Urbanization in south Indian comes during sangam Litt. Cen 3 BC Vendas : chera chola pandyas Chola. Tiger. Uraiyur, kaveripattinam or puhar Chera: bow symbol. Pandyas. Fish .korkai port. Pearls In megasthanese n arthashastra mentioned. Ashoka in 2nd Edict: mentions chola, pandya n keralaputra.
Brilliant effort... Its so sad that the video only has 521 view as on now and 65 like... This is so much more valuable then the crass that lure millions of views and likes. Look forward to more such content.
Thank you bhai. I have little information about the ancient history of Garhwal and Kumaon. If you know about any book that I should read please mention it. Thank you. If there's any topic which you think is interesting about this region and other should know it, do mention it here. Thank you again.
Great videos man. Very much respect you sticking to the truth while being respectful to those who disagree. There is a lot of cultural reasons people might disagree but I enjoy putting it aside to see what the scientists and historians think.
Thank you. Disagreeing with somebody while still being civil is, in my view, a virtue. I respect your attitude towards this and hope others will also learn from it. Thank you again.
Interesting👌 Hope the Sangam age time frame is revised as Pre-Mauryan. Second urbanization could have started in TN along with gangetic plains. Recently excavated Porunai civilization (Pandyan kingdom) is dated to 1155BC( based on rice grain in an urn by Beta analytics, Florida). Adichanallur excavation is dated back to 850-600BC by carbon dating and Keezhadi-600BC. Also waiting for excavation reports from Porunthal, Kodumanal and marine excavation at Korkai.
Jay you mentioned that the absence of information about kingdoms in 3rd ad to 6th ad but archeologist found a grant by Pallava king of shivaskandavarman for early 4th century, beside that great video as always.
I am sorry for creating this misconception. What I meant to say was that there's little information about Kalabhras. Instead I said there's no information about the region. Thank you for pointing this out.
Well researched presentation. The important thing here is the high level of development of Tamil language and literature as evidenced by the currently available Sangam literature which were written probably between 3rd century BCE and 1st century CE. It would have taken quite a long period for the language to reach this level of development. It’s evident from archeology and Sangam literature that Buddhist and Jain monks have already arrived in Tamilnadu during the last Sangam period. They must have been preceded by North Indian traders who would have come to Tamilnadu taking a sea route along the coast. Another interesting fact is that Buddhists and Jain priests in Tamilnadu wrote their religious philosophies in Tamil. In other parts of India these texts were written in Brahmi. Post Sangam literature and Tamil epics were written by Buddhist monks and Jain monks and traders during the period between 1st century CE and 5th century CE.
It is interesting to see that kings of the Sangam period styled themselves as the king of the land between the Himalayas and the Sea. It shows that the idea of India subconsciously existed despite strong local culture. There's some evidence that says proto Tamil and IVC script might be related. Could the title of the king be considered as an indicator or is it just mere speculation?
Sir this might be out of the topic, Based on your research and knowledge can you please tell what is your stand on Aryan Invasion/Migration theory. I wouldn't have asked this touchy questions to someone else but since I know that you have the capacity of keeping away the political biases from your ideas, I asked you this question BTW Great work you are doing there, Pure Intellectualism.
Thanks bhai and please call me Jay, I am no Sir :-). About your question, I believe that there was a migration into the subcontinent around 1500 BC. Although this is an assumption based on whatever I have read as of yet. I am still reading and with new information my stand could change. But at this moment, this is what I believe. And glad you found my videos informative. I hope I have answered your question.
Hi Jay. You seem to have done this video in 2020-21. I see no reference to the excavations at Korkai, Sivakalai, Adichanallur, Keezhadi etc. Are these not established and accepted yet?
I really like your way of teaching , the way you tell about sources and opinions of other scholars and also expressing your own opinions ... Thank you so much for making such informative and enlightening vids on Indian History 🔥🔥
But chola conquered upto odisha ..called kalingam...it is true they never established kingdom beyond ganges...but there were numerous sangam poetic reference that these three kings often visited to Himalayas...the abode of shiva as these kings were pure shaivates,sangam conference was headed by Shiva himself..
Excellent narration. So precise and simple. Great that you have added every single important event , places and their history so well. 👍 Keep going & Best wishes. Your humbleness is felt when you apologized for any wrong pronunciation of Tamil names. Hats off to you 👏
@@UwUO-OUwU South Indians have an animosity towards North and East Indians. This is due to their inferiority complex even though they have a rich history much greater than North India.
