Andrew Tate and Ancient Ideas About Women
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Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
3:46 Who is Andrew Tate?
5:42 What is Tate’s Matrix?
7:39 Women caused the fall of the Roman Empire?
10:34 The Myth of Women Bringing Down Mankind
11:36 Mark Anthony and Cleopatra
12:51 Thais: The Woman Who brought down Persepolis
21:25 Men Going Their Own Way MGTOW
22:34 The Great Awokening
24:45 The Legitimacy of the Male Malaise
26:44 Writing a New Script for Masculinity
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The infuriating thing with Tate is that despite his mother being the one who did all of the heavy lifting of actually being a present parent for their entire life he absolutely ADORES his father who not only abandoned his mother but often verbally abused her in front of the kids, letting her know that he didn't stay around because she had expectations!
The crime of demanding your partner to be exactly that, a partner!!!
He wanted a servant and she refused to bow.
How funny that Tate has become a man who demands the same of women that his father failed to get out his mother.
The role bad fathers play in their son's development must not be under stated.
He has nothing but contempt for people who do the heavy lifting in society. It's all about being bigger, badder, and wealthier than every other man on the planet. Proving himself to his father.
I think the main problem with Tate is that he has a black parent.
@@Steven-ze2zk- And out comes the racism.
@@Steven-ze2zk He had an irresponsible, abusive and absent father. What ever his ethnicity he was a poor excuse of a man, partner and father.
@@julietfischer5056 It was just a joke, man. Don't take it seriously.
What I hate the most of Tate's (and others') discourse is that force men to fit in a very restricted role. It's a "if you don't like this you're not a man" type of model which is terribly damaging to men themselves. We're all humans and as humans we have many dimensions and many ways to go about things. Telling someone if you're not this you're nothing it's horrible.
Unlike feminism, which brands you toxic and tries to destroy your life if you don't fit their role.
@@CowMaster9001 lol, what? Are strawmen arguments the only thing you're capable of?
he rips men off in his Ponzi scheme .... he's no even pro-men just pro himself
@@CowMaster9001 Uh? Who said anything about feminism?
If trans is correct then so are Tate and the others either being masculine is a certain set of traits and a role or its genetic. Pick one.
There’s not much out there that makes me as giddy as an educated woman ripping misogynist arguments to shreds with facts
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@@teddiemack8071 what
As long as you’re equally giddy when misandrists disguised as feminists get equally ripped to shreds with said facts, I couldn’t agree more
Making you “giddy” suggests a lack of compassion for the fact that even those labelled “misogynists” are human beings worthy of empathy. This traditional value is what most of these “vacuums” are eluding to but unfortunately there is so much prejudice against this point of view that any support quickly has you slapped with a label and your voice silenced.
@@teddiemack8071- You met a couple of women who didn't like you, so all feminists hate men?
The idea that Alexander the Great and all his assembled armies worked on the drunken whims of one persuasive lady does have amusing echoes of Lysistrata...
I feel like Andrew Tate watched one day a documentary about how women were treated in the early 20th century and was like: yes, that's great, why don't we do that nowadays as well?
I really enjoyed this video. Sometimes I struggle to describe how being a feminist doesn't mean you don't care about men's issues, you did a great job with that.
And being part of the anti-abolition movement doesn't mean you don't care about the problems your slaves have.
@@CowMaster9001 wow dude, are you even able to make a coherent and rational argument?
Being feminist men's yo care about men because men's issues can effect women.
@@clwho4652 Everyone is negatively affected when the people we love or our wider community suffer, not just women. Maybe I’m just lucky not to be surrounded by bad people.
@@celiagilson1842 That is part of what I was saying. Its like the old saying "no man is an island".
I’ve got a friend who took the bait hard. His girl left him and he’s in a bad custody battle which is just adding fuel to the fire I’ve tried to talk sense into him but he just won’t let go of the whole “I should be able to sleep with anyone but she can’t” bullshit and I’m just like dude what about your kid? He’s started to not care if he misses his days with his son and it’s all just really sad like he was a really great guy and had an awesome life.
