I absolutely love how Roman is always straightforward, no BS, always using common sense when talking about every aspect of the things you guys discuss. Great video!
Man, 20 acres , make a truck test course! Offset logs, to test frame flex and suspension travel, articulation, lockers vs limited slip(torsions) etc. washboard sections , dips for approach and departure angles, hill climb section, high speed off road section, all kinds of possibilities to have a standardized test track
I personally think the Raptor sounds good. The TRX sounds good too, but I think you guys make too much of this issue. Last generation, I agree, the Gen 3 I think sounds good though. It's just different, like comparing a hot rod to an import sports car sound.
On our trip to the Grand Canyon I winterized our camper in a Walmart parking lot in a sleet storm in Arizona of all places! You have to winterize a camper when you are towing it in freezing weather because you don't want to run a propane heater when you are towing as that has caused more than a few camper fires. Just like your house plumbing...if you house gets below freezing bad things happen and a camper will cool down much faster than a house in freezing weather with no heat source. In all reality I can winterize our camper in about 15 minutes so its really not that bad of a process...you just have to pump a special non toxic antifreeze through the plumbing with a bypass pump.
@@billymc2681 the ZR2 will not compete with the TRX or Rapture. Sure they have upgraded shocks but thats it. Same frame as a regular sliverado. Rear leaf springs are old tech now compared to the TRX and Rapture. No upgraded engine to compete either. The ZR2 is one step up from a trail boss and that's it.
@@rondail5675 I too have a Z06 and believe me and if you want fast both of these trucks are a big disappointment coming from your Z06. It's like going from holy shit this thing scares the hell out of me and can't even bring myself to go WOT to is that really all it's got.
As someone who is considering the Tundra hybrid among everything else, I don't think the Tundra is a flop I think it's just slightly disappointing considering the splash that we know Toyota was capable of making in this market. Just about everything is mediocre and it doesn't take risks as well as being a good value overall. The whole thing just makes it hard to love, hard to get excited about, and I think Toy may have been a misreading of the market. It's a good, solid, value choice but that's not good enough.
I hope the new Tundra is not a flop, but only time will tell if that new 3.4L TT engine is solid (reliable) and hopefully, the 10 speed AT is going to be reliable as well. However, Toyota gets more and more aggressive in implementing new technology, so who knows, maybe those days for Toyota not taking a risk are over.
Andre has a great recollection for specs. Nice job. Smart hire Roman! (But you're better at rants! Haha.) Tommy with tech, and Chase brings the cool. What a team.
TFL , Generally ,no, you don't travel with water in sub zero weather . Unless it has solar-powered heater pads on the tanks. Typically, you run with a 1/4 tank in nice weather due to its weight .
I’ll take a Raptor! Been my dream truck since I was in high school when the 1st gen came out. Yeah the TRX makes more power but it’s a Fiat/Chrysler product. 🤮 Edit: But if I ever got a chance to drive the TRX I’m sure I’d love it lmao.
@@paulhunter9613 When it runs similar ET's to an entry level sports car like a Focus RS it's slow by my standards of what's actually fast. I doubt it's too much truck for anyone.
Did you adjust the tire pressure on the LMTV? In the center there's a box that has buttons marked with different terrain that will adjust tire pressure since it has an onboard air compressor.
Always lover your programs. A question. Which do you think would be better during big snowstorms on roads and highways, the Ford F150 Raptor with 37's versus the normal F150 Raptor with 35's, other things being equal? And do you think there is any way to add a higher quality shock to the rear of a Platinum with it's springs to give it anywhere near as buttery smooth a drive as the Raptor with its 5 link spring suspension in the rear? And if not, do you think the max comfort leather seats of the Platinum might make up that difference? Thanks.
Driving on snowy wooded trails looks like fun, but it's not really what these trucks were made for. Any chance we can get them tested in the open desert?