WHAT. that's a new information for me even after being from one of the southernmost states in India. And I believe this statement is a stereotype that you personally have.
Maurya's invasion is mentioned in Agananooru and Purananooru poems. It happened during Chola King Ilamchetchenni's rule. There are quora answers which explain the meaning of those poems.
@@JayVardhanSingh Fistly i am Pretty overwhelmed to see that you adhere to every comment. Secondly i am a student, doing graduation In that sense i am your junior. Better to call you bhaiya i guess.🙂
The existence of large number of towns. By towns here we mean that settlements where the majority population wasn't engaged in agriculture. The towns should be numerous and we should also find evidence of large scale public works. The existence of standard weights and measures can also be included.
Hey just found this video of yours. You say that scholars write how chera or chola conquered whole of india from himalaya to kanyakumari. Im interested in knowing what term did they use for india? Was it bharat?
You are true brother. There are stories in Odisha, that during Kalingan era from 3000 years ago that merchants (Sadhabas) from Kalinga country sails through Kalinga Sagar which was also known as Mahodadhi ( present name Bay of bengal) to Srilanka and then to South East Asia as well as Maldives and to Mauritius too and also trades with Pandya country too. There is a annual celebration of Bali Jatra that marks the old tradition of voyage to Bali of Sumatra islands and that voyages happen first to Srilanka by using Canvas Boitas ( ships) using wind direction which usually happen during start of winter ( North East monsoon Winds) and after reaching the South of Srilanka they usually travells easily through Equatorial currents towards South East Asia as well as towards Maldives and Madagascar Mauritius region. This is usually trade happens depending upon panchang and muhuurats (Astrological events which helps to sail along waves which also involves direction of countries depending upon planets and stars). One request brother kindly cover one episode on the ancient merchant tradition and culture of Kalinga.
Good to know about the name, ‘Mahadadhi’ for Bay of Bengal. Here in Maharashtra the Arabian sea was called ‘Sindhu Samudra’ at least in Maratha era. It is seen on an inscription of Arnala fort north of Mumbai, after its reconquered from Portuguese. @JayVardhanSingh please include some information about these seas from Indian sources in some of your future videos.
Very informative. Anything in the Sangam literature which could suggest being a memory of the Indus civilization? In the three Sangam ages, as you mentioned, the first one was submerged in water. On the other hand, we know the Dholavira site which was submerged in water. Could there be a connection?
Thank you. I don't think so. Firstly I don't believe that there was a large scale migration of people of Indus Valley Civilization to the South. Secondly, archaeologists have found some structure underwater on the Southern shore. So it could be the case that these remains were part of settlements that submerged into the sea and later their memory survived in Tamil legends.
would like to know contribution of agastya in tamiznadu.... was agastya among the first aryans who cane down south?.. chilambam, kalari, siddha, even tamil grammer is many times associated with agastya
@@JayVardhanSingh thankyou for the replay... would love to know if south india had a real bronze age or south leapfrogged from stone age to iron age?.. if so, do you think the iron tech was introduced by aryans.. and regarding agastya.. have read that agastya came south with some yadus(yadavas) and many velirs of tamizakam are their descendenta.. vellalas, gowndars, Aays, moshika rajas etc and gowdas in karnataka etc..and that if Ramayana have any historical value, then Rama visiting agastya, as he ventured south before hand..it was a long time ago that i read these, so would be nice if you can clear these doubts of mine, if you plan to make a video later on🙏
I don't know I can answer your question but I think about the iron age, I have done talk on the second channel on it. It may be of some use to you. Here's the link ruclips.net/video/ttM4ygLr6qU/видео.html
@@deepblue3682Hinduism and various things in vedics came from tamil & peoples of ivc were tamils ...martial arts also had its origin in south & there were many possibility that there been a parallel civilization to ivc in south ..
Thank you so much for talking about Tamil kings from tamilnadu👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
This is my favourite channel. I especially like it when you explain everything so nicely.
Urbanization in south Indian comes during sangam Litt. Cen 3 BC
Vendas : chera chola pandyas
Chola. Tiger. Uraiyur, kaveripattinam or puhar
Chera: bow symbol.
Pandyas. Fish .korkai port. Pearls
In megasthanese n arthashastra mentioned.
Ashoka in 2nd Edict: mentions chola, pandya n keralaputra.
I think this part of Ancient history is toughest part of history for all ,bt u explained very easy way, thanks for this nice lecture
Brilliant effort... Its so sad that the video only has 521 view as on now and 65 like... This is so much more valuable then the crass that lure millions of views and likes. Look forward to more such content.
