS which is UNIX like. Linux could easily dominate on the desktop if a single manufacturer created a completely closed/controlled environment that used it (like Android). But due to the open nature of the Linux desktop world that's very unlikely to happen.
You nailed it - 1. Gaming. That's it. Gaming is huge, the industry is bigger than film, music, television combine. Make Linux a compelling gaming platform and the rest follows. (Also remember that Android is linux, it's a great easy to use reliable personal computing experience, so is ChromeOS - these are the clues on how to get user acceptance)
I was trying to use linux but i changed my mind after i found that installing nvidia driver is: first: strange and confusing way to do to me (linux should have an executable file to run and that's it) second: screwed up my display settings after installing some things that i assumed they were the ones to install. My point is: The day linux make installations in windows way (just double clic and voila) then i will go for it forever. Thanks for the video.
You know what the extension for the Nvidia binary installer file is? .run But you really shouldn't be using that. You can. But maintaining it on your own is a hassle no one really needs. Your best bet is to install the driver through your distro's package manager and let your distro maintain it. There are GUI package manager front ends where you can simply click on things. I don't use them because I find GUIs to be clunky. GUIs really don't scale too well. Having 30,000 things on a menu would be ah, not good. If you want voilà then you need to learn command line incantations. That's the real magic.
@@tech.curiosity yeah you and me both. There's always more to learn. The Nvidia dev team got me running their driver. When they first released the driver some of them went on IRC and were personally helping us get it to work. It was very new so no one knew. It had to be done the hardest way possible then too. Because there were no distro packages yet. You couldn't even Google how to do it. Google didn't even exist.
Linux software usually comes from repositories. I don't have to search web for "exe" that may contain virus. All software updated automatically - both system and user software. Apple, Google and Microsoft mimic this approach in software stores. I use Intel iGPU and it just works, I've heard same about AMD graphics. NVIDIA support is not there yet but it improves.
@@sergeykish there's software in repositories but that's not where software comes from. Just like they don't grow food in grocery stores. It's just where you get it from. Nvidia supported Linux far earlier than either AMD or Intel did. Nvidia were the first PC hardware manufacturers of any note to ever support Linux. DEC were the first manufacturers but they didn't make PC hardware. They gave Linus an Alpha to get Linux to run on. Which is not nothing but it's hardly like they did the work either. They got a whole OS for the price of one machine. Which was a shrewd move on their part. If they hired someone they'd have had to pay them give them a machine too.
The issue is, windows is more userfriendly to just boot and browsing. Then all standard laptops come with it, we are creatures of habbit. I mean how many people use the standard browser.. Only if Linux would bring a definit benefit to the user, they would switch and for 99% it just doesn’t.. It’s for most things done on the pc just as good as windows and in some cases worse.. I’m not hating on Linux I love the movement.
can we just acknowledge that that 4% number is most likely too small than the actual number? yk due to ppl refusing to let websites grab data like this?
My school uses both Windows 10 and iPadOS 17 on their Computers. I myself am an iPadOS user and also own macOS and Windows devices. I always wanted to try to use Linux just never found the time and mood for taking my time to try switching. But maybe I will do it someday.
I've switched to Linux recently. The only thing I dislike is that I pretty often bump into compatability issues or errors which I have to fix through terminal with weird commands which I have to search up on random forums. My distro isn't that popular and pretty weird in it's own way which makes it harder to apply general solutions which are meant for Debian/Ubuntu users
We had eMac in elementary school, as time went on it was switched to iMacs. When I was in High School we all used iPads for school work, research, lectures, textbooks and tests. My media and creation classes used Mac Pros...
like what? do you mean gnu and/or the linux kernel itself updates? that doesn't make any sense, it's not like they can just drop a huge update that makes everything easier to use, because it's impossible. linux itself is just super basic stuff, absolutely necessary for the system to function. you probably mean an update on some distro.
5:23 I remember when I was in my primary school, we had a computer lab that had 10-12 PCs, and they were all running on Ubuntu Unity (I don't remember which version, but it had things like typing games and all study-related stuff). The most important thing is that I'm from a little village in Gujarat, which is located in India, and the funny thing is that even teachers don't know how to use it 🤣😅. btw right now I'm using Fedora.
I have a Steam Deck and I ordered a Linux tablet, in the past, I put Linux Mint on a usb thumb drive and booted my laptop into it that way, it prolonged the life of that laptop a little
There are a few things that annoys me on Linux when compared to Windows. Portable apps is one of those. With Windows, i can just copy the exe on a thumb drive and execute and even when some dependence is missing (most of time, it's just a DLL), i can just copy to the folder of the executable and it will run. On Linux, I couldn't figure out a way to do that and it must be a "download executable & run" solution, otherwise Windows is still ahead. There is also hardware compatibility, like backlight keyboards, fan control and power control for laptops, which ... Isn't straight forward and takes a lot of extra time to deploy. Abd even the solutions I got are subpar, like the keyboard backlight returning to a default after reboot instead of remembering what was the last state. Gaming on Linux is getting better, but it is still lagging behind. Even retro gaming still require more steps to run on Linux. VM is a possible solution I'm certain cases, but it is still not something the end user will be doing. Aside from those annoyances, I noticed that Linux Mint is a great option to ressuct older machines and even something running a mobile T8100 duo core with 4GB DDR2 memory will go from stuck in useless Vista to fully operational web browsing. Another thing I've been doing is to slowly build a new software library and workflow that is compatible with Linux, so I can ditch Windows, but I'm still stuck with Windows fir gaming with my friends, who will be playing stuck from Microsoft store like MS Flight Simulator. I guess ill be only free from Windows once someone manage to sneak MS store/XBOX into Linux.
It is entirely possible to install libraries into Linux. You can even query a binary to see what libraries it depends on. $ objdump -p `which bash` | grep NEEDED As far as your persistence issues with settings goes you can store those in startup scripts. Those are you problems you need to create solutions for. The rest of us don't want your baggage. Windows trying to be everything for everyone is what makes it such a mess.
@@1pcfred I'm... Not entirely sure if you missed the point when it comes to libraries and dependencies. Installing anything in the host automatically makes the software solution not portable or contained for better compatibility. This may add some bloat perhaps, but in some instances, the user may require portability, instantaneous execution and reliability. Believe me, there are some very interesting uses for that and I want to find an analog solution for Linux. I guess the closest hint I got so far was Appimg, but I couldn't get it to work yet. Usually I do not have much time to put into these side projects, but it would be nice since I do believe a few of my clients could use the extra performance I often get from older machines on Mint. Not even mentioning the "surprises" the intrusive Windows Update may bring that are not present on Linux. But for the meanwhile, better to keep them on Win 10, even after support drops. There is plenty of time yet. About start up scripts, you are right about it, although it clearly shows the lackluster state of Linux support for hardware. There are lots of efforts to improve that, but it is still held by "duct tape and good wishes". Now assuming "nobody wants your baggage", I'm not entirely sure about this assessment, but to each one their own bubble, mate. I do believe there are some real business opportunities for developing solutions for popular hardware or at least be aware of some standards to be able to recommend hardware that's more likely to be supported on Linux. I also believe that, if folks want Linux to be popular, folks must target kids with games and stuff to get them familiarized with Linux operation, workarounds and limitations. It's super hard to change old habits on adults. I can say that because I'm struggling a bit with the oddities of Linux and some technicalities I take for granted on Windows. At least, I'm not that intimidated by CLI due to how much time I spent in MS-DOS back in the 90-2000s and later with some Linux Mint and Damn Small Linux in 2013 in my free time, but folks who got into computing during WinXP... Those will have a hard time with CLI. 😂 Best regards, random Black Cat on the internet.
@@BlackCatRedScarf when you introduce inefficiencies you lose performance. There's no may about bloat either. If every binary needs its own libraries that's an exponential increase of files. According to ldd my browser has 119 library dependencies. Although objdump says it only needs 56. Either way it's a lot.
Seems like you'd love appimages. Download it, right click, make exectuable, double click, done. Put it anywhere you want. Basically the same as an exe.
Linux offers portable application in the form of app images now. Also you should be able to just launch applications by clicking on them in Linux, but you first need to change their permissions to tell Linux you want to run the application as an executable, otherwise Linux will just attempt to open everything in a text editor because the only real difference between a text file and an executable is how your computer initializes it.
I'm a Windows user that decided to try Zorin OS. I've tried different distros before but with Windows 11 on the horizon, I really wanted to try to daily drive Linux. I installed Zorin.. 3 times and it finally finished the install on the third attempt. The first 2 failed. My Shure MV7 mic and Bose QC Ultra headphones worked (occasionally) it was like Zorin couldn't remember the settings. (And yes it was actually installed, I manually partitioned and everything) Then I tried Mint. Headphones and Mic didn't work at all. Then I tried Ubuntu. Headphones and mic worked flawlessly during live USB boot, but then installing Ubuntu gave me a white screen that was like "oh no, something went wrong" every time I logged in. Reinstalled ubuntu twice. Tried every command I could find in every forum. Reinstalled gnome from terminal via dropping to shell in recovery. Same thing. Tried Installing last LTS. Was able to get to the desktop. But mic and headphones weren't even recognized. Linux will never gain popularity until this out of the box experience becomes better.
