Excellent! VDH is answering questions I've wondered about for a long time regarding Western Civilization. So clear and insightful. I'm eating this up like a hungry wayfarer who just found some sustaining and delicious food!
Awesome! He explained the vast differences of Sparta and Athens and then put those two polar opposites together like the Romans and America. And it all made sense!
Thank you VHD. I have several of your books. You helped me develop an appreciation for western culture. How different the streets of Portland, Seattle, Chicago, etc would be nowadays (summer 2020) if this was taught in high schools and colleges.
notes, 14:40 senate. is something to refine decisions from impulsive. The solution is in the balance of athenian and spartan, liberal and conservative. 15:01 the system was called republic. preclude the abuse of power. The problem of corrupt power. balance is three point, not two. the left, the right, and center.
Women in Sparta had ownership . Even in divorce a woman cold keep her fortune intact . Sparta is very falsely described by historians also Athens recovered because Sparta allowed ti to happen . The allies of Sparta (Thebes and corinth ) demanded that Athens must become a place for sheep and cattle. and that every memory of Athens must be erased from history . But spartan disagreed saying that " We will not make Greece limp" (meaning that Athens was one of the two pillars of Greeks) . and thus Athens was allowed to survive
Messenia waged war on Sparta, Hanson omits this part of history. If Sparta wasn't victorious against the Messenians, the Messenians may have been victorious against Sparta. It was this struggle for survival in constant wars that shaped Sparta. Its funny, Sparta always gets a bad rap, seems they are still victim to Athenian Propaganda. Athens at her height held more slaves than Sparta and Sparta was a good ally to its peers where as Athens ruled over its allies through an oppressive imperialism. Interestingly America's government mirrors that of Sparta more than Athens. Both these great cities our are heritage and the world is better for them both. These two city-states made each other better too. I lament so many small minded people of today to consign either to their narrow bigoted cultural relativism that seems so poplar today. That is pure ignorance.
The major problem sparta had was that they never evolved. Whereas athens did. Sparta never like changed but kept to status quote. It was her down fall.
It looks like a coven to me. Look up that Macarena dance back in 1996; in some versions the audio saying "I'm not trying to seduce you" is censored out. From what has unfold as of late, I no longer believe it was harmless fun.
10 COMMANDMENTS #4 HONER MY SABBATH DAY AND KEEP IT HOLY!!! DO YOU KNOW WHAT DAY IS GOD'S SABBATH? IT IS THE LAST DAY OF THE WEEK WHICH IS SATURDAY. WHO THEN ARE WE WORSHIPING? SATAN'S SUNDAY???
Oversimplification and misleading...in many ways but here are a few....Athens also had an infantry and it was arguably as good.....Sparta had a navy and bested the athenians on more than one occasion....the spartas had the sciences and imagination and are known for their "laconian" wit, brevity....athenians also had slavery, a type at least, in the Delian league......I dont think the Romans were all that imaginative.....and you leave out the fact that much of greek thinking was held outside of the mainland in the ionian islands and anatolian coast.....very misleading
Actually universal citizenship was granted to all subjects of Rome in 212 AD with the Edict of Caracalla. Prior to that only a man born of both parents as citizens was a citizen of Rome. This was the Spartan model. It is from this concept of citizenship that the idea of a “natural born” citizen is derived and incorporated into the US Constitution as a requirement for the presidency. It is this requirement that obama and now harris do not satisfy. Obama is the only president that failed to meet this constitutional requirement and he was an illegitimate president who must be called to account.
@@Mavo936 If you read the Federalist Papers you will see that the Constitution was modeled after the Roman Republic and not English common law. That is the reason we have a Senate and not a House of Lords. And the reason we do not have a parliament. Although certain aspects of English laws such as contract law and property law were adopted from English common law, the form of government including the structure of the executive branch was modeled after the Roman Republic. Hence the concept of a “natural born citizen” as a requirement for president.