Just put it this way: If Ford and it's engineers were so sure the G3 Raptor is indeed a better truck than the TRX, they wouldnt feel the need to bring out the R. Somehow every Ford fanboy(ie Andre) discards or avoids the Hp talk, until the R comes out. Then they will be team HP again
I agree the R will not be attainable. As far as demand, just look at TRX forums. 99% of the owners are former Raptor owners tired of the V6. I'm one of them. The TRX is selling like hotcakes and resell value is excellent. Ford did never intend to make the R. It did not want to go back to a V8. It was caught with its pants down and forced to react. The Raptor had 10 years of no competition and Ford did not listen to the owners wanting a V8. The G1 was the best generation, just ask owners
Most people fill their water tanks after they get to the camping site. It would be ridiculous to tow cross country with full tanks, maybe partial fill for overnight stops in parking lots, but not full.
I believe 450 hp is more than enough to do the raptor thing. I own a Gen 2 and can’t imagine driving any faster in dirt but for a faster 0 to 60. Suspension is a different thing and I do not know what the third gen adds Apparently amazing
narrower tires are actually better in snow in most situations more pressure/bite per square inch vs. wider tires that spread the psi over a bigger footprint resulting in more propensity to float over snow & not bite into hard pack. On really deep offroad snow.....I think things are a little different, maybe wider could be better as narrow tires dig you deeper down....maybe too deep - all that being said the difference in width between the 2 trucks is negligible, & the PSI to footprint is probably nearly identical too - TRX may have slightly wider tires but its a good bit heavier weighing 700 lbs or so more than the Raptor....lotta variables lol
I think (just my opinion) the people I know who have the hemi truck, are the segment of the population you keep talking about V8 PEOPLE. It would be interesting if they changed to V6 turbo, would the sales stay the same??
None of the makers you called out are “cranking out” EV trucks….so none of them are playing football. And GM who produced less EVs than Rivian just announced the Silverado and most trims won’t be available until 2024 assuming zero delays.
I love all this off road trucks but I think companies are missing the opportunity to do a street/track versions of this trucks before the transition to EV.
Maybe roman should buy the TRX from the company when it's officially time to move it. Then he can have it since he really really likes it and it wouldn't be a bad buy just add remote start and and anything else he would like then it's all his 🤔 awesome words from Roman that everyone should get the chance to drive one if they can and everything he said about it.
What about the price of gas ! Are is the rumble of a v 8 worth the thousands in gas you will pay ? Higher insurance rates it’s supercharged ! And to be honest it looks like a normal ram truck on the outside ! Nothing special but the v 8 rumble ohhh! Wow !
I don't even consider Ford when buying a new vehicle after my Ford owner experience in 1992. Too many Fire recalls. Ford trucks are fleet queens. Cheap plastic interiors. The chimes are annoying. Nothing to see here.
Roman has no idea how campers works when traveling etc. Or any aspect of camper usage when in use.. if you don’t know don’t don’t act like you know. Tks.
@@Kliffy77 you do understand that trucks base costs more therefor if you want the loaded interior with the Tex that’s shit gonna place it about 10 grand above a loaded raptor right
One thing you Jeep / Ram fanboys STILL have not mentioned, race both in the Baja 500 / Baja 1000. I still have not seen the TRX in the Baja series. Until then, how can you compare the two for what they are, BAJA trucks.
Okay … Romans cute naive questions about travel trailers explains a lot. I have always wondered why TFL does not do more towing testing with probably the most common application, travel trailers. Now I understand a bit more … because Roman has no frame of reference on those apparently. No Roman, you can’t pull a trailer with full water tanks in the freezing winter…. Unless you want to ruin it.
When better offroad ability is last priority tell me you want to be a posser mall crawler with a small penis complex by buying a lifted oversized offroad truck to never take offroad without telling me.
I’m glad they kept the standard f150 big screen. I really don’t like the one in the lightning and mustang mach E.