Linux is advertised just because it's not Windows, not because it's functionally better than Windows. If I simply disable the telemetry and remove the bloatware from Windows, Linux suddenly has no reason to be considered by me.
Well, I mean, ChromeOS, which is based off Gentoo Linux, is widely used in schools, so that's one thing that could have gotten Linux to its 4% market share level. 🤷🏻♂️
@@snappy726I remember following the omgubuntu tutorial on installing chrome os DE on Ubuntu. You can actually do that yet people want to hate on chrome os
Discord works ok on X11, wayland however is awful (or you can use custom discord client like webcord) Also it depends on the distro honestly. Most distros like ubuntu or mint have good hardware support. And for MS office, have you ever heard of wine? You can run Word, Excel, and Powerpoint without an issue on it.
@@Sezamndiscord works perfectly for me with screen sharing audio in wayland with vencord. And btw libre office is a great alternative and an even greater alternative is using MS office in the browser
@@Deftera Hummm, What is Vencord? I was unable to share audio in Discord. It was real pain. And yeah I know LibreOffice is good, but some of my Excel files and PowerPoint files didn't work well with it. I tried it in Linux Mint. So I tried WPS Office, it had good format support but the Linux version was too buggy for me, crashed too many times. I think I'll just wait another year before trying Linux again. By that time it will get even better and I hope software developers will make their apps officially supported in Linux.
@@SifatUllah-12 It's called Vesktop, Vencord is the largest Discord plugin manager and it also develops Vesktop. It's primarily intended for Linux users on Wayland, but you can install it just fine on Windows and macOS as well. It comes with a number of privacy settings similar to Webcord, but without a lot of the problems Webcord has, so frankly you might prefer it even if you don't use Linux.
For starters, KDE team could make Plasma more stable. I have been using 6.0.4, and although it's useable, it constantly crashes. I reported several bug reports and found that they were already reported. Some were 2 years old. But I have switched to Plasma from Gnome, and that solved a lot of problems I had with Gnome, so I'll use Plasma. However all these bugs and crashes of Plasma makes it hard for me to tell "normies" to use Linux. Other problems of Linux, such as the lack of driver support from hardware vendors or the lack of some of big commercial apps (things like famous video editors) could be solved once Linux desktop gets enough users, so the first step is making Linux desktop more stable.
My schools predominantly had Macs but I grew up with Windows at home simultaneously. I first got into Linux in high school through a cyber security class. I've been a Linux enthusiast since 2015.
In our school, we had Windows on our computers initially, but one day, we come and find that Windows has been replaced with a wierd looking OS (we didn't know it was a Linux distro at the time). We were disappointed that we couldnt play Pinball when the teachers weren't looking.
"Some regions and some people can become rich first, drive and help other regions and other people, and gradually achieve common prosperity." --Deng Xiaoping said when meeting with a delegation of senior American entrepreneurs organized by Time Inc. on October 23, 1985 So I think we can firstly make one Linux distro become popular, then the applications that can be run on this distro can also be run on other distros. Then if this distro is popular enough, even Adobe will develop PhotoShop for it. As you see, if an application can be run on one distro, it can be also run easily on another one.
The real reason why people that use linux go back to windows : VIrtual machine does not run native like Vmware and bluestacks to play android apps with Open CL and DX interface , ALL DX games do not work with linux native, all aplications alternatives suck compared whats available on windows, No true Drivers native suport like chipset and gpu drivers and also professional audio codecs and the last one to many "Distos"
You are wrong - There's a version of Vmware for Linux, and there's alternatives for Android emulation like Waydroid - Most DX games works with Linux using Steam's Proton or another software like Lutris or Bottles - Linux already has drivers for Intel and AMD graphics, and there's options for Nvidia drivers
If anyone can save desktop Linux, it's Valve. Valve has already announced their intention to release Steam OS for desktops/laptops. And I'm pretty sure that when they do, their OS will be much more than just another “gaming Linux”. It will definitely have killer features that are at least on par with Proton.
I installed Ubuntu last night. As a windows user, the "instant turn off" is seeing the command line and terminal multiple times in the installation. I understand why, but those kind of visuals are going to scare off casual windows users. They need to make an installation media creation tool like Windows on their site to make the process of installing more streamline. The user should never have to use the command line to install a program or download an update. These things seem easy to people who use linux, but could your parents do that? Your buddies just doing their school work? These are the obstacles I think Ubuntu specifically needs to overcome. If any distro has a chance at dethroning windows I think it is Ubuntu but they have a ways to go. There also needs to be some level of familiarity so new users can navigate the OS without much confusion. It should feel like going from say Windows 7 to Windows 10.
The keyring pop up is for distros that let you log in automatically, but have to verify which user is using that profile. Then you can continue with your app/program. if you log in from the start, then everything you do after that won't usually require a password.
I have many of those problems. I'm a long time(like half my life) windows user, I'd even call myself a power-user. I've spent years tweaking and customizing and learning all the ins and outs of windows, so Linux is a very hard adjustment to make, the power-user software I use to heavily tweak the windows interface or mod games or cheat (single player games only, not an a-hole who cheats against other people) just doesn't work on Linux. By all means the regular day to day stuff works perfectly fine as like you said browsers are pretty much universal across all platforms, but most of the more advanced tweaks, basically all the things that aren't common use-cases require either so much more work to get working on linux or I just plain can't as far as I've figure out without basically coding/scripting it myself. Basically the learning curve for advanced usage is almost exponentially sharper. I've also run in many of the situations where I was banging my head against the wall /trying/ to get something to work and being denied with every attempt to the point where I was just throwing everything I could find at the problem and hoping I didn't foul things up even further. Usually having to scour through google results to find the magic sudo commands to fix the issue while still not entirely understanding what the issue was. Generally I think it was the permissions or firewall or something else that just made things silently fail. Oh and having to enter my passwords a few dozen/hundred times. And then there were the handful of times my attempts to fix things ended up breaking the whole installation with me having no idea how to undo it and I foolishly didn't make a timeshift backup so had to reinstall several times. I might've been up to the challenge when I was younger and had free time and enthusiasm/energy, but at my current stage of life and burn out from my job I just can't tackle linux, it's too big of an adjustment and there's too much I'd have to either give up or have to relearn to do from scratch. Believe me if there's anything that makes me want to get into Linux it's all this business with Windows 11, but I just don't have it in me to take on the challenge. I even bought a mini pc to have a powerful modern system to try out linux on, but I've barely used it.
I have vivid memories of us using some sort of linux os during our CS-classes in elementary school (circa 2007-2010). I think it was to get students familiar with basic computing other than windows. This was in Finland btw.
After installing Linux Mint on my second drive a few days ago, I found out that Steam (which runs on Linux) has a wrapper, based on Wine, which lets it run all my Steam Library Windows games. This is incredible. The only feature the wrapper didn't support was PhysX on "Borderlands 2." (ghosted out). I wish I had known about this years ago.
The main problem is that most people won’t switch to Linux from Windows because they have years of data(in Windows file format of course) that would be wiped if they switched to Linux. Most people don’t know about backups and even if they do, they don’t want to spend money on an external hard drive that they will only use temporarily to copy their data onto, update, and copy the data to Linux. Not even sure that is possible because of how different Windows and Linux are in terms of file systems(not the UI, the backend).
Well, i have no idea but i switched from windows 7 to linux without problems besides having to learn a fair bit of new stuff. I just copied my old games from my windows hard drive to my linux SSD and installed WINE and well that's that. I think you need to install something called NTFS-3G if it isn't already installed by default but for me it was default so i don't know.
There needs to be a reason for such a switch anyway. I've honestly yet to encounter a non-software engineer who genuinely needs Linux. Build a web server, program an embedded application? That's CS graduates' job. Find me a single normie task that would be easier on Linux. And no, people don't care about being spied on by Microsoft. Google and Meta already have way more of their data and 95% of what Mucrosoft knows about you comes from the stuff you yourself uploaded to your OneDrive.
"they have years of data" ... "they don’t want to spend money on an external hard drive" ... Such people are like ASKING to lose their "years of data" 😅 Other than that - if there is a program in Linux, that can replace your work in Windows, chances are it will also support the file format(s) - for example LibreOffice can open MS documents. Linux supports NTFS so it can see Windows disk partitions (unless encrypted). You can boot in Linux and mount the Windows partition and directly read from it to open or copy file(s), no need for external drive. (although backups on external drive is life saving!)
I think most people put most of their stuff on the cloud nowadays anyway. That's the default on Windows even, most stuff in your Windows user folder gets synced to OneDrive by default.
The only thing that keeps me from daily driving Linux is the lack of support for my music workflow. Lots of people have zero problems with it, and that’s great. But for me, Windows VSTs and DAWs are extremely hard to replace and don’t work flawlessly on Wine. Not to mention I’d have to ditch all my existing projects or dual-boot which is just more trouble than it’s worth. I even mainly got into LMDE for a month, but eventually had to concede that for my daily use it isn’t worth only partially switching to an OS that, as you mentioned, doesn’t operate that differently in most people’s daily desktop use.
finally! lol I found someone exactly like me. mannn it was a pain... the bridge to the vsts didn't work, because I had to do in this on other distro, but I didn't want to change. I did install Ableton live 9 on steamOS for example, but without VSTs? I'm a electronic producer, these are essentials. I watched many tutorials but... it felt like I was westing time that could be used to make more tracks. I've tried many free Daws for linux and bitwig that was already installed natively, but no luck on the vsts.... Ableton it's been on my work flow since 2013, and I don't think they will support Linux ever.