Thank you and I am glad you found this video informative.
About time a video about our Tamil history. Fantastic video Jay bhai. Please make a video on Uttarakhand history, Kumaoni and Garhwali.
Thank you bhai. I have little information about the ancient history of Garhwal and Kumaon. If you know about any book that I should read please mention it. Thank you.
If there's any topic which you think is interesting about this region and other should know it, do mention it here. Thank you again.
@@JayVardhanSingh History of Kumaun by Badri Datt Pande, Volume I and II
English translation by C M Aggarwal
Great videos man. Very much respect you sticking to the truth while being respectful to those who disagree. There is a lot of cultural reasons people might disagree but I enjoy putting it aside to see what the scientists and historians think.
Thank you. Disagreeing with somebody while still being civil is, in my view, a virtue. I respect your attitude towards this and hope others will also learn from it. Thank you again.
Urbanization firt in indus velley 600 BC ...DEEP SAHGAM ERA.. CHERA ..PANDYA . CHOLA AMLAM TIGER .....POHAR ...KRIKAL COHA ..CHERE ..BOW CHERA / KERAA ......KAROR ......KAMYA TO HIMMILA .......
Interesting👌 Hope the Sangam age time frame is revised as Pre-Mauryan. Second urbanization could have started in TN along with gangetic plains. Recently excavated Porunai civilization (Pandyan kingdom) is dated to 1155BC( based on rice grain in an urn by Beta analytics, Florida). Adichanallur excavation is dated back to 850-600BC by carbon dating and Keezhadi-600BC. Also waiting for excavation reports from Porunthal, Kodumanal and marine excavation at Korkai.
2 years still
Urbanization based cities building structure
Finally an Indian historian in RUclips who uses facts and not made up stories like that so called historian abhijit chavda
Lol, I have heard his speech 😂
Yeah, I don't like how he exaggerates certain things to make it more biased towards Indians, saying this as an Indian.
Cause Jay is an actual historian and not like that Abhijit, Abhijit presents his opinions as history more than facts.
No mention of Keeladi excavations!!!
I wasn't able to find any academic papers on Keeladi excavation. If you've are aware of any academic paper please mention it.
Jay you mentioned that the absence of information about kingdoms in 3rd ad to 6th ad but archeologist found a grant by Pallava king of shivaskandavarman for early 4th century, beside that great video as always.
I am sorry for creating this misconception. What I meant to say was that there's little information about Kalabhras. Instead I said there's no information about the region. Thank you for pointing this out.
Well researched presentation. The important thing here is the high level of development of Tamil language and literature as evidenced by the currently available Sangam literature which were written probably between 3rd century BCE and 1st century CE. It would have taken quite a long period for the language to reach this level of development. It’s evident from archeology and Sangam literature that Buddhist and Jain monks have already arrived in Tamilnadu during the last Sangam period. They must have been preceded by North Indian traders who would have come to Tamilnadu taking a sea route along the coast.
Another interesting fact is that Buddhists and Jain priests in Tamilnadu wrote their religious philosophies in Tamil. In other parts of India these texts were written in Brahmi. Post Sangam literature and Tamil epics were written by Buddhist monks and Jain monks and traders during the period between 1st century CE and 5th century CE.
It is interesting to see that kings of the Sangam period styled themselves as the king of the land between the Himalayas and the Sea. It shows that the idea of India subconsciously existed despite strong local culture.
There's some evidence that says proto Tamil and IVC script might be related. Could the title of the king be considered as an indicator or is it just mere speculation?
IVC script hasn't been deciphered yet. So it would be a speculation.
Sir this might be out of the topic, Based on your research and knowledge can you please tell what is your stand on Aryan Invasion/Migration theory.
I wouldn't have asked this touchy questions to someone else but since I know that you have the capacity of keeping away the political biases from your ideas, I asked you this question
BTW Great work you are doing there, Pure Intellectualism.
Thanks bhai and please call me Jay, I am no Sir :-).
About your question, I believe that there was a migration into the subcontinent around 1500 BC. Although this is an assumption based on whatever I have read as of yet. I am still reading and with new information my stand could change. But at this moment, this is what I believe.
And glad you found my videos informative. I hope I have answered your question.
Sir.
Are pandya state has some link pandu tride of mahabarta
It is ironic , u consider.Mahabharat as part of history but not Sangam, either they both were or weren't !!
Hi Jay. You seem to have done this video in 2020-21. I see no reference to the excavations at Korkai, Sivakalai, Adichanallur, Keezhadi etc. Are these not established and accepted yet?