I hope things turn around for your friend. Tate's philosophy will absolutely destroy the lives of normal men, I hope people start realizing that. Only uber rich can pull off what he's doing and even then they seem to be failing at what matters most because they don't think of the consequences of multiple women and children without present dads - think of Elon Musk - he has all those kids from different women and a child has already emancipated themselves from him. Clearly all the money and worldly success meant nothing to that kid. Rather be poor with an involved father who isn't a slave to their lusts like a hungry ghost
Excellent work! I found this part to be especially powerful: "We have seen through the rise of the popularity of people like Andrew Tate that the cultural task of helping men grow and prosper cannot be neglected. And the opportunity to write a new pro-social script for masculinity, one that is empowering, supportive, and celebratory of men, is necessary."
Honestly society is so terrible I do not even want to see what this new masculinity it would create would be! One thing you can be sure of, it will be about control!
I'd rather see a script that's supportive and celebratory of humans. Some division of perception and ideal along gender lines is inevitable as long as men and women have considerably different experiences in society, but I think the closer we can get to having a universal script of what a decent human is, instead of having to measure ourselves by gender or allot aspects of character by gender, the better for everyone.
I agree, but it's frustrating. I liked the portion on male malaise. Women and minorities have had to work harder achieve what they have, and their success is well-deserved. I do think men need something positive to work towards, but it often feels like they feel "entitled" to success without putting in the work towards achievement or merit. I'm wondering where these young men's fathers are and why they end up going to Tate for advice. I feel like other men should be the ones to write this new "script for masculinity" but I don't see a lot of men stepping up to the plate in this regard.
Men are constantly demonised and criticised by the mainstream. Is it really a surprise that so many young men are drawn to figures like Tate when he is one of the few figures that actually supports them?
@@petereames3041 I really don't think that is true. At least not any more than women and minorities are. Problematic men, like Tate, are criticized for their actions and words, and that's to be expected. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences. Tate very openly demonizes and criticizes women. Just because men are being held to higher standards doesn't mean men should just become reactionary and hateful. Tate doesn't even "support" men, he cons them out of money and grooms them.
I'm in tears right now. Thank you so very much, Cinzia.
I am a liberal, white, cis, gay man. I was raised in a heteronormative but not overtly oppressive nuclear family. My father was well-meaning but often unsure what to do with me because even though he wasn't all chest beating aggressively macho, he was a Navy man who liked to work on cars, build things, tinker with electronics, drink beer, and occasionally make misogynistic jokes. However, he also loved folklore, fantasy novels, renaissance festivals, arts & crafts, and had taken ballet off and on for most of his minority. In short...he was from Oregon.
The point is, I grew up feeling like I wasn't masculine enough...not a revelation for a gay guy to have issues with feeling like a man. However, because the version I had in my life to emulate was less Andrew Tate and more...if Bob Ross and Mike Rowe had a love child, my role model of masculinity seemed attainable...at least subconsciously. It has been like a carrot dangling in front of me on a string. This has led to a weird sort of limbo where I readily and enthusiastically ally myself with the feminist cause, but I also have some base need to be a protector, provider, and/or engineer of chivalry in the lives of women around me.
The way you spoke of men who feel left behind and unsure of their place in the wake of the rise of women's freedom and success, but are also emotionally and mentally invested in that swell of liberation for women, made me feel seen. This feeling of wanting the best for a group that I know, academically, is marginalized; but also never being completely sure if I am overstepping or being domineering is almost like a condition I feel I am chronically masking in order to not offend. it's like a limerence in a non-romantic way.
Thank You for seeing me.
thank you Matthew. all we ask is that men listen to us. we aren't all crazy
@@dragonfox2.058 Hell, even I ask more than that for women. It's not enough to just listen.
Also, I never even intimated that women are crazy.
@@matthewhines9787 thank you..of course you didn't intimate that...many men do however think that we're all sorts of things we're not. And that stems from patriarchal propaganda whcih also hurts men
Honestly, society makes wanting to live off-grid look very tempting
I'm in awe of your masterful understanding of historical context, and how clearly you relate the past to the present.
thank you lovely Leslie!