@@neomodulo agreed. not something I see will change anytime soon.. but hey some musicians can use linux and same can't. I know Microsoft it's a pain, but just the software itself without ads, pretty good
Im happy that i use linux.
Same, i am glad i am not a windows user 😂😂
I am stopping at Windows 10 and not thrilled Copilot can control your computer sorry not wasting more money on an upgrade I don't need bye Microsoft!
Me Too is a Mental Orgasm
@@kirekocev2587 im suck on windows as my parents think linux is easier to install viruses and they wouldnt listen to me so i use the rpi5 as my secondary linux machine
Linux has been popular for 15 years for me. I will always use linux.
My school used Linux, not just the schools, every government organisation uses Linux here, and they give a Linux laptop installed with a customised Ubuntu for every student and government employee, it's helped a lot with the popularity of Linux in my state, almost everybody is aware of Linux here. It happened mostly due to a moment in the 2000s where a bunch of free software foundation members convinced the government to use Linux, now the government also has a dedicated department to contribute to open source and develop tools
Where do you live?
Are you turkish?
W state
is that india?
@@enestekin2 Türkiyede o kadar popüler değil ki. Bizdeki hocalar chrome indirmeyi bile bilmiyor.
if anyone advertises Linux it would be gabe newell
Half-Life 3 will only be playable on Linux 🫡
@@SurfsharkAcademy now that's how you make linux popular
And Microsoft (indirectly)
IBM was running a Linux ad campaign in the late 90s. It didn't last very long but I remember seeing commercials on network TV. It was a strange time.
@@1pcfredIs this the one
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The problem isn't with Linux, it's with companies that don't release compitable versions for their software (even on wine). I heard of so much people just saying that their favorite adobe software / game doesn't work, and it's mainly a problem with anti-cheats.
bro is cheating on adobe softwares
@@melody_is_dead**inserts the crack files into the program directory**
Companies can't release closed source versions of their software on Linux. Well, they can, but it won't work for very long. Because API compatibility isn't a thing in Linux. We throw the baby out with the bathwater regularly. When code is open source it's not important. It can get modified and recompiled and then it works again. Closed source is locked into the time it was built. When the ground shifts under those binary programs then they sink.
@@1pcfred then how do all these non open source apps exist on Linux? such as google chrome, davinci resolve, skype, vmware workstation, various VPNs, etc.
@@1pcfred companies absolutely can release closed source applications and keep them functional if they're testing their releases on the platforms they're releasing them on.
I think one of the problems with Linux growth as a Desktop is the... what is it called? "Chicken and Egg problem"? Developers/Companies keep saying that they wish to port their apps to Linux but always keeps saying that Linux isn't big enough, but then at the same time if all of these apps were on Linux it will skyrocket Linux Growth.
A lot of the times it feels like just them making excuses or are just waiting for somebody else to take the leap.
An example of a Company that does this is Epic games with Fortnite.
egg came first unless you mean exclusively chicken egg in which case egg still came first because the mutations only happen in the offspring.
It's also cause most people buy laptops, and with just a few exceptions, most laptops come with Windows. We have to remember that most people never install an OS themselves, otherwise everyone would choose Linux, since the experience of installing Windows is always a complete nightmare.
The situation is more like, developers don't usually develop for it cause there's few users, manufacturers have no incentive cause there's few people using, and they don't wanna deal with people complaining to support that the apps they use don't run on the laptops, and Microsoft has a lot of economic power (monopolistic power) to keep their OS on top even if they make the crappiest OS ever
@@WolfiiDog13Windows is easy to install, IDK which problem you could get unless it's caused by the user or a bug, as for Linux, it depends on the distro, which also worked well when I installed various distros in Virtualbox, maybe it depends on the user's knowledge but I'm not sure about it.
@@Rullino32Windows refuses to install an ISO onto a Sandisk SATA SSD of mine because of unsolvable driver issues while Linux approves it
@@Rullino32older windows user here. Driver issues can get nuts when doing a clean install. Linux hang ups mainly seemed to be wireless cards til wrappers became a thing and then GPU's. Currently it's just nvidia. Maybe arc til later.
My teacher used Linux, the laptop was so slow when it ran Windows 10, but she booted Linux and it ran so smoothly, it became usable for work.
Windows 10 is a bloat that makes your PC slower every time. So, switch to Linux or debloat Windows to make it a little faster
@@MinatoNakamura we communist use Stalin OS or Red hat
Btw i use Red Arch
same for me
"How do you make Linux more popular?"
Windows 11: hold my bloatware
After win11 Linux still 4% or less.. so it does not help…
You can just remove it lol
people are too lazy to go through installing another os that's why
@@haukionkannelBro, Windows 11 is losing market share to Windows 10. Linux market share quadrupled while macOS market share is going down.
@@haukionkannelwait bro Microsoft is adding ads and destroying privacy too
2:55 I know why they dropped it, Sony said "Due to security concerns" since players could modify how the PS3 could work online from Linux with GeoHots Root key that got him into legal water and is no longer allowed to own any Sony device ever again. It allowed for self-signing of executables. So anything would be able to run without needing a "jailbreak". He even has a website that shames Sony for suing him that's still up.
Valve realized that it would be better to have a machine optimized for gaming rather than having something optimized for compatibility.
we used linux at school because my teacher really liked it
Lucky
W teacher
coolest teacher award
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lucky you bro 🗣
If linux is going to become popular with the average user then it absolutely needs to be possible/easy to do 100% of daily tasks without ever going into the terminal.
shhhhhh you're going to make the arch users screech!
thats a very surface level statement
what should happen instead, is make it so that all stuff possible on windows without a terminal should be possible on linux without terminal (linux is already basically there)
replacing all of linux's terminal is quite frankly impossible and just really not productive. terminal is ridiculously powerful and flexible
@@RenderingUser I didn't say they should replace the terminal, only that everything should be possible without going into it.
@@Dr_McKay "only that everything should be possible without going into it."
if its everything, then whats left?
also, theres some things that are possible only _because_ its the terminal
@@RenderingUser Are you unfamiliar with the concept of having multiple ways of doing things? Keep the terminal for more experienced users but don't be expecting average non tech savvy users to go into it.
To me, the primary reason why Windows is on most PCs is because they got their foot in the door with OEMs to make sure their OS was installed on computers that were sold to the public. They practically have a monopoly on it, so of course it's on most computers.
No. It's because installation of ANY application is f. easy and takes minutes. On linux still too many applications require installation via terminal (ProtonVPN, DaVinci, etc.), some apps crash because of lack of dependencies or just because.
@@pantarei. Why would installing via terminal cause a problem for the manufacturer? I would expect it to make it easier for them to install the full suite of software seeing as they could just write a script to just do it automatically. Nevermind that the ISO for more common distributions typically comes with plenty of non-essential software.
@@nagladhar2220it is a problem for users though 😂 that’s why most laptops don’t have it
Gnu/Linux oem installs have been a thing for 2 decades but haven't done shit. Same thing with the netbooks before windows 7 came along. Most Linux users get amnesia because it's easier to say we don't have users because of preinstalls than telling themselves to improve the ux by getting actual ui/UX designers to make a better product
@@famousmwofficial8046 Oh really? On most PCs? I don't think so - most people don't even know Linux exists at all, so I don't know what universe you're living in.
Thanks for discussing this topic! I'm a long time Linux user and I like when creators outside the Linux world discuss how Linux could succeed... this feels like a lot of people are rooting for Linux to succeed, even people who are not Linux users... and this makes me happy
If people want Linux to succed. Then make the default look GNOME and kde prettier.
No sane person would wasting hours of their time to customize GNOME.
If Sony wants to make the PS5 into a desktop PC they might as well use FreeBSD since the PS5, PS4 and PS3 all use FreeBSD
yeah except.... you're not running PsX games on freebsd
I wish FreeBSD was up to par with Linux in hardware compatibility. Hopefully with time this'll improve rapidly!
They could actually make a good desktop os off the ps as they could make the ps vaio or something like that and it will be a PC but have access to all your PlayStation games
A lot of basic stuff is still difficult or impossible to do in Linux. Want to undervolt GPU? Windows: just adjust sliders in MSI Afterburner. In Linux: tinker with command line apps, parameters, config files and scripts. Linux apps need more GUI.
THIS! THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN THINKING FOR YEARS!
MSI has not made GUI, users don't care enough to raise funds for development.
I would not call undervolting GPU "basic stuff", almost no one care about it. Compare with having working hardware, browser, office, games, etc.
Hmm. Those companies that create their software solutions don't care about linux at all.
So that is not a linux problem.
same with Limiting CPU & GPU Wattage and Clock speed and can store the config in 3 power modes like Asus Pc with adjustable Silent, Balance and Turbo.
He feels like a Linux enthusiast rather than a VPN company yt channel
Btw is he a CEO or a PR man of Surfshark or something like that? Does he even work for Surfshark or it just pays him a lot of money for being a sponsor in every single video?
VPN without the OS is Nothing.
