A Routine Approach to Land Quickly Turns into a Disaster | Deadly Misunderstanding
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- Опубликовано: 23 ноя 2022
- Find out how a chain of misunderstandings between an Air Traffic Controller and the pilots of the McDonnell Douglas MD-81 operating as Inex-Adria Aviopromet Flight 1308 caused the plane to crash into Corsica's Mont San-Pietro, France.
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Tough one to watch play out but it reinforces the old adage: if the pilot screws up, everyone dies. If dispatch screws up, everyone dies. If ATC screws up, everyone dies. If maintenence screws up, everyone dies. We all play a part in safety of flight. When in doubt, ask. Don't be afraid to say: unable. Remember, we can all talk about it when safe on the ground but that conversation only happens if we make it safely there. Fly smart lads.
Unfortunately, most people would rather be "right" and dead, than wrong and alive. Ego is a bitch!
Amen brother…well said!
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Thank you for covering this accident! I live not too far from Mount San Pietro in Corsica, and i've been several times to the crash site. The crash itself still haunts our island, lot of people I know remember the sound of the impact in the mountains..
You just didn't though did you
Yo momma itself still haunts our island
@@YanDaOne_QC Grow up
@@Swissairfan7382
sit down son
Sorry about these people in the replies they really need to get off TikTok and grow up
Not an ifr pilot so I can’t speak from experience, but that seems like a needlessly complex holding pattern and approach. Making a bunch of turns in an area that has mountainous terrain seemed like an accident waiting to happeb
not even a pilot here, but I had the same thought... who in their right mind would hold a plane over mountains, when the water is right next to them
Agree.. I'm sure that can be simplified.
Why all of preparations for landing could not be done above the sea far away from mountains?
Exactly...
A holding pattern needs to be started at a fix, in this case the VOR (no GPS in this time period to create artificial fixes in the sky). The holding pattern inbound track (247deg) was likely chosen as it allowed the aircraft to fly over the station directly towards the turn onto final. Standard holding patterns are right hand turns, this one goes to the left I assume due to high terrain to the North. Unfortunately due to the equipment restrictions of 1981 this seems like a perfectly reasonable approach procedure given the terrain. (Not local to the area)
It surprises me in a lot of cases with the plane screaming "terrain terrain pull up" it always takes the pilots a good 15 seconds to even register that the alert is going off.
Yes landing is a high work load event however if the plane screams at you it should be a priority to address tge issue and pull up immediately, the mountain is below you not above you, there is no risk of hitting the planet if you pull up a few hundred feet.
The procedure is to immediately respond with a max performance climb. However I suspect many pilots have experienced faulty warnings from the system, ie warnings while in clear conditions and you can see out the window that the GPWS system is wrong. So if you don't have any doubt about your correct execution of the approach procedure, you may think the warning is just another glitch (often triggered by faulty radar altimeters, which are troubled by 5G and other radio frequencies).
Interestingly, replacing the pilot with fully automated systems won't necessarily be any safer - because the aforementioned frequent faulty data present in the various sensors which would cause a fully automated system to glitch out and do other stupid stuff.
All we can hope is that pilots always do the one and only correct procedure and respond to the warnings.
@Sloth aka "workplace complacency", a common symptom amongst those that work over half a decade in a profession, too focused on routines getting from point A to point D that you tune out and ignore potential dangers and become unaware that you may or may not have skipped a few steps.
I'm not a pilot, but if I was and heard that I'd go to wide open throttle and pull up immediately.
This happens because a pilot has a “mental model” in his head of where he believes he is. When information is presented to the brain that opposes that model, it takes time to register. In this case there was both a visual and auditory cue from the environment that contradicted the pilot’s mental model that was utterly shocking.
We have been taught there e are two responses to threat: fight or flight. Wrong. There are three, the third being “ freeze”.
The freeze response involves a different physiological process than fight or flight. It is also referred to ad “attentive immobility.” This response causes heightened alertness and can prevent a person from taking action against the threat.
@@GemmaLB You’d like to think so but the “deer in the headlights” response to a potentially lethal threat happens to humans as well.
I love how the intro no longer "spoils" the event by showing the outcome.
Except the title still does
Totally agree. I used to look away the first seconds of videos, because it already showed the outcome of what was going to happen. But indeed, this video is ok.
@@marcohueber5130 I've seen quite a few videos here that have something very similar to this title, but it actually ends up being a close call, so the title actually doesn't spoil it, thankfully. It can still go either way.