@@CinziaDuBois You're very welcome. You're great!
Good thing someone is smart enough to have the conversations I'm too dumb for.
You're not dumb at all. The reason I know this is you're willing to listen and learn. Always something to be applauded.
@@MrGorillafist Dumb-to-Smart is a 4-Dimensional Tesseract-shaped spectrum that exists in 3 planes of reality.
I am indeed to dumb to speak about misogyny in prevty much any regard or form, yet that I'm smart enough to learn and do better is irrelevant in my opinion.
What an unexpected and brilliant topic! I love that you mention that we need to also bring men up with us. To leave them aimless with their old paradigm destroyed helps no one.
Tate is a funny guy, like really funny, unintentionally speaking. There's a video where he complains about his brother eating sushi, where he claims that easting T-bone stake makes you tougher than someone eating sushi. He's the epitome of fragile masculinity, a complete clown.
I’m pretty sure that was a joke...
So glad I'm not on your side of the fence. You sound like a broken person.
@@petereames3041Sure it was
This.. same with Joe Rogan fans who are seeing the twilight of the gods apon them and their ideals.
I only first heard of Tate a few weeks ago, and much as I immediately didn't like him, I was still truly shocked by the recent revelations of his (alleged) crimes. How the hell did someone like that ever have a public profile for months or years without those things ever coming to light?
Because they are so clearly fabricated.
Bribes. He said him self that he constatly bribes the police and specifically moved to romania because it is easier to bribe the police there + harder for women(a.k.a his victims) to get help
@@youtherthyfproduction5005 No he didn’t. He said that every country in the world is corrupt to a certain extent. In Romania though bribery is more accessible to poor people and not just the rich like in The West.
@@RussellTurner Why are you even here?
@@lizjolly5454 Errrr, because I am a subscriber to the channel. Is that ok with you or not?
It's refreshing to see a nuanced take on what is such a complex issue. It's not an us versus them issue, men and women are all in this together.
You make a very important point at the end. We absolutely cannot allow for this “us” vs “them” rhetoric. It is scary to think that there are people out there that think like Andrew Tate and agree with him. It’s scary to think that young men who lack direction find this kind of awfulness appealing. But if we don’t approach this with compassion and understanding then I really fear that there is a huge threat of regression. I can see that young men are struggling to find the right places that feel welcoming yet don’t peddle this anti-women sentiments, however they do exist. I work in a very male dominated field and I have many male friends and I wish that more of the guys who think that women are just “good for one thing” understood that actually the most rewarding relationship that you can have with anyone is the one when you can talk about things that interest you without thinking about whether the other person will eventually sleep with you.
you can thank feminism for the us vs them mentalitiy thats the scary part
My opinion is that both a patriarchy and a matriarchy can be equally opressive. But I got no ideas on what would be an alternative to both.
I really just don't understand what happened to the idea that we, as a species, should (not choose, but just simply do) treat one another with the equality and respect due unto them.
People point to past empires like the Romans as the ideal - citing examples that citizens didn't need to work etc....they forget they may not have had to work because they had slaves.
I love the part where you discussed men working off a different script in a time when the script has changed. Does anyone have recommendations for influencers who are getting it right but are also popular? I'd love to see examples who can reach that teen to young adult demographic without sacrificing the message.
It's not really his focus at all, but the youtuber Ordinary Things mentioned Tate in his 2022 recap and said "Andrew Tate sells money, lust and power, but my dad would tell you that's just surface level sh*t, real men go after success, love, and responsibility. I know the difference seems subtle, but it's important, work hard, learn to take responsibility for your actions and make sure the people around you know how you feel about them. That is what being a man is all about"
Check out the speach prof.
My recs don’t focus only on masculinity but they cover it often and even have a few videos as the focus. And they don’t just talk about what’s toxic but what a healthy and whole masculinity can look like: FD signifier, cinema therapy, cold crash pictures, T1J, pop culture detective, and the speech prof. Also Trevor Noah has a video reflecting on/ discussing men and intimacy that I think is great.