@@notCAMD4mo late but this guy does work for surfshark - this channel used to post surfshark tutorials but they brought in this dude and it skyrocketed. shifted the tutorials to their other surfshark channel and this channel is just pc/tech content under the surfshark name
How? Well, finish up the whole stack of GNU + Linux + system-d + Mesa + Pipewire + Wayland + Portals + KDE/GNOME + Flatpak/Snaps so that people can use it as easily as they can Windows and Android. Then, we just need time until Microsoft mess up enough time until we got to the point where there's enough users that application developers and manufacturers sees value in supporting us. We need that strong base and then we need to hit critical mass with Microsoft's help.
Microsoft has a rat in SystemD, godamn Lennart Pottering
The problem is there are major Linux organizations, the problem is the vast majority of them are focused on enterprise and servers. The Linux desktop simply isnt profitable so why would anyone advertise it?
Realistically, Linux only needs four things:
1. **Core OS:** The main backbone of the OS. If you want to change the layout, the graphics style, the plugins, etc., you're welcome to do it.
2. **Core App Store:** This is where all apps go and where you download all apps. You can choose the style of app-flatpack, instant install pack, or whatever.
3. **A very good advertisement.**
4. **Decent user privilege system:** Plug and play. Click, click, click. No command line required.
With a root OS and a root store, anyone would be able to use Linux. From there, if you want to do a distro edit, go right ahead. You want to put in a different store? Go ahead! You want to go back to the command line and change everything? Go ahead. But the root OS and the root store have to be standardized. Every single OS has to fundamentally flow through the core, which must be easy to install and easy to navigate by default. If you can navigate like Windows and buy applications like Android, Linux could actually take a dominant path. At most, you would have a system that boots up and asks what style you want: gaming, editing, surfing, business, security. And you'd get the appropriate system with no need to figure out distros.
As for your Windows computer, it's not useless in 2025. If it still does the job, it works. If you can still run the game, it works. If you can still run the program, it works. If you can still surf the web, it definitely works. So stop fear mongering.
this one might be the only good comment I found here
Core OS: The Linux Kernel
Core Appstore: Needed work
A very good advertisement: Needed work... and money.
Decent user privilege system: PAM (Pluggable Authentication Modules). The same thing on MacOS where it prompts you for your password or fingerprint on a GUI. Needed better support for bio-metrics tough.
"Core OS" is seemingly based on the misconception that there are different distros for different purposes; which is not true. The only difference betweed linux distros is configuration (mostly for branding), pre-installed software and the package manager. However, they almost all use the same core utilities and Linux (the kernel), so they are entirely compatibleb you can do whatever you want with any linux distro, and the one you should pick is the one that looks the prettiest.
@@tulenich9948 * The one that looks prettiest, the most intuitive to you, and with stable enough software (this is subjective. some might say beta is stable enough) and great support.
@@tulenich9948 well for me, there are no Linux that tick all of the box, so I had to create my custom Linux distro based on Nix. I have my specialized workflow to unlock my full potential.
Only 2 things: job and gaming.
I don't want to do hacking to make things work. I want to install and don't think about it.
Windows has made using computers boring and a chore, and why people don't enjoy doing anything on them other than gaming. Just using computers and doing things on them can be fun by itself, that is why most computer hobbyists have moved over to Linux.
@@awolsamgood for them? Some people simply use their computer as a tool. Why should you dictate its usage?
Nobody should or will dictate how i use my PC. Not Microsoft Nor Apple offers me the freedom to use my PC as i want to. Thats What Linux IS about for me.
Welcome to the simplify of gnome software, most Linux distros have a nice Desktop Environment installed, there usually is a good and simple to use software store there too. The beauty of Linux if you don’t like one DE, you have the power to simply install another
@@michaelplaczek9385 Thats all true, but hot to open, for example, Auto Desk Inventor?
Schools mostly use Chromebooks now & they run ChromeOS which is based on Linux so yes schools do use Linux
Chromeos has another 2% while Linux has 4% WITHOUT chromeos
Actually, in China some schools starts to teach students to use UOS or UbuntuKylin, which are Linux distros developed by Chinese companies. In Chinese junior high school computer classes, students use WPS (although it is very awful) because it's made by Chinese company. So it's not very long till students in China use Linux distros as their main operating systems.
Actually no, that's just USA. In Poland where I live it's mostly windows BUT i have a few friends that had Linux on theirs PCs. Here it's very rare to find someone actually using a chromebook
We use Windows 8.1 at school, which i don't care if it's outdated (Windows 8.1 is the goat)
ChromeOS is based on Gentoo and if you want you can press Ctrl+Alt+"any F-key" to switch virtual terminals and use "Portage" the package manager of gentoo but you need to enable root in the settings if you want to do more than playing around...
Our computer engineering classes have GNU/Linux as part of the course (at least they did in our highschool) because of the fact that many people who took the course (myself included) would be going into a field in IT.
They also allowed students (myself included) to run GNU/Linux on their own personal devices and would tailor software that works on all three big platforms.
One of my IT teachers somehow was allowed to have a full computer lab running Linux in high school. Can still remember playing Kolf with others in morning home group.
Here in Germany my school used Linux Mint until the city came to the school and forced it to use Windows 10. Downgrade in programming experience for that class.
Why did it force windows?
Turn it into windows, no seriously if you want it to be adopted massivly then you have to make it work like windows, seamless, plug & play and easily understood by an end user, remember end users are pretty fucking dumb i would know i am one
zorinOS is trying to do that.
The terminal needs to go. We are not IT Linux nerds who get off on the terminal. Windows just works out of the box, but with Linux you must use the terminal because the IT Linux nerds love it. We are users, not developers. What if Windows demanded everyone go into the terminal to get anything done? That is what Linux does.
@@thesilentgeneration youve never gotten microsoft support have you? their model is run a disguised terminal called run, and alot of times will drop you back off to command prompt which is again terminal.
And you have never touched linux clearly... terminal isnt commonly used because nerds love it, its because its one of the only way to consistently perform tasks when we have many different desktop environments, file managers, and the gui is not consistent among all distros. Imagine if windows and mac both could do the same exact tasks in a terminal but you ask for help and they only gave instructions for doing something based off mac gui when u asked for help on windows and the only person who knew how to help you was a mac user so there is no option of gui based help on your flavor.
Thats the problem linux faces and why terminal is goto.
It has an added benefit that even if gui was available for whatever ans a person could help on your specific layout, you can just copy paste a few commands... the alternative of a copy paste fix is multiple paragraphs to describe going through 50 different fekin windows as is common for 'how to fix for idiots' guides on windows.
@@thesilentgenerationLinux don’t require terminal for regular everyday use. As for the troubleshooting or advanced things terminal is much more comfortable than editing registry or clicking through 63193 windows on Windows.
There are a bunch of car manufacturers, there are even more car models. Nobody is complaining about "car fragmentation".
Comparing operating system to a car... really?
Nobody sells cars that require you to tinker with it excessively to make it work, at least no big car brands
Cars just work when you buy them
They don't need you to compile your car
@@famousmwofficial8046 what year is this? 1995?
Funny how everyone missed to point about choice being a good thing.
Linux will become popular when installing and uninstalling software cleanly without breaking the whole operating system necessitating a reinstallation of the OS, becomes easy.
When a "daily update" fails half-way leaving thousands of unfinished odds-and-ends for the user to figure out how to clean up to attempt another install cleanly (and successfully) stops being a common problem, and becomes an uncommon problem.
When the dependency-hell problem across distros is solved.
Most importantly, when graphics drivers support ALL GPU hardware features and WORKS and WELL, not just "can/might work, with this version, that version, must use old release for support/can't use newest release, downgrade kernel, downgrade python, COMPILE IT YOURSELF!?", etc. Most notably, right now OpenCL isn't there yet, and ROCm is only for the very very few.
etc.
Linux just isn't usable as a "Desktop" unless you're very advanced and have lots of patience. Even if all you do is watch youtube, if you don't install advanced features of the Mesa drivers, you don't get hardware decoding on your HD videos; that means that RUclips is laggy if you're not technically capable of using the advanced driver installations.
On Windows, it's just "next next next finish" and if it fails you just click the install file again, and usually it fixes it for you; they include their own uninstaller, and you have a system uninstaller; it uninstalls it "cleanly".
Linux doesn't do that. On Linux, each distro has a ton of different ways to install the same application/driver, and between distros it's even more absurd, and frankly, there's too many choices; you almost always feel like you installed something suboptimal, or suboptimally.
A "properly configured" linux is great. But it takes way too much effort to get it there for the average user.
What absolute FUD. You clearly don't use Linux and so shouldn't really be commenting on it. Installing and uninstalling software in Linux is far cleaner than windows. Lots of crap gets left behind when you uninstall software in Windows.
I've never had a 'daily update', as you ignorantly call it, break halfway through. They just work, they keep your OS up to date and they take seconds rather that the half an hour that a Windows update can often take. And I think you'll find there are plenty of reports in the press about windows updates breaking things (VPNs???).
Maybe you haven't used a recent Linux distribution? There are many now and an awful lot of them work perfectly.
By all means stay on Windows and enjoy your experience but please don't spread misinformation rubbish like you are.
Well, all those things you stated can already be checked off, so I guess we're done with your list.