Completely agree
Same
I absolutely love how Roman is always straightforward, no BS, always using common sense when talking about every aspect of the things you guys discuss. Great video!
Man, 20 acres , make a truck test course! Offset logs, to test frame flex and suspension travel, articulation, lockers vs limited slip(torsions) etc. washboard sections , dips for approach and departure angles, hill climb section, high speed off road section, all kinds of possibilities to have a standardized test track
Cons of the Raptor - markups, Markups, MARKUPS!
Ranger Raptor has just arrived in Australia with a 392 kW V6. 1st Petrol ute we have had in a while.
Oddly enough the TRX can be had now for under MSRP and raptors still have dealer markups between 10 and 30 thousand dollars.
I personally think the Raptor sounds good. The TRX sounds good too, but I think you guys make too much of this issue. Last generation, I agree, the Gen 3 I think sounds good though. It's just different, like comparing a hot rod to an import sports car sound.
2022 award for most hated. Tundra. That's coming from a loyal Toyota owner.
On our trip to the Grand Canyon I winterized our camper in a Walmart parking lot in a sleet storm in Arizona of all places! You have to winterize a camper when you are towing it in freezing weather because you don't want to run a propane heater when you are towing as that has caused more than a few camper fires. Just like your house plumbing...if you house gets below freezing bad things happen and a camper will cool down much faster than a house in freezing weather with no heat source. In all reality I can winterize our camper in about 15 minutes so its really not that bad of a process...you just have to pump a special non toxic antifreeze through the plumbing with a bypass pump.
They are both great trucks. Raptor is better looking front grille. At the same price, I pick the TRX for the powertrain. Come on GM, catch-up.
They aren't the same price?? Unless you want a base vs loaded
ZR2 Silverado is coming soon. Doesn't have a widebody but it's DSSV suspension should be quite capable.
@@billymc2681 I like the new interior. Having a Corvette, I like the GM powertrain.
@@billymc2681 the ZR2 will not compete with the TRX or Rapture. Sure they have upgraded shocks but thats it. Same frame as a regular sliverado. Rear leaf springs are old tech now compared to the TRX and Rapture. No upgraded engine to compete either. The ZR2 is one step up from a trail boss and that's it.
@@rondail5675 I too have a Z06 and believe me and if you want fast both of these trucks are a big disappointment coming from your Z06. It's like going from holy shit this thing scares the hell out of me and can't even bring myself to go WOT to is that really all it's got.
As someone who is considering the Tundra hybrid among everything else, I don't think the Tundra is a flop I think it's just slightly disappointing considering the splash that we know Toyota was capable of making in this market. Just about everything is mediocre and it doesn't take risks as well as being a good value overall. The whole thing just makes it hard to love, hard to get excited about, and I think Toy may have been a misreading of the market. It's a good, solid, value choice but that's not good enough.
I hope the new Tundra is not a flop, but only time will tell if that new 3.4L TT engine is solid (reliable) and hopefully, the 10 speed AT is going to be reliable as well. However, Toyota gets more and more aggressive in implementing new technology, so who knows, maybe those days for Toyota not taking a risk are over.
Now engines are exploding
Andre has a great recollection for specs. Nice job. Smart hire Roman! (But you're better at rants! Haha.) Tommy with tech, and Chase brings the cool. What a team.
Forgot, Nathan brings the keeps commercial...he's great too. Love his ornery personality.
You left out Nathan, who brings the laughs.. And FYI they are ALL cool!
@@lunamaria1048 see above, but yeah, sorry Nathan. Mr. Truck too.
TFL , Generally ,no, you don't travel with water in sub zero weather . Unless it has solar-powered heater pads on the tanks. Typically, you run with a 1/4 tank in nice weather due to its weight .
I’ll take a Raptor! Been my dream truck since I was in high school when the 1st gen came out. Yeah the TRX makes more power but it’s a Fiat/Chrysler product. 🤮
Edit: But if I ever got a chance to drive the TRX I’m sure I’d love it lmao.