Also to be fair creators on RUclips are basically forced to make sensationalized thumbnails and titles to get views, so I can't blame them.
I thought it was just me! I would look away but have the “corner of my eye” sorta watching til I knew it was safe lol
@@sinver147 Same here. This is a welcome change.
Unless you're flying inverted I can scarcely think of an instance where immediately pulling up when the GPWS instructs you to would be a bad idea.
I wondered why they waited. When you consider risk vs benefit, it's a no-brainer.
@@jackcobb1090 I guess many pilots just get used to this system going off when there is no terrain ahead because of faulty sensors.
@@jackcobb1090 The lackadaisical speech and the lack of radar also contributed greatly to this needless tragedy.
Speaking of flying inverted ... all those interested should check out Alaska Air Flight 261. The last seconds of this flight were inverted before going into the drink. Those pilots had balls for sure.
@@jackcobb1090 Agree. If the video is an accurate representation, it's beyond belief the capt didn't pull up.
Clear case of the blind leading the blind.
Sadly it always takes a disaster before any equipment or rules are upgraded. R.I.P. ✈
For anything. There is a terrible intersection not too far from me but there is still no traffic light because not enough people have been killed there yet.
So true smh
“The rules of aviation are written in blood.” So true.
“Bodybag legislation”
Geeze right! You would think air industry inspectors would spot potential trouble spots on and around airports and changes would be made before tragedies!!
Hey sir! My self Aman...I'm from India..I started watching your videos from last 2 months and I just love the way you explain the whole situation...I also want to become a pilot in India..aviation is my love..and I'm just 14 now! I keep watching your video so that I can avoid such situations when I will become a pilot....bless me that my dream can come true for becoming a pilot❤
I wish you a good journey to becoming a pilot.
Best wishes, Aman! ❤️
@@grmpEqweer Thanks dude✨❤
@@alexh8983 Thanks man❤
Autonomous systems (Artificial Intelligence) will steal your job before you even get your commercial pilot license
This is the first video I have seen where a punishment for a ground controller was not severe enough. Not recognizing the pilots saying they were in a holding pattern was negligent.
They repeatedly said , they passed VOR and they are on 247 turn. That's made hell of a confusion. We don't know , how clear and precise was radio communications back then.
The whole industry should have been punished for what should have been illegal flying.
And no radar at said airport was another red flag
@@uniqueurl It's not true, the captain said "Just now Ajaccio VOR, level is 110 in holding pattern."
True, but the contributory negligence of the pilots is stark. They had the last clear chance to pull up when the terrain proximity sound went off.
I can't believe the ATC was cleared of all charges.
Why it was required to keep such a complex holding pattern for that airport at that time is beyond me. RIP all those souls.
This is by far one of the best , if not the best case you have done. I was actually praying hoping for anyone of them to understand, that they are only on the holding zone. Lives spoiled for no reason really hurts.
The plane didn't hit the mountain nose first, as they where turning they hit the rock with left wing just under the peak. 8 meters of wing was ripped off, leaving the plane to fly a couple of seconds more and then crashing on the other side of a mountain. Final words in those seconds where from captain, saying 'it's over, it's over' and from the first officer kid saying 'daddy, daddy '. So sad. They searched the plane for 4 hours, because atc was telling the rescue teams that the plane was over the sea when he lost the contact.
The stuff of nightmares. So terrible. RIP.
ATC was as useful as a used tissue
How did you hear the final words?
@@mph1ish They must have found the cockpit recorder.
THANK YOU SOOOO MUCH...for NOT revealing the END in your intro. You immediately started the presentation at the very beginning, which i SO appreciate.
Yes .
I don't understand why the controller was let off with no charges. He started using non-standard language and had several opportunities to correct the situation.
Maybe for the same reason the French tried to defend their ATR-72 when cited by the NTSB as the cause of AA flight 4124 crash.
Because he's French and the investigators were French.
They're like that...
But he didn't know he had a situation that needed correcting, did he? You are indulging in hindsight. I hope you are never on a jury.
@@anthonypreece6599 are you completely retarded? you can and should absolutely be charged and convicted of negligence endangering lives 🤦🏻♂️ there are laws in place to ensure that for very obvious reasons. a plea of ''but I didn't know'' isn't going to save you if you did not follow procedures and the book 100%.
man, it's annoying when idiots like you suffix a comment with '''I hope you never...''' when you are the one totally lacking common knowledge and are talking pure nonsense...