I really like your way of teaching , the way you tell about sources and opinions of other scholars and also expressing your own opinions ... Thank you so much for making such informative and enlightening vids on Indian History 🔥🔥
Thanks and welcome
But chola conquered upto odisha ..called kalingam...it is true they never established kingdom beyond ganges...but there were numerous sangam poetic reference that these three kings often visited to Himalayas...the abode of shiva as these kings were pure shaivates,sangam conference was headed by Shiva himself..
Appreciate your works .
waiting for this channel to blow up. Best wishes 👍
Thank you so much Bhai
Excellent narration. So precise and simple. Great that you have added every single important event , places and their history so well. 👍 Keep going & Best wishes. Your humbleness is felt when you apologized for any wrong pronunciation of Tamil names. Hats off to you 👏
Thanks for the kind words. Glad you liked the video.
Great video🎥 but improve lot delivering skill
Korkai...pandya
Fish.
Very informative. Thanks Jay. Please continue the work.
Thanks
Pl don't say Tamilagam. Pl spell correctly. Tamizagam
So jealous of south indian. In here Gujarat all we see is desert and heat.
Make a video explaining the results of excavations of ancient sites in South India..
Thank you for covering Southern history.. its the least known of Indian history.
Great content as usual.
Thank you. I am glad you found this video informative.
I think in terms of modern India. NE is the least known/studied
@@UwUO-OUwU South Indians have an animosity towards North and East Indians. This is due to their inferiority complex even though they have a rich history much greater than North India.
WHAT. that's a new information for me even after being from one of the southernmost states in India. And I believe this statement is a stereotype that you personally have.
@@UwUO-OUwU that's my opinion. I forgot to write it. This is what i have personally experience
Somehow, the expression ""Deep South" also brings to mind a common southern phrase "Remote North"😅
an apt phrase
Thank you again for a great presentation, on India 's history.
Glad you found it useful.
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I have heard about some wars between tamils and mauryans but don't know if it's true or not
yes, there're some Sangam poem that talk about the "Moriyas". But there's no direct mention of war.
Maurya's invasion is mentioned in Agananooru and Purananooru poems. It happened during Chola King Ilamchetchenni's rule. There are quora answers which explain the meaning of those poems.
But didn't we already excavated keeladi and few other sites?? I think we need more reports to get fixed date
Good naration keep it up
I expected Mahabharat in comments.😞😞
Why?
Pls make more videos about Ancient South India, it really helps understand Indian Civilization as a wholem
Yes, will soon do cover Southern Indian history as well.
Every single second of this video seems extremely important... Exact point to point explaination in an easy way..
Thank you sir
You're most welcome and please call me Jay, I am no Sir.
@@JayVardhanSingh
Fistly i am Pretty overwhelmed to see that you adhere to every comment.
Secondly i am a student, doing graduation
In that sense i am your junior.
Better to call you bhaiya i guess.🙂
Yes that would be great. Thank you
Hi Jay! Want to know how history defines urbanization between two different periods, for instance Indus valley Civilization and Sangam Age.
The existence of large number of towns. By towns here we mean that settlements where the majority population wasn't engaged in agriculture. The towns should be numerous and we should also find evidence of large scale public works. The existence of standard weights and measures can also be included.
Again Great Video Brother 🙌
Can you please make a video on emergence of Rajput Kingdoms 🙂.
Thank you bhai, I've planned to do video on various Rajput kingdom in future.
Keezhadi is left out
Your way of explaining with simple words is just amazing...👏👏
Thank you so much
I urge you to read Gananath Obeysekere's 1972 article about Gajabahu synchronism and his analysis about Karikala Chola
I respect u r explanation...
thank you
Hey just found this video of yours.
You say that scholars write how chera or chola conquered whole of india from himalaya to kanyakumari. Im interested in knowing what term did they use for india? Was it bharat?
thanks a lot for making this video
It's my pleasure
Was looking for history related to southern India.
Very well explained. 😊👍
Very good presentation
Thanks a lot
thank you for sharing this with me!
We are dravidians our language is Tamil
Ok
Yes filthy lemurians
yes, please remain dravidians, many thanks.
2:42 not वेंडर् (vendar). The correct pronunciation is वेंदर् (vendhar). Vendhar means Kings.
5:55 इमयवरंबन् नॆडुञ्चेरलादन्
Noted, thank you
I really love your content, please make video series on arab invasion of india, because most of the video on this topic in RUclips are really biased.
Thank you for your suggestion. I will certainly do videos on this topic.