@@chaoticreckless I have mixed feelings about that kind of message. Sure, it's definitely a more positive take on masculinity than what's offered to young men by people like Tate (though admittedly, it'd take some kind of interdimensional limbo champion to get under that bar), but I think the underlying implications of that kind of gender division can still be lowkey insidious. In a way, it suggests that those things, such as hard work and personal responsibility, are the province of men. I appreciate the aim for genuinely admirable and healthy qualities, and in general I do think OT is probably a much more positive role model than a lot of the options out there, especially no doubt for the flood of fans that came from Internet Historian, whose audience base sadly tends on the misogynistic and socially/emotionally immature side. However, ideally I think it best for men, and for everyone, that rather than ascribing a new social script to men specifically in the form of some masculine ideal, no matter how well intended or conscientiously crafted, that everyone, regardless of gender, is guided not to be a great man or a great woman, but a great person. That upholding principles of responsibility, honesty, courage, humility, hard work, etc., is not and should not be a gender-specific pursuit. It's just being a decent human. Period. And we should all try to.
@@wildcatste All good recommendations.
I'd add to that Danny Gonzalez and the Green Brothers, neither of whom specifically cover gender issues, but who generally put forth principles and display behavior that I think sets a very positive example.
We look forward to more insightful content from you. Keep up the good work.
Exceptional video. Thank you, Cinzia, this was important x
Really enjoyed the video. I’ve never thought of the emancipation of men on that level. Your right. We do need a new script for men but I’m afraid that script may be a long time coming because some men seem to be too scared to change the narrative. 😥
Great work as per usual. I really love your work... So enlightening.
If that was a thought process then Bravo. Well put together and informative. Thanks
Much appreciated!
Your discussion at the end is such a good way to charactise things we need to understand better.
The very impressed new subscriber
Brilliant work! The necessary work of transforming traditional views of masculinity is key. Thank you for calling us all to this work (from a man getting on in years...).
Great video, Cinzia!
Very insightful and resourceful video as always
Glad you think so!
It's difficult for me to get beyond the words disgusting individual and, unfortunately, man, when thinking about Tate so I appreciate your creating a positive video starting with him. Hopefully it will help contribute to a more rational discourse.
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Of course the Lady of the Library rips the "I hate Books" Dude to shreds :D very well done.
I love your video. Thank you for sharing this.
You are so welcome!
i felt so heard in the male malaise bit and onward. man it just dont feel good for a lot of us. it would be nice to know that someone cared. it really is so tiring.
This has become my favorite RUclips channel, even when the subject matter is repellent, it's a joy to see a new video is out.
A much needed and beautifully done video ✨chef's kiss✨
Wonderful video as always. I have to say, though, that what I enjoyed most was the bit at the end. There are some really powerful statements there that I feel should be the biggest takeaway from this discussion, and the biggest driver of discussion on the topic in the future. Rather than outright condemnation, some level of understanding and support.
Amazing video. Thank you!
Great video with a great message to close it.
It's so nice to see someone treat the situation of young men in today's world with a level head. Normally I just get either people telling me all women are just evil, which is ridiculous, or people making fun of men and saying we're all pathetic, it got so bad I started questioning if an actual human connection could be made or if every woman I meet would just be obsessed with hating me for how I was born (which has happened to me multiple times with girlfriends or female friends eventually showing how much they truly despise me) so this video restores a bit of my faith in humanity
I've never met a woman who fits the raving man-hater stereotype. Ever. Do they exist somewhere? Sure, yeah. Every type of person exists somewhere. But if every woman you know, including your own partners and friends, *hate you,* it's time to stop blaming ¨angry feminism¨ and look inward, friend. : P
@@l.s.d.5863 I deleted my previous response because I didn't feel like explaining myself to a complete stranger, I understand what you're saying, and with the limited information I gave, it's a totally reasonable response, but suffice it to say it's much more complicated than that
I hope you find the connection you are looking for, and good for you for not accepting unbalanced extremes that define one half or the other as one certain way. We're all individuals and need to connect as individuals! Wishing you all the best. 🙂
@@l.s.d.5863 if all the men start hating you, time to look inward, "friend".