@@anthonypreece6599 Doesn't matter. Nonstandard language. The rules are there for a reason, and the controller broke them. The pilots "didn't know they had a situation that needed correcting" either. Hope you're never on a jury
*Authorities seem to have covered up for the ATC very well.*
How did they "cover up" for them?
@@csolivais1979 It seems the ATC sounded like they are just responding like a robot, not thinking much.. perhaps the lack of radar facility was a crucial issue
A holding pattern in mountainous terrain is never a good idea. The sea was right there to the west….
It's France, it must be complicated
Again, a very well edited video. Special thanks for the animation which demonstrated the differences between the actual flight path and the controller's concept of it
It's funny; I get impatient when I see these videos pop up in the feed as I feel like it will take too much time to get to what happened, so I went to Google and put in the airline and flight number and they have the accident on Wikipedia. I read over it, but it didn't make sense; why the controller thought one thing, and the crew was doing another. Then, I figured I have to watch it, and appreciated the flight path vs. what exactly the controller was envisioning.
This flying pattern they had to follow made me confused as well, especially since these pilots are new to this area.
I'm not a pilot, but it made perfect sense to me. The holding pattern would have been fully documented - speed to be flown, direction of turn, length of leg (time or distance), direction of legs and Minimum Holding Altitude (MHA). The pilots will have been familiar with holding patterns, even if they hadn't flown this particular one. However, they still deviated from two of the parameters - speed and MHA. The confusion with ATC was a contributing factor, but if the pilots had maintained MHA while in the pattern, the accident would have been avoided.
The poor fo's kid getting a front row view of that mountain while hearing whoop whoop pull up...I'm gonna go curl up now.
The countdown to the disaster is so spine chilling yet so realistic. This is so scary and sad.
Appreciate the hardwork you put in your videos. Been a subber since 2017 :)
As a now retired former military and American Airlines pilot, it never ceases to amaze me how people get themselves into these situations. First of all, and especially while in IMC conditions, you always need to know where you are and where the ground is. Secondly, using non standard phraseology can easily lead to mis communication. You need to always be 100% clear about communicating. And if there’s any doubt, or something is not exactly clear or doesn’t make sense, ask before you proceed. Lastly, if in IMC and descending on your approach and the GPWS goes off, respond immediately! You can figure out what went wrong later when you know you are safely clear of obstacles. Very sad.
Good feed-back - it is basically applicable in every area of life . I’ve been watching a lot of these videos to enhance my competency in life or at least understand.
It's sad that they decided to play it safe by doing the approach the way they were meant to, but that since following the rules was so unheard of, the controller didn't understand that they were over land. Playing it safe actually made things more dangerous. But aside from this, I think it makes a lot more sense to do your holding pattern over the sea: for the sake of avoiding things like mountains and also in case of accident, protecting the people on the ground.
I think the controller should've been held responsible, he should've heard the crew saying "holding pattern" multiple times
And the fact that the airport had no radar systems is a red flag in my opinion
@@norman6492 . Having no radar system, at an ap that has never gotten a radar system, is a red flag FOR WHAT??
@@johnrogers9481 Disaster 🤔
@@johnrogers9481 Disaster. Didn't you see what happened because control didn't have radar?
How dare you blame someone who made an actual error, and not the pilots. 🙄
I wanted them to miss that mountain so bad. I found myself shouting at my phone " fcuk sake just pull up, pull up " but It was their time unfortunately.
God bless all 173 passengers and 7 crew members may they rest in peace 🙏
If the pilots' reaction to the gpws were frustrating, the Santa Barbara flight 518 was even more so. I have yet to see a pilot overcome the warning and wonder why there was no fix on that issue. They might as well have the gpws say "whoop whoop, you're fcked "!
Because they don't make videos out of ones where they pull up and avoid crashing.
@James Talbot actually he does have videos of just that. There is a certain video, I forget the details at the moment, but they miss a mountain by less than 1,000 feet of altitude.
@@User31129 Is that the one where they actually skimmed the tops of some trees?
Love this channel! Just woke up here in NZ, instead of getting up right away and grabbing coffee to wake me up, I’m watching this instead 🥳
Nothing like the tragic deaths of 180 people to give that jolt to the system. Imagine watching a plane crash into a school bus. Who needs coffee right.🤷♂️
Being an ex New Yorker and then living in Hawaii,I put off the coffee for a while when I woke up on September 11, 2001.!