@@Skelterbane69 Just yesterday the daily Mesa graphics driver update failed half-way through installing and I needed to reinstall my desktop environment to recover it(it would only load the terminal and start x would only load a shell emulator). GTAV just froze the whole computer unrecoverably, and after a restart, the machine wouldn't work; the OS totally broke over common usage... This shouldn't have happened, and recovery should have been automatic.
Most people would have needed to reinstall the OS to fix this. I almost had to, but I stumbled upon the solution.
There's no easy way to diagnose or determine the solution to most of the problems that Linux has, either.
@@chrismurphy2769I think you are doing something wrong with your distro, all the things you said work out of the box on majors distros meant for Desktop use like Fedora on SUPPORTED hardware. At least on Team Red the experience has been smooth sailing for me on my desktop, laptop and handheld. Now if your hardware has special quirks not well supported I could understand but it sounds like you messed a bit too much with your distro.
@@minewolf3605 thanks for your assessment. I've deemed that you're mistaken.
The reasons why I haven’t fully switched over is
1) Lack of software support
2) It’s way too easy to accidentally destroy your OS
I used to format and setup computers, and I always installed windows. Now I mostly install Linux Mint. It's just easier and it works for years without problems. Most people just use the browser for everything.
I think the best way to tackle it is making a Linux for beginner.
Basically, it would be a collaborative effort between possibly multiple distributions.
Making their transition smoother like adding in a cheat sheet when you open up the terminal. That'll update depending on what you're typing and even Auto-Fill the top option for you. Like Minecraft Command System.
Ease of dual booting. Like it just does it for you. If you don't uncheck the box.
Automatic backups so the user can easily revert if they make a mistake.
Basically have a lot of the operating system to stuff automatically like Windows.
Once they're in, they can slowly transition to the other OSes based on what they need to be.
Most users might not even switch off of it since just most users use basic web browsing.
"Ease of dual booting. Like it just does it for you. If you don't uncheck the box." that isn't that easy. you need to shrink the existing partition size, which basically shrinks the "drive c" size, and there is a risk of data corruption. It's just impossible.
EDIT: also automatic backups take a lot of disk space AND there are infinite tools for that. there are many cheat sheets already available, but i think showing it when you first open the terminal isn't too bad of an idea, just for stuff like mint tho.
@@progCan Not 100% impossible just unlikely windows doesn't like its partition messed with. And backing up system files doesn't take up as much space as you think it would especially on small and more optimize distributions. I'm just saying there should be one stop shop on transition tools but not being the best for everything. The entire idea is to pick somebody very unfamiliar with linux and give them a distribution that they can "work" with at any level.
In my school on Linux it has been used for a long time. Btw I am from India. They use Ubuntu and mint
My school didn't use Linux, however they did use the open source Tux Paint :- )
Linux is used in computer class India Kerala state it's called KITE GNU Linux based on Ubuntu 20.04
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My least favourite thing about linux is it doesn't let me mod proton games. I drag mods into a mod folder and it's not recognized because apparently it has a shitty case-sensitive file system so it just ignores it.
At this point, I believe “Arch btw” is an official name for that distro though
Actually all the distros remind me of android. There's Pixel UI, One Ui, HyperOs, ColorOs, and stock.
What if treat pcs the same way? Dell runs Ubuntu, HP runs Mint, Asus runs Arch, and Windows can just make their own hardware(which they already do). New companies can even make pre-installed Linux pcs with their own skins similar to Android.
no, thinkpads run arch
what would stock be?
Firstly try to convince those companies to use Linux at all.
Hell no. Consistency is good. We don't need 55 fucking macOS type OSes. Part of the appeal of the PC was that you didn't have 5928939853 platforms, things are consistent between brand.
@@whoman0385 Windows maybe lol
What linux needs is an installation wizard that does all the tinkering necessary to make things work. Installing linux, and every program, distro, package manager, etc, for linux should be no harder than using ninite. If you did that, linux would double in market share over night.
i studied CS at Texas A&M, and while the lab computers did run windows we were often required to ssh into Linux to compile and run our programs
i don't think i ever saw a Linux DE in my time there
I honestly think making a Taskbar Search bar on the desktop that says "Search Programs", you type in a program, it showed you a very brief picture/description of the program you typed in, even better an option for one click install, and you click enter and installs it. No terminal, no store, if it suggests a Windows program, give the user an alt or a way to run said program "wine" and install wine/use.
The larger Linux desktops already do this by default. Both GNOME and KDE Plasma let you search for programs to install in their respective search bars.
@@fotnite_ Using Linux Mint, I honestly haven't looked to see if there is an applet that does this. I just wish it was a default option otherwise.
First thing first what Linux need to do is make the AppStore look good.
The AppStore now is look like trash compared to playstore and AppStore macos.
Windows user since Windows 3.1.
1)Ease of use. You can get guidance from everywhere, your friends, neighbors, any computer shop/ store you enter.
2) Mostly all business houses use Microsoft Office, professional accounting software only runs on Windows. People prefer to learn Windows & other industry standard software to earn money.
3) Easy to use GUI tools for anything you want to do.
Linux people should stop call Windows users as dumb, lazy loaths etc. They are doctors, engineers, accountants etc, expert in their fields. Not knowing any certain things about computer is not a problem.
Linux people should focus on GUI tools. Everybody is not expert in computer programming to understand command line. Most people are only app users. If everything can be done on Android & Chrome OS using GUI, both base on Linux kernel, why couldn't it be done on Linux? They should forget about nostalgia about CLI.
Finally someone says it spot on. Im still on windows because there is NO alternative in usability and ease of use. And calling us lazy because we do not want to use our pcs like its 1970 id not going to make us switch.its not about OD, its ideology.
@@roklaca3138 "And calling us lazy because we do not want to use our pcs like its 1970" I understand y'all like Windows but why spread hyperboles like this about Linux?
"1)Ease of use. You can get guidance from everywhere, your friends, neighbors, any computer shop/ store you enter." Linux is BEYOND documented
"2) Mostly all business houses use Microsoft Office, professional accounting software only runs on Windows. People prefer to learn Windows & other industry standard software to earn money." same goes for Linux, art design, engineering and programming are big money earners on Linux
"3) Easy to use GUI tools for anything you want to do." I haven't used the terminal in literal years and when I did it was because i wanted to try an easter egg, you don't need it
I understand y'all like Windows but why tf do y'all like to run us through the mud? Linux is amazing for those who need it and we just want to make it reach its proper audience. But you guys just love spreading hate and misinformation about it and that drives away people. Linux can be absolutely used by sheer noobs and advanced users alike, use windows if you want but don't throw pointless shade at us.
@@mihairomulus2488 I don't want to spread hate. These are suggestions to make Linux everybody's OS like Windows & MacOS.
I use Linux on one of my laptops.
From a perspective of a Windows Super User, I will say this, nothing that you said on this video matters to me, but when I open the contraparte Explorer on Linux and I see, Var, Etc, Bin, etc... The first thing that came to my mind is, I am not a Programmer, this isn't friendly, I am out of here. When a God Programmer with a help on an Super AI has the bravery to Rename all the main folders on Linux I really think things will change.
Yeah Linux folders can be confusing and nothing seems to make much sense. I just learn by doing that for some strange reason this file is in this strange folder.
@Ajarylee-qh9ln The fanbase of Linux is annoying, people cannot say anything bare negative to Linux... People always have a right answer to fight the ones argument. I was expecting this, because of this I said as A SUPER USER Windows user, I don't use, I create things, work on many apps and folders. If I was only a user, I probably be using Linux.
Honestly, i would have switched to linux if it was more gui oriented, and had a quality of life improvements of at least windows 10.
But as it currently stands, at the first problem you'll encounter - you'll be sent straight to the terminal. And the only desktop environment that even comes close to level of polish of windows 10 still has a long way to go.
But you know, it doesn't have to be. Just look at Android, it looks nice, works fast, easy to use and does not require terminal witchcraft, has plenty of software and so on. There's definitely something to learn from it's success.
We use a terminal interface for administration because it is the simplest and most effective method that exists. When you encounter problems in Linux you can actually fix said problems. Instead of just staring at a blue screen of death with no recourse available to you.
Seems like the last time you tried Linux was in 2012
@@octopusonfire100 Funny enough you're right 🤣. Actually preferred it to using windows 7 on my laptop, cause it was running so much better, and looked so nice and cozy. I was kind of amazed the first time i tried it. But now i don't feel the same kind of wonder when i use it now, like current distros, you know?
I just want to be excited about linux again.
@@Renigen Try manjaro linux KDE, or linux mint
"Quality of life improvements"?! I find the quality of my life and mental state deteriorate rapidly when I have to use Windows. I think you underestimate the power of a CLI to get things done, especially when it's lots of repetitive things. GUIs have their place and are obviously useful. And I think you'll find all modern Linux desktop distributions have GUIs. And for the average user you can do everything in that GUI.
It's just they also have incredibly powerful command line interfaces as well.
As someone who is trying to enter linux, the problem is also most linux user/dev only see two kind of pc user, the passionate who are more than happy to tweak and understand everything and the people who only a web browser and ms office.
They completly ignore everything in the middle, people who want to do a lot of thing on pc (usualy with a graphical interface yes) want some degree of control similar way both in possibility and simplicity to what you have on windows but they do not want to spend their time learning everything in detail.
And i can feel that every time i go back to a distro, a forum or a yt tutorial.
post scriptum= an example, the fact you can't install in easy maner software were you want.
