DGT Pi vs DGT Centaur Comparison✭ Gadgetify
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- Showing a few features of Raspberry Pi powered DGT Pi and adaptive chess computer DGT Centaur.
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DGT Pi is a Raspberry Pi #chess clock / computer with Stockfish and other open source engines. It can connect to a DGT chessboard to play and analyze on Chessbase products. #DGT Centaur doesn’t require a smartphone or computer and has its own E-ink display and various modes of play. It uses LED circles to show the moves.
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I just got a DGT centaur off gumtree for 150aud and really like it, the big part is how it plays, it plays more like a human then any engine I’ve versed
wow, that's a pretty good deal you got. I do think these would sell a lot better if the price was a bit lower. DGT Centaur remains one of my favorites. Not perfect but a lot of fun
Is your mike off? You don't talk much so your comparison doesn't bring much info. It's worth knowing that the Centaur doesn't have RF pieces but simple contacts, so it cannot recognize the pieces as the DGT e-board or smart board. And unless you open it to add connectors to the Raspberry Pi, you can't export your games, change the books and so on. So a very dumbed down version with very few options.
They should have a way to update the centaur. I also don't care for non replaceable batteries. PC software solves all that however I don't like playing on a screen. The plastic dgt board is about the same price as the centaur but with more options. I ordered one so I can get back into playing chess.
The cords do seem a bit annoying. How inconvenient is it rotating a wired dgt board to play black?
I have the DGT Pi for my DGT bluetooth board but to be honest I rather just connect to my PC and Fritz. I use the DGT Pi in clock mode mainly..
for analysis I agree. To be honest, I analyze my own games on my laptop without even the board and use Fat Fritz and lc0
Gadgetify how exactly do you analyze your games? Do you just set up pieces on the computer screen in the same position your game was at a certain point and it tells you what moves you could/should have made?
price comparison?
Jesus imagine here that board start talking at midnight
So what would be better for this this two lovely boards for personal training?
I suggest DGT Pi for more serious players whereas DGT Centaur is more affordable option of these two (at least based on what I paid) but it is not as flexible. DGT Centaur is great if you want to play against an adaptive engine without connection to a phone or computer
Well these things are getting better, but still some awkward things for the price point of the DGT pi. I mean the voice is silly slow, the screen on the DGT pi timer is like something from the 80's. Can't believe it's taken us until 2020 to get to this point, but we're almost there....
I think the next generation is going to be much better. There is a lot of potential there. The price should probably be a bit lower though considering the engines are open source, hardware is Raspberry Pi too
Gadgetify I feel like I’ve been waiting forever for a nice set to actually recognize the type of piece (as opposed to the presence of “some” piece). Now that we’ve finally made it here, they screw it up with that ridiculous voice. Come on man, there’s only 64 squares and 7 types of pieces, so they can pre-record 71 sound clips and make it sound human... but no, they have that ridiculous text-to-speech running at 1/2 speed. It’s also silly using that DGT pi timer (for $250!) to interact with it. Although I see there is a Bluetooth interface. Do you have a video on how the BT interface works? Is there an app that basically replaces the need for the DGT pi timer? Is it any good?
@@mensaswede4028 I couldn't test the Bluetooth option with the board because my board is not Bluetooth. It's the USB version. I'll see if there is any other way to do it over Bluetooth. Apparently, if you have a Bluetooth board, it automatically works with DGT Pi but I can't test it right now. I'll try to get my hands on one for a future video :)
Are you sure you made them play eachother ??? To me it looked like a mess, I did not know what you were doing
@@AAa-iw7zd No no. I was not playing them against each other in this video. I was just trying to show how they are different :) They just happen to follow the same opening. I will do a video in the future with Stockfish against Centaur.
Is the Centaur fun to play with? I am also not so sure about the look&feel compared to a wooden board...
I like the fact you don't need a computer. I wouldn't say it's the strongest engine. But maybe it's the adaptive engine, and I need work on my own game :) As far as the board, it is well made. I do wish the pieces were wooden like the DGT board.
I think the main problem with Centaur is it's not the cheapest. If it was let's say $150, it'd be amazing for most people.
@@Gadgetify Thanks. Did you play with the "friendly" setting on? Its supposed to be a lot stronger in the higher settings. Well, for 150USD you would be able to pick up a nice preowned Mephisto Modular MMV in Europe...