If there is no radar; WHY is the controller giving instructions blindly?!!
My first thought was where the heck was the radar. So many links in this accident chain could have been broken. So sad.
Exactly
In 1981 a lot of smaller regional airports did not have radar.
Isn't it awfully convenient they have NO Radar until AFTER an accident of this magnitude though? Why not have it installed FIRST? You'd think they'd see that one coming...
@@NickDalzell becuse it was 1981, radar was expensive and not that good in mountainous territory. Also, how many 1000s of flights had flown the same route with no issues? Had the pilots followed their chart, they would of flown at the correct speed and never been closer than 4000 feet above the mountains.
@K O because of the lack of radar, that we have already talked about, he thought that they were over the ocean. . And had they told the controller that they were forbidden to fly under 4,000 feet because of the chart, it would of alerted the ATC that the plane wasn't where he thought it was.
Edited to add: Had to go back and re-watch it to make sure, but the reason I mentioned speed was that if they had flown the pattern at the correct speed, they would of not been over the mountain they hit.
Extremely well done video. Great graphics. A tragic accident of misunderstandings. Rgds from Canada.
I suggest a video about Independent Air flight 1851, a
Boeing 707 that crashed into a mountain in Santa Maria Island in february, 1989.
Watching videos like this make you think of never flying again it's scary enough being way up there in the sky and not know if anything could go wrong but when you hear another pilot tell another plane to move up and he don't the other plane crash watching these videos make me think twice about getting on one again
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Thanks for the video, Tfc!
I spent two decades controlling aircraft. The impact of losing a plane like that, even when exonerated of blame, would nevertheless be devastating. Just watching this video brings tears to my eyes.
I was thinking that. You may get off on a technically, but if 180 lives were lost do your own misunderstanding...you can never rationalize that, ever!
My question is, how do you misunderstand "holding pattern"? He was told that several times. Was he having a bad day? Was he thinking of something else? That doesn't sit right with me. But I do understand we're all human and we make mistakes. I guess we should all pay more attention in anything we do.
great video, i also liked the coubtdoqn to disaster briefly shown in red. however, id like to see the "in memorium" tag line at the end increased to a larger font AND be shown a few seconds longer maybe, it just needs to be more prominent, and not a tiny blip at the very end.
I totally agree! ... I keep mentioning this every now and then but TheFlightChannel never seems to take any notice. It is all about respect, isn't it? I always go back and pause a while on the 'in memorium tag line' just out of respect to all those who lost their lives! Thanks for mentioning it too!
You really outdid yourself on this one. The graphics and explanations were outstanding.
I can’t wait to see the simulated explaining of the recent Dallas disaster.. So sad
Best aeronautical accidents channel
Let's put all the aircraft arriving our airport into a holding pattern over mountainous terrain instead of over the water. What could possibly go wrong?
It's perfectly safe, as long as the pilots read their flight manuals correctly and abide by the altitude restrictions for the location and holding pattern they are flying. These pilots didn't.
@@timonsolus I disagree with your point.there is no margin for error and we are all human.
@@timonsolus But they did. There was a miscommunication on where they were, so they were cleared by the controller to a lower altitude than they should have been. No controller is going to clean a plane to a negative altitude, so having the holding pattern out over the water would have eliminated one potential danger. I'm sure there was a reason the approach was laid out that way, but it was very frustrating to see how close they were to open water and then watching them crash into a mountain. Seems like something could've been set up different to take the mountains out of the equation.
VERY WELL done video. Graphics and explanations are exceptional.
Holding patterns are an endurance maneuver so you should fly it a lot slower.
Cannot fathom how the controller escaped some blame, and perhaps the holding pattern is now over the sea. Clearly the crew didnt believe the proximity warning and should bear almost all of the blame; this accident, together with many others ultimately happened for that same reason and I believe it is now taught as a respond irrespective of whether the belief is that the electronics are giving a false warning. RIP.
Sadly this same story has happened so many times, even to US flagged carriers
Every time a disaster includes error or misunderstandings with the ATC….I can’t help but think how horrible and guilty the person giving the wrong information or contributing to the misunderstanding must feel. Everyone makes mistakes at work, but I can’t imagine making a mistake that leaves people dead. It’s heartbreaking all around….