Yes for you maybe your fine with it, but me, i am not, for me and many other user, that not a transition but a sacrifice.
It's possible to do that on linux user wise, it just not easy, while on the two most important desktop os, it's almost as easy as launching your browser. It could be made easy for user on linux, but it's in conflict with some local "philosophy" so they do not make it easy.
If you want people moving from linux to windows, making it as seamless as possible should be a priority, wich mean accepting to make accessible thing you personally as, an individual do not appreciate but most will. Particulary when this one do not make any moral compromise
I don’t think Linux needs only one distro but I think it needs only one default distro. One that anyone and their mother could point you toward if you wanted to start using Linux. Because for windows everyone will point you to windows 10/11 more towards 11 because of the time issue but still. And with Mac no one even has to say anything, you just get a Mac
If you are an advanced user, you may use Arch or Debian, but if not, the "default distro" is usually Linux Mint.
The problem with linux for many people is that you usually can't just put an installer for a program on usb and install it on other machine without internet.
Snaps or appimages? They don't run on every distro and have their drawbacks
Flatpacks? They are pretty universal. But average user can't make use of them being universal. Also dependencies?
Package manager or deb files? Good luck with dependencies.
So on my opinion as an average user who learned how to use linux and uses it now, the main problem - is the way software is installed. You heavily depend on internet to solve all dependencies or you must know well what depends on what libs or you must carry the whole freaking repository on your drive (and even then it's not 1 click install).
And yes, I do know all the way to solve it but it is still inconvenient for average user.
Otherwise linux would be (and still is) a great solution for "install it and all needed software on granny's PC so she could browse internet, videos, photos, office and use video chat, and then forget about it. Granny wouldn't be able to even tell a difference". Problems arise when said granny or you need to install something on her pc from a usb drive or without the internet
I mean a lot of apps that I use (For example Blender) is able to be downloaded as an Archive that you can unpack and then just double click a .Desktop file, I have quite a few of these and the only problem I see is people wanting to put them in the start menu without knowing how.
Like I get your point but a lot of Linux apps have an archived "Universal" version that you can download, though a lot of them have a .sh file so you do need to tell people that .sh can be launched like .exe.
I don't specifically look for them though just because the potential security risk of having a "Outdated" libraries, but that's just me being paranoid considering most of these you can download straight from git.
@@Seraph_1_A So you can double click a .desktop file? When I do it it just opens up Text Editor (on Ubuntu 24.04) and I didn't manage to figure out how to solve it after looking it up online... Ultimately decided it's easier to just ./app.desktop in terminal to run the program lol
@@Pixiuchu I Usually right click and then Execute it from there, The text editor is usually the default for double click but it can be changed, as for how to do that you have to check with your Desktop Environment.
Garuda linux does what you need
Garuda linux does what you need
The main reason I cant use linux is the unavailability of apps that I use in windows, if those apps come to windows tomorrow I will switch to linux immediately
Adobe suite? Because there isn't much out there that can't run on WINE. That being said the only windows stuff i run through WINE is legacy software and a few games.
Use wine lol
You could use Wine for most apps and Proton for gaming.
Most Windows apps will run on Linux via wine, and games via Steam (and Proton). However, not everything works flawlessly. You really need to go in with the mindset that you're willing to put up with subpar drivers (for newer hardware) and not all games and apps work flawlessly. I use Linux more than Windows for software development, but I run Linux in VMware.
Buy all those old programs to Linux… not gonna happen..
As a longtime user of Linux, I believe Immutable distros are the future for everyday normal people. SteamOS is a good example, I've also switched my desktop over to Bazzite which is an immutable Fedora based distro. Flatpaks solve the issue of fragmentation, which distro to target when developing apps, and dependency issues. When Valve releases SteamOS as a general purpose distro I believe that will be the "default" linux distro for people to use.
Some of my school's computers dual boot windows 10 and ubuntu, but we have only used ubuntu once in 2 years and we do all the stuff we do in windows
it really is just a matter of making the transition from Windows to Linux as seamless as possible. people just don't like change all that much.
I feel like if there was a commercial incentive to support Linux (such as Valve with the Steam Deck), Linux would be on par in terms of hardware/software support when it comes to Windows within a year or two. Currently there's little to no incentive for big companies to support Linux since it's not worth it commercially.
RHEL and SUSE both exist. Paid distros BTW
@@nasimfaheemalquadirI think he meant 'linux desktop' not 'linux server'
@@_DT_ Yes, this is also part of the problem with just saying Linux when you're actually talking about Linux on the desktop.
Linux has plenty of commercial incentive to support it. After all, I remember seeing a stat a few years back that 80% (I think now possibly higher) of all web servers run Linux.
And the most used OS in the world is Android which uses the Linux kernel and even iOS is based on MacOS which is UNIX like.
Linux could easily dominate on the desktop if a single manufacturer created a completely closed/controlled environment that used it (like Android). But due to the open nature of the Linux desktop world that's very unlikely to happen.
@@_DT_ SUSE and RHEL have a desktop version if I remember correctly. There's also this distro called LinSpire which is paid as well.
You nailed it - 1. Gaming. That's it. Gaming is huge, the industry is bigger than film, music, television combine. Make Linux a compelling gaming platform and the rest follows. (Also remember that Android is linux, it's a great easy to use reliable personal computing experience, so is ChromeOS - these are the clues on how to get user acceptance)
Linux support on PS3 was dropped because it was used to jailbreak the console, and Sony didn't like that.
BUT IS NOT THEY MAKE LINUX ON THE PS2 BEFORE?
1, games
2, google drive
3, word
4,can accces any program
I was trying to use linux but i changed my mind after i found that installing nvidia driver is:
first: strange and confusing way to do to me (linux should have an executable file to run and that's it)
second: screwed up my display settings after installing some things that i assumed they were the ones to install.
My point is: The day linux make installations in windows way (just double clic and voila) then i will go for it forever.
Thanks for the video.
You know what the extension for the Nvidia binary installer file is? .run But you really shouldn't be using that. You can. But maintaining it on your own is a hassle no one really needs. Your best bet is to install the driver through your distro's package manager and let your distro maintain it. There are GUI package manager front ends where you can simply click on things. I don't use them because I find GUIs to be clunky. GUIs really don't scale too well. Having 30,000 things on a menu would be ah, not good. If you want voilà then you need to learn command line incantations. That's the real magic.
@@1pcfred Thanks for the answer. I think i need to learn more about how to use linux.
@@tech.curiosity yeah you and me both. There's always more to learn. The Nvidia dev team got me running their driver. When they first released the driver some of them went on IRC and were personally helping us get it to work. It was very new so no one knew. It had to be done the hardest way possible then too. Because there were no distro packages yet. You couldn't even Google how to do it. Google didn't even exist.
Linux software usually comes from repositories. I don't have to search web for "exe" that may contain virus. All software updated automatically - both system and user software. Apple, Google and Microsoft mimic this approach in software stores.
I use Intel iGPU and it just works, I've heard same about AMD graphics. NVIDIA support is not there yet but it improves.
@@sergeykish there's software in repositories but that's not where software comes from. Just like they don't grow food in grocery stores. It's just where you get it from. Nvidia supported Linux far earlier than either AMD or Intel did. Nvidia were the first PC hardware manufacturers of any note to ever support Linux. DEC were the first manufacturers but they didn't make PC hardware. They gave Linus an Alpha to get Linux to run on. Which is not nothing but it's hardly like they did the work either. They got a whole OS for the price of one machine. Which was a shrewd move on their part. If they hired someone they'd have had to pay them give them a machine too.
The issue is, windows is more userfriendly to just boot and browsing. Then all standard laptops come with it, we are creatures of habbit. I mean how many people use the standard browser..
Only if Linux would bring a definit benefit to the user, they would switch and for 99% it just doesn’t..
It’s for most things done on the pc just as good as windows and in some cases worse..
I’m not hating on Linux I love the movement.
can we just acknowledge that that 4% number is most likely too small than the actual number? yk due to ppl refusing to let websites grab data like this?
true, I think it's close to 9-10%, because there is a very suspicious 6% users of "unknown" ... so your point is very valid, at least imo
@@moetocafe"unknown" spikes are Windows lows.
No, StatCounter "Unknown" share is higher that Linux share. More than half Linux users would have to block browser User Agent header.
@@sergeykish why do you think it's Windows?
@@moetocafe I've checked sone "Unknown" spikes - correlate with Windows lows. I believe "Unknown" should be removed from statistics.
My school uses both Windows 10 and iPadOS 17 on their Computers. I myself am an iPadOS user and also own macOS and Windows devices. I always wanted to try to use Linux just never found the time and mood for taking my time to try switching. But maybe I will do it someday.
I've switched to Linux recently. The only thing I dislike is that I pretty often bump into compatability issues or errors which I have to fix through terminal with weird commands which I have to search up on random forums. My distro isn't that popular and pretty weird in it's own way which makes it harder to apply general solutions which are meant for Debian/Ubuntu users
I don't recommend less popular distros for beginners. I would suggest switching to Mint or Fedora for a better experience.
Garuda linux is the best for everyone
We had eMac in elementary school, as time went on it was switched to iMacs. When I was in High School we all used iPads for school work, research, lectures, textbooks and tests. My media and creation classes used Mac Pros...