@@ngeorgalis1 Interesting point, but I would like to remark two details. Is there a difference between a Senate and a House of Lords, legislatively speaking? One could also argue about the structure of the executive branch. I would have said that I miss the most prominent and well-known Roman positions such as consulship. What would the similarities be? Besides the point; 'natural born citizen' would have been an awful requirement, as that would mean the US would have been without legitimate politicians for its first two generations.
@@Mavo936 If you read the Constitution natural born citizenship was granted to all at the time the Constitution was ratified. Also if you read the Federalist Papers you will see that the idea of a natural born citizen, i.e. where both parents are citizens at time of birth arose from the Roman Republic idea of loyalty to the nation. A man whose parents were both citizens was less likely to have divided loyalties between the country of his mother and father. The fear was that such a man might be elected and betray the nation. Indeed the fear materialized when obama was elected as his actions were all directed toward the betrayal of this nation to it enemies. He obviously was more loyal to the land and religion of his father than to the nation that elected him.
These should air on tv every other week as PSA.
Good luck on that, the masses will always be the masses ;()
Excellent! VDH is answering questions I've wondered about for a long time regarding Western Civilization. So clear and insightful. I'm eating this up like a hungry wayfarer who just found some sustaining and delicious food!
Love Victor Davis Hanson.
Awesome! He explained the vast differences of Sparta and Athens and then put those two polar opposites together like the Romans and America. And it all made sense!
I never thought of Sparta/Athens this way before, Thank you.
Dr VDH is a national treasure imo.
Dr. VDH is a personal treasure! I am immensely grateful to have as much access to him as I do.
He made Western history into footnotes to American ideologies and imperialism. A great job!
Thank you VHD. I have several of your books. You helped me develop an appreciation for western culture.
How different the streets of Portland, Seattle, Chicago, etc would be nowadays (summer 2020) if this was taught in high schools and colleges.
Why is this not shown on 'PBS', Discovery Channel, etc.? It's this type of programming that's badly needed today.
Because it's utter anachronistic nonsense, bringing a modern day narrative to an unsuited environment
Important.
One reason the Founders/Framers gave us A Republic (if you can keep it) is they had read their Machiavelli.
@sablin
Why do you say that? You might want to read The Discourses on Titus Livy.
@@stevenwiederholt7000 You're throwing pearls before swine.
@@falcon5467
It give me something to do. :-)
Very enjoyable.
Your channel is incredible.
The man is a National Treasure..
it's a shame this is not being taught in our Public Schools
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This is the education that our youth should be receiving, not the 1619 project.
An utter lack of education might be better still, if we want to instill conservative and christian values
good job
notes,
14:40 senate. is something to refine decisions from impulsive.
The solution is in the balance of athenian and spartan, liberal and conservative.
15:01 the system was called republic.
preclude the abuse of power. The problem of corrupt power.
balance is three point, not two. the left, the right, and center.
I love VDH
VDH is a national treasure
Women in Sparta had ownership .
Even in divorce a woman cold keep her fortune intact .
Sparta is very falsely described by historians
also Athens recovered because Sparta allowed ti to happen .
The allies of Sparta (Thebes and corinth ) demanded that Athens must become a place for sheep and cattle. and that every memory of Athens must be erased from history .
But spartan disagreed saying that " We will not make Greece limp" (meaning that Athens was one of the two pillars of Greeks) . and thus Athens was allowed to survive
Messenia waged war on Sparta, Hanson omits this part of history. If Sparta wasn't victorious against the Messenians, the Messenians may have been victorious against Sparta. It was this struggle for survival in constant wars that shaped Sparta.
Its funny, Sparta always gets a bad rap, seems they are still victim to Athenian Propaganda. Athens at her height held more slaves than Sparta and Sparta was a good ally to its peers where as Athens ruled over its allies through an oppressive imperialism. Interestingly America's government mirrors that of Sparta more than Athens.
Both these great cities our are heritage and the world is better for them both. These two city-states made each other better too. I lament so many small minded people of today to consign either to their narrow bigoted cultural relativism that seems so poplar today. That is pure ignorance.
thank you for your insight!
Bibliography on Athens, Sparta and the US republic?
The major problem sparta had was that they never evolved. Whereas athens did. Sparta never like changed but kept to status quote.