Great video, thank you.
thanks, another superb recreation of the events, very sad outcome.
This is a bit like the Dan Air Flight 1008 crash in 1980 on approach to Tenerife.
"In memory of" message at end of these videos needs to be up longer. At video end on Android other possible videos pop up. No time to read "In memory of" sentence.
May god rest all their souls in peace.such a tragic accident that should not have happened.xxx.
I’m a non pilot. Zero experience flying whatsoever, but for years now I’ve been watching simulations, animations and some basic instructional videos here on RUclips. Being a pilot really seems like an incredible job, yet at the same time, there are so many factors where basic misunderstandings or even variables that are completely out of one’s control result in potentially fatal outcomes. I know that flying is by far the safest means of transportation, but the margin for error is razor thin.
Sad that it takes the loss of 180 people to make changes
@Stevi Robinson puppets of what...
@@kirilmihaylov1934 that guy just wants attention
That was very well presented. Congratulations on such good work.
A terrible and sad set of events.
Off topic, but it was always a thrill to use the steps under the tail of the MD-80.
It's amazing that there was not more tragedies in the early days of aviation! Pilots and ATC had no real radar with much information and lacked so many safety systems that sadly came about after accidents happened. RIP to all lost in the prehistoric aviation days that make today's travels so much safer.
As usual, a very clear and thorough analysis. Helps to keep the old brain working.
@TheFlightChannel - I've love to see FedEx Flight 705 through your amazing story telling! Thanks for sharing these!
There was several md 80s taking off without flaps causing accidents then the Alaska airlines accident, all while I was flying md 80s everywhere. It robbed me of my love for flying. That doesn’t include the dc-10s crashing everywhere too in the early 80s
I can never be the first one to comment here. This channel is just too popular 😆
Another great video as always!
I was thinking why the hell did the tower not see where the plane was, only at the end it is revealed they have no radar. Geez.
Please do TWA flight 800
When a crash with no survivors and The Flight Channel plays the sad music, I can’t help to think all the people that perished. I also think of theirs beloved ones. It’s so sad 😭
Thanks!
Love the channel, you just get better every video. The Smithsonian’s Air Disasters could use your stuff for episodes
Wow, awesome video...!
seing stuff like this gets me so mad . u have 180 ppl on board and the captain fails to do the most basic stuff ...
Please do one with Conntinental Express flight 2574!
I never miss single video of yours
Very sad one, RIP all
The controller had NO RADAR???? Incredible.
That controller should have been fired and banned from the industry. Absolutely unacceptable series of mistakes, even after the pilot repeats back information that did not line up with the controller's assumptions.
Speaking about Yugoslavia and ATC Failures, do a video about tragic midair collision between JAT DC-9 and BA Trident near town of Vrbovec....
Thanks alway excellent
Interesting how such experienced crewmen failed to immediately respond to the Ground Proximity Warings by delaying for 9 crucial seconds! 9 seconds just "caught in headlights" unresponsiveness, if you are not trained and ready when disaster strikes this can be the tragic response. Sad sad so very sad.
Maybe they refuse to use their brains. They're over automated and think computers are intelligent
Not yet, and thanks God😐
@@teslaelectro9657 I have to agree with you about an over reliance on digital or computer technology in just about anything including aviation. I totally hate the BIG Lie automation makes flying safer. No! Makes flight management easier and errors less likely, yet is not the fix all to a myriad of problems a single flight could encounter. AVIATE, Navigate, Communicate. Without the first the last two points are moot.
@@byronharano2391 that's what I meant , yes
And maybe the ERROR is in the courses and teachers and fashion, overestimating technology and relaxing procedures (and brains🙂)
It's not just that, but that older warning systems tended to give a lot of false positives, and would sometimes go off when there was actually no danger, so it would be easier to rationalize "this isn't happening"
@K O 9 sec to impact.
You are very correct
I thought the MD 80s had not yet came out in 1981. Knew they were talking about them as part of the DC 9 family, but thought it was later than '81.
Learn something new...
A Flight Channel video is a treat that I always look forward to and you never disappoint. I’d heard of this tragedy through other videos, but this channel delivers the best experience.
What IS that music though? I absolutely love it as it’s so appropriate for the point in the video that it’s used. Easy to blame the controller for this, but at the time there wasn’t the emphasis on standard phrasing etc and you can’t judge either ATC or the crew by today’s exacting standards, which have come about because of accidents such as this.