Ohhh, I can’t WAIT for this one!!! 😆
Thank you for this perspective, it opened my eyes to make issues I've struggled to comprehend.
Glad it was helpful!
So looking forward to this! I’ll always wait for your content!
Once again you have hit it out of the park girl! So all well stated!
I forgot how much I enjoyed watching your videos. Thank you!
I have been a fan of yours for some time now.
I am now even a bigger fan, for your wit and intelligence, your honesty and for your wisdom (fueled, as such nearly always is, by compassion).
Powerful statement at the end!
Yes, we can only do this together.
Wow, thorough breakdown and excellent conclusion.
beautifully put, thank you so much.
You translating "εταίρα" as "cool girl" is so based! Have you ever thought about making a video on hetairai in general or on a particular one, like Rhodopis/Dorica?
sorry I’m afraid I can’t take credit for that at all. I said “call girl” 😅 I’m not based at all
@@CinziaDuBois lmao, I thought you were saying "cool girl" as well. Your lovely accent makes people hear things that aren't there, I guess. 🤣
Very nicely put, 👏
This was so insightful, thanks!!
Amazing video thank you
Fantastic video - more people need to see this.
I mean when you where mentioning the things that Romain empire I always remember the fact they drank from led cups...lol
Absolutely wonderful video
Glad you enjoyed it
Maybe we should set him up with Bear Ears, what a dynamic duo that would make!
Well said, and thank you.
from 24:45 onward perfectly incapsulates my feelings and thoughts on this subject!
wonderfully put.
Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people - Eleanor Roosevelt
A wonderful and insightful video as always ^_^
Thank you kindly!
Excellent video, as somebody who is very passionate about feminism, sociology and history, this was a wonderful blend. Would be keen on more retrospective analysis of modernity through the lens of history in the same vein.
You summed it up perfectly.
this was a very good video. you have a very nuanced take
I appreciate that!
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We love you Cinzia!!!
I love the closing statement so much!!
Such a refreshing perspective. Love it! Newer subscriber and thoroughly enjoying your content thus far :) Keep up the amazing work!
Awesome! Thank you!
Very interesting, thank you
Glad you enjoyed it
At about 28:00 you mention how important it is for women to care about the well being of men. I think I fell in love with you when you said that! I've been thinking and saying that for years. Thank you for pointing this out Cinzia!
Men also need to stop shaming men for having basic human emotions and acknowledge that anger is an emotion. Men need to let each other cry, grieve and geek out when they need to. Women want men to be happy and healthy; we don’t want men to be broken, unhappy and lonely. But men need to do the work to get there. I’m happy to walk the road with you and encourage you when the road gets hard, just don’t make me responsible for the map.
@@miller_niki1982
In fact, men aren't the only ones who seem to forget how anger is an emotion.
Everytime I hear women say they want their men to me more emotional it's only about sadness. And I mean ONLY sadness.
@@miller_niki1982 Please practice what you preach. Show some compassion to a man who's having a rough time.
@@LuisTheFilmHack I’m so sorry you’re having a rough go of it, I genuinely am.
@@gilgameshkingofheroes5903 Well, that’s not very helpful of those women. I’m not really interested in dating men, but I am raising two boys and I want them to be emotionally intelligent and open with how they’re feeling, be able to properly understand consent, and set healthy boundaries. I don’t shame or mock them for crying, showing joy when they’re happy or being angry. I explain my emotions when they are confused. (Mom’s not angry, she was just scared because she couldn’t find you and sometimes scared can look like mad.) I accept that my boys and all men are people and I want them to function like people who care about others and themselves.
Thank you for such a wonderful video!You were able to point out the facts but do it in such a way that limits the offense that a person who wants to be offended can take. ! I really love your Closing statements! They make a lot of sense and they're very open minded but also very accurate! They're angles that. Should be common sense but that people are usually too blinded by emotion to take the time to look at and really think about it.
Thanks!
Thank you for your great work. Gretings from a fellow historian.
Very good, thank you.
You are so articulate and engaging it's inspiring! Thank you for your wonderful content
You are so welcome!