The recent updates kinda makes people give Linux a try
like what? do you mean gnu and/or the linux kernel itself updates? that doesn't make any sense, it's not like they can just drop a huge update that makes everything easier to use, because it's impossible. linux itself is just super basic stuff, absolutely necessary for the system to function. you probably mean an update on some distro.
@@progCan I think he meant Windows updates lol
It did for me. I just installed Linux mint earlier this morning. I'm typing this from my newly installed Linux system.
2:45 it's because people were using it for free games and hacks
5:23 I remember when I was in my primary school, we had a computer lab that had 10-12 PCs, and they were all running on Ubuntu Unity (I don't remember which version, but it had things like typing games and all study-related stuff). The most important thing is that I'm from a little village in Gujarat, which is located in India, and the funny thing is that even teachers don't know how to use it 🤣😅. btw right now I'm using Fedora.
I have a Steam Deck and I ordered a Linux tablet, in the past, I put Linux Mint on a usb thumb drive and booted my laptop into it that way, it prolonged the life of that laptop a little
There are a few things that annoys me on Linux when compared to Windows. Portable apps is one of those.
With Windows, i can just copy the exe on a thumb drive and execute and even when some dependence is missing (most of time, it's just a DLL), i can just copy to the folder of the executable and it will run. On Linux, I couldn't figure out a way to do that and it must be a "download executable & run" solution, otherwise Windows is still ahead.
There is also hardware compatibility, like backlight keyboards, fan control and power control for laptops, which ... Isn't straight forward and takes a lot of extra time to deploy. Abd even the solutions I got are subpar, like the keyboard backlight returning to a default after reboot instead of remembering what was the last state.
Gaming on Linux is getting better, but it is still lagging behind. Even retro gaming still require more steps to run on Linux. VM is a possible solution I'm certain cases, but it is still not something the end user will be doing.
Aside from those annoyances, I noticed that Linux Mint is a great option to ressuct older machines and even something running a mobile T8100 duo core with 4GB DDR2 memory will go from stuck in useless Vista to fully operational web browsing.
Another thing I've been doing is to slowly build a new software library and workflow that is compatible with Linux, so I can ditch Windows, but I'm still stuck with Windows fir gaming with my friends, who will be playing stuck from Microsoft store like MS Flight Simulator. I guess ill be only free from Windows once someone manage to sneak MS store/XBOX into Linux.
It is entirely possible to install libraries into Linux. You can even query a binary to see what libraries it depends on. $ objdump -p `which bash` | grep NEEDED As far as your persistence issues with settings goes you can store those in startup scripts. Those are you problems you need to create solutions for. The rest of us don't want your baggage. Windows trying to be everything for everyone is what makes it such a mess.
@@1pcfred I'm... Not entirely sure if you missed the point when it comes to libraries and dependencies. Installing anything in the host automatically makes the software solution not portable or contained for better compatibility. This may add some bloat perhaps, but in some instances, the user may require portability, instantaneous execution and reliability. Believe me, there are some very interesting uses for that and I want to find an analog solution for Linux.
I guess the closest hint I got so far was Appimg, but I couldn't get it to work yet. Usually I do not have much time to put into these side projects, but it would be nice since I do believe a few of my clients could use the extra performance I often get from older machines on Mint. Not even mentioning the "surprises" the intrusive Windows Update may bring that are not present on Linux. But for the meanwhile, better to keep them on Win 10, even after support drops. There is plenty of time yet.
About start up scripts, you are right about it, although it clearly shows the lackluster state of Linux support for hardware. There are lots of efforts to improve that, but it is still held by "duct tape and good wishes".
Now assuming "nobody wants your baggage", I'm not entirely sure about this assessment, but to each one their own bubble, mate. I do believe there are some real business opportunities for developing solutions for popular hardware or at least be aware of some standards to be able to recommend hardware that's more likely to be supported on Linux.
I also believe that, if folks want Linux to be popular, folks must target kids with games and stuff to get them familiarized with Linux operation, workarounds and limitations. It's super hard to change old habits on adults. I can say that because I'm struggling a bit with the oddities of Linux and some technicalities I take for granted on Windows. At least, I'm not that intimidated by CLI due to how much time I spent in MS-DOS back in the 90-2000s and later with some Linux Mint and Damn Small Linux in 2013 in my free time, but folks who got into computing during WinXP... Those will have a hard time with CLI. 😂
Best regards,
random Black Cat on the internet.
@@BlackCatRedScarf when you introduce inefficiencies you lose performance. There's no may about bloat either. If every binary needs its own libraries that's an exponential increase of files. According to ldd my browser has 119 library dependencies. Although objdump says it only needs 56. Either way it's a lot.
Seems like you'd love appimages.
Download it, right click, make exectuable, double click, done.
Put it anywhere you want. Basically the same as an exe.
Linux offers portable application in the form of app images now. Also you should be able to just launch applications by clicking on them in Linux, but you first need to change their permissions to tell Linux you want to run the application as an executable, otherwise Linux will just attempt to open everything in a text editor because the only real difference between a text file and an executable is how your computer initializes it.
I'm a Windows user that decided to try Zorin OS. I've tried different distros before but with Windows 11 on the horizon, I really wanted to try to daily drive Linux.
I installed Zorin.. 3 times and it finally finished the install on the third attempt. The first 2 failed.
My Shure MV7 mic and Bose QC Ultra headphones worked (occasionally) it was like Zorin couldn't remember the settings. (And yes it was actually installed, I manually partitioned and everything)
Then I tried Mint. Headphones and Mic didn't work at all.
Then I tried Ubuntu. Headphones and mic worked flawlessly during live USB boot, but then installing Ubuntu gave me a white screen that was like "oh no, something went wrong" every time I logged in. Reinstalled ubuntu twice. Tried every command I could find in every forum. Reinstalled gnome from terminal via dropping to shell in recovery. Same thing. Tried Installing last LTS. Was able to get to the desktop. But mic and headphones weren't even recognized.
Linux will never gain popularity until this out of the box experience becomes better.
Did you try to seek help in forums and stuff?
Linux is advertised just because it's not Windows, not because it's functionally better than Windows. If I simply disable the telemetry and remove the bloatware from Windows, Linux suddenly has no reason to be considered by me.
Ok, see you in 10 years when I upgrade to latest version of Garuda Linux on my same hardware while YOU, buying entire new PC for Windows 14
Linux will always be popular to me. It's all I use as my daily driver.
Windows 12 subscribtion with ads will send more people toward Linux.
Anything that requires a subscription will send people towards Linux.
@@bondjovi4595 Never forget that normies love to be treated like trash, they love to be submissive on a leash.
It will just keep people to Windows 10 or Windows 11, and they'll just hope they don't get attacked.
Making it easier to use would help uptake. You know...not needing the terminal, just like windoze.
Well, I mean, ChromeOS, which is based off Gentoo Linux, is widely used in schools, so that's one thing that could have gotten Linux to its 4% market share level. 🤷🏻♂️
ChromeOS was based on Ubuntu back in 2009, but has since been based on Gentoo
@@VollkinSea I didn't even know that, I thought it was Debian because of the container, thanks 😅
No. Chrome os is counted separately.
@@snappy726I remember following the omgubuntu tutorial on installing chrome os DE on Ubuntu. You can actually do that yet people want to hate on chrome os
By making so that anyone can use and understand it, not just nerds.
Linux usage is still to low for Adobe to release Photoshop for Linux.
2:50 They did this because they wanted to prevent jailbreaking and pirating the console. I watched a "documentary" about the PS3's hack incident.
Hardware is one of the reason I switched from Linux. Another reason I switched is because of MS Office and Discord.
Discord works ok on X11, wayland however is awful (or you can use custom discord client like webcord)
Also it depends on the distro honestly. Most distros like ubuntu or mint have good hardware support.
And for MS office, have you ever heard of wine? You can run Word, Excel, and Powerpoint without an issue on it.
@@Sezamndiscord works perfectly for me with screen sharing audio in wayland with vencord.
And btw libre office is a great alternative and an even greater alternative is using MS office in the browser
@@Deftera Hummm, What is Vencord? I was unable to share audio in Discord. It was real pain. And yeah I know LibreOffice is good, but some of my Excel files and PowerPoint files didn't work well with it. I tried it in Linux Mint. So I tried WPS Office, it had good format support but the Linux version was too buggy for me, crashed too many times.
I think I'll just wait another year before trying Linux again. By that time it will get even better and I hope software developers will make their apps officially supported in Linux.
@@SifatUllah-12 It's called Vesktop, Vencord is the largest Discord plugin manager and it also develops Vesktop.
It's primarily intended for Linux users on Wayland, but you can install it just fine on Windows and macOS as well. It comes with a number of privacy settings similar to Webcord, but without a lot of the problems Webcord has, so frankly you might prefer it even if you don't use Linux.
@Sesamn In some Disc servers, using custom clients can get one bānned
For starters, KDE team could make Plasma more stable. I have been using 6.0.4, and although it's useable, it constantly crashes. I reported several bug reports and found that they were already reported. Some were 2 years old. But I have switched to Plasma from Gnome, and that solved a lot of problems I had with Gnome, so I'll use Plasma. However all these bugs and crashes of Plasma makes it hard for me to tell "normies" to use Linux. Other problems of Linux, such as the lack of driver support from hardware vendors or the lack of some of big commercial apps (things like famous video editors) could be solved once Linux desktop gets enough users, so the first step is making Linux desktop more stable.