Then Why isn't Keral Tamil today ???
It developed its own language around 6th ad
Why is English not northgermanic language today ?
You are true brother. There are stories in Odisha, that during Kalingan era from 3000 years ago that merchants (Sadhabas) from Kalinga country sails through Kalinga Sagar which was also known as Mahodadhi ( present name Bay of bengal) to Srilanka and then to South East Asia as well as Maldives and to Mauritius too and also trades with Pandya country too. There is a annual celebration of Bali Jatra that marks the old tradition of voyage to Bali of Sumatra islands and that voyages happen first to Srilanka by using Canvas Boitas ( ships) using wind direction which usually happen during start of winter ( North East monsoon Winds) and after reaching the South of Srilanka they usually travells easily through Equatorial currents towards South East Asia as well as towards Maldives and Madagascar Mauritius region. This is usually trade happens depending upon panchang and muhuurats (Astrological events which helps to sail along waves which also involves direction of countries depending upon planets and stars). One request brother kindly cover one episode on the ancient merchant tradition and culture of Kalinga.
Thanks for your suggestion. I'll certainly do a video on the ancient merchant tradition.
Good to know about the name, ‘Mahadadhi’ for Bay of Bengal. Here in Maharashtra the Arabian sea was called ‘Sindhu Samudra’ at least in Maratha era. It is seen on an inscription of Arnala fort north of Mumbai, after its reconquered from Portuguese. @JayVardhanSingh please include some information about these seas from Indian sources in some of your future videos.
Great video! And thanks for the references.
Glad it was helpful!
Do you only make ancient history videos ?
No, I am just moving forward chronologically. I will cover medieval and modern Indian history as well.
Thanks for response.
but I think you forgot arab traders in the chera kingdom who also brought islam with them
Islam in bce?
@@Lmao69in 7th & 8th century itself came to kerala ..
I've had this confusion for quite sometime but is the dynasty of Travancore a branch of the Chera dynasty or a different dynasty?
They are a different dynasty who claimed to be the descendants of Cheras.
Cheras are long gone.....
@@deveshsonam no....I know for a fact that Kulasekharas of Kerala are direct descendents of Cheras.
@@deveshsonam no
man u should make videos in hindi also
your content is too good
Will certainly start a Hindi channel in future. Thank you for your suggestion
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in the deep south, how did they know about the himalayas ?
Maybe people who travelled to North for trade or people who came from north to trade told them
Becoz of Saints, Brahmins, Monks
@@Agnostic7773 Why'd you leave out the Mullahs ?
Very informative. Anything in the Sangam literature which could suggest being a memory of the Indus civilization? In the three Sangam ages, as you mentioned, the first one was submerged in water. On the other hand, we know the Dholavira site which was submerged in water. Could there be a connection?
Thank you.
I don't think so. Firstly I don't believe that there was a large scale migration of people of Indus Valley Civilization to the South. Secondly, archaeologists have found some structure underwater on the Southern shore. So it could be the case that these remains were part of settlements that submerged into the sea and later their memory survived in Tamil legends.
Read book on migrational study of place names, "The journey of Civilization from Indus to Vaigai" by Balakrishnan IAS.
we need knowledge not some dumb stupid dravidian fantasy lol@@pravinraj7152
would like to know contribution of agastya in tamiznadu.... was agastya among the first aryans who cane down south?.. chilambam, kalari, siddha, even tamil grammer is many times associated with agastya
Will try to make a video on it. I know only some basic facts about this topic. Will try to learn more.
@@JayVardhanSingh thankyou for the replay... would love to know if south india had a real bronze age or south leapfrogged from stone age to iron age?.. if so, do you think the iron tech was introduced by aryans.. and regarding agastya.. have read that agastya came south with some yadus(yadavas) and many velirs of tamizakam are their descendenta.. vellalas, gowndars, Aays, moshika rajas etc and gowdas in karnataka etc..and that if Ramayana have any historical value, then Rama visiting agastya, as he ventured south before hand..it was a long time ago that i read these, so would be nice if you can clear these doubts of mine, if you plan to make a video later on🙏
I don't know I can answer your question but I think about the iron age, I have done talk on the second channel on it. It may be of some use to you. Here's the link
ruclips.net/video/ttM4ygLr6qU/видео.html
@@JayVardhanSingh thankyou🙏🙏
@@deepblue3682Hinduism and various things in vedics came from tamil & peoples of ivc were tamils ...martial arts also had its origin in south & there were many possibility that there been a parallel civilization to ivc in south ..