How SAD! This one made me cry.
You are sick in membrane
To waive the music was a good idea, thanks.
See this is the 💩 that piss me off... it was the controller's fault ... his clear of any wrong doing... there was no upgrading to the equipment or change of pattern... which it should changed years ago.. because this route is stressful. Plus, this was the crew first time flying this route... It was disaster waiting to happen.. I'm livid because why people had to die in this crash including the crew.. over mishandling things that could of been fixed years ago? People had to die for companies to make changes? 😡😡😡😡😡😡
Great video mate, keep going!
Can you make videos of these 2 accidents (Si Fly Flight 3275 (KSV3275)) and (2006 Slovak Air Force Antonov An-24 crash)
How awful. My prayers to these families of the lost. Such a huge communication fail.
Very interesting as always, but it’s mentioned that ATC was cleared of blame what about the pilots? I do believe that aviation should be a no blame culture as this far more effective at saving lives than handing out blame, but the crew checked with ATC no less than 3 times about the flight level, that alone should have triggered ATC that possibly something was off. A misunderstanding on both sides but there was many opportunities on both sides for this to have been picked up so sad, but does give me more understanding on why it’s important that correct terminology is used.
It's so sad people have to die before any upgrades are been made to save life
I'm sure someone asked, but just curious. The intro states they first were to use a DC9 but then decided upon a MD81. Thereafter you're describing the MD81 yet the jet depicted in the background has DC9 printed on the plane. Did I misunderstand something? Sorry just trying to help. I'm a long time many year subscriber. I love and appreciate your hard work, I am just trying to figure it out. Plus I know how much you appreciate attention to detail and accuracy as well. Thanks so much.
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How did the ATC not see they were still in the holding pattern and going too fast?
The ATC had no radar set. This airport didn't have one back in 1981. He was completely reliant on radio transmissions from the aircraft for information.
Quite astonishing that the flight crew were seemingly oblivious that they were flying over mountains and blindly followed the instruction to descend, even if the area was unfamiliar to them. That's what preflight briefings and charts are for.
How can an ATC issue any altitude order without a radar at his disposal to know the location of the airplane?
Different time, different rules.
Le contrôleur avait un fort accent français
@@misterf2785 Avec un soupçon d'accent corse ?
@@leonmareno4599 Non, il était un ancien militaire provenant du Nord Pas de Calais
@@misterf2785 Merci pour ta réponse. Je suppose que ça a du le perturber. Qu'est ce que je n'aimerais pas faire ce boulot de contrôleur. Trop peur de me planter !
I've seen several of these videos where the crew failed to pull up in time to avoid the terrain. Maybe they need to make the low terrain warning come on sooner. 🤔 🤷♂️
Would it make any sense for the low terrain warning to be automatic? I understand the gremlins that may be involved but the alternative is death. If necessary, the flight crew could override the automatic response.
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ATT was cleared of all charges. Won't be the first time authorities let off manslaughter so as to save face. Shame on him and his stupid deadly presumptions and assumptions. He killed them.
I really don't know anything about this stuff, but I kept thinking, wouldn't the controller see the plane's location on his scope. Then near the end it said that the airport was not equipped with radar. I guess that answered my question. Am I correct? Thank you.
"At the time of the accident, the Ajaccio airport had no radar system." -wiki
That's nothing short of criminal, but back then lots of people only wanted your money, and were willing to commit essentially criminal acts to get it from you.
@@cchris874 it was 1981. Price of radar for smaller airports wasn't deemed necessary
@@csolivais1979
Do you think radar at smaller airports was prohibitively expensive back then?
Why not establish the holding pattern to the SW of the VOR instead of to the NE so circling decent is done over water and away from the mountains? Unless it complicates management of inbound traffic from the west, it seems it would be a much simpler and safer alternative
I know they're similar, but could we decide if it was a DC 9, an MD 80 or an MD 81?
Why aren't pilots trained to PULL UP the second they hear the "TERRAIN, TERRAIN, PULL UP" alarm, and add power BEFORE they try to figure out what's happening?
The MD-81 was so new, you used imagery of a DC-9 throughout. 🙂
Anyway, it's amazing how imprecise language can cause so much confusion. So sad.
yes emotions and more emotions, stress and everything what can block your brain for logical thinking.. that is what you need to avoid in stressful situations and usually there is abundance of those emotions when stress is high..
As soon as I saw MD81, I just knew it would be a problem