Gaming just gaming it will make linux popular
My schools predominantly had Macs but I grew up with Windows at home simultaneously. I first got into Linux in high school through a cyber security class. I've been a Linux enthusiast since 2015.
My school used Linux servers, Linux pc, Linux phones and also steam deck is with every student
In our school, we had Windows on our computers initially, but one day, we come and find that Windows has been replaced with a wierd looking OS (we didn't know it was a Linux distro at the time). We were disappointed that we couldnt play Pinball when the teachers weren't looking.
"Some regions and some people can become rich first, drive and help other regions and other people, and gradually achieve common prosperity." --Deng Xiaoping said when meeting with a delegation of senior American entrepreneurs organized by Time Inc. on October 23, 1985
So I think we can firstly make one Linux distro become popular, then the applications that can be run on this distro can also be run on other distros. Then if this distro is popular enough, even Adobe will develop PhotoShop for it. As you see, if an application can be run on one distro, it can be also run easily on another one.
Almost 1 month Windows sober, on Arch now. Couldn't be happier with the switch
The real reason why people that use linux go back to windows : VIrtual machine does not run native like Vmware and bluestacks to play android apps with Open CL and DX interface , ALL DX games do not work with linux native, all aplications alternatives suck compared whats available on windows, No true Drivers native suport like chipset and gpu drivers and also professional audio codecs and the last one to many "Distos"
Most of that is plain wrong. Especially hpu support and virtualization.
You are wrong
- There's a version of Vmware for Linux, and there's alternatives for Android emulation like Waydroid
- Most DX games works with Linux using Steam's Proton or another software like Lutris or Bottles
- Linux already has drivers for Intel and AMD graphics, and there's options for Nvidia drivers
my school used linux in two computer labs but only for students that chose to study IT not electronics or automatic systems
I use Windows because I do.
11 or 10?
@@R_negativity 11
@@R_negativity Tho I'm not a defaulto, I'm a power user, and have shrinked the taskbar and modified the start menu.
@@Feliks_WR
Windows power user: I have slightly modified my taskabr and start menu
Linux power user: I made my distro myself.
If anyone can save desktop Linux, it's Valve. Valve has already announced their intention to release Steam OS for desktops/laptops. And I'm pretty sure that when they do, their OS will be much more than just another “gaming Linux”. It will definitely have killer features that are at least on par with Proton.
ps3 reason is piracy and modding
both easily done on Linux, played some modded Skyrim and Cyberpunk just the other day
I installed Ubuntu last night. As a windows user, the "instant turn off" is seeing the command line and terminal multiple times in the installation. I understand why, but those kind of visuals are going to scare off casual windows users. They need to make an installation media creation tool like Windows on their site to make the process of installing more streamline. The user should never have to use the command line to install a program or download an update. These things seem easy to people who use linux, but could your parents do that? Your buddies just doing their school work? These are the obstacles I think Ubuntu specifically needs to overcome. If any distro has a chance at dethroning windows I think it is Ubuntu but they have a ways to go. There also needs to be some level of familiarity so new users can navigate the OS without much confusion. It should feel like going from say Windows 7 to Windows 10.
Don't make Linux popular, or it would be hard if everyone flex their arch build and have to migrate to FreeBSD for elitism purposes😂
The keyring pop up is for distros that let you log in automatically, but have to verify which user is using that profile. Then you can continue with your app/program. if you log in from the start, then everything you do after that won't usually require a password.
Arch users here ->
I use TempleOS btw
Lots of schools used Mac around 2012, but then switched to Chromebooks. Windows is used if there is a specific software needed.
I have many of those problems. I'm a long time(like half my life) windows user, I'd even call myself a power-user. I've spent years tweaking and customizing and learning all the ins and outs of windows, so Linux is a very hard adjustment to make, the power-user software I use to heavily tweak the windows interface or mod games or cheat (single player games only, not an a-hole who cheats against other people) just doesn't work on Linux. By all means the regular day to day stuff works perfectly fine as like you said browsers are pretty much universal across all platforms, but most of the more advanced tweaks, basically all the things that aren't common use-cases require either so much more work to get working on linux or I just plain can't as far as I've figure out without basically coding/scripting it myself. Basically the learning curve for advanced usage is almost exponentially sharper.
I've also run in many of the situations where I was banging my head against the wall /trying/ to get something to work and being denied with every attempt to the point where I was just throwing everything I could find at the problem and hoping I didn't foul things up even further. Usually having to scour through google results to find the magic sudo commands to fix the issue while still not entirely understanding what the issue was. Generally I think it was the permissions or firewall or something else that just made things silently fail. Oh and having to enter my passwords a few dozen/hundred times. And then there were the handful of times my attempts to fix things ended up breaking the whole installation with me having no idea how to undo it and I foolishly didn't make a timeshift backup so had to reinstall several times.
I might've been up to the challenge when I was younger and had free time and enthusiasm/energy, but at my current stage of life and burn out from my job I just can't tackle linux, it's too big of an adjustment and there's too much I'd have to either give up or have to relearn to do from scratch. Believe me if there's anything that makes me want to get into Linux it's all this business with Windows 11, but I just don't have it in me to take on the challenge. I even bought a mini pc to have a powerful modern system to try out linux on, but I've barely used it.
I have vivid memories of us using some sort of linux os during our CS-classes in elementary school (circa 2007-2010). I think it was to get students familiar with basic computing other than windows. This was in Finland btw.
I'm happy that I use kali linux on my lenovo intel celeron n3060
We used SUSE in the mid 2000s in my high school computer network technologies and programming classes. I liked it a lot back then.
After installing Linux Mint on my second drive a few days ago, I found out that Steam (which runs on Linux) has a wrapper, based on Wine, which lets it run all my Steam Library Windows games. This is incredible. The only feature the wrapper didn't support was PhysX on "Borderlands 2." (ghosted out). I wish I had known about this years ago.
if you want linux to be mainstream, you need to make pretty much 100% of the average user experience completely free of the terminal
You are absolutely right. 99% of tutorials and advice start with "open the terminal..." and this makes me feel like I booted MS DOS by mistake.
The main problem is that most people won’t switch to Linux from Windows because they have years of data(in Windows file format of course) that would be wiped if they switched to Linux. Most people don’t know about backups and even if they do, they don’t want to spend money on an external hard drive that they will only use temporarily to copy their data onto, update, and copy the data to Linux.
Not even sure that is possible because of how different Windows and Linux are in terms of file systems(not the UI, the backend).
Well, i have no idea but i switched from windows 7 to linux without problems besides having to learn a fair bit of new stuff. I just copied my old games from my windows hard drive to my linux SSD and installed WINE and well that's that. I think you need to install something called NTFS-3G if it isn't already installed by default but for me it was default so i don't know.
There needs to be a reason for such a switch anyway. I've honestly yet to encounter a non-software engineer who genuinely needs Linux. Build a web server, program an embedded application? That's CS graduates' job. Find me a single normie task that would be easier on Linux.
And no, people don't care about being spied on by Microsoft. Google and Meta already have way more of their data and 95% of what Mucrosoft knows about you comes from the stuff you yourself uploaded to your OneDrive.
"they have years of data" ... "they don’t want to spend money on an external hard drive" ...
Such people are like ASKING to lose their "years of data" 😅
Other than that - if there is a program in Linux, that can replace your work in Windows, chances are it will also support the file format(s) - for example LibreOffice can open MS documents.
Linux supports NTFS so it can see Windows disk partitions (unless encrypted). You can boot in Linux and mount the Windows partition and directly read from it to open or copy file(s), no need for external drive. (although backups on external drive is life saving!)
I think most people put most of their stuff on the cloud nowadays anyway. That's the default on Windows even, most stuff in your Windows user folder gets synced to OneDrive by default.
i have dualboot. lost no data
The only thing that keeps me from daily driving Linux is the lack of support for my music workflow. Lots of people have zero problems with it, and that’s great. But for me, Windows VSTs and DAWs are extremely hard to replace and don’t work flawlessly on Wine. Not to mention I’d have to ditch all my existing projects or dual-boot which is just more trouble than it’s worth.
I even mainly got into LMDE for a month, but eventually had to concede that for my daily use it isn’t worth only partially switching to an OS that, as you mentioned, doesn’t operate that differently in most people’s daily desktop use.
finally! lol I found someone exactly like me. mannn it was a pain... the bridge to the vsts didn't work, because I had to do in this on other distro, but I didn't want to change. I did install Ableton live 9 on steamOS for example, but without VSTs? I'm a electronic producer, these are essentials. I watched many tutorials but... it felt like I was westing time that could be used to make more tracks. I've tried many free Daws for linux and bitwig that was already installed natively, but no luck on the vsts.... Ableton it's been on my work flow since 2013, and I don't think they will support Linux ever.
Yeah, it’s sad. :/
Hopefully Windows 11’s shortcomings will encourage better support, but it’s just not there yet.
@@neomodulo agreed. not something I see will change anytime soon.. but hey some musicians can use linux and same can't. I know Microsoft it's a pain, but just the software itself without ads, pretty good
@@netrodex At least there are mods like ShutUp10 that make it more tolerable. If you haven’t tried it please do.