Daaaaaaaaaamn. I've heard the passion, logic, sense before, but I don't think I've heard this subject worded quite so splendidly (the last five minutes or so... your concluding thoughts)!
Such a great discussion with detailed and sourced arguments 👏
I'm actually looking forward to this video. never thought that I would utter those words when Andrew Tate in the title😂
Unrelated to the video but I absolutely love your voice
aw thank you (:
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I think this is great and I agree that we need to create a new paradigm for masculinity. I don’t think that it is the responsibility of women to do that though of course their leadership and ideas are essential. I think it is the fault of men (including me) who know that Tate & Conare peddling misogyny and toxic masculinity to offer alternate, positive views.
His cultists I try to challenge them on getting a trade and getting into construction. Too me the typical "real mans" job is in construction or manual labor. That's not to say women shouldn't be getting into construction as well. I just don't see any of his cultists actually getting into traditional Masculine careers. They all seem to want to get into the internet influencer of his line of business.
Or just toss the gender thing out and let people be.
@@mariaquiet6211 They would not change much as you think. A "genderless society" would fuel these people to no end.
I think the term toxic masculinity doesn't help because it feels like an insult and that not only makes men more angry but also prevents them investigating about it thus perpetuating the ignorance
@@heiskanbuscadordelaverdad8709 So what you are saying is that men are so fragile that we have to be careful not to associate anything negative with masculinity because if we do they will react childishly and refuse to examine negative things that men do that make things bad for women....
THANK YOU!!!!!!
I found your channel today and I find this subject very interesting. I also studied gender issues in my graduate school, but from a male perspective: how patriarchy affected father-son relationships. I studied this by looking at the relationship between characters in contemporary Brazilian novels that have this relationship at the center of their plot.
I was very interested in the bibliography of your study. If you can share some reading recommendations, I would be very grateful.
Read about Harry and king Charles
If you're unaware of it, you might find interest in Frederick the Great of Prussia, and his father. And perhaps Alexander the Great and his father, though there's far less detailed and reliable information to be had in the latter.
você poderia compartilhar tua bibliografia? quais romances que focam neste relacionamento como tema central?
@@auroramacula OI, Aurora. Vou escrever em português e usar o google tradutor pra postar uma resposta em inglês.
Na minha tese estudei 3 romances: O Filho Eterno, de Cristovão Tezza; Ribamar, de José Castello; e Galileia, de Ronaldo Correa de Brito.
Mas, tb, acabei de ler Diário da Queda, de Michel Laub.
Todos esses livros tratam da relação pai e filho.
Hi, Aurora. I will write in Portuguese and use google translator to post an answer in English.
In my thesis I studied 3 novels: O Filho Eterno, by Cristovão Tezza; Ribamar, by José Castello; and Galileia, by Ronaldo Correa de Brito.
But, also, I just read Diary of the Fall, by Michel Laub.
All these books deal with the father-son relationship.
it isn't Cleopatra's fault that Marc Antony was an idiot. Julius Caesar seemed to get along quite well with her.
well said!
As a Muslim, I found his pathetic little stunt of 'joining' Islam to try and clean his image a total disgrace. He's a sad little man who will hopefully rot for eternity in a Romanian prison.
I’m not religious, but yes, Andrew Tate is definitely an insult to not only religion but an insult of men / the human race as well.
what a great message you are right that men seem to be left behind when it comes to this new world of equality that we are trying to create. The idea that we need to write a new script for men is absolutely essential and I appreciate that this is the conclusion that you came to rather than the more misanthropic suck it up version that is often heard online
I wish somebody would realize that it's not about past vs present but right vs wrong. I am so tired of people arguing that things are wrong because they're 'outdated'. Being 'old' has nothing to do with whether it's right. There have been plenty of societies with healthy views on men and women in the past; there are plenty of NEW views that our oppressive. The answer isn't to tell men 'discard all past conceptions of masculinity and invent a new one', but 'choose the good versions of masculinity to emulate regardless of what time period they are from, not the bad ones.' And the same for women. It's not rocket science really, and it's also not really historical.