@@followyourpassion8378 no, it is pretty strong. It's just not Stockfish. Maybe I will do a video of it against one of these strong engines in the future to see. If there was an easy way to interface it with Arena compatible chess engines, it would be easier to run a longer test.
@@Gadgetify Well, "expert" setting should be around 3000 ELO. BTW a couple of months ago, I read in a forum that DGT would bring out wooden pieces for the Centaur.
@@followyourpassion8378 I had the friendly off I believe. I am probably around 2000 so it beats me anyway. I will do it in a future video. Testing it against engines.
I like the Centaurs size, display and led indication but it doesn't have piece recognition. For the DGT board I prefer an android tablet or smartphone with "chess for android" app over the DGT pi it's free and works really well. To me the main drawback of the DGT board is that it is so huge and heavy.
Hi. How do you play black agains these dgt chessboards? It seems like the dgt chessboard always play the black pieces. Thank you in advance for your reply.
OK, there are two boards. Centaur has option to easily choose white or black. The regular DGT chessboard if you connect it to your computer, you can pick white and black through the app (e.g. Chessbase Fritz, Komodo). With DGT Pi, you also have that option. I unfortunately forgot to show this.
Next time I do a video, I will set the computer to play white.
Is this the Smartboard and Centaur comparison? if so could you share your opinions and the differences between the two? eg, price, quality, ease of use, strengths etc.
im still deciding which one should i get thanks in advance! :)
DGT Centaur is a standalone e-ink smart board with a custom engine. The DGT Board works with ChessBase, Arena, and other platforms. It lets you play against Fat Fritz and Komodo on your computer. It is used at tournaments (different versions of it)
I got my Centaur for $350. The DGT Chessboard cost me around $600. The board doesn't have a computer built-in, so you will have to use DGT Pi or a cable to computer for interfacing top chess engines like Leela and Stockfish
Gadgetify any other alternatives built-in engine apart from Centaur would you recommend?
@@Zelkathz depends on really what you want to do. Centaur is convenient. You got boards like Millennium ChessGenius,
Square Off NEO & Swap which will ship later this year, King Performance chess computer, or simply just DGT Pi with a board.
Square Off is actually pretty cool with Stockfish and robotic chess movement, so the next generation will be something to watch for
@@Gadgetify Thank you for the reply, that Centaur set is what I needed, it's simple (ready-to-play) with decent strong engine built-in, and the design is great as well, but with many unanswered questions and its overpriced (at the moment $400 + shipping fees outside of US) I'm still hesitated to actually get one. I have already inquire all the questions I have to the available dealers with worldwide shipping but no response so far.
I just simply asking you if there are other alternatives to Centaur for a cheaper price. Also, are there any news regarding software update for the Centaur? I'm happy to wait since they ask a bit too much for the price as of now Thanks in advance!
What are the ELO ratings of both? Can Magnus beat either of them?
Stockfish? Stockfish (the latest version) beats anybody in the world. I don't know about Centaur. I am not sure it is rated 3000 like some say
Centaur on expert level have max. elo 2000
@@bolojang3563 That's nonsense. Indications are it's around 2700 on expert.
@@bolojang3563 I am working on a project to play Centaur against a bunch of different engines to see how strong it really is. We will see. It is definitely stronger than 2000 IMO but I could be wrong.
@@Gadgetify Let us know what your findings are. But it definitely is MUCH stronger that 2000. It completely kicks my ass at expert and I'm an 1800 and although I lose most of the time against 2000's I would get a draw or a win sometimes, just like in real life. No chance at all against Centaur on expert.
Im not a strong player but i wouldnt buy the Centaur. No updates, no piece recognition. I just bought DGT eboard. More money but future proof. And so smooth! And play online
Centaur is a fun little board for learning but I agree, they could have done it a lot better, more open, upgradable design. I wonder if anyone managed to jailbreak theirs
Not to mention the price!
@@eusie59 I think it would be worth it if they adopt a more open approach. I appreciate that they coded Centaur with open source Python code but I'd love to be able to modify the code or upgrade the engine, maybe connect it to a computer for more serious analysis.
@@Gadgetify I visit DGT tomorrow to get my board. I will ask them. They are in my hometown :)
Then again I know nothing about the codes or Python etc
@@eusie59 that is nice. I wish I could travel there to ask about this. I hope the next generation is something more modular that allows support for AI engines, maybe through a connection to a PC. They can even sell the connector for an additional $50 and that would make DGT Centaur a whole lot more useful for the pros