It was her down fall.
The Democratic Party consists of the worst of Atherns and the worst of Sparta.
It looks like a coven to me. Look up that Macarena dance back in 1996; in some versions the audio saying "I'm not trying to seduce you" is censored out. From what has unfold as of late, I no longer believe it was harmless fun.
sablin
Your comment shows he’s right! 😁
Wow. And what is your proposal? A one-party political system? You have that in China and Cuba. Do you want to live in environments like those?
@Ken Shearson yeah... the egg or the chicken first.
I think this is a fair assessment.
We have runaway individualism.
Sooooo, the dream of Athens was to achieve something Sparta had, Hum........interesting hehe
Athens against Socrates
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Sparta wasn't as disciplined as they think. I think militarily they may have been but they were also debauched megamaniacs.
everything was good until he said "we are not a democracy". Luckily he contradicted himself later by saying "we are both".
Constitutional Republic is no democracy
The mob rules
10 COMMANDMENTS #4 HONER MY SABBATH DAY AND KEEP IT HOLY!!! DO YOU
KNOW WHAT DAY IS GOD'S SABBATH? IT IS THE LAST DAY OF THE WEEK WHICH IS
SATURDAY. WHO THEN ARE WE WORSHIPING? SATAN'S SUNDAY???
The.living.word.
Spiritual truth.
Christ.who.i.am
Oversimplification and misleading...in many ways but here are a few....Athens also had an infantry and it was arguably as good.....Sparta had a navy and bested the athenians on more than one occasion....the spartas had the sciences and imagination and are known for their "laconian" wit, brevity....athenians also had slavery, a type at least, in the Delian league......I dont think the Romans were all that imaginative.....and you leave out the fact that much of greek thinking was held outside of the mainland in the ionian islands and anatolian coast.....very misleading
I'm like number 400
Athens won because it had walls and Sparta did not.
Now let's become Roman Catholic to the core
@Zeljko Trifunovic what I'd ball religion are you involved in?
Actually universal citizenship was granted to all subjects of Rome in 212 AD with the Edict of Caracalla. Prior to that only a man born of both parents as citizens was a citizen of Rome. This was the Spartan model. It is from this concept of citizenship that the idea of a “natural born” citizen is derived and incorporated into the US Constitution as a requirement for the presidency. It is this requirement that obama and now harris do not satisfy. Obama is the only president that failed to meet this constitutional requirement and he was an illegitimate president who must be called to account.
But Anglo-saxon law is different from Roman law and its subsidiaries... Why would the concept of naturally born matter then?
@@Mavo936 If you read the Federalist Papers you will see that the Constitution was modeled after the Roman Republic and not English common law. That is the reason we have a Senate and not a House of Lords. And the reason we do not have a parliament. Although certain aspects of English laws such as contract law and property law were adopted from English common law, the form of government including the structure of the executive branch was modeled after the Roman Republic. Hence the concept of a “natural born citizen” as a requirement for president.
@@ngeorgalis1 Interesting point, but I would like to remark two details. Is there a difference between a Senate and a House of Lords, legislatively speaking? One could also argue about the structure of the executive branch. I would have said that I miss the most prominent and well-known Roman positions such as consulship. What would the similarities be? Besides the point; 'natural born citizen' would have been an awful requirement, as that would mean the US would have been without legitimate politicians for its first two generations.
@@Mavo936 If you read the Constitution natural born citizenship was granted to all at the time the Constitution was ratified. Also if you read the Federalist Papers you will see that the idea of a natural born citizen, i.e. where both parents are citizens at time of birth arose from the Roman Republic idea of loyalty to the nation. A man whose parents were both citizens was less likely to have divided loyalties between the country of his mother and father. The fear was that such a man might be elected and betray the nation. Indeed the fear materialized when obama was elected as his actions were all directed toward the betrayal of this nation to it enemies. He obviously was more loyal to the land and religion of his father than to the nation that elected him.
@@Mavo936 Read the Federalist Papers and the Constitution. You need an education.
VDH is an American treasure.