Thank you
Very excited for this 😅
The thing is I don’t know how us women can help these men, especially if they think we’re the enemy and not worth even listening to. If women have progressed by taking ownership pf our lives through education and progressing their careers and wealth; (like men have been doing this entire time) surely men need to adopt more of what’s been working for women this whole time, being better at dealing with emotions in a healthy way and busting down their own walls of their restrictive masculinity box. But it seems a lot of men prefer the comfort of living within these walls and burying harm it causes them. If het women no longer rely on men to be providers, they need to be better in other ways like bridging the emotional labour gap. I’m so glad women (in the west at least) have more autonomy now, but I’d love to see men work on their own short comings and step up too. Nothing can change if they just dig their heels in. If any men watching this have reasonable suggestions of small things us women can do to help, be my guest.
I think more men would feel better if they were objectified more. Men tend to value more physical experiences like winning a game or obtaining or creating machine. As a result men are tempted to praise woman for having the ideal physical form however women don't seem to value that as much they seem to prefer more social experiences so what is a compliment for men is not a compliment for women.
my suggestion is for women is to leave the supposed toxic society men have built and create their own
@@morgannyan2738 And how would this woman society reproduce and have children to continue itself?
@@staraptorflock3661 thats for them to figure out
@@staraptorflock3661 I don't think that would help, I've seen so many men who have body issues like dismorphia that I don't think that's the way to go, I think you meant not necessarily objectification but more like complements, appreciation, telling them they look good.
Society (not "women") is what got men into this state, and I am not going to conform to whatever society's requirements for "new masculinity" are because it will be all about control. I am going to pursue a career and the things which make me happy, and if I do not get married so be it! I wish she had discussed the issues like divorce which disproportionally effect men. This is a big reason why many men are rejecting commitment and relationships altogether.
Divorce disproportionate affects men because more often than not, women have more responsabilities in marriage, there are statistics, marriage give more living years for men and less for women, women deal with having to take care of children, work and do house chores most of the time, also, men cheat slightly more, so women ask for divorce more often than men and I'm not saying women are perfect angels.
I think this is a gender role issue that if addressed probably would lessen this scenario.
@@bluester7177 Married women live longer than single women
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Thank you for this
Wonderful video, Cinzia! Thank you for speaking on this. I love the part at the end where you point out that it's the "old script for masculinity" (aka what we call "toxic masculinity") that is holding men back and not the new found rights for women.
I've been thinking about this for years, and you've summed it up so eloquently!!
This was so good, and the ending really hits the nail on the head.
very well put. from a previous red piller myself, before things took am far right turn, I believe your perspective brings a lot of light and truth to a perspective that is going down a very dark dark place. woman should never be the only blame when life takes a left turn. so many factors at play a healthy individual can never truly put the blame on one side or gender.
One of your best videos
What I find so interesting is when one asks, what does it mean to be a woman? The answer is incredibly unrestrictive and continually expanding, but when it comes to what it means to be a man, the answer is rigidly narrow and shrinking. Excellent video.
The title has me really excited for this vid!
This will be good!!!!
I’m going to just say this - there are a ton of people talking about a healthier masculinity not caged within conservative masculinity - and those people are feminists. I know a lot of people don’t know this for some reason but it’s out there, and not to mention queer, leftist and trans men talk a lot about this! I’ve watched countless videos of men going over how masculinity is a prison the way it is constructed and why it doesn’t need to be like this etc but it just doesn’t get picked up in the algorithm for some reason. I know FD Signifier’s videos discussing the manosphere got some traction I believe but I just wish people paid more attention.
This is a fantastic message and supports the well being and rights of all people. Wonderful video!
Keep reading :)
Thank you so much!
The comment section being so imaginative💀☕️
Chill sisters or atleast watch whole podcasts instead of seeing watching tiktoks
As a trans-masc person, the last two section of this video really hit my cord. I've never had a positive male figure (father or not), and if I as a non-cis man have struggled with it, I can't imagine the struggle of people who are raised to be "manly men" who repress their emotions.
I didn’t have a perfect father, but I had one who tried in his own way, and raised a son (my brother) who views marriage as a partner and an equal.