You mean, the TRX is a Stellantis product!.. FC changed their name, after merging with PSA, last year
@ya boy
Stick with the ford, the trx is way too much truck for you
@@paulhunter9613 When it runs similar ET's to an entry level sports car like a Focus RS it's slow by my standards of what's actually fast. I doubt it's too much truck for anyone.
Did you adjust the tire pressure on the LMTV? In the center there's a box that has buttons marked with different terrain that will adjust tire pressure since it has an onboard air compressor.
Always lover your programs. A question. Which do you think would be better during big snowstorms on roads and highways, the Ford F150 Raptor with 37's versus the normal F150 Raptor with 35's, other things being equal? And do you think there is any way to add a higher quality shock to the rear of a Platinum with it's springs to give it anywhere near as buttery smooth a drive as the Raptor with its 5 link spring suspension in the rear? And if not, do you think the max comfort leather seats of the Platinum might make up that difference? Thanks.
Andre is right about the water freezing 🤣
Another great show. Thanks fellas
Driving on snowy wooded trails looks like fun, but it's not really what these trucks were made for.
Any chance we can get them tested in the open desert?
I’ve seen exactly 1 new Tundra in So Cal/LA area. Little surprised I have not seen more yet.
Just put it this way: If Ford and it's engineers were so sure the G3 Raptor is indeed a better truck than the TRX, they wouldnt feel the need to bring out the R. Somehow every Ford fanboy(ie Andre) discards or avoids the Hp talk, until the R comes out. Then they will be team HP again
I agree the R will not be attainable. As far as demand, just look at TRX forums. 99% of the owners are former Raptor owners tired of the V6. I'm one of them.
The TRX is selling like hotcakes and resell value is excellent. Ford did never intend to make the R. It did not want to go back to a V8. It was caught with its pants down and forced to react. The Raptor had 10 years of no competition and Ford did not listen to the owners wanting a V8. The G1 was the best generation, just ask owners
How about an Expedition Raptor? With a front fascia obv. needs an improvement
Do a Rowdy Mustang variant of a Ford Maverick that could be a ton of fun roasting tires in a mini truck
Most people fill their water tanks after they get to the camping site. It would be ridiculous to tow cross country with full tanks, maybe partial fill for overnight stops in parking lots, but not full.
I believe 450 hp is more than enough to do the raptor thing. I own a Gen 2 and can’t imagine driving any faster in dirt but for a faster 0 to 60. Suspension is a different thing and I do not know what the third gen adds Apparently amazing
It lets you fly. When you fly, you always want to go a little faster 😂
narrower tires are actually better in snow in most situations more pressure/bite per square inch vs. wider tires that spread the psi over a bigger footprint resulting in more propensity to float over snow & not bite into hard pack. On really deep offroad snow.....I think things are a little different, maybe wider could be better as narrow tires dig you deeper down....maybe too deep - all that being said the difference in width between the 2 trucks is negligible, & the PSI to footprint is probably nearly identical too - TRX may have slightly wider tires but its a good bit heavier weighing 700 lbs or so more than the Raptor....lotta variables lol
Sound doesn't matter that much guys
The Bronco yellow reminds me of school bus yellow
We’ve had a Ranger Raptor in Australia for years. Unfortunately it has a tiny 2 litre diesel motor.
Roman rants is the coolest part
I think (just my opinion) the people I know who have the hemi truck, are the segment of the population you keep talking about V8 PEOPLE. It would be interesting if they changed to V6 turbo, would the sales stay the same??
As a Raptor owner they are a fully over hyped truck . Cool to have once but no repeat customer here
Why?
Parking?
I heard “girthy” and “deeper” and I had to double check what I was watching!! 😂
None of the makers you called out are “cranking out” EV trucks….so none of them are playing football. And GM who produced less EVs than Rivian just announced the Silverado and most trims won’t be available until 2024 assuming zero delays.
4 season campers have heated tanks for the most part
I love all this off road trucks but I think companies are missing the opportunity to do a street/track versions of this trucks before the transition to EV.
Geez can Andre finish a sentence without getting interrupted?
The powertrain and interior are better in the trx. If I bought a raptor I'd wish it was a trx.
Maybe roman should buy the TRX from the company when it's officially time to move it. Then he can have it since he really really likes it and it wouldn't be a bad buy just add remote start and and anything else he would like then it's all his 🤔 awesome words from Roman that everyone should get the chance to drive one if they can and everything he said about it.
What about the price of gas ! Are is the rumble of a v 8 worth the thousands in gas you will pay ? Higher insurance rates it’s supercharged ! And to be honest it looks like a normal ram truck on the outside ! Nothing special but the v 8 rumble ohhh! Wow !
TRX = T-REX
I don't even consider Ford when buying a new vehicle after my Ford owner experience in 1992. Too many Fire recalls. Ford trucks are fleet queens. Cheap plastic interiors. The chimes are annoying. Nothing to see here.
Raptor would be a better overlander.
Ford is opening a new electric vehicle plant in Tennessee...
18:00 The Ranger raptor still isn’t here despite being available in the UK & many other countries 🤣.. for years. .. but I don’t care..
You can trade it to me for my 2021 Lariat Powerboost.
Both really nice trucks but I must say that I would lean towards the TRX. Mopar baby👍👍👍1️⃣
Roman has no idea how campers works when traveling etc. Or any aspect of camper usage when in use.. if you don’t know don’t don’t act like you know. Tks.
How is this a pros and cons video?
Your TRX interior is basic, The Raptor has a fully loaded interior, A fully loaded 22 TRX vs 22 fully loaded Raptor interior comparison is fair.
Except it’s not because of price
@@JackLambert180 the price has to do with the power train nothing to do with interior.
@@Kliffy77 the interior 100% has to do with price
@@JackLambert180 My Ram Rebel is almost 20K less and has the fully loaded interior as a TRX.
@@Kliffy77 you do understand that trucks base costs more therefor if you want the loaded interior with the Tex that’s shit gonna place it about 10 grand above a loaded raptor right
You guys talked way too much about other vehicles in this video. It’s supposed to be a review for one vehicle.
Looks like children are taught not to touch stuff there.
There's to much bubble wrap around people nowadays.
Lexus only exists in america so expecting them to change the labeling on a tundra to accommodate picky Americans is kinda ridiculous.
One thing you Jeep / Ram fanboys STILL have not mentioned, race both in the Baja 500 / Baja 1000. I still have not seen the TRX in the Baja series. Until then, how can you compare the two for what they are, BAJA trucks.
You should sit across from each other.
😭 TRANSIT RAPTOR, 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Dick Cheney 😂
Okay … Romans cute naive questions about travel trailers explains a lot. I have always wondered why TFL does not do more towing testing with probably the most common application, travel trailers. Now I understand a bit more … because Roman has no frame of reference on those apparently. No Roman, you can’t pull a trailer with full water tanks in the freezing winter…. Unless you want to ruin it.
Unless the tanks are heated?
I think the raptors interior is worse than the TRX seats look cool but that's about it
I’m a simple guy that doesn’t want a truck(or car) to sound like gerbils on helium.
Is that a C5? If so you're probably shopping outside your price range with either of these trucks Sir.
TRX over Rapture all day. Even when the Rapture R comes out.
Keep buying that FIAT made garbage.
My respect for thanos increases everytime after seeing such comments
@jaded jay
Keep driving your Prius..
When better offroad ability is last priority tell me you want to be a posser mall crawler with a small penis complex by buying a lifted oversized offroad truck to never take offroad without telling me.
Ford is increasing the base price of a Raptor by $3300. A base Raptor will now be a tad over $70k w/destination fee.